So i know RLC is like marmite, i have been vocal about how i just didnt rate him however he has improved playing in the lines.
After seeing all the love RLC gets from the media i thought to myself maybe i am losing my mind, am i missing something ? why is he rated so highly ? So i thought i would look at his data from his time in the premier league.
Games played - 98
Goals - 10
Assists - 6
Big chances created - 9
Shooting accuracy - 27%
Cross accuracy - 28%
Looking at the data, i am even more perplexed as on paper his stats are terrible. Now, it isn't his fault the media hypes him up and it isn't his fault he gets paid a huge salary of 120,000 GBP a week. Good on the lad !
However i do not see how Tony looked at these stats with his team and thought it would be a good deal? Is everyone living off what RLC used to be? he used to be great in the youth set up at chelsea and i always thought he had a bright future ahead of him however i think the ship has massively sailed.
Am i being too harsh ?
Well those stats still make him a lot more prolific than Anguissa and yet most of us think he's a £30-40m player, so clearly they don't tell the whole story.
For me, no he he isn't great but he's the PL equivalent of Ayite or Piazon. Nothing outstanding but enough skill and passing quality to keep moves ticking over, occasionally give his marker the slip and create a bit of space. I don't think he'll ever start regularly for a top 6 team, the media and the player himself need to get that nonsense out their heads, but with the lack of attacking options in our team and Cairney's absence, I can see why Parker picks him. Albeit personally I'd like to see a front 3 of Lookman - Mitrovic - Maja.
Quote from: Statto on March 02, 2021, 12:40:43 PM
Well those stats still make him a lot more prolific than Anguissa and yet most of us think he's a £30-40m player, so clearly they don't tell the whole story.
For me, no he he isn't great but he's the PL equivalent of Ayite or Piazon. Nothing outstanding but enough skill and passing quality to keep moves ticking over, occasionally give his marker the slip and create a bit of space. I don't think he'll ever start regularly for a top 6 team, the media and the player himself need to get that nonsense out their heads, but with the lack of attacking options in our team and Cairney's absence, I can see why Parker picks him. Albeit personally I'd like to see a front 3 of Lookman - Mitrovic - Maja.
hmmm but Anguissa is a CDM whereas RLC is a CAM no ? or if not CAM then an attacker, whereas that has never been franks game, he is a defensive player. unfair to put the against eachother.
I do agree with your front three, i would even try putting lookman at CAM and having cav playing on his side. We need something to spice up our attack as right now its pretty dire
Quote from: Statto on March 02, 2021, 12:40:43 PM
Well those stats still make him a lot more prolific than Anguissa and yet most of us think he's a £30-40m player, so clearly they don't tell the whole story.
For me, no he he isn't great but he's the PL equivalent of Ayite or Piazon. Nothing outstanding but enough skill and passing quality to keep moves ticking over, occasionally give his marker the slip and create a bit of space. I don't think he'll ever start regularly for a top 6 team, the media and the player himself need to get that nonsense out their heads, but with the lack of attacking options in our team and Cairney's absence, I can see why Parker picks him. Albeit personally I'd like to see a front 3 of Lookman - Mitrovic - Maja.
Anguissa effects a game. He breaks up play, makes powerfiul runs, stays on his feet and passes well, although was less than his best against Palace. This is this season's anguissa who I think has been generally outstanding compared with the first time when he was awful. And yet the same people that defended frank then seem to be defending RLC now.
I am happy to say Anguissa is surely doing the business now, love him. But I didn;'t before and was worried his return might be a bad thing.
RLC? if he produces the goods I will be thrilled, he hasn't yet he has been generally a waste of space. He is improving but that doiesn't say much. The media love him but so what? They live in a bubble with their mates and some players seem to live charmed lives and others cannot get a look in.
RLC has not been good for uys and I only want what is in our best interests.
Surprised at how poor those stats are ,I really had it in mind that he was a top player but I realize I had been influenced by the media and a couple of good games I saw him play for England.
However I think he is close to doing a good job for us and am hopeful that he could choose the Spurs match to give us a game turning performance.
Without wishing to sound patronising, you don't really think they're the sort of stats that are looked at when purchasing/loaning a player?
They're way more in depth, pages and pages of data that we don't even begin to think about.
Also, his shooting accuracy is pretty good overall, 28% is ok and I don't think he's been anywhere near that this season.
Quote from: Jim© on March 02, 2021, 05:19:40 PM
Without wishing to sound patronising, you don't really think they're the sort of stats that are looked at when purchasing/loaning a player?
They're way more in depth, pages and pages of data that we don't even begin to think about.
Also, his shooting accuracy is pretty good overall, 28% is ok and I don't think he's been anywhere near that this season.
of course not, but they will of course be stats they will see. 6 assists for an attacker in 98 games is poor no matter how you analyze it lol
Quote from: Sammyffc on March 02, 2021, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 02, 2021, 12:40:43 PM
Well those stats still make him a lot more prolific than Anguissa and yet most of us think he's a £30-40m player, so clearly they don't tell the whole story.
For me, no he he isn't great but he's the PL equivalent of Ayite or Piazon. Nothing outstanding but enough skill and passing quality to keep moves ticking over, occasionally give his marker the slip and create a bit of space. I don't think he'll ever start regularly for a top 6 team, the media and the player himself need to get that nonsense out their heads, but with the lack of attacking options in our team and Cairney's absence, I can see why Parker picks him. Albeit personally I'd like to see a front 3 of Lookman - Mitrovic - Maja.
hmmm but Anguissa is a CDM whereas RLC is a CAM no ? or if not CAM then an attacker, whereas that has never been franks game, he is a defensive player. unfair to put the against eachother.
I do agree with your front three, i would even try putting lookman at CAM and having cav playing on his side. We need something to spice up our attack as right now its pretty dire
I agree they're different players but I wouldn't call Anguissa a CDM. I'd call someone like Reed a CDM and he plays a much deeper role, allowing Anguissa to roam forward. RLC plays an even more advanced role than Anguissa, admittedly, but I don't think either of them should really be judged on their goal scoring.
To give another example, at PL level Cairney (definitely a CAM) has 3 goals and 2 assists from 52 appearances which again is significantly worse than RLC.
Quote from: Sammyffc on March 02, 2021, 12:28:02 PM
So i know RLC is like marmite, i have been vocal about how i just didnt rate him however he has improved playing in the lines.
After seeing all the love RLC gets from the media i thought to myself maybe i am losing my mind, am i missing something ? why is he rated so highly ? So i thought i would look at his data from his time in the premier league.
Games played - 98
Goals - 10
Assists - 6
Big chances created - 9
Shooting accuracy - 27%
Cross accuracy - 28%
Looking at the data, i am even more perplexed as on paper his stats are terrible. Now, it isn't his fault the media hypes him up and it isn't his fault he gets paid a huge salary of 120,000 GBP a week. Good on the lad !
However i do not see how Tony looked at these stats with his team and thought it would be a good deal? Is everyone living off what RLC used to be? he used to be great in the youth set up at chelsea and i always thought he had a bright future ahead of him however i think the ship has massively sailed.
Am i being too harsh ?
No your not, Tom Cairney is a much better player
Love Tom Cairney ,but he has never established himself as a Pl player,so not really sure how you can claim that.
I don't think you're being too harsh. His acquisition is a head scratcher. His consistent playing time given him by his coach is a head scratcher. Fans allowing him all this time and field play to 'eventually' become 'good' is a head scratcher. As a FFC fan and wanting to see all FFC players succeed, I do wait for RLC to provide reason to cheer for him. Not holding my breath, sadly.....
So most players at this level have something they are great at. It's that what makes them a true Premier league elite level footballer.
I keep watching the guy and still don't know what his "very good" thing is.
Bang average at everything and not great at anything in my view.
Hopefully he will prove me wrong.
He is what I expected him to be when we got him from Chelsea. The difference being, he's impacting games (in a small way) now unlike he was in his first 5 games.
He's not an amazing attacking threat.
He's a strong, quick (not fast) footballer whose good with the ball at his feet. A box to box maybe?
Quote from: perry geyton on March 02, 2021, 09:57:38 PM
Quote from: Sammyffc on March 02, 2021, 12:28:02 PM
So i know RLC is like marmite, i have been vocal about how i just didnt rate him however he has improved playing in the lines.
After seeing all the love RLC gets from the media i thought to myself maybe i am losing my mind, am i missing something ? why is he rated so highly ? So i thought i would look at his data from his time in the premier league.
Games played - 98
Goals - 10
Assists - 6
Big chances created - 9
Shooting accuracy - 27%
Cross accuracy - 28%
Looking at the data, i am even more perplexed as on paper his stats are terrible. Now, it isn't his fault the media hypes him up and it isn't his fault he gets paid a huge salary of 120,000 GBP a week. Good on the lad !
However i do not see how Tony looked at these stats with his team and thought it would be a good deal? Is everyone living off what RLC used to be? he used to be great in the youth set up at chelsea and i always thought he had a bright future ahead of him however i think the ship has massively sailed.
Am i being too harsh ?
No your not, Tom Cairney is a much better player
Anguissa playing #8 and RLC playing #10 are great (not just good) defensively in their respective positions. Frankly, Tom Cairney is not even average defensively as a premier league midfielder.
No doubt Tom Cairney is most creative central midfielder in the squad, but I wouldn't start him against Spurs, Liverpool or City as a keeping three clean sheet with zero creativity would be a massive success and if achieved would probably lead to us staying up (needing 9-12 points in last nine games).
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 03, 2021, 11:22:14 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on March 02, 2021, 09:57:38 PM
Quote from: Sammyffc on March 02, 2021, 12:28:02 PM
So i know RLC is like marmite, i have been vocal about how i just didnt rate him however he has improved playing in the lines.
After seeing all the love RLC gets from the media i thought to myself maybe i am losing my mind, am i missing something ? why is he rated so highly ? So i thought i would look at his data from his time in the premier league.
Games played - 98
Goals - 10
Assists - 6
Big chances created - 9
Shooting accuracy - 27%
Cross accuracy - 28%
Looking at the data, i am even more perplexed as on paper his stats are terrible. Now, it isn't his fault the media hypes him up and it isn't his fault he gets paid a huge salary of 120,000 GBP a week. Good on the lad !
However i do not see how Tony looked at these stats with his team and thought it would be a good deal? Is everyone living off what RLC used to be? he used to be great in the youth set up at chelsea and i always thought he had a bright future ahead of him however i think the ship has massively sailed.
Am i being too harsh ?
No your not, Tom Cairney is a much better player
Anguissa playing #8 and RLC playing #10 are great (not just good) defensively in their respective positions. Frankly, Tom Cairney is not even average defensively as a premier league midfielder.
No doubt Tom Cairney is most creative central midfielder in the squad, but I wouldn't start him against Spurs, Liverpool or City as a keeping three clean sheet with zero creativity would be a massive success and if achieved would probably lead to us staying up (needing 9-12 points in last nine games).
2 years ago, Fulham were slow, weak, and completely unable to physically compete at the Premier League level. You are spot on about RLC. He can physically hold the ball, release pressure, and provides a presence that helps the team defend from the front in a way they would otherwise be unable to do. I would like to see more from him in the final 3rd, but he is one of the changes to the roster which has added to the team's defensive sturdiness.