Whens he back? Seems to be taking forever
Next season.
An in form Cairney has been what is missing all season. Pick a pass and score a few goals. Like other Fulham players of the past we could be confined to living with what he was and how much he meant to the team.
Unfortunately he is not quite premiership quality
Tom Cairneys strength is that he lets the ball do the work, and scores his fair share of goals also. He has vision and knows where and who he is going to pass the ball to even before he receives it.
Let us not write him off just yet, and let us be honest we cannot afford to.
He is going nowhere this season Mr Woolly
His knee is knackered, at this rate I wouldn't risk him again this season and give him time to get fit for whatever division we're in next season. He's had two or three injections into his knee so clearly something is fairly badly wrong, if we go down then we're going to rely on him heavily so would rather we wrapped him in cotton wool so that he's fit and firing to go next year
Quote from: blingo on April 05, 2021, 01:11:42 PM
Unfortunately he is not quite premiership quality
Ok but RLC is right ?
Comical
Quote from: Deeping_white on April 05, 2021, 02:22:55 PM
His knee is knackered, at this rate I wouldn't risk him again this season and give him time to get fit for whatever division we're in next season. He's had two or three injections into his knee so clearly something is fairly badly wrong, if we go down then we're going to rely on him heavily so would rather we wrapped him in cotton wool so that he's fit and firing to go next year
When was the last time he was fit enough to play 40 games or more in a season ?
Next to no chance of that happening next season.
Funny how you become a better player when your not playing or injured.
I have written it before, but it is sad that Cairney's history of knee injury problems has hampered his career, and I doubt he will ever be fully fit for an extended period. I think he is Premier League quality, with the ability to make a defence splitting pass unmatched by most of his peers. He retains possession well, and chips in with some spectacular goals from outside the penalty area. His weakness is obviously pace, but (resorting to footballing cliches), he is worth his place as the "play maker" with someone else in midfield (e.g Reed) as the "water carrier". Cairney can be for us what Pirlo was for Italy in his mid thirties, if only his knee holds up.
Quote from: AJW48361 on April 05, 2021, 10:36:09 PM
Funny how you become a better player when your not playing or injured.
He was always one of our best players. Nothing's changed.
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Quote from: Twig on April 06, 2021, 09:44:19 AM
Quote from: AJW48361 on April 05, 2021, 10:36:09 PM
Funny how you become a better player when your not playing or injured.
He was always one of our best players. Nothing's changed.
Yes - still one our best players on his day. We need him - but looking more likely he is going to need a knee op.
Some people don't seem to realise that Cairney has probably played a number of games when he has not been fully fit - mainly due to the aforementioned knee problem...
This is what he wrote on his twitter feed last week:
"Last one Syringe then hopefully back doing what I love Crossed fingers." So let's not give up on our captain and playmaker just yet.
IMO, he can and will make a positive difference in any games he plays for us this season, totally different type of player to those that are currently being fielded.
Good Luck Tom, hope you're back soon!
Quote from: Riversider on April 05, 2021, 05:08:46 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on April 05, 2021, 02:22:55 PM
His knee is knackered, at this rate I wouldn't risk him again this season and give him time to get fit for whatever division we're in next season. He's had two or three injections into his knee so clearly something is fairly badly wrong, if we go down then we're going to rely on him heavily so would rather we wrapped him in cotton wool so that he's fit and firing to go next year
When was the last time he was fit enough to play 40 games or more in a season ?
Next to no chance of that happening next season.
With all due respect, this is utter rubbish.
He's played 30+ games in the league in 6 out of he last 8 seasons including this season. In fact for Fulham he's only failed to make 30 appearances once.
Hardly any player will play 40+ league games. That's a totally unrealistic benchmark.
In the last 5 years, only 9 Fulham players have made 40+ appearances for Fulham in a season. And only 2 have made 40+ appearances more than once. Tim Ream and Kevin McDonald.
And yes, Tom Cairney is 1 of the 9 players to record 40+ appearances.
If ever we need a player like Tom it is now. Invention, good precise passing, and that unknown quality of being able to find space and exploit it.
We have no one else who can do that.
He also chips in with some goals...like winning the play offs for example.
We really need him back ( I can't really judge our forwards as they get no service or decent crosses ) . Tom is our only midfielder who can make a truly creative pass and also has a decent shot on him. He is effective RLC isn't
The Cairney being described here is the one who Slav surrounded with players to enable him to play. Stefjo and Kmac did the dirty work for him, Fredericks and Ayite used to make loads of room for him. If he has time and is not pressured he can find a pass, but we are no longer set up to give him the time he needs, he does not make space for himself, and the vast majority of his passes are sideways or backwards. I truly believe that his only good time was under Slav because we were set up for him to shine, that is no longer the case.
Cairney has been a class player for us over recent years and would be a useful option to have available in this long goal drought
From what we know it looks unlikely that we are going to see him playing again this season and we have no doubt seen the best of him if not the last of him.
Not much good news about at the moment.
Tom said in an interview a few weeks ago that what he really would like is a mid table season without the pressure of promotion or relegation. There's ambition for you!
Quote from: perry geyton on April 05, 2021, 05:04:53 PM
Quote from: blingo on April 05, 2021, 01:11:42 PM
Unfortunately he is not quite premiership quality
Ok but RLC is right ?
Comical
Whether or not RLC is prem quality or not has nothing to do with TC . You really need to lose your mistaken obsession with TC.
Harrison and Zambo are capable of giving Tom the space to create
Quote from: blingo on April 06, 2021, 06:50:31 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on April 05, 2021, 05:04:53 PM
Quote from: blingo on April 05, 2021, 01:11:42 PM
Unfortunately he is not quite premiership quality
Ok but RLC is right ?
Comical
Whether or not RLC is prem quality or not has nothing to do with TC . You really need to lose your mistaken obsession with TC.
Whether or not perry geyton is obsessed with TC or not has nothing to do with TC being prem quality. You really need to lose your mistaken obsession with TC's ability.
Quote from: bobby01 on April 06, 2021, 03:29:42 PM
The Cairney being described here is the one who Slav surrounded with players to enable him to play. Stefjo and Kmac did the dirty work for him, Fredericks and Ayite used to make loads of room for him. If he has time and is not pressured he can find a pass, but we are no longer set up to give him the time he needs, he does not make space for himself, and the vast majority of his passes are sideways or backwards. I truly believe that his only good time was under Slav because we were set up for him to shine, that is no longer the case.
With due respect this is nonsense. Are you really suggesting that our current crop of midfielders are weaker than KMac, StefJo, Ayite and Fred? As to "the vast majority of his passes are sideways and backwards", well I can only wonder whether you ever checked his stats?
Quote from: simplyfulham on April 06, 2021, 07:18:30 PM
Quote from: blingo on April 06, 2021, 06:50:31 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on April 05, 2021, 05:04:53 PM
Quote from: blingo on April 05, 2021, 01:11:42 PM
Unfortunately he is not quite premiership quality
Ok but RLC is right ?
Comical
Whether or not RLC is prem quality or not has nothing to do with TC . You really need to lose your mistaken obsession with TC.
Whether or not perry geyton is obsessed with TC or not has nothing to do with TC being prem quality. You really need to lose your mistaken obsession with TC's ability.
So where exactly have his talents shone through in the premiership?
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Cairney is a fantastic footballer and is arguably the biggest club legend we've had in the last 4-5 years.
Quote from: Simply91 on April 06, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Cairney is a fantastic footballer and is arguably the biggest club legend we've had in the last 4-5 years.
He certainly doesn't fit legend status
Quote from: blingo on April 06, 2021, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Simply91 on April 06, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Cairney is a fantastic footballer and is arguably the biggest club legend we've had in the last 4-5 years.
He certainly doesn't fit legend status
I think you'll find that most fans would consider him to be the greatest legend the club has ever known.
Quote from: simplyfulham on April 07, 2021, 12:12:54 AM
Quote from: blingo on April 06, 2021, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Simply91 on April 06, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Cairney is a fantastic footballer and is arguably the biggest club legend we've had in the last 4-5 years.
He certainly doesn't fit legend status
I think you'll find that most fans would consider him to be the greatest legend the club has ever known.
Either you are a WUM or you are totally deluded. He can't hold a candle to the likes of Haynes, Cohen, Malbranque, Saha, Dempsey, Mc Bride, Dembele, and a whole host of others
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Absolutely but they've all got their blinkers on for the RLC love club,,,,
Quote from: blingo on April 06, 2021, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Simply91 on April 06, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Cairney is a fantastic footballer and is arguably the biggest club legend we've had in the last 4-5 years.
He certainly doesn't fit legend status
Quote from: perry geyton on April 07, 2021, 05:27:16 AM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Absolutely but they've all got their blinkers on for the RLC love club,,,,
Quote from: perry geyton on April 07, 2021, 05:27:16 AM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Absolutely but they've all got their blinkers on for the RLC love club,,,,
Quote from: blingo on April 07, 2021, 12:16:30 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on April 07, 2021, 12:12:54 AM
Quote from: blingo on April 06, 2021, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Simply91 on April 06, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Cairney is a fantastic footballer and is arguably the biggest club legend we've had in the last 4-5 years.
He certainly doesn't fit legend status
I think you'll find that most fans would consider him to be the greatest legend the club has ever known.
Either you are a WUM or you are totally deluded. He can't hold a candle to the likes of Haynes, Cohen, Malbranque, Saha, Dempsey, Mc Bride, Dembele, and a whole host of others
Absolutely on par with Dembele, similar type of player and Cairneys far more effective regarding scoring goals
Quote from: perry geyton on April 07, 2021, 05:37:05 AM
Quote from: blingo on April 06, 2021, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Simply91 on April 06, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Cairney is a fantastic footballer and is arguably the biggest club legend we've had in the last 4-5 years.
He certainly doesn't fit legend status
Quote from: perry geyton on April 07, 2021, 05:27:16 AM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Absolutely but they've all got their blinkers on for the RLC love club,,,,
Quote from: perry geyton on April 07, 2021, 05:27:16 AM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Absolutely but they've all got their blinkers on for the RLC love club,,,,
Quote from: blingo on April 07, 2021, 12:16:30 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on April 07, 2021, 12:12:54 AM
Quote from: blingo on April 06, 2021, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Simply91 on April 06, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Cairney is a fantastic footballer and is arguably the biggest club legend we've had in the last 4-5 years.
He certainly doesn't fit legend status
I think you'll find that most fans would consider him to be the greatest legend the club has ever known.
Either you are a WUM or you are totally deluded. He can't hold a candle to the likes of Haynes, Cohen, Malbranque, Saha, Dempsey, Mc Bride, Dembele, and a whole host of others
Absolutely on par with Dembele, similar type of player and Cairneys far more effective regarding scoring goals
Sorry to burst your bubble, but he's not fit to lace Dembeles boots
Quote from: blingo on April 07, 2021, 09:02:30 AM
Quote from: perry geyton on April 07, 2021, 05:37:05 AM
Quote from: blingo on April 06, 2021, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Simply91 on April 06, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Cairney is a fantastic footballer and is arguably the biggest club legend we've had in the last 4-5 years.
He certainly doesn't fit legend status
Quote from: perry geyton on April 07, 2021, 05:27:16 AM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Absolutely but they've all got their blinkers on for the RLC love club,,,,
Quote from: perry geyton on April 07, 2021, 05:27:16 AM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Absolutely but they've all got their blinkers on for the RLC love club,,,,
Quote from: blingo on April 07, 2021, 12:16:30 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on April 07, 2021, 12:12:54 AM
Quote from: blingo on April 06, 2021, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Simply91 on April 06, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Cairney is a fantastic footballer and is arguably the biggest club legend we've had in the last 4-5 years.
He certainly doesn't fit legend status
I think you'll find that most fans would consider him to be the greatest legend the club has ever known.
Either you are a WUM or you are totally deluded. He can't hold a candle to the likes of Haynes, Cohen, Malbranque, Saha, Dempsey, Mc Bride, Dembele, and a whole host of others
Absolutely on par with Dembele, similar type of player and Cairneys far more effective regarding scoring goals
Sorry to burst your bubble, but he's not fit to lace Dembeles boots
Blingo, I realise you will never agree with the majority who regard TC highly. However what I don't understand is why you can't simply enjoy the fact that this is something positive for most of us. Understandably there is so much negativity on this forum right now, so when there is something or someone that brings a bit of positivity surely even you can appreciate that is better than endless gloom? In that context can you not see that comments like "not fit to lace Dembele's boots" are just crass?
Tom Cairney you can compare with our great midfielders and say he is not up that standard but I think you don't realise what is missing, until he is not there.
Quote from: Twig on April 07, 2021, 09:17:15 AM
Quote from: blingo on April 07, 2021, 09:02:30 AM
Quote from: perry geyton on April 07, 2021, 05:37:05 AM
Quote from: blingo on April 06, 2021, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Simply91 on April 06, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Cairney is a fantastic footballer and is arguably the biggest club legend we've had in the last 4-5 years.
He certainly doesn't fit legend status
Quote from: perry geyton on April 07, 2021, 05:27:16 AM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Absolutely but they've all got their blinkers on for the RLC love club,,,,
Quote from: perry geyton on April 07, 2021, 05:27:16 AM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Absolutely but they've all got their blinkers on for the RLC love club,,,,
Quote from: blingo on April 07, 2021, 12:16:30 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on April 07, 2021, 12:12:54 AM
Quote from: blingo on April 06, 2021, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Simply91 on April 06, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Cairney is a fantastic footballer and is arguably the biggest club legend we've had in the last 4-5 years.
He certainly doesn't fit legend status
I think you'll find that most fans would consider him to be the greatest legend the club has ever known.
Either you are a WUM or you are totally deluded. He can't hold a candle to the likes of Haynes, Cohen, Malbranque, Saha, Dempsey, Mc Bride, Dembele, and a whole host of others
Absolutely on par with Dembele, similar type of player and Cairneys far more effective regarding scoring goals
Sorry to burst your bubble, but he's not fit to lace Dembeles boots
Blingo, I realise you will never agree with the majority who regard TC highly. However what I don't understand is why you can't simply enjoy the fact that this is something positive for most of us. Understandably there is so much negativity on this forum right now, so when there is something or someone that brings a bit of positivity surely even you can appreciate that is better than endless gloom? In that context can you not see that comments like "not fit to lace Dembele's boots" are just crass?
Mr Twig, Dembele is quite probably one of the best if not the best midfielder ever to pull on a Fulham shirt and has proved himself at premiership level, whereas TC has not. I have absolutely nothing against TC, but, to claim he is a "legend" is nowhere near correct. He's performed and well at championship level, but what has he achieved apart from that? Truth is not much. I'd love to see him come onto the pitch and prove me completely wrong, but I don't think he is quite up to prem level.
Quote from: blingo on April 07, 2021, 04:33:40 PM
I have absolutely nothing against TC . . . but what has he achieved apart from that? Truth is not much.
How could I have forgot about the countless trophies and accolades Dembele won as a player for Fulham.. or for that matter anyone else.
I wonder if that Football League Cup runner up 14/15 medal has pride of place in the Dembele household?
Quote from: simplyfulham on April 07, 2021, 04:48:44 PM
Quote from: blingo on April 07, 2021, 04:33:40 PM
I have absolutely nothing against TC . . . but what has he achieved apart from that? Truth is not much.
How could I have forgot about the countless trophies and accolades Dembele won as a player for Fulham.. or for that matter anyone else.
I wonder if that Football League Cup runner up 14/15 medal has pride of place in the Dembele household?
Moussa Sidi Yaya Dembélé (born 16 July 1987) is a Belgian professional footballer who plays as a central midfielder for Chinese Super League club Guangzhou City and the Belgium national team, for whom he has achieved 82 caps. He was regarded as one of the best box-to-box midfielders in Europe due to his excellent dribbling skills and ability to maintain possession.[4][5][6]
Dembélé started his career at Belgian Pro League team Germinal Beerschot before spells at Eredivisie sides Willem II and AZ in the Netherlands. He won the league title and the Johan Cruyff Shield with the latter in 2009. Dembélé transferred to Premier League side Fulham in 2010 before joining Tottenham for a fee of £15 million in August 2012. He was ranked 91st in The Guardian's list of the 100 best current footballers in 2012
I think that tells you everything you need to know Mr Simply.
Quote from: blingo on April 07, 2021, 04:52:49 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on April 07, 2021, 04:48:44 PM
Quote from: blingo on April 07, 2021, 04:33:40 PM
I have absolutely nothing against TC . . . but what has he achieved apart from that? Truth is not much.
How could I have forgot about the countless trophies and accolades Dembele won as a player for Fulham.. or for that matter anyone else.
I wonder if that Football League Cup runner up 14/15 medal has pride of place in the Dembele household?
Moussa Sidi Yaya Dembélé (born 16 July 1987) is a Belgian professional footballer who plays as a central midfielder for Chinese Super League club Guangzhou City and the Belgium national team, for whom he has achieved 82 caps. He was regarded as one of the best box-to-box midfielders in Europe due to his excellent dribbling skills and ability to maintain possession.[4][5][6]
Dembélé started his career at Belgian Pro League team Germinal Beerschot before spells at Eredivisie sides Willem II and AZ in the Netherlands. He won the league title and the Johan Cruyff Shield with the latter in 2009. Dembélé transferred to Premier League side Fulham in 2010 before joining Tottenham for a fee of £15 million in August 2012. He was ranked 91st in The Guardian's list of the 100 best current footballers in 2012
I think that tells you everything you need to know Mr Simply.
You are most welcome monsieur Blingo.
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Quote from: perry geyton on April 07, 2021, 05:37:05 AM
Quote from: blingo on April 06, 2021, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Simply91 on April 06, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Cairney is a fantastic footballer and is arguably the biggest club legend we've had in the last 4-5 years.
He certainly doesn't fit legend status
Quote from: perry geyton on April 07, 2021, 05:27:16 AM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Absolutely but they've all got their blinkers on for the RLC love club,,,,
Quote from: perry geyton on April 07, 2021, 05:27:16 AM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Absolutely but they've all got their blinkers on for the RLC love club,,,,
Quote from: blingo on April 07, 2021, 12:16:30 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on April 07, 2021, 12:12:54 AM
Quote from: blingo on April 06, 2021, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Simply91 on April 06, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on April 06, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Cairney is a fantastic footballer and is arguably the biggest club legend we've had in the last 4-5 years.
He certainly doesn't fit legend status
I think you'll find that most fans would consider him to be the greatest legend the club has ever known.
Either you are a WUM or you are totally deluded. He can't hold a candle to the likes of Haynes, Cohen, Malbranque, Saha, Dempsey, Mc Bride, Dembele, and a whole host of others
Absolutely on par with Dembele, similar type of player and Cairneys far more effective regarding scoring goals
Absolutely not on a par with Dembele. Cairney wouldn't get in the Spurs team. I'd struggle to find a space for him in our first team.
You're so deluded with your TC crush, it's painful.
Best player to come from ng1 Nottingham.
As for the best since Pele at Craven Cottage, Best, Marsh, Moore, and Cairney is better than them? I can't stop laughing.
I think we are overrating the impact of Cairney at this level. He is just another guy that goes side to side and backwards with little cutting edge. He pops up with a goal or assist every now and again, but for me is a very good Championship level CAM, and at the PL level he wouldnt bring us much more than RLC.
Quote from: fancyfeet4 on April 07, 2021, 07:24:43 PM
I think we are overrating the impact of Cairney at this level. He is just another guy that goes side to side and backwards with little cutting edge. He pops up with a goal or assist every now and again, but for me is a very good Championship level CAM, and at the PL level he wouldnt bring us much more than RLC.
A goal or an assist every now and again be much more than what we get from RLC
Quote from: Karlos on April 07, 2021, 08:21:08 PM
Quote from: fancyfeet4 on April 07, 2021, 07:24:43 PM
I think we are overrating the impact of Cairney at this level. He is just another guy that goes side to side and backwards with little cutting edge. He pops up with a goal or assist every now and again, but for me is a very good Championship level CAM, and at the PL level he wouldnt bring us much more than RLC.
A goal or an assist every now and again be much more than what we get from RLC
The last time we were in the Premier League Cairney played 31 times. He scored one goal and had one assist to his name. As with many players who are out of the team for a long period some seem to see them through rose tinted glasses. Don't get me wrong TC is decent and has definitely been missed but he isn't the messiah.
You don't have to be the best player in the world to be a Fulham legend. That's not the way Fulham works. For instance, Simon Morgan is a Fulham legend for putting an absolute shift in for so many years when many others couldn't be bothered.
TC is a Fulham legend for scoring that goal at Wembley against Villa, for much the same reason that Roger Brown and Rodney McAree are Fulham legends - they scored crucial, memorable goals that sent us all delirious with joy and have been, and will continue to be, remembered and celebrated by us for years.
Sorry but one goal does not make you a legend
Cairney will always be a Fulham legend for me. Not the greatest of all times and probably a bit too slow on the ball for the Premier League but I will always remember the goal at Wembley and the part he played in that amazing midfield trio with KMac and StefJo. The Jokanovic promotion season was the most fun I've had watching Fulham since Tigana, possibly EVER (and no, I haven't forgotten about the Europa League). The football we played in the second half of our Joka promotion season was something I'll never forget and Cairney was the creative mastermind behind much of it. We'll never see those euphoric 5-3 wins with Parkerball, that's for sure! Kamikaze stuff, I still wonder how good that team could have been with better CBs.
You'll be lucky to see a 1-0 win under Parker
TC is not in my opinion one of the very best midfielders the club has had. Mullery, Murphy, Dembele, Houghton come to mind immediately. But he is still a very good player who has been missed this season. He's not the fastest or the hardest but he can pick out a pass, he can create chances and he can finish from outside the area. We have some good solid defensive midfield players in Reed, Lemina and Anguissa but none of them can do what a fit TC is capable of. Creativity has in my view been lacking all season borne out in the goals for statistics.
Whether he will be fit to play any part in the last few games must be doubtful but he would add something extra for Parker if he is. I hope to see him back asap.
Quote from: Mullers OG on April 08, 2021, 11:10:32 AM
TC is not in my opinion one of the very best midfielders the club has had. Mullery, Murphy, Dembele, Houghton come to mind immediately. But he is still a very good player who has been missed this season. He's not the fastest or the hardest but he can pick out a pass, he can create chances and he can finish from outside the area. We have some good solid defensive midfield players in Reed, Lemina and Anguissa but none of them can do what a fit TC is capable of. Creativity has in my view been lacking all season borne out in the goals for statistics.
Whether he will be fit to play any part in the last few games must be doubtful but he would add something extra for Parker if he is. I hope to see him back asap.
I think this is a fair and balanced assessment. It avoids the silly extremes of the TC lovers and haters.
FWIW I wouldn't put TC in legend status, there have been better midfielders over the years (Best and Marsh wouldn't be up there either for me, that period which also featured Moore was high on showmanship but low on achievements).
I do however think that playing in front of a decent back 4 and players like Reed, Zambo or Lemina, then TC could deliver a welcome shot of creativity and footballing intelligence into the mix. I really think we are missing him.
You mean that Best and Marsh tackling eachother doesn't entitle them to leg end status Mr Twig???
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Glad to see some support for Tom Cairney
A quality player, stronger than people think,
How we need him now.
Cairney is a fantastic footballer and is arguably the biggest club legend we've had in the last 4-5 years.
He certainly doesn't fit legend status
So scoring the winning goal at Wembley, to give Fulham their first ever win at Wembley, doesn't impress you? How about leading and captaining the club to another win at Wembley over our rivals?
Would be interesting to hear your view as to who you think has been the clubs best servant over the past 4-5 years if isn't Cairney?
MITROVIC
Cairney is not a jot like Dembele. One is a midfield cruiser weight,who can ride tackles beat a man without a trick, just by dint of changing pace. That's Dembele. Cairney on the other hand brings his team mates into the game, creates chances, and can pick a pass, a killer pass.
He can also score the odd goal or two, with a great shot.
He is the class act we have missed all season, he is the X Factor that we just don't have, and his absence is the chief reason we have not been scoring goals.
Frank and Harrison Reed would create the space and protection for Tom to shine. It is tragic we have not seen it this year.We would be at least 4 or 5 places higher up the league right now.
Quote from: clarkey on April 08, 2021, 09:22:22 PM
Cairney is not a jot like Dembele. One is a midfield cruiser weight,who can ride tackles beat a man without a trick, just by dint of changing pace. That's Dembele. Cairney on the other hand brings his team mates into the game, creates chances, and can pick a pass, a killer pass.
He can also score the odd goal or two, with a great shot.
He is the class act we have missed all season, he is the X Factor that we just don't have, and his absence is the chief reason we have not been scoring goals.
Frank and Harrison Reed would create the space and protection for Tom to shine. It is tragic we have not seen it this year.We would be at least 4 or 5 places higher up the league right now.
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