Is this period the most settled we've been......team are one and together, manager & training staff are unanimously liked - stadium being redeveloped, the pitch is probably the best I've seen it, training facilities being improved......steady on
Could someone persuade em to upgrade the bogs in the hammy end? The facilities at little Peterborough yesterday put ours to shame
Good topic. I think you can argue it was like this during the 23 game unbeaten run.
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Quote from: bigalffc on November 07, 2021, 03:11:46 PM
Could someone persuade em to upgrade the bogs in the hammy end? The facilities at little Peterborough yesterday put ours to shame
The toilets in the Hammy End have been awful for years!
Quote from: Fulham 442 on November 07, 2021, 03:22:14 PM
Quote from: bigalffc on November 07, 2021, 03:11:46 PM
Could someone persuade em to upgrade the bogs in the hammy end? The facilities at little Peterborough yesterday put ours to shame
The toilets in the Hammy End have been awful for years!
Think you're just trying to create a stink!
Quote from: ianthailand on November 07, 2021, 04:17:54 PM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on November 07, 2021, 03:22:14 PM
Quote from: bigalffc on November 07, 2021, 03:11:46 PM
Could someone persuade em to upgrade the bogs in the hammy end? The facilities at little Peterborough yesterday put ours to shame
The toilets in the Hammy End have been awful for years!
Think you're just trying to create a stink!
Or flushed with success?
I think you're probably right. Everything is looking positive at the moment. I really like Silva, and everything he's doing with the team. The coaching of the team is such a vast improvement than we've had over the past several seasons
Quote from: Caedal on November 07, 2021, 05:31:41 PM
I think you're probably right. Everything is looking positive at the moment. I really like Silva, and everything he's doing with the team. The coaching of the team is such a vast improvement than we've had over the past several seasons
Does look that way I agree. Trouble is this is Fulham and I always fear that disappointment is just around the corner!
Quote from: bog on November 07, 2021, 05:26:33 PM
Quote from: ianthailand on November 07, 2021, 04:17:54 PM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on November 07, 2021, 03:22:14 PM
Quote from: bigalffc on November 07, 2021, 03:11:46 PM
Could someone persuade em to upgrade the bogs in the hammy end? The facilities at little Peterborough yesterday put ours to shame
The toilets in the Hammy End have been awful for years!
Think you're just trying to create a stink!
Or flushed with success?
Nah, just taking the pee.
Quote from: NJFulham on November 07, 2021, 03:15:50 PM
Good topic. I think you can argue it was like this during the 23 game unbeaten run.
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The one difference in those two time periods would be how shaky the ground Slav's team stood on. The performance on the pitch was incredible, but the pressure was higher to me because not being promoted that season could have lead to a complete dismantling of the team. Instead TC and Mitro are still with the club. I don't feel that way right now. Not succeeding this season in promotion would be extremely disappointing, but not disastrous.
Quote from: WolverineFFC on November 07, 2021, 06:20:34 PM
Quote from: NJFulham on November 07, 2021, 03:15:50 PM
Good topic. I think you can argue it was like this during the 23 game unbeaten run.
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The one difference in those two time periods would be how shaky the ground Slav's team stood on. The performance on the pitch was incredible, but the pressure was higher to me because not being promoted that season could have lead to a complete dismantling of the team. Instead TC and Mitro are still with the club. I don't feel that way right now. Not succeeding this season in promotion would be extremely disappointing, but not disastrous.
I'd actually be a bit more pessimistic given our FFP position. We've pushed the envelope massively to try and get promoted this year - it needs to happen or there would be a firesale. But I don't want to dampen the feelgood factor because Silva seems to be me to a very good manager and we look well placed to go up.
He's only been our manager for less than half a season. Not sure it's the most stable in that regards, though the squad do have that air about them, though you could say its been that way for a while
Hats off to them,we're staying at our iconic stadium for the foreseeable future.They are putting their money into our great club where ftp is not infringed but where we can reap the rewards in the future.They have made mistakes but I in my opinion are fantastic custodians of our club.About time they had a song,I for one don't sing the Al Faced one.
Quote from: mrmicawbers on November 07, 2021, 07:56:40 PM
Hats off to them,we're staying at our iconic stadium for the foreseeable future.They are putting their money into our great club where ftp is not infringed but where we can reap the rewards in the future.They have made mistakes but I in my opinion are fantastic custodians of our club.About time they had a song,I for one don't sing the Al Faced one.
I concur. Apart from the Fayed song. Just need a new one.
I think when we went down in their first season, we were a mess and suffering from being kept alive just for a sale. This hid some fundamental areas of neglect.
They made mistakes. Absolutely. But the great thing about mistakes (unless you are an idiot or incredibly stubborn) is that you learn. We probably needed 5 years of rebuilding. We've had eight because of mistakes but here we are, unbelievable new stand, fantastic academy, great manager, a team full of our own (ed) players and look like we should go up.
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on November 07, 2021, 06:23:48 PM
Quote from: WolverineFFC on November 07, 2021, 06:20:34 PM
Quote from: NJFulham on November 07, 2021, 03:15:50 PM
Good topic. I think you can argue it was like this during the 23 game unbeaten run.
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The one difference in those two time periods would be how shaky the ground Slav's team stood on. The performance on the pitch was incredible, but the pressure was higher to me because not being promoted that season could have lead to a complete dismantling of the team. Instead TC and Mitro are still with the club. I don't feel that way right now. Not succeeding this season in promotion would be extremely disappointing, but not disastrous.
I'd actually be a bit more pessimistic given our FFP position. We've pushed the envelope massively to try and get promoted this year - it needs to happen or there would be a firesale. But I don't want to dampen the feelgood factor because Silva seems to be me to a very good manager and we look well placed to go up.
I don't think that is true. Other than knock and maybe Cav, there is no dead weight on the books after this season. Better yet, there are a half dozen to dozen players who could be turned over for profit if needed. In 18 it was basically TC and Sess to generate income. If the team had not been promoted, the club almost certainly would have lost both. It could have been dire.
Town Hall Clocks.
I think since Mr Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.
Quote from: bigalffc on November 07, 2021, 03:11:46 PM
Could someone persuade em to upgrade the bogs in the hammy end? The facilities at little Peterborough yesterday put ours to shame
Can't be touched as they are architecturally listed as a fine example of early bubonic with a few rococo flourishes.....
Quote from: Twig on November 07, 2021, 06:15:21 PM
Quote from: bog on November 07, 2021, 05:26:33 PM
Quote from: ianthailand on November 07, 2021, 04:17:54 PM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on November 07, 2021, 03:22:14 PM
Quote from: bigalffc on November 07, 2021, 03:11:46 PM
Could someone persuade em to upgrade the bogs in the hammy end? The facilities at little Peterborough yesterday put ours to shame
The toilets in the Hammy End have been awful for years!
Think you're just trying to create a stink!
Or flushed with success?
Nah, just taking the pee.
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I shall stay a Floater on this subject.
Quote from: mrmicawbers on November 07, 2021, 07:56:40 PM
Hats off to them,we're staying at our iconic stadium for the foreseeable future.They are putting their money into our great club where ftp is not infringed but where we can reap the rewards in the future.They have made mistakes but I in my opinion are fantastic custodians of our club.About time they had a song,I for one don't sing the Al Faced one.
100% Agree
Quote from: ALG01 on November 08, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
I think since Mr Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.
From what I know the opposite is true, this is the first time since the Khan's arrived that the "Director of Football Vision" has been reflected in both the recruitment and on the field, rather than the DOF managing recruitment and the head coach imposing an on field vision incompatible with the players we have. If you don't agree, then I'll show how both recruitment and on field is better aligned with the DOF vision. We finally have a coach not trying to impose his own vision like Slavisa, Raneri or Parker.
If you look at this years recruitment, it is obvious that Marco Silva likes the players we got, but three of the recruits perfectly fit a typical Tony Khan recruitment with Chalobah and Wilson players TK has been rumoured to try and recruit in the past; while Muniz seems to fit statistically the type of striker TK likes (ie with a bit of Mitrovic ability to score against the low block and with a little bit of Kamara to counter attack).
Of course, there is one exception to this years recruitment being typical TK, as Gazza isn't a typical TK great statistics goalkeeper but with two goalkeepers with great statistics (Rodak and Fabri) maybe the coach deserves one keeper with a great reputation that exceeds his stats. The signing of Gazza may (or may not) be a change in recruitment direction in the GK department, but means little and I prefer to use a great stats goalkeeper like Rodak whose statistics indicate he is worth triple what every other team is willing to pay for him.
As for on field, the football is now complying with the "Director of Football Vision", but in fairness TK is pretty simple play with 4 defenders, 2 wide attacking players and a centre forward that scores. The real genius is what Marco Silva has done is make that dream a reality. But, the previous premier league managers of Fulham didn't try to implement that vision and ended up trying to fit TK's round pegs in to Slavisa's, Raneri's and Parker's square holes.
Best example, Parker in no way wanted to use his #9 in the way the "director of football" was recruiting his #9, hence TK recruit Mitrovic played poorly under Parker and Seri wasn't even useful in the squad of 25 players. TK vision is not genius (many nine olds fans have a similar vision), but recruitment has long been aligned to that vision and now Marco Silva has aligned play to that vision. In comparison look at Slavisa at Sheffield United, he continues to play 4-3-3 with wingers even though he hasn't got the players to play that way.
Of course, having a great vision in football is not much of an achievement (as 442, 443 or 352 can all work). Tony Khan has aligned recruitment to his vision, and now Marco Silva aligned the on field play in line to how we are recruiting. In truth, I think Shahid Khan realised that getting a great coach wasn't enough (eg Chris Wilder), we need a coach that had a similar vision to Tony Khan or adopts Tony Khans vision.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 08, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
I think since Mr Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.
From what I know the opposite is true, this is the first time since the Khan's arrived that the "Director of Football Vision" has been reflected in both the recruitment and on the field, rather than the DOF managing recruitment and the head coach imposing an on field vision incompatible with the players we have. If you don't agree, then I'll show how both recruitment and on field is better aligned with the DOF vision. We finally have a coach not trying to impose his own vision like Slavisa, Raneri or Parker.
If you look at this years recruitment, it is obvious that Marco Silva likes the players we got, but three of the recruits perfectly fit a typical Tony Khan recruitment with Chalobah and Wilson players TK has been rumoured to try and recruit in the past; while Muniz seems to fit statistically the type of striker TK likes (ie with a bit of Mitrovic ability to score against the low block and with a little bit of Kamara to counter attack).
Of course, there is one exception to this years recruitment being typical TK, as Gazza isn't a typical TK great statistics goalkeeper but with two goalkeepers with great statistics (Rodak and Fabri) maybe the coach deserves one keeper with a great reputation that exceeds his stats. The signing of Gazza may (or may not) be a change in recruitment direction in the GK department, but means little and I prefer to use a great stats goalkeeper like Rodak whose statistics indicate he is worth triple what every other team is willing to pay for him.
As for on field, the football is now complying with the "Director of Football Vision", but in fairness TK is pretty simple play with 4 defenders, 2 wide attacking players and a centre forward that scores. The real genius is what Marco Silva has done is make that dream a reality. But, the previous premier league managers of Fulham didn't try to implement that vision and ended up trying to fit TK's round pegs in to Slavisa's, Raneri's and Parker's square holes.
Best example, Parker in no way wanted to use his #9 in the way the "director of football" was recruiting his #9, hence TK recruit Mitrovic played poorly under Parker and Seri wasn't even useful in the squad of 25 players. TK vision is not genius (many nine olds fans have a similar vision), but recruitment has long been aligned to that vision and now Marco Silva has aligned play to that vision. In comparison look at Slavisa at Sheffield United, he continues to play 4-3-3 with wingers even though he hasn't got the players to play that way.
Of course, having a great vision in football is not much of an achievement (as 442, 443 or 352 can all work). Tony Khan has aligned recruitment to his vision, and now Marco Silva aligned the on field play in line to how we are recruiting. In truth, I think Shahid Khan realised that getting a great coach wasn't enough (eg Chris Wilder), we need a coach that had a similar vision to Tony Khan or adopts Tony Khans vision.
If all the star's are aligned we must be currently very stable
Wow so much wrong on those assumptions I do not know even where to begin.
Why are we singing the praises of our recruitment policy when only one of our five summer signings is currently making first team appearances.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 08, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
I think since Mr Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.
From what I know the opposite is true, this is the first time since the Khan's arrived that the "Director of Football Vision" has been reflected in both the recruitment and on the field, rather than the DOF managing recruitment and the head coach imposing an on field vision incompatible with the players we have. If you don't agree, then I'll show how both recruitment and on field is better aligned with the DOF vision. We finally have a coach not trying to impose his own vision like Slavisa, Raneri or Parker.
If you look at this years recruitment, it is obvious that Marco Silva likes the players we got, but three of the recruits perfectly fit a typical Tony Khan recruitment with Chalobah and Wilson players TK has been rumoured to try and recruit in the past; while Muniz seems to fit statistically the type of striker TK likes (ie with a bit of Mitrovic ability to score against the low block and with a little bit of Kamara to counter attack).
Of course, there is one exception to this years recruitment being typical TK, as Gazza isn't a typical TK great statistics goalkeeper but with two goalkeepers with great statistics (Rodak and Fabri) maybe the coach deserves one keeper with a great reputation that exceeds his stats. The signing of Gazza may (or may not) be a change in recruitment direction in the GK department, but means little and I prefer to use a great stats goalkeeper like Rodak whose statistics indicate he is worth triple what every other team is willing to pay for him.
As for on field, the football is now complying with the "Director of Football Vision", but in fairness TK is pretty simple play with 4 defenders, 2 wide attacking players and a centre forward that scores. The real genius is what Marco Silva has done is make that dream a reality. But, the previous premier league managers of Fulham didn't try to implement that vision and ended up trying to fit TK's round pegs in to Slavisa's, Raneri's and Parker's square holes.
Best example, Parker in no way wanted to use his #9 in the way the "director of football" was recruiting his #9, hence TK recruit Mitrovic played poorly under Parker and Seri wasn't even useful in the squad of 25 players. TK vision is not genius (many nine olds fans have a similar vision), but recruitment has long been aligned to that vision and now Marco Silva has aligned play to that vision. In comparison look at Slavisa at Sheffield United, he continues to play 4-3-3 with wingers even though he hasn't got the players to play that way.
Of course, having a great vision in football is not much of an achievement (as 442, 443 or 352 can all work). Tony Khan has aligned recruitment to his vision, and now Marco Silva aligned the on field play in line to how we are recruiting. In truth, I think Shahid Khan realised that getting a great coach wasn't enough (eg Chris Wilder), we need a coach that had a similar vision to Tony Khan or adopts Tony Khans vision.
TRF I feel you are wrong in so many ways.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 08, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
I think since Mr Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.
From what I know the opposite is true, this is the first time since the Khan's arrived that the "Director of Football Vision" has been reflected in both the recruitment and on the field, rather than the DOF managing recruitment and the head coach imposing an on field vision incompatible with the players we have. If you don't agree, then I'll show how both recruitment and on field is better aligned with the DOF vision. We finally have a coach not trying to impose his own vision like Slavisa, Raneri or Parker.
If you look at this years recruitment, it is obvious that Marco Silva likes the players we got, but three of the recruits perfectly fit a typical Tony Khan recruitment with Chalobah and Wilson players TK has been rumoured to try and recruit in the past; while Muniz seems to fit statistically the type of striker TK likes (ie with a bit of Mitrovic ability to score against the low block and with a little bit of Kamara to counter attack).
Of course, there is one exception to this years recruitment being typical TK, as Gazza isn't a typical TK great statistics goalkeeper but with two goalkeepers with great statistics (Rodak and Fabri) maybe the coach deserves one keeper with a great reputation that exceeds his stats. The signing of Gazza may (or may not) be a change in recruitment direction in the GK department, but means little and I prefer to use a great stats goalkeeper like Rodak whose statistics indicate he is worth triple what every other team is willing to pay for him.
As for on field, the football is now complying with the "Director of Football Vision", but in fairness TK is pretty simple play with 4 defenders, 2 wide attacking players and a centre forward that scores. The real genius is what Marco Silva has done is make that dream a reality. But, the previous premier league managers of Fulham didn't try to implement that vision and ended up trying to fit TK's round pegs in to Slavisa's, Raneri's and Parker's square holes.
Best example, Parker in no way wanted to use his #9 in the way the "director of football" was recruiting his #9, hence TK recruit Mitrovic played poorly under Parker and Seri wasn't even useful in the squad of 25 players. TK vision is not genius (many nine olds fans have a similar vision), but recruitment has long been aligned to that vision and now Marco Silva has aligned play to that vision. In comparison look at Slavisa at Sheffield United, he continues to play 4-3-3 with wingers even though he hasn't got the players to play that way.
Of course, having a great vision in football is not much of an achievement (as 442, 443 or 352 can all work). Tony Khan has aligned recruitment to his vision, and now Marco Silva aligned the on field play in line to how we are recruiting. In truth, I think Shahid Khan realised that getting a great coach wasn't enough (eg Chris Wilder), we need a coach that had a similar vision to Tony Khan or adopts Tony Khans vision.
I am not sure quite where to begin, so in point of fact I will not address your comments specifically. In the past we have not seen eye to eye because the nature of your unblinkered support for TK and and his myriad of errors has taken you to place that in a rational world do no seem to any hold water. I have stated my case and it is clear TK has been marginalised and that has benifited the whole club.
The comparison of parker to silva is an irrelevance to this because what we are talking about is the affect of having an unquaified serial faliure in a position of authority and the affect it has on the running of the club. Mr Khan jhas removed his son from management except in name alone and as a result the camp is rather more settled.
The moment mr Khan snr said he alone went to portugal, it was clear the mood music had changed.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 08, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
I think since Mr Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.
From what I know the opposite is true, this is the first time since the Khan's arrived that the "Director of Football Vision" has been reflected in both the recruitment and on the field, rather than the DOF managing recruitment and the head coach imposing an on field vision incompatible with the players we have. If you don't agree, then I'll show how both recruitment and on field is better aligned with the DOF vision. We finally have a coach not trying to impose his own vision like Slavisa, Raneri or Parker.
If you look at this years recruitment, it is obvious that Marco Silva likes the players we got, but three of the recruits perfectly fit a typical Tony Khan recruitment with Chalobah and Wilson players TK has been rumoured to try and recruit in the past; while Muniz seems to fit statistically the type of striker TK likes (ie with a bit of Mitrovic ability to score against the low block and with a little bit of Kamara to counter attack).
Of course, there is one exception to this years recruitment being typical TK, as Gazza isn't a typical TK great statistics goalkeeper but with two goalkeepers with great statistics (Rodak and Fabri) maybe the coach deserves one keeper with a great reputation that exceeds his stats. The signing of Gazza may (or may not) be a change in recruitment direction in the GK department, but means little and I prefer to use a great stats goalkeeper like Rodak whose statistics indicate he is worth triple what every other team is willing to pay for him.
As for on field, the football is now complying with the "Director of Football Vision", but in fairness TK is pretty simple play with 4 defenders, 2 wide attacking players and a centre forward that scores. The real genius is what Marco Silva has done is make that dream a reality. But, the previous premier league managers of Fulham didn't try to implement that vision and ended up trying to fit TK's round pegs in to Slavisa's, Raneri's and Parker's square holes.
Best example, Parker in no way wanted to use his #9 in the way the "director of football" was recruiting his #9, hence TK recruit Mitrovic played poorly under Parker and Seri wasn't even useful in the squad of 25 players. TK vision is not genius (many nine olds fans have a similar vision), but recruitment has long been aligned to that vision and now Marco Silva has aligned play to that vision. In comparison look at Slavisa at Sheffield United, he continues to play 4-3-3 with wingers even though he hasn't got the players to play that way.
Of course, having a great vision in football is not much of an achievement (as 442, 443 or 352 can all work). Tony Khan has aligned recruitment to his vision, and now Marco Silva aligned the on field play in line to how we are recruiting. In truth, I think Shahid Khan realised that getting a great coach wasn't enough (eg Chris Wilder), we need a coach that had a similar vision to Tony Khan or adopts Tony Khans vision.
Bit baffled by a lot of this. You certainly are Tony Khan's biggest fan.
Quote from: filham on November 09, 2021, 10:49:51 AM
Why are we singing the praises of our recruitment policy when only one of our five summer signings is currently making first team appearances.
You keep trotting this statement out in one form or another and it's quite easy to understand if you put your mind to it because we realistically only needed one position filling for a strong starting XI; Wilson was brought in as a starter as we needed a good RW as Knockart is a flop. Muniz was brought in as backup as we have the best striker in the league and needed some depth to a) push him and b) cover for him competently when required. Gazza was obviously a Silva pick because he proceeded to start him straight away and only dropped him when he put in a performance you could argue merited him being dropped, and he's still a more than adequate backup to Rodak. Chalobah when fit will push for a starting place (as shown by his full debut at Brum) and Quina was an opportunistic backup option to Carvalho as at the time it looked like TC was permanently crocked and the only attacking midfielder we had was 18 years old and it wasn't realistic to expect him to be superb for 46 games (and he then broke his toe). The fact that he's now #3 in the pecking order is no black mark against the recruitment becuase it looked like we needed a competent backup, and now everyone is back from injury he's a depth option with a point to prove for getting into the starting XI.
Quote from: Deeping_white on November 09, 2021, 12:05:46 PM
Quote from: filham on November 09, 2021, 10:49:51 AM
Why are we singing the praises of our recruitment policy when only one of our five summer signings is currently making first team appearances.
You keep trotting this statement out in one form or another and it's quite easy to understand if you put your mind to it because we realistically only needed one position filling for a strong starting XI; Wilson was brought in as a starter as we needed a good RW as Knockart is a flop. Muniz was brought in as backup as we have the best striker in the league and needed some depth to a) push him and b) cover for him competently when required. Gazza was obviously a Silva pick because he proceeded to start him straight away and only dropped him when he put in a performance you could argue merited him being dropped, and he's still a more than adequate backup to Rodak. Chalobah when fit will push for a starting place (as shown by his full debut at Brum) and Quina was an opportunistic backup option to Carvalho as at the time it looked like TC was permanently crocked and the only attacking midfielder we had was 18 years old and it wasn't realistic to expect him to be superb for 46 games (and he then broke his toe). The fact that he's now #3 in the pecking order is no black mark against the recruitment becuase it looked like we needed a competent backup, and now everyone is back from injury he's a depth option with a point to prove for getting into the starting XI.
Gazzaniga was not a Silva pick. We were in for him last summer until Mino offered us Areola.
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All I know is that since Mickey Adams got the club climbing and then MAF arrived we have had so many good times. Imagine what might have happened if neither of those had got involved with the club.... :022: :dft001:
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Quote from: bog on November 09, 2021, 01:39:01 PM
All I know is that since Mickey Adams got the club climbing and then MAF arrived we have had so many good times. Imagine what might have happened if neither of those had got involved with the club.... :022: :dft001:
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Quote from: ALG01 on November 09, 2021, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 08, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
I think since Mr Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.
From what I know the opposite is true, this is the first time since the Khan's arrived that the "Director of Football Vision" has been reflected in both the recruitment and on the field, rather than the DOF managing recruitment and the head coach imposing an on field vision incompatible with the players we have. If you don't agree, then I'll show how both recruitment and on field is better aligned with the DOF vision. We finally have a coach not trying to impose his own vision like Slavisa, Raneri or Parker.
If you look at this years recruitment, it is obvious that Marco Silva likes the players we got, but three of the recruits perfectly fit a typical Tony Khan recruitment with Chalobah and Wilson players TK has been rumoured to try and recruit in the past; while Muniz seems to fit statistically the type of striker TK likes (ie with a bit of Mitrovic ability to score against the low block and with a little bit of Kamara to counter attack).
Of course, there is one exception to this years recruitment being typical TK, as Gazza isn't a typical TK great statistics goalkeeper but with two goalkeepers with great statistics (Rodak and Fabri) maybe the coach deserves one keeper with a great reputation that exceeds his stats. The signing of Gazza may (or may not) be a change in recruitment direction in the GK department, but means little and I prefer to use a great stats goalkeeper like Rodak whose statistics indicate he is worth triple what every other team is willing to pay for him.
As for on field, the football is now complying with the "Director of Football Vision", but in fairness TK is pretty simple play with 4 defenders, 2 wide attacking players and a centre forward that scores. The real genius is what Marco Silva has done is make that dream a reality. But, the previous premier league managers of Fulham didn't try to implement that vision and ended up trying to fit TK's round pegs in to Slavisa's, Raneri's and Parker's square holes.
Best example, Parker in no way wanted to use his #9 in the way the "director of football" was recruiting his #9, hence TK recruit Mitrovic played poorly under Parker and Seri wasn't even useful in the squad of 25 players. TK vision is not genius (many nine olds fans have a similar vision), but recruitment has long been aligned to that vision and now Marco Silva has aligned play to that vision. In comparison look at Slavisa at Sheffield United, he continues to play 4-3-3 with wingers even though he hasn't got the players to play that way.
Of course, having a great vision in football is not much of an achievement (as 442, 443 or 352 can all work). Tony Khan has aligned recruitment to his vision, and now Marco Silva aligned the on field play in line to how we are recruiting. In truth, I think Shahid Khan realised that getting a great coach wasn't enough (eg Chris Wilder), we need a coach that had a similar vision to Tony Khan or adopts Tony Khans vision.
I am not sure quite where to begin, so in point of fact I will not address your comments specifically. In the past we have not seen eye to eye because the nature of your unblinkered support for TK and and his myriad of errors has taken you to place that in a rational world do no seem to any hold water. I have stated my case and it is clear TK has been marginalised and that has benifited the whole club.
The comparison of parker to silva is an irrelevance to this because what we are talking about is the affect of having an unquaified serial faliure in a position of authority and the affect it has on the running of the club. Mr Khan jhas removed his son from management except in name alone and as a result the camp is rather more settled.
The moment mr Khan snr said he alone went to portugal, it was clear the mood music had changed.
While Tony Khan may have been removed from the public eye, there is no evidence that Tony Khan has been removed from the DOF role in all but name alone. Since Marco Silva has joined, the Recruitment Model has not changed at all, while the on field style now follows the recruitment style.
Of the four signings this season three are typical TK statistics signings (Chalobah, Wilson and Muniz), two Tony Khan attempted to sign a couple of years ago (Chalobah and Wilson) and Muniz seems to share a few characteristics with Mitrovic only a little quicker. As for goalkeeping, Tony Khan wouldn't have choosen Gazza (due to his poor stats) but Rodak is a typical TK pick (ie great stats) so TK likes two out of three goalkeepers.
This season recruitment seems to be even more typical of Tony Khan's statistics model than ever before, which doesn't indicate that Tony Khan has been removed and indicates that he is fully involved. What has changed is Marco Silva has adopted a style that fits the kind of good stats players that Tony Khan tends to buy.
Marco Silva has perfectly implemented the kind of pattern of play that the Director of Football recruited for, which I admit is a demonstration of Marco Silva brilliance more than the DOF vision. In comparison, Raneri and Parker seem unable to adopt a style that would ever fit a a great statistical #9 like Mitovic even though that's what they were given, while Slavisa seems determined to find some wingers at Sheffield United even though it seems the club has recruited for a system without wingers.
No doubt, Shahid Khan was at crisis point when he recruited the head coach; but Shahid Khan selected Marco Silva not because he was the best coach, but he was the best coach to work under Tony Khan. Most likely Marco Silva told the Shahid Khan that recruitment is not that bad, and he could get them to perform better.
I would note, that most of Tony Khans recruits have had very good statistic before jointing Fulham and then poor statistics at Fulham. I even think Marco Silva would have fitted players like Schullre into the system, and overcome his major problems with tracking back.
I am certain Marco Silva could have made Fabri; TFM, Chambers, Mawson, Bryan; Seri and Anguissa into a decent back seven, or at least he they would not be one of the worst back seven in premier league history.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 10:58:10 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 09, 2021, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 08, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
I think since Mr Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.
From what I know the opposite is true, this is the first time since the Khan's arrived that the "Director of Football Vision" has been reflected in both the recruitment and on the field, rather than the DOF managing recruitment and the head coach imposing an on field vision incompatible with the players we have. If you don't agree, then I'll show how both recruitment and on field is better aligned with the DOF vision. We finally have a coach not trying to impose his own vision like Slavisa, Raneri or Parker.
If you look at this years recruitment, it is obvious that Marco Silva likes the players we got, but three of the recruits perfectly fit a typical Tony Khan recruitment with Chalobah and Wilson players TK has been rumoured to try and recruit in the past; while Muniz seems to fit statistically the type of striker TK likes (ie with a bit of Mitrovic ability to score against the low block and with a little bit of Kamara to counter attack).
Of course, there is one exception to this years recruitment being typical TK, as Gazza isn't a typical TK great statistics goalkeeper but with two goalkeepers with great statistics (Rodak and Fabri) maybe the coach deserves one keeper with a great reputation that exceeds his stats. The signing of Gazza may (or may not) be a change in recruitment direction in the GK department, but means little and I prefer to use a great stats goalkeeper like Rodak whose statistics indicate he is worth triple what every other team is willing to pay for him.
As for on field, the football is now complying with the "Director of Football Vision", but in fairness TK is pretty simple play with 4 defenders, 2 wide attacking players and a centre forward that scores. The real genius is what Marco Silva has done is make that dream a reality. But, the previous premier league managers of Fulham didn't try to implement that vision and ended up trying to fit TK's round pegs in to Slavisa's, Raneri's and Parker's square holes.
Best example, Parker in no way wanted to use his #9 in the way the "director of football" was recruiting his #9, hence TK recruit Mitrovic played poorly under Parker and Seri wasn't even useful in the squad of 25 players. TK vision is not genius (many nine olds fans have a similar vision), but recruitment has long been aligned to that vision and now Marco Silva has aligned play to that vision. In comparison look at Slavisa at Sheffield United, he continues to play 4-3-3 with wingers even though he hasn't got the players to play that way.
Of course, having a great vision in football is not much of an achievement (as 442, 443 or 352 can all work). Tony Khan has aligned recruitment to his vision, and now Marco Silva aligned the on field play in line to how we are recruiting. In truth, I think Shahid Khan realised that getting a great coach wasn't enough (eg Chris Wilder), we need a coach that had a similar vision to Tony Khan or adopts Tony Khans vision.
I am not sure quite where to begin, so in point of fact I will not address your comments specifically. In the past we have not seen eye to eye because the nature of your unblinkered support for TK and and his myriad of errors has taken you to place that in a rational world do no seem to any hold water. I have stated my case and it is clear TK has been marginalised and that has benifited the whole club.
The comparison of parker to silva is an irrelevance to this because what we are talking about is the affect of having an unquaified serial faliure in a position of authority and the affect it has on the running of the club. Mr Khan jhas removed his son from management except in name alone and as a result the camp is rather more settled.
The moment mr Khan snr said he alone went to portugal, it was clear the mood music had changed.
While Tony Khan may have been removed from the public eye, there is no evidence that Tony Khan has been removed from the DOF role in all but name alone. Since Marco Silva has joined, the Recruitment Model has not changed at all, while the on field style now follows the recruitment style.
Of the four signings this season three are typical TK statistics signings (Chalobah, Wilson and Muniz), two Tony Khan attempted to sign a couple of years ago (Chalobah and Wilson) and Muniz seems to share a few characteristics with Mitrovic only a little quicker. As for goalkeeping, Tony Khan wouldn't have choosen Gazza (due to his poor stats) but Rodak is a typical TK pick (ie great stats) so TK likes two out of three goalkeepers.
This season recruitment seems to be even more typical of Tony Khan's statistics model than ever before, which doesn't indicate that Tony Khan has been removed and indicates that he is fully involved. What has changed is Marco Silva has adopted a style that fits the kind of good stats players that Tony Khan tends to buy.
Marco Silva has perfectly implemented the kind of pattern of play that the Director of Football recruited for, which I admit is a demonstration of Marco Silva brilliance more than the DOF vision. In comparison, Raneri and Parker seem unable to adopt a style that would ever fit a a great statistical #9 like Mitovic even though that's what they were given, while Slavisa seems determined to find some wingers at Sheffield United even though it seems the club has recruited for a system without wingers.
No doubt, Shahid Khan was at crisis point when he recruited the head coach; but Shahid Khan selected Marco Silva not because he was the best coach, but he was the best coach to work under Tony Khan. Most likely Marco Silva told the Shahid Khan that recruitment is not that bad, and he could get them to perform better.
I would note, that most of Tony Khans recruits have had very good statistic before jointing Fulham and then poor statistics at Fulham. I even think Marco Silva would have fitted players like Schullre into the system, and overcome his major problems with tracking back.
I am certain Marco Silva could have made Fabri; TFM, Chambers, Mawson, Bryan; Seri and Anguissa into a decent back seven, or at least he they would not be one of the worst back seven in premier league history.
you obviously know absolutely nothing about how a business is managed and how to read the signs of what is actually happening. I think from the vast majority of your threads I am never really sure what point(s) you are ever trying to make except to champion the ever hopeless TK as somehow being really good at his job when it was as plain as the nose on your face that was not true and has, as a result, had to be removed before the club actually fell apart.
I think we are concluded as a discussion.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 10:58:10 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 09, 2021, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 08, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
I think since Mr Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.
From what I know the opposite is true, this is the first time since the Khan's arrived that the "Director of Football Vision" has been reflected in both the recruitment and on the field, rather than the DOF managing recruitment and the head coach imposing an on field vision incompatible with the players we have. If you don't agree, then I'll show how both recruitment and on field is better aligned with the DOF vision. We finally have a coach not trying to impose his own vision like Slavisa, Raneri or Parker.
If you look at this years recruitment, it is obvious that Marco Silva likes the players we got, but three of the recruits perfectly fit a typical Tony Khan recruitment with Chalobah and Wilson players TK has been rumoured to try and recruit in the past; while Muniz seems to fit statistically the type of striker TK likes (ie with a bit of Mitrovic ability to score against the low block and with a little bit of Kamara to counter attack).
Of course, there is one exception to this years recruitment being typical TK, as Gazza isn't a typical TK great statistics goalkeeper but with two goalkeepers with great statistics (Rodak and Fabri) maybe the coach deserves one keeper with a great reputation that exceeds his stats. The signing of Gazza may (or may not) be a change in recruitment direction in the GK department, but means little and I prefer to use a great stats goalkeeper like Rodak whose statistics indicate he is worth triple what every other team is willing to pay for him.
As for on field, the football is now complying with the "Director of Football Vision", but in fairness TK is pretty simple play with 4 defenders, 2 wide attacking players and a centre forward that scores. The real genius is what Marco Silva has done is make that dream a reality. But, the previous premier league managers of Fulham didn't try to implement that vision and ended up trying to fit TK's round pegs in to Slavisa's, Raneri's and Parker's square holes.
Best example, Parker in no way wanted to use his #9 in the way the "director of football" was recruiting his #9, hence TK recruit Mitrovic played poorly under Parker and Seri wasn't even useful in the squad of 25 players. TK vision is not genius (many nine olds fans have a similar vision), but recruitment has long been aligned to that vision and now Marco Silva has aligned play to that vision. In comparison look at Slavisa at Sheffield United, he continues to play 4-3-3 with wingers even though he hasn't got the players to play that way.
Of course, having a great vision in football is not much of an achievement (as 442, 443 or 352 can all work). Tony Khan has aligned recruitment to his vision, and now Marco Silva aligned the on field play in line to how we are recruiting. In truth, I think Shahid Khan realised that getting a great coach wasn't enough (eg Chris Wilder), we need a coach that had a similar vision to Tony Khan or adopts Tony Khans vision.
I am not sure quite where to begin, so in point of fact I will not address your comments specifically. In the past we have not seen eye to eye because the nature of your unblinkered support for TK and and his myriad of errors has taken you to place that in a rational world do no seem to any hold water. I have stated my case and it is clear TK has been marginalised and that has benifited the whole club.
The comparison of parker to silva is an irrelevance to this because what we are talking about is the affect of having an unquaified serial faliure in a position of authority and the affect it has on the running of the club. Mr Khan jhas removed his son from management except in name alone and as a result the camp is rather more settled.
The moment mr Khan snr said he alone went to portugal, it was clear the mood music had changed.
While Tony Khan may have been removed from the public eye, there is no evidence that Tony Khan has been removed from the DOF role in all but name alone. Since Marco Silva has joined, the Recruitment Model has not changed at all, while the on field style now follows the recruitment style.
Of the four signings this season three are typical TK statistics signings (Chalobah, Wilson and Muniz), two Tony Khan attempted to sign a couple of years ago (Chalobah and Wilson) and Muniz seems to share a few characteristics with Mitrovic only a little quicker. As for goalkeeping, Tony Khan wouldn't have choosen Gazza (due to his poor stats) but Rodak is a typical TK pick (ie great stats) so TK likes two out of three goalkeepers.
This season recruitment seems to be even more typical of Tony Khan's statistics model than ever before, which doesn't indicate that Tony Khan has been removed and indicates that he is fully involved. What has changed is Marco Silva has adopted a style that fits the kind of good stats players that Tony Khan tends to buy.
Marco Silva has perfectly implemented the kind of pattern of play that the Director of Football recruited for, which I admit is a demonstration of Marco Silva brilliance more than the DOF vision. In comparison, Raneri and Parker seem unable to adopt a style that would ever fit a a great statistical #9 like Mitovic even though that's what they were given, while Slavisa seems determined to find some wingers at Sheffield United even though it seems the club has recruited for a system without wingers.
No doubt, Shahid Khan was at crisis point when he recruited the head coach; but Shahid Khan selected Marco Silva not because he was the best coach, but he was the best coach to work under Tony Khan. Most likely Marco Silva told the Shahid Khan that recruitment is not that bad, and he could get them to perform better.
I would note, that most of Tony Khans recruits have had very good statistic before jointing Fulham and then poor statistics at Fulham. I even think Marco Silva would have fitted players like Schullre into the system, and overcome his major problems with tracking back.
I am certain Marco Silva could have made Fabri; TFM, Chambers, Mawson, Bryan; Seri and Anguissa into a decent back seven, or at least he they would not be one of the worst back seven in premier league history.
You are embarrassing yourself defending the indefensible, which is the buffoon Tony Khan and massaging his inflated ego will not improve him one bit. My wife has forgotten more about football than TK will ever learn.
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 10, 2021, 12:55:12 AM
You are embarrassing yourself defending the indefensible, which is the buffoon Tony Khan and massaging his inflated ego will not improve him one bit. My wife has forgotten more about football than TK will ever learn.
Tony Khan took over when the team was 20th in the Championship and has built a team that should finish 2nd in the Championship. He is a fantastic DOF because he keeps the funding tap for players on and recruits better players than he losses.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 10, 2021, 07:18:51 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 10, 2021, 12:55:12 AM
You are embarrassing yourself defending the indefensible, which is the buffoon Tony Khan and massaging his inflated ego will not improve him one bit. My wife has forgotten more about football than TK will ever learn.
Tony Khan took over when the team was 20th in the Championship and has built a team that should finish 2nd in the Championship. He is a fantastic DOF because he keeps the funding tap for players on and recruits better players than he losses.
Keep digging.
I think it's probably somewhere in between those conflicting view points.What is obvious is whatever he does some posters will never give him any credit as it doesn't suit their weary agendas.
Quote from: mrmicawbers on November 10, 2021, 08:02:23 AM
I think it's probably somewhere in between those conflicting view points.What is obvious is whatever he does some posters will never give him any credit as it doesn't suit their weary agendas.
I Lways give him credit when it is due. You can check my posts and see that is the case.
Quote from: ALG01 on November 10, 2021, 09:27:59 AM
Quote from: mrmicawbers on November 10, 2021, 08:02:23 AM
I think it's probably somewhere in between those conflicting view points.What is obvious is whatever he does some posters will never give him any credit as it doesn't suit their weary agendas.
I Lways give him credit when it is due. You can check my posts and see that is the case.
I wasn't picking anyone out in particular,just fed up reading these over long posts which keep repeating the same old.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 10:58:10 PM
Since Marco Silva has joined, the Recruitment Model has not changed at all, while the on field style now follows the recruitment style.
It may seem illogical (or irrational) to you, TRF, but in a sense style of play will always follows recruitment e.g. muddled recruitment - muddled style; ill fitted recruitment - long process to resolve on field style. We have seen this with Jokanovic and Parker predominately and we have both TK's and Parker's word that both were involved and so there shouldn't have been anything but successful resolutions. But there were no real successes to be seen over whole seasons other than Parker's promotion play-off run. He didn't win automatic promotion (which was the Khan target) and he was an abject failure when it came to having the style to survive in the PL. I think you are obsessed with a belief in TK which has absolutely nothing to do with how things, in reality, panned out.
As to whether or not TK has been marginalised I, personally, don't have a clue, but I do know that many negatives attach to his performance as DoF and they far outweigh the positives. All of this could have been avoided has TK's ego been sufficiently reined in and players and coaches would have benefitted had that been the case. IMO.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 10, 2021, 07:18:51 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 10, 2021, 12:55:12 AM
You are embarrassing yourself defending the indefensible, which is the buffoon Tony Khan and massaging his inflated ego will not improve him one bit. My wife has forgotten more about football than TK will ever learn.
Tony Khan took over when the team was 20th in the Championship and has built a team that should finish 2nd in the Championship. He is a fantastic DOF because he keeps the funding tap for players on and recruits better players than he losses.
Tony Khan took over in February 2017. We were firmly in the playoff race at that point, thanks to some amazing signings when Mike Rigg was DoF. TK's first transfer window was Cisse, Fonte and Kamara for a combined £12.25m.
Quote from: mrmicawbers on November 10, 2021, 09:46:31 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 10, 2021, 09:27:59 AM
Quote from: mrmicawbers on November 10, 2021, 08:02:23 AM
I think it's probably somewhere in between those conflicting view points.What is obvious is whatever he does some posters will never give him any credit as it doesn't suit their weary agendas.
I Lways give him credit when it is due. You can check my posts and see that is the case.
I wasn't picking anyone out in particular,just fed up reading these over long posts which keep repeating the same old.
I do understand that and as you know I am one of the most guilty of repeating myself at length and I do apologise ffor that!!!
I think you were right in what you said. So thought it a good opportunity and meant to say i support fulham, i want what is best. If tony does well, brilliant, if he doesn't then I say so. same with the players. seri was dreadful but now is brilliant and i love him for that.
when I see something very wrong, uncorrected I cannot help mysel but speak up.
But your comment IMO remain correct.
Quote from: Dougie on November 10, 2021, 10:34:56 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 10, 2021, 07:18:51 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 10, 2021, 12:55:12 AM
You are embarrassing yourself defending the indefensible, which is the buffoon Tony Khan and massaging his inflated ego will not improve him one bit. My wife has forgotten more about football than TK will ever learn.
Tony Khan took over when the team was 20th in the Championship and has built a team that should finish 2nd in the Championship. He is a fantastic DOF because he keeps the funding tap for players on and recruits better players than he losses.
Tony Khan took over in February 2017. We were firmly in the playoff race at that point, thanks to some amazing signings when Mike Rigg was DoF. TK's first transfer window was Cisse, Fonte and Kamara for a combined £12.25m.
As far as I am aware TK and CK took over recruitment in Summer 2016 at the beginning of Jokanovic's first full season. You may remember SJ's comment at the time about 'some computer guy (CK) does the recruiting'. Rigg was ousted about this time in 2016 when the CM 'train station' saga reared its ugly head. It should be stated, however, that SJ's and Kit Symons's records were very similar with the latter slightly better on a points per game basis during his 2015/16 stewardship.
Isn't Silva on record saying that as soon as Chalobah became available, especially for free that he was going to get him?
Thought they worked together at Watford?
Quote from: toshes mate on November 10, 2021, 02:00:05 PM
As far as I am aware TK and CK took over recruitment in Summer 2016 at the beginning of Jokanovic's first full season. You may remember SJ's comment at the time about 'some computer guy (CK) does the recruiting'. Rigg was ousted about this time in 2016 when the CM 'train station' saga reared its ugly head.
Mike Rigg was Chief Football officer until December 2016, and TK took over as DoF in February 2017. Our best transfer window was 2016, whilst Rigg was at the club. If control was taken away form him five months before he left the club, that's not something I'm aware of.