Nice piece about his impact at Celtic on the BBC website.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60184045
Always liked Matt. Good eye for a pass and very friendly towards the fans. Feels like we've missed out on one here
We aren't doing well bringing through the academy talent are we.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on February 02, 2022, 04:07:11 PM
We aren't doing well bringing through the academy talent are we.
One of the problems when you have a huge squad.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on February 02, 2022, 04:07:11 PM
We aren't doing well bringing through the academy talent are we.
Who is he playing over? TC?
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Quote from: NJFulham on February 02, 2022, 04:15:40 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on February 02, 2022, 04:07:11 PM
We aren't doing well bringing through the academy talent are we.
Who is he playing over? TC?
Could be decent competition for Carvalho. Or he could have taken the backup spot that falls to Chalobah/Onomah.
This is also the kind of attitude that makes me unsympathetic when people start crying and gnashing their teeth about youngsters leaving and how unfair it is, we clearly have no loyalty to them.
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on February 02, 2022, 03:57:07 PM
Always liked Matt. Good eye for a pass and very friendly towards the fans. Feels like we've missed out on one here
Yes thought he had much going for him. I spoke at length to an FFC scout about him - he felt Matt had a real chance of making it ....and looks like he has.
I also like what I've seen from Ollie O'Neill . He reminds me of Sean O'Driscoll the way he drifts past players
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Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on February 02, 2022, 03:57:07 PM
Always liked Matt. Good eye for a pass and very friendly towards the fans. Feels like we've missed out on one here
Yes thought he had much going for him. I spoke at length to an FFC scout about him - he felt Matt had a real chance of making it ....and looks like he has.
I also like what I've seen from Ollie O'Neill . He reminds me of Sean O'Driscoll the way he drifts past players
From what I could gather, O'Riley was most unhappy about Parker insisting that he play in a more defensive midfield role for the under 23s. I don't think bringing him on against Reading and then substituting him before the end did much for their relationship either.
O'Neill's a terrific talent. Not sure if you have seen much of Luke Harris, but he has the potential to be the best player to come through our academy in a long, long time.
i remember him running the show against Wycombe away in the carabao cup
Gossip was that Matt had decided to leave almost a year before he actually did. He didn't seem to have much encouragement to stay.
We shouldn't keep making these mistakes and it could happen again with some of our present talented crop of young U23 players.
There are more are more and more 18/20 year olds making their mark in the top divisions.
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on February 02, 2022, 05:05:36 PM
Gossip was that Matt had decided to leave almost a year before he actually did. He didn't seem to have much encouragement to stay.
We shouldn't keep making these mistakes and it could happen again with some of our present talented crop of young U23 players.
There are more are more and more 18/20 year olds making their mark in the top divisions.
Given that our u23s are currently pissing the league you'd think there would be some talent there.
Quote from: NJFulham on February 02, 2022, 04:15:40 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on February 02, 2022, 04:07:11 PM
We aren't doing well bringing through the academy talent are we.
Who is he playing over? TC?
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As with any youngster coming through thry should be eased into the team gradually or start with a loan to get game time. Neither happened.
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on February 02, 2022, 05:05:36 PM
Gossip was that Matt had decided to leave almost a year before he actually did. He didn't seem to have much encouragement to stay.
We shouldn't keep making these mistakes and it could happen again with some of our present talented crop of young U23 players.
There are more are more and more 18/20 year olds making their mark in the top divisions.
The club is between a rock and a hard place. They absolutely have to get promoted at the first time of asking when relegated, as otherwise FFP issue bites, plus the better players, e.g. Tete, Tosin, Mitro etc may look elsewhere. So on the one hand, other than the absolute gems like Carvalho, most youngsters barely get a look in because we are either carrying bottom end of PL players from our last PL season, or we have bought good players e.g Wilson to help us get promoted. And then when in the PL, we are fighting for our lives so the experienced players get picked. But on the other hand, we are also trying to develop quality players through our academy, which does fairly well for our size and the number of other London area clubs we are competing with, but inevitably some of those will not get many opportunities to prove themselves and may then do well somewhere else, e.g. Adebayo, Woodrow etc.
Basically, it is easier to push young players through when the stakes are not so high, you are mid table etc. I think we have made mistakes with not getting some of the promising ones out on loan enough, where they can get minutes and learn the men's game. It's nice that our U23s have done so well, but would it not be better to get Hilton, Bowie, O'Neill etc out on loan?
O'Riley for.....................Denmark
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/matt-orileys-stunning-celtic-form-23392587
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YygWFirXymc
This from MK but now is dominating the midfield for Celtic
Never forget...
Parker chose to play his love child Onomah over this man....oh and also Harry Arter. We potentially lost out on O'Riley because we gave his place to Josh and Harry in the line up....depressing
Rumour is that Ollie O'Neill is off in the Summer rather than continuing with the club. Another one bites the dust?
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Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on March 17, 2022, 02:27:49 PM
Rumour is that Ollie O'Neill is off in the Summer rather than continuing with the club. Another one bites the dust?
Yep, gone ..
Quote from: bencher on February 02, 2022, 05:30:02 PM
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on February 02, 2022, 05:05:36 PM
Gossip was that Matt had decided to leave almost a year before he actually did. He didn't seem to have much encouragement to stay.
We shouldn't keep making these mistakes and it could happen again with some of our present talented crop of young U23 players.
There are more are more and more 18/20 year olds making their mark in the top divisions.
The club is between a rock and a hard place. They absolutely have to get promoted at the first time of asking when relegated, as otherwise FFP issue bites, plus the better players, e.g. Tete, Tosin, Mitro etc may look elsewhere. So on the one hand, other than the absolute gems like Carvalho, most youngsters barely get a look in because we are either carrying bottom end of PL players from our last PL season, or we have bought good players e.g Wilson to help us get promoted. And then when in the PL, we are fighting for our lives so the experienced players get picked. But on the other hand, we are also trying to develop quality players through our academy, which does fairly well for our size and the number of other London area clubs we are competing with, but inevitably some of those will not get many opportunities to prove themselves and may then do well somewhere else, e.g. Adebayo, Woodrow etc.
Basically, it is easier to push young players through when the stakes are not so high, you are mid table etc. I think we have made mistakes with not getting some of the promising ones out on loan enough, where they can get minutes and learn the men's game. It's nice that our U23s have done so well, but would it not be better to get Hilton, Bowie, O'Neill etc out on loan?
FFP makes it very hard to sign players like Carvalho, who is possibly worth up to £110,000 per week to another club because in three years time he could be sold for more than £20m (i.e. his wages over three years). But FFP wise that would mean we cannot bring in another £110,000 attacking midfielder (e.g. Riyad Mahrez), and we'd have to use Carvalho instead. While the reamaining lifetime value of Fabo Carvalho (20yo) is more than Riyad Mahrez (30yo), the later is more useful over the next 3 years.
Scott Parker decided to employ his brother in law, pushing O'Riley out. The former is now plying his trade in non league.
Scott Parker is the main reason why O'Riley left.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on February 02, 2022, 04:07:11 PM
We aren't doing well bringing through the academy talent are we.
There is an opportunity right now, with Kebano injured for someone in that wide left position, is there anyone up to the task.
Quote from: fulhamfan on February 02, 2022, 05:01:07 PM
i remember him running the show against Wycombe away in the carabao cup
I was at that game and agree. I was disappointed to see him just fade away
We also let Eze go and turned away Declan Rice. Also there is a top quality right back at Forest, Djed Spence, who we also let leave...grr.
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So if we hadn't been so incompetent as to let this young genius go where would he figure in our current set up? Which of our current very strong midfield would he displace?
He's doing quite well at Celtic, having started 6 of the 9 league games in which he has featured, but it's hardly sensational stuff.
The last Academy escapee to pitch up at Parkhead was Pat Robert who actually was something of a sensation there. He is now trying to establish himself at League One Sunderland.
I think it's quite amusing that some get excited by an ex-player's exploits at Celtic, but when mention was made recently of our current player's MoM performances on loan at Hibs (Sylvester Jasper) it was greeted by disparaging sneers about the quality of Scottish football.
Quote from: cmg on March 18, 2022, 12:41:37 PM
So if we hadn't been so incompetent as to let this young genius go where would he figure in our current set up? Which of our current very strong midfield would he displace?
He's doing quite well at Celtic, having started 6 of the 9 league games in which he has featured, but it's hardly sensational stuff.
The last Academy escapee to pitch up at Parkhead was Pat Robert who actually was something of a sensation there. He is now trying to establish himself at League One Sunderland.
I think it's quite amusing that some get excited by an ex-player's exploits at Celtic, but when mention was made recently of our current player's MoM performances on loan at Hibs (Sylvester Jasper) it was greeted by disparaging sneers about the quality of Scottish football.
As others have mentioned - his route to the first team was blocked by Josh Onomah, who Parker brought in on a big wage and who has been a massive disappointment.
In all honesty - I think our central midfield is one of our weakest positions at the moment. O'Riley may not quite have the passing ability of Seri, or the tackling ability and energy of Reed, but I would say that he is probably a better all round player than Chalobah and Onomah. I've also yet to see anything from Cairney to suggest that he is the player he was before the knee injury..
Quote from: bog on March 18, 2022, 11:43:19 AM
We also let Eze go and turned away Declan Rice. Also there is a top quality right back at Forest, Djed Spence, who we also let leave...grr.
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Don't think we turned Declan Rice down. Think he chose West Ham over us.
Let's look at it in a positive light. The Academy and those that run it are producing players who are able to go on and have a career in professional football. The timings not always been right for those players to stay at the club. It's a problem I'm sure the club are aware of and are likely taking future steps to hold on to some of those players. A permanent position in the prem would help.
All businesses, particularly successful ones produce talent that leaves. All our teams seem to be doing well at the moment. I think that shows from the Chairman down, what a talented and successful structure exists at the Club. Long may it continue.
Quote from: Tabby on February 02, 2022, 05:16:47 PM
Given that our u23s are currently pissing the league you'd think there would be some talent there.
I'm sure there is.
But it's League 2 they're top of, not League 1.
Good post I Ronic, above, by the way.
He left because Parker wanted him to play as more of a DM and he disagreed. The lads an attacking player so of course he disagreed. It seems SP cannot be blamed for anything by some on here but if you wanted to blame someone...
Parker, the former Fulham manager, tried to play O'Riley as a 6. In O'Riley's on words, though [The Athletic]: "When you play deeper, you don't have as much licence to go forward. I feel like it was restricting my strengths. I enjoyed it, but it wasn't really how I wanted to play."
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Quote from: bog on March 18, 2022, 11:43:19 AM
We also let Eze go and turned away Declan Rice. Also there is a top quality right back at Forest, Djed Spence, who we also let leave...grr.
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Don't think we turned Declan Rice down. Think he chose West Ham over us.
I saws an interview with the player where he said he was told he would not be taken on by Fulham. :doh:
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Quote from: siffc86 on March 18, 2022, 05:26:09 PM
Quote from: bog on March 18, 2022, 11:43:19 AM
We also let Eze go and turned away Declan Rice. Also there is a top quality right back at Forest, Djed Spence, who we also let leave...grr.
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Don't think we turned Declan Rice down. Think he chose West Ham over us.
I saws an interview with the player where he said he was told he would not be taken on by Fulham. :doh:
He said in an interview about 2 weeks ago, once Chelsea let him go, he had offers from Southampton and Fulham and turned both down for Westham.