I think the last 2 games has shown how much we are reliant of Kebano on the left hand side. He is someone who can pick the ball up and run at defenders moving our play further forward. We don't get that with Bobby Reid and we haven't seen enough of Cavalerio since he's returned. Kebano can put a cross in with his left and right foot meaning we're not reliant on Robinson (who should be dropped for a time) to whip the ball in. Our left side has been very ineffective since he's been on the side-lines.
Lets hope Neeskens is back in time for the QPR game, we really need to bounce back with a big performance.
If he's still out then we have to go with Cavalerio over Bobby (never thought I'd say that again :005:)
Absolutely agree. Kebano is more important to the team than Wilson simply because without him we have zero on the left hand side. At least if Wilson was out we'd have neco or tete behind who can actually lift the ball in the air or Reid who is naturally right sided
He certainly worries defenders more - not only does he run at them - but regularly beats his man
Kebano doesn't look like much of a player, but his statistics tell a story that he might be the 2nd Best Player in the Championship.
When Kebano has started 27 Games, 9 Wins, 6 Draws, 2 Losses, 2.333 Points per Game, = 107.3 Points in 46 Games (EFL 1st)
When Kebano hasn't started 10 Games, 4 Wins, 2 Draws, 4 Losses, 1.4 Points per Game, = 64.4 Points in 46 Games (EFL 10th-11th)
Kebano is possibly the 2nd most effective player (after Mitrovic) in the Championship. Effective means is getting your team to win, and effective is what matters most.
I hope Kebano wins FFC Player of the Year, as he is absolute model football (professional or amateur), even if he is not our best player.
To use an old phrase, last night Kebano was conspicuous by his absents . We have no real replacement for him.
If we are promoted a quality wide left player has to be top of TK's shopping list.
Quote from: filham on March 16, 2022, 10:18:45 AM
To use an old phrase, last night Kebano was conspicuous by his absents . We have no real replacement for him.
If we are promoted a quality wide left player has to be top of TK's shopping list.
We have a quality wide left player in Kebano, but we need some wide attacking midfielder backup for both Wilson and Kebano.
Neeskens has been too-drawer this year, and there's no doubt we're a better side with him in it. BDR is decent, but a bit-part squad player for me
Neeskens has been amazing for a few years. It shows Parker's lack of knowledge and pig headed obstinacy in failing to regularly pick him. We really missed him and so did Mitro.
Kebano is crazy underated at this level I've said it before 😄.
Get the boy back ASAP.
Quote from: Mr K.Dilkington on March 16, 2022, 11:28:57 AM
Kebano is crazy underated at this level I've said it before 😄.
Get the boy back ASAP.
Hope he gets a new contract this summer, believe it comes to an end soon.
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on March 16, 2022, 11:30:38 AM
Quote from: Mr K.Dilkington on March 16, 2022, 11:28:57 AM
Kebano is crazy underated at this level I've said it before 😄.
Get the boy back ASAP.
Hope he gets a new contract this summer, believe it comes to an end soon.
He is certainly a useful squad player even in the prem so we really should reward him for this years performance and generally so
I think it's more the fact that BDR is too slow and unable to take on and beat the full back that's more the issue than anything. When Cav came on, unsurpisingly we instantly had more joy down the left, caused them issues and created chances. BDR just doesn't have that burst of pace to beat his man and put a cross in like Kebano or Cav. As a result it makes us slower and lop sided as we rely on the right wing to do all of the hard work, and teams already know Wilson is the best winger in the league so will double up on him as soon as he gets the ball.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 16, 2022, 10:09:20 AM
Kebano doesn't look like much of a player, but his statistics tell a story that he might be the 2nd Best Player in the Championship.
When Kebano has started 27 Games, 9 Wins, 6 Draws, 2 Losses, 2.333 Points per Game, = 107.3 Points in 46 Games (EFL 1st)
When Kebano hasn't started 10 Games, 4 Wins, 2 Draws, 4 Losses, 1.4 Points per Game, = 64.4 Points in 46 Games (EFL 10th-11th)
Kebano is possibly the 2nd most effective player (after Mitrovic) in the Championship. Effective means is getting your team to win, and effective is what matters most.
I hope Kebano wins FFC Player of the Year, as he is absolute model football (professional or amateur), even if he is not our best player.
If those Kebano starting numbers are correct, that's 33 points from 17, or a bit under 2 per match, but still likely to win the Champ at that pace.
It also underscores that we need to add a LW for next season, hopefully one who is better than Kebano, but at the very least one who is better than our current alternatives to Kebano.
I really rate Neeskins, but, one player doesn't make a team.
Kebano has been with the club since 2016 without setting the world alight, apart from a few games and some important goals at the of the 2020 promotion season....until this season, when his presence in the starting line up cannot be understated. We have missed him hugely these last two games. I would rather have seen Cav deputise. He is a more natural winger than BDR and I'm not a big fan of playing players out of their natural position, particularly when others are available. Despite the good performances from Kebano I believe we should look to upgrade if and when we reach the Premier League.
Quote from: blingo on March 16, 2022, 05:54:52 PM
I really rate Neeskins, but, one player doesn't make a team.
Of course not but one player can make a difference.
Quote from: filham on March 16, 2022, 06:38:36 PM
Quote from: blingo on March 16, 2022, 05:54:52 PM
I really rate Neeskins, but, one player doesn't make a team.
Of course not but one player can make a difference.
GEEEERA
Quote from: filham on March 16, 2022, 06:38:36 PM
Quote from: blingo on March 16, 2022, 05:54:52 PM
I really rate Neeskins, but, one player doesn't make a team.
Of course not but one player can make a difference.
He may or may not have made a difference in our last two games. We will never know.
I do not believe that you get the full benefit of Neeskins when Robinson plays at wing back.
Lets get him back asap and we'll see if one man can make a difference. The common opinion here seems to be he will. will he be ready to light up Loftus Road for us?
Exactly all of the above.
He gives us balance and is the only player in the squad who can play successfully in his position.
A big part of kabano and our game now is to widen their defence with kabano drifting very wide, unlike wilson who will more often come deep and short for a pass. BDR is more like wilson on the fact he'll drop deep to collect the ball but doesnt get in behind, I'd prefer to see cavaleiro as the kabano back up (as he will drift and run in behind) and BDR as the wilson back up.
Also BDR definitely struggles being right footed on the left wing, cavaleiro enjoys this being a little quicker footed to cut inside. We certainly looked more of a threat when the sub was made.
Quote from: Jims Dentist on March 17, 2022, 08:21:04 PM
Exactly all of the above.
He gives us balance and is the only player in the squad who can play successfully in his position.
Next time Kebano is out, i wouldn't mind seeing Carvalho playing on the left, with Cairney or Bobby as the #10 (probably Tom).
Quote from: Denver Fulham on March 16, 2022, 05:42:09 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 16, 2022, 10:09:20 AM
Kebano doesn't look like much of a player, but his statistics tell a story that he might be the 2nd Best Player in the Championship.
When Kebano has started 27 Games, 19 Wins, 6 Draws, 2 Losses, 2.333 Points per Game, = 107.3 Points in 46 Games (EFL 1st)
When Kebano hasn't started 10 Games, 4 Wins, 2 Draws, 4 Losses, 1.4 Points per Game, = 64.4 Points in 46 Games (EFL 10th-11th)
Kebano is possibly the 2nd most effective player (after Mitrovic) in the Championship. Effective means is getting your team to win, and effective is what matters most.
I hope Kebano wins FFC Player of the Year, as he is absolute model football (professional or amateur), even if he is not our best player.
If those Kebano starting numbers are correct, that's 33 points from 17, or a bit under 2 per match, but still likely to win the Champ at that pace. It also underscores that we need to add a LW for next season, hopefully one who is better than Kebano, but at the very least one who is better than our current alternatives to Kebano.
Sorry for my mistake, Kebano has started in 19 wins out of 27 games, Kebano has an amazing 63 points from 27 games, which means 88 points would take him 38 games.
Kebano massively fails the eye test in terms of being one of the best players in the Championship ever, but statistically, only a few players in the history of the Championship have managed the "2.33 Points per Game" and even less have managed a differential of 0.85 points per game of starting vs non-starting.
Kebano over Reid is statically one of the biggest upgrades in the history of the championship in terms of getting points. I'll admit using the "eye test" I see an upgrade with Kebano over Reid but it's not huge, but statistically playing with Kebano over Reid is almost as great as having an extra player on the field. Let's not underestimate Kebano, he is effective in a team.
Quote from: Jims Dentist on March 17, 2022, 08:21:04 PM
Exactly all of the above.
He gives us balance and is the only player in the squad who can play successfully in his position.
Cavaleiro has returned to the squad and has been quite effective off the bench.
Need to ditch using BDR there and start using Cavaleiro when Kebano isn't fit.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 18, 2022, 06:57:48 AM
Quote from: Denver Fulham on March 16, 2022, 05:42:09 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 16, 2022, 10:09:20 AM
Kebano doesn't look like much of a player, but his statistics tell a story that he might be the 2nd Best Player in the Championship.
When Kebano has started 27 Games, 19 Wins, 6 Draws, 2 Losses, 2.333 Points per Game, = 107.3 Points in 46 Games (EFL 1st)
When Kebano hasn't started 10 Games, 4 Wins, 2 Draws, 4 Losses, 1.4 Points per Game, = 64.4 Points in 46 Games (EFL 10th-11th)
Kebano is possibly the 2nd most effective player (after Mitrovic) in the Championship. Effective means is getting your team to win, and effective is what matters most.
I hope Kebano wins FFC Player of the Year, as he is absolute model football (professional or amateur), even if he is not our best player.
If those Kebano starting numbers are correct, that's 33 points from 17, or a bit under 2 per match, but still likely to win the Champ at that pace. It also underscores that we need to add a LW for next season, hopefully one who is better than Kebano, but at the very least one who is better than our current alternatives to Kebano.
Sorry for my mistake, Kebano has started in 19 wins out of 27 games, Kebano has an amazing 63 points from 27 games, which means 88 points would take him 38 games.
Kebano massively fails the eye test in terms of being one of the best players in the Championship ever, but statistically, only a few players in the history of the Championship have managed the "2.33 Points per Game" and even less have managed a differential of 0.85 points per game of starting vs non-starting.
Kebano over Reid is statically one of the biggest upgrades in the history of the championship in terms of getting points. I'll admit using the "eye test" I see an upgrade with Kebano over Reid but it's not huge, but statistically playing with Kebano over Reid is almost as great as having an extra player on the field. Let's not underestimate Kebano, he is effective in a team.
Given the very small sample size (statistically speaking) and the abundance of factors that goes into determining the outcome of a game I would be very careful with drawing conclusions such as the ones above. I would argue that Kebano is far from being one of the best players in the Chamionship ever, although that is of course a subjective opinion (even though most other statistics back me up quite strongly). That doesn't mean that in this particular team his contributions are not a big part of our success, but the analysis above completely fails to understand that football is a team game.