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Fingers crossed
A real clear out is being attempted.
I'd stick Chalobah in that category, he's been awful, like to see win, lose or draw stats when he's started. Gives away a lot of free kicks.
Quote from: rebel on May 24, 2022, 03:38:52 PM
I'd stick Chalobah in that category, he's been awful, like to see win, lose or draw stats when he's started. Gives away a lot of free kicks.
I tend to agree with you but remember Silva brought him here so he may be given more time.
Quote from: filham on May 24, 2022, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: rebel on May 24, 2022, 03:38:52 PM
I'd stick Chalobah in that category, he's been awful, like to see win, lose or draw stats when he's started. Gives away a lot of free kicks.
I tend to agree with you but remember Silva brought him here so he may be given more time.
Chalobah to Silva, has that Onomah to Parker vibe to him. Has plenty of promise and ability, so think he's still absolutely fine for this squad. Appreciate he's been frustrating at times but he also showed really good moments too. Maybe a settled pre season and now embedded into club will help him prosper next season.
How much will we have to pay their new clubs? We could have a whip round.
We will have massive issues trying to offload these three players we must be paying knocks and cav 40k a week and josh got to be on 20k so a 100k a week on these 3 🤦♂️
I doubt we'll get hardly anything in terms of transfer fees for these 3. Could them going out on loan with some of their wages paid by the loanee club. How much longer are they tied to FFC?
I'm not sure you could even give Knockaert away, Cavs definately championship at best and Onomah showed real potential at one point but don't know what happened to him, could be a case of a severe lack of playing time....
I'll always love him for that goal against Leeds
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on May 24, 2022, 03:54:44 PM
We will have massive issues trying to offload these three players we must be paying knocks and cav 40k a week and josh got to be on 20k so a 100k a week on these 3 🤦♂️
Knockaert looks to be on 35k a week and Ivan looks to be around £24k so not great but a loan out and covering say half wages is still appealing.
Quote from: rebel on May 24, 2022, 03:38:52 PM
I'd stick Chalobah in that category, he's been awful, like to see win, lose or draw stats when he's started. Gives away a lot of free kicks.
Totally agree. I posted that name on a separate board as an addition to go in my book.
Quote from: FFC1987 on May 24, 2022, 04:02:12 PM
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on May 24, 2022, 03:54:44 PM
We will have massive issues trying to offload these three players we must be paying knocks and cav 40k a week and josh got to be on 20k so a 100k a week on these 3 🤦♂️
Knockaert looks to be on 35k a week and Ivan looks to be around £24k so not great but a loan out and covering say half wages is still appealing.
those salaries are eye watering for those players. Terrible signings for quite big money as well.
Hopefully we'll get some takers. Knockaert may be particularly hard to shift.
Chalobah and Onomah broadly fulfil the same role, which will hopefully be to back up our strong new DM (Musrati?). We don't need both players, but they may add squad depth.
Knockaert tries hard but whilst I appreciate that, he just has not been a good fit for us. If we can ship him out we should, even if we end up paying 50% of his wages. He doesn't fit how we play but he deserves to be playing somewhere.
I wouldn't be too quick to move Cavaleiro out; he could definitely do a job as a substitute winger if he stays fit. He's no world beater, but he is easily better as an emergency option on the wing than BDR. I'm wary of replacing squad players just for the sake of it.
Quote from: rebel on May 24, 2022, 03:38:52 PM
I'd stick Chalobah in that category, he's been awful, like to see win, lose or draw stats when he's started. Gives away a lot of free kicks.
And Gazza
Buy one and get two free, perhaps.
Quality is what we need. We need a creative team, anything less, then we will struggle.
Quote from: FFC1987 on May 24, 2022, 03:44:11 PM
Quote from: filham on May 24, 2022, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: rebel on May 24, 2022, 03:38:52 PM
I'd stick Chalobah in that category, he's been awful, like to see win, lose or draw stats when he's started. Gives away a lot of free kicks.
I tend to agree with you but remember Silva brought him here so he may be given more time.
Chalobah to Silva, has that Onomah to Parker vibe to him. Has plenty of promise and ability, so think he's still absolutely fine for this squad. Appreciate he's been frustrating at times but he also showed really good moments too. Maybe a settled pre season and now embedded into club will help him prosper next season.
Except Chalobah was on the verge of playing regularly for England before his injury and loss of confidence, there is a good player in there.
Fantastic move from the club. For once it seems they're seeing eye to eye with the fans! I would basically let them go if any offer is received.
As for chalobah I would keep. Think he's better suited to the prem
Quote from: toshes mate on May 24, 2022, 04:42:21 PM
Buy one and get two free, perhaps.
Depressing isn't it. Frankly all quite hard to shift anyway but especially given their relatively big wages..
You can't lump Chalobah in with the other three, he is streets ahead of them.
I think given a full preseason injury free we will start to see a bit more from him. He definitely needs to produce more, but I also think he is definitely capable of it and I expect him to be pushing Reed this coming season.
Onomah has got Sunderland written all over him. Such a shame, because the potential is there but he just doesn't produce it.
Quote from: Surlyc on May 24, 2022, 04:19:31 PM
Chalobah and Onomah broadly fulfil the same role,
They look alike and have similar names but one is on the DM side of CM and the other on the AM side. It shous in their playing stats on e.g whoscored.com. Josh had a goal involvement every 201 minutes he played (1 + 3), which was a better ratio than TC or Serii, though on too low a base for that to mean much. But Chalobah had 0+1 in more playing time (and Reed 0+2 in much more playing time) but were expected to bring more to the party defensively. Fair to want better than both of the players you mention, but they really aren't all that similar.
someone said they would keep ivan for squad depth.Its funny im building a new shed base and i would not consider putting him init as i dont think he would add anthing to the concrete.
Quote from: rebel on May 24, 2022, 03:38:52 PM
I'd stick Chalobah in that category, he's been awful, like to see win, lose or draw stats when he's started. Gives away a lot of free kicks.
So would I !!
nocky is on 40k and cav is on 35k aweek, we would get if lucky 5k a week.No one with the amount of players out of contract would buy them.In fact we would get more money for ivan the terribles loud velvet evening jacket he wears.
Quote from: MickTheBeard on May 24, 2022, 07:15:55 PM
nocky is on 40k and cav is on 35k aweek, we would get if lucky 5k a week.No one with the amount of players out of contract would buy them.In fact we would get more money for ivan the terribles loud velvet evening jacket he wears.
This made me laugh way more than it should have!
Quote from: bobby01 on May 24, 2022, 06:01:49 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on May 24, 2022, 03:44:11 PM
Quote from: filham on May 24, 2022, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: rebel on May 24, 2022, 03:38:52 PM
I'd stick Chalobah in that category, he's been awful, like to see win, lose or draw stats when he's started. Gives away a lot of free kicks.
I tend to agree with you but remember Silva brought him here so he may be given more time.
Chalobah to Silva, has that Onomah to Parker vibe to him. Has plenty of promise and ability, so think he's still absolutely fine for this squad. Appreciate he's been frustrating at times but he also showed really good moments too. Maybe a settled pre season and now embedded into club will help him prosper next season.
Except Chalobah was on the verge of playing regularly for England before his injury and loss of confidence, there is a good player in there.
He's had he's moments, but he's looked way off the pace, his idea of a 'tackle' is to push players over. Macro even subbed him at half time in one match. In one match he kept giving the ball away, I lost count of the number of times. You want some consistency, 4 / 5 matches.
We've wasted massive wages in recent years. At the expense of our youth development. Christie instead of Spence/Fossey, Cav and Knock instead of Jasper/Adebayo, Onomah instead of Hilton/O'Riley.
Quote from: vancouver on May 24, 2022, 07:50:27 PM
We've wasted massive wages in recent years. At the expense of our youth development. Christie instead of Spence/Fossey, Cav and Knock instead of Jasper/Adebayo, Onomah instead of Hilton/O'Riley.
Spence was released before we signed Christie & Fossey has been injured so much that's a pointless comparison, Adebayo is a striker and not a winger and Jasper is playing for a mid table Scottish Premiership team so not really sure he's much of a loss. O'Riley leaving is purely down to SP rather than transfers so can't really blame the club, more the idiot in charge of the team
This will be a big overhaul. Good.
I've always thought our side needed a lot more size and quality for the Prem.
If we can get any kind of fee for them then surely we do it. I'd let Cav and Knockhaert move on for free if we have to. Maybe keep Onomah as emergency depth if there are no suitors as I believe him being English helps us with premier league squad rules.
What kind of offer could we possibly get for Cav ? I wouldn't trust him to put my bins out, he'd fall over doing it and put them in the wrong place every time.
Knoc on the other hand would at least get them to the right place but would then fail to understand what he is meant to do with them once in the right place.
Chalobar is way off the mark too at the moment, so maybe if we can afford give him six months to make it or make way.
If we play any of the three of them next season then you know we are struggling.
Quote from: b+w geezer on May 24, 2022, 06:53:43 PM
Quote from: Surlyc on May 24, 2022, 04:19:31 PM
Chalobah and Onomah broadly fulfil the same role,
They look alike and have similar names but one is on the DM side of CM and the other on the AM side. It shous in their playing stats on e.g whoscored.com. Josh had a goal involvement every 201 minutes he played (1 + 3), which was a better ratio than TC or Serii, though on too low a base for that to mean much. But Chalobah had 0+1 in more playing time (and Reed 0+2 in much more playing time) but were expected to bring more to the party defensively. Fair to want better than both of the players you mention, but they really aren't all that similar.
I don't disagree, but I meant they were broadly the same in that the primary attribute they bring is their physicality. Reed plays in front of Chalobah and behind Onomah for the reasons you stated, but in both midfields Chalobah/Onomah bring strength and size that Reed lacks.
Knockheart, Onoma and Cav., at the best we are going to see some bench warming from Cav and what is their combined wages for the season. Obviously they will not move unless a similar wage offer comes along, what a problem for the club.
Quick question about Chalobah - did he ever used to play CB for Watford back in the day? For some reason I have a vague recollection of this but can't be certain
Quote from: FFC In Oz on May 25, 2022, 11:03:58 AM
Quick question about Chalobah - did he ever used to play CB for Watford back in the day? For some reason I have a vague recollection of this but can't be certain
Not sure but I think you could be right. In which case with him and BDR on the bench just about all positions are covered for injury.
Knocky has underwhelmed from Day 1 and may prove difficult to shift. Cavaleiro I have a softer spot for, but clearly not a starter next season. Onomah similar - what he did to Marlon Pack in the play off semi will stay in my memory for a while yet.
Chalobah needs a different midfield set up. And we may well see that come about. Thinking back to our seasons of success, the midfield revolved around a double act where Danny ran the entire show, bossed everyone around and dragged the team by the scruff of the neck. To do that he needed an enforcer who combined menace, athleticism and a willingness to stick to the script, which basically ran: Danny won't be more than 5 yards away, so pass it to him. The player we have to best fit a Dickson Mk2 role would be Chalobah. Football's moved on a bit since then, but only a bit and a team with a plan can be difficult to score against.
Appreciate that Dickson wasn't everyone's cup of tea. But I have a pet theory that the team with the most conspicuously scary person on the pitch tend to win at least as much as they lose. That would do for next season.
Knock and Cav:
Length of contracts, transfer fees and wages:
What an almighty balls up..
Sure not too significant for someone's dad to pay out.
Although a big problem for FFC with ongoing FFP restrictions.
Right on Cav is completely useless. He is the worst player we have had for years.No one will want him.
Best suggestion I have heard is sticking that suit on him and getting him to be Billy the Badger, it will be the most pitch time he has had in years.
Quote from: clarkey on May 26, 2022, 04:29:33 PM
Right on Cav is completely useless. He is the worst player we have had for years.No one will want him.
Best suggestion I have heard is sticking that suit on him and getting him to be Billy the Badger, it will be the most pitch time he has had in years.
Why do you hate him so much and reference him in 90% of your posts? He's not objectively or subjectively the worst player in our squad at the minute, let alone over the last few years
Quote from: Deeping_white on May 26, 2022, 04:34:22 PM
Quote from: clarkey on May 26, 2022, 04:29:33 PM
Right on Cav is completely useless. He is the worst player we have had for years.No one will want him.
Best suggestion I have heard is sticking that suit on him and getting him to be Billy the Badger, it will be the most pitch time he has had in years.
Why do you hate him so much and reference him in 90% of your posts? He's not objectively or subjectively the worst player in our squad at the minute, let alone over the last few years
I witnessed the two great solo effort goals he scored at Huddersfield at the start of the season, and he's done well this season when he's played.
I don't mind Cav, just so long as I never see him playing as a number 9 ever again
Quote from: MartyFFC on May 26, 2022, 07:47:10 PM
I don't mind Cav, just so long as I never see him playing as a number 9 ever again
That's right. The poor guy got shafted by Parker who tried to convert him to a central striker. He may not be the greatest winger but he's not the worst either.
Quote from: RaySmith on May 26, 2022, 04:58:03 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on May 26, 2022, 04:34:22 PM
Quote from: clarkey on May 26, 2022, 04:29:33 PM
Right on Cav is completely useless. He is the worst player we have had for years.No one will want him.
Best suggestion I have heard is sticking that suit on him and getting him to be Billy the Badger, it will be the most pitch time he has had in years.
Why do you hate him so much and reference him in 90% of your posts? He's not objectively or subjectively the worst player in our squad at the minute, let alone over the last few years
I witnessed the two great solo effort goals he scored at Huddersfield at the start of the season, and he's done well this season when he's played.
To be fair I don't think any attacking players really stood out for us under Parker. The fact Mitro scored so many is just testament to him. I'll trust Marco on whether Cavs good enough or not.
Twig said -"That's right. The poor guy got shafted by Parker who tried to convert him to a central striker. He may not be the greatest winger but he's not the worst either."
Blawarmy said "To be fair I don't think any attacking players really stood out for us under Parker. The fact Mitro scored so many is just testament to him. I'll trust Marco on whether Cavs good enough or not."
Both quotes are top , top top and real quality
Quote from: perry geyton on May 24, 2022, 03:59:11 PM
I'm not sure you could even give Knockaert away, Cavs definately championship at best and Onomah showed real potential at one point but don't know what happened to him, could be a case of a severe lack of playing time....
I'll always love him for that goal against Leeds
Parker happened to him
Quote from: Cheese and Brede on May 26, 2022, 09:01:56 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on May 24, 2022, 03:59:11 PM
I'm not sure you could even give Knockaert away, Cavs definately championship at best and Onomah showed real potential at one point but don't know what happened to him, could be a case of a severe lack of playing time....
I'll always love him for that goal against Leeds
Parker happened to him
Yes he was well and truly Parkered
I think we'll have to offer Knockaert at a knockdown price.
Quote from: cottage expat on May 26, 2022, 10:18:42 PM
I think we'll have to offer Knockaert at a knockdown price.
I have a hard time seeing a scenario where Fulham are not paying for him to play somewhere else this season. The question is how much of the roughly 5 million he counts against the books for 2022-23 can they get another team to take on? If the club can get half of it gone, that would be good business in my estimation.
If we are that keen to get them out we may need to consider cancelling their contracts and letting them go if there are no offers.
Quote from: cookieg on May 27, 2022, 06:18:51 AM
If we are that keen to get them out we may need to consider cancelling their contracts and letting them go if there are no offers.
How do we cancel a contract, unl;ess we make a generous offer to the player and he accepts? Surely a contract is just that, a contract?
Quote from: Twig on May 27, 2022, 07:47:54 AM
Quote from: cookieg on May 27, 2022, 06:18:51 AM
If we are that keen to get them out we may need to consider cancelling their contracts and letting them go if there are no offers.
How do we cancel a contract, unl;ess we make a generous offer to the player and he accepts? Surely a contract is just that, a contract?
It may be the case we let them go on a free if someone is willing to take them and that allows them to pay the player a higher salary.
Or if no one is willing to buy and it suits us to keep them on the books for FFP reasons we just loan them out until the contracts end?
Either way it's going to be tricky finding a club you is willing and the player fancies signing for, against staying in London on a fat salary for another season.
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on May 27, 2022, 02:45:43 PM
Quote from: Twig on May 27, 2022, 07:47:54 AM
Quote from: cookieg on May 27, 2022, 06:18:51 AM
If we are that keen to get them out we may need to consider cancelling their contracts and letting them go if there are no offers.
How do we cancel a contract, unl;ess we make a generous offer to the player and he accepts? Surely a contract is just that, a contract?
It may be the case we let them go on a free if someone is willing to take them and that allows them to pay the player a higher salary.
Or if no one is willing to buy and it suits us to keep them on the books for FFP reasons we just loan them out until the contracts end?
Either way it's going to be tricky finding a club you is willing and the player fancies signing for, against staying in London on a fat salary for another season.
That's my point, we can't just cancel a contract. In fact we can't even force a player to accept a free transfer. If it's mutually agreed then fine, but the player has a contract with FFC and if they require us to honour it we are legally bound to do so.
Top quality HR knowledge from Twig
Quote from: MartyFFC on May 26, 2022, 07:47:10 PM
I don't mind Cav, just so long as I never see him playing as a number 9 ever again
The only bit I'd take issue with is; "as a number nine". It's not needed in the sentence as far as I'm concerned.
The only problem is we pay 35 thousand a week to Ivan the terrible land lean back over the top knocks wait for it 40grand a week.Obviously your leader not mine paid them miles to much money and their not even premiership quality I can't think who would pay them 5 grand aweek.No wonder we have been close to the wind with fair play.It's no wonder we can't pay greedy agents extra money when to pay them clowns off could cost the club 3.5 mil to get rid, and we mustn't forget getting kongolo fit will be fun. I heard a funny Fulham joke the other day,tony has sent the scouts around all the a&e hospitals looking for the next centre half's to play for Fulham.
Where ever they go, I will drive them there myself
I would keep Cav but clear out the other two.
I think we need early signings though to get the ball rolling and allow the gel to set early.
Quote from: ron on May 28, 2022, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: MartyFFC on May 26, 2022, 07:47:10 PM
I don't mind Cav, just so long as I never see him playing as a number 9 ever again
The only bit I'd take issue with is; "as a number nine". It's not needed in the sentence as far as I'm concerned.
Both Cav and Knock had a few good games and scored a few good goals on there arrival but neither has done anything outstanding since.
The fact that Cav. was given chances as the central striker is neither here nor there, his performances in the wide or central positions were about the same.