I've been trying to log in to Now TV to buy a day pass to watch the game, but it won't let me. I'm in France, but using a VPN. Anyone else had problems with this?
I am in the UK and no problems here with it.
You need to change the UK server, until you find one that works, the providers have info on VPN so it will not always work.
Speaking of NOWTV, there's a very good deal for one day of Sky Sports , but then 8 months free (but for a mobile phone only)
https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/now-tv-sports-day-mobile-month-membership-3987351
Just popped up today
Quote from: Cutler on August 27, 2022, 05:50:17 PM
You need to change the UK server, until you find one that works, the providers have info on VPN so it will not always work.
Thanks! I've tried a few, but it seems to somewhat negate the point of VPNs if they can be recognised!
Absolutely awful first half. At least he can only improve...Thank goodness for Leno..
Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 27, 2022, 06:41:40 PM
Absolutely awful first half. At least he can only improve...Thank goodness for Leno..
Own goal by him now
He's the weak link.. needs to be dropped. But for who?
How is that not a penalty
He was dreadful first half but that goal wasn't his fault. He does seem to have improved this half.
He's looked pretty shaky most of the season.
He can't be far off getting dropped.
I don't get the hype around him. He's just crap, Tim clearing up for him all over the pitch...
And now Diop on...🙏
First half started out with Kebano back in the lineup which was great to see. Fulham just can't afford anymore long term injuies. It also saw Tosin starting out on shaky ground leaving fans wondering if he's head was even in the game. He seemed to recover and put an important foot in several times helping to keep the score line at zeros for all.
Ream gave a bit of a scary moment when he got a knee to the lower back following a good tackle in the Fulham box. Ream is not one to go down and roll around so to see him go down and grab his lower back put an uneasy feeling in my belly. Luckily Ream got back up and got back to it.
I love Palhinha as he brings some much-needed physicality to the midfield. With that said now that he has gotten three yellow cards in four games, he seems to be on track to get 10 and a suspension by mid-October.
Second half saw Arsenal come out guns a blazing and looking to score at any minute. Yet in the 56th minute Arsenal while trying to play out of the back allowed Mitro to nip the ball and get the opening goal. It was an unbelievable moment.
Sadly, having the lead only lasted till the 63rd minute. Leno was having a fantastic game and did manage to get a hand to the ball, but it just wasn't enough to stop Odegaard from scoring the equalizer. Then another followed by an 85th minute scramble in the box to give Arsenal the lead.
In the end it was a very entertaining game that left my blood pressure in a very bad place. But that's football for you.
Did arsenhole just win the champions league final....muppets
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on August 27, 2022, 07:26:58 PM
Did arsenhole just win the champions league final....muppets
They know they have been in a game.
They really are jumping out of control aren't they?
We had a clear penalty, their player blocked it with their arm on the line.
Tete was class, I would have liked to see him stay on. Leno had a good game, as did Ream and Robinson. Tosin has made a few mistakes in the last few games.
Our lack of squad depth cost us today. We deserved something from the game
We played well, unlucky with 2 fluke goals.
No complaints from me, we put in a great shift but Arsenal were clearly the better team. We do need reinforcements urgently if we are to be fully competitive in this division.
Big gap, we played well.
Foul on Leno from the corner all day long, how can VAR not see that.
At least we aren't Boremouth fans.
Overall, the better side won the 3 points, that being said, the reason they won were the poor substitutions and the timing of it all. Tete was on fire, Mbabu was just smoked. Diop looks so out of depth, Duffy if anyone should have come on...but really Andreas should not have come off. The substitutions should have been made at the 80+ minute mark.. all done far too early.
All in all we held our own against one of the best teams in the league. I'm proud of the lads!
Cup final, unbeaten record was under threat.
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 27, 2022, 07:30:53 PM
Overall, the better side won the 3 points, that being said, the reason they won were the poor substitutions and the timing of it all. Tete was on fire, Mbabu was just smoked. Diop looks so out of depth, Duffy if anyone should have come on...but really Andreas should not have come off. The substitutions should have been made at the 80+ minute mark.. all done far too early.
All in all we held our own against one of the best teams in the league. I'm proud of the lads!
What did Diop do wrong?
Played well put in a shift unfortunate to concede equaliser Arsenal were relieved to win if there top of the league we matched them especially as we don't even have our strongest team available yet. COYW
Quote from: Ss12white on August 27, 2022, 07:30:12 PM
Big gap, we played well.
There is but Arsenal aren't a team we are going to be competing against to stay up. Theyve had to work hard for that 3 points.
I wish people wouldn't use these childish names for other football clubs tbh. But they were in a game and they knew it.
Kebano, just kept running, could of easily passed to Pereira to try to score.
I only heard it on Radio 5. We gave a good account of ourselves and it was sad we didn't hang on but the result was to be expected if we are honest. Now we MUST win against Brighton on Tuesday to keep the positive momentum going.
What an annoying commentator on the Radio. Didn't even confirm that Mitro had scored unbtil the kick off yet you'd have thought he'd won the lottery for the 2 Arsenal goals. And with Charlie Adams who uses one word in 10 from the English language. Piss poor coverage.
Now for Tuesday. COYW
I mean considering how much arsenal have dominated and put teams to the sword I thought everyone did phenomenally today in Fulham colours. They all put in a real shift. Tete's one on one defending was great. Tosin did have some shaky moments in the first half but given arsenal's attacking ability and play I think that's understandable. He also made a few good last ditch tackles.
Shame not to get a point and it'll be interesting to see what Marco was so upset about but I thought the team did themselves proud today.
We desperately need more depth up front though. How we haven't yet is very puzzling.
Also noticed Bryan wasn't on the bench today. Nod to him. Hopefully we're not going to let him go unless we have a player in to replace him.
Mitro gets injured and we're buggered.
Did feel Tete coming off lost us an edge. Mbabu didn't do a lot wrong but arsenal were getting a lot more luck down than side when he came on.
Can't be too mad about the result. Some bad performances but a loss away to the in form team of the division is understandable.
Bring on Brighton.
Quote from: alfie on August 27, 2022, 07:31:43 PM
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 27, 2022, 07:30:53 PM
Overall, the better side won the 3 points, that being said, the reason they won were the poor substitutions and the timing of it all. Tete was on fire, Mbabu was just smoked. Diop looks so out of depth, Duffy if anyone should have come on...but really Andreas should not have come off. The substitutions should have been made at the 80+ minute mark.. all done far too early.
All in all we held our own against one of the best teams in the league. I'm proud of the lads!
What did Diop do wrong?
Service resumed from Crawley. He was very fortunate others were around him, seemed a bit lost to include for the corner and a few almost chances right down the middle for Arsenal. He absolutely has potential, but after Crawley, was this really the right game to bring him in? Probably not. That said, I should be more kind. He's a giant of a defender, and with the right training at Motspur Park, he can improve massively.
Quote from: General on August 27, 2022, 07:32:51 PM
I mean considering how much arsenal have dominated and put teams to the sword I thought everyone did phenomenally today in Fulham colours. They all put in a real shift. Tete's one on one defending was great. Tosin did have some shaky moments in the first half but given arsenal's attacking ability and play I think that's understandable. He also made a few good last ditch tackles.
Shame not to get a point and it'll be interesting to see what Marco was so upset about but I thought the team did themselves proud today.
We desperately need more depth up front though. How we haven't yet is very puzzling.
Also noticed Bryan wasn't on the bench today. Nod to him. Hopefully we're not going to let him go unless we have a player in to replace him.
Mitro gets injured and we're buggered.
I can't believe no one has seen the penalty we should have had. My guess is Marco Silva is upset about that
Heaven help us if any of our starting 4 defenders pull up an injury.
And I think Harrison Reed's skill set is the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOW bar for what should be expected from him. He's not going to win any balls in the air, he's not going to finish and he's not going to open up the middle of the pitch.
Think he's a good squad player...but that's it. imo
Thought Robinson was great after the first 15 minutes. MOTM imo.
Quote from: alfie on August 27, 2022, 07:31:43 PM
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 27, 2022, 07:30:53 PM
Overall, the better side won the 3 points, that being said, the reason they won were the poor substitutions and the timing of it all. Tete was on fire, Mbabu was just smoked. Diop looks so out of depth, Duffy if anyone should have come on...but really Andreas should not have come off. The substitutions should have been made at the 80+ minute mark.. all done far too early.
All in all we held our own against one of the best teams in the league. I'm proud of the lads!
What did Diop do wrong?
I wouldn't mind knowing that too?
Was a good game, we played bloody well and competed which is all that we can ask isn't it? If we continue to compete like this we will have no problem at all. I firmly believe that.
Mitro still can't do it in the Premier League though, eh?
Quote from: LC on August 27, 2022, 07:34:54 PM
Quote from: General on August 27, 2022, 07:32:51 PM
I mean considering how much arsenal have dominated and put teams to the sword I thought everyone did phenomenally today in Fulham colours. They all put in a real shift. Tete's one on one defending was great. Tosin did have some shaky moments in the first half but given arsenal's attacking ability and play I think that's understandable. He also made a few good last ditch tackles.
Shame not to get a point and it'll be interesting to see what Marco was so upset about but I thought the team did themselves proud today.
We desperately need more depth up front though. How we haven't yet is very puzzling.
Also noticed Bryan wasn't on the bench today. Nod to him. Hopefully we're not going to let him go unless we have a player in to replace him.
Mitro gets injured and we're buggered.
I can't believe no one has seen the penalty we should have had. My guess is Marco Silva is upset about that
To be honest I didn't see it.
Quote from: LC on August 27, 2022, 07:34:54 PM
Quote from: General on August 27, 2022, 07:32:51 PM
I mean considering how much arsenal have dominated and put teams to the sword I thought everyone did phenomenally today in Fulham colours. They all put in a real shift. Tete's one on one defending was great. Tosin did have some shaky moments in the first half but given arsenal's attacking ability and play I think that's understandable. He also made a few good last ditch tackles.
Shame not to get a point and it'll be interesting to see what Marco was so upset about but I thought the team did themselves proud today.
We desperately need more depth up front though. How we haven't yet is very puzzling.
Also noticed Bryan wasn't on the bench today. Nod to him. Hopefully we're not going to let him go unless we have a player in to replace him.
Mitro gets injured and we're buggered.
I can't believe no one has seen the penalty we should have had. My guess is Marco Silva is upset about that
Honestly I missed it, what happened? I watched the game and I didn't even catch it.... and the commentary team didn't mention it at all from my stream.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 27, 2022, 07:35:17 PM
Heaven help us if any of our starting 4 defenders pull up an injury.
And I think Harrison Reed's skill set is the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOW bar for what should be expected from him. He's not going to win any balls in the air, he's not going to finish and he's not going to open up the middle of the pitch.
Think he's a good squad player...but that's it. imo
Thought Robinson was great after the first 15 minutes. MOTM imo.
Robinson Man of the Match!
Draw with Liverpool and feel a bit miffed we didn't win. Lose 2-1 away to Aresnal and feel a bit miffed we didn't get a point. Not a bad start atall. We look as if we deserve to be in the Prem.
But as others have said. This is great but without a chance to bring on better players and have a better squad we will in the end fail to continue this good start.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 27, 2022, 07:32:26 PM
I wish people wouldn't use these childish names for other football clubs tbh. But they were in a game and they knew it.
I know, sooooo childish. Anyway the Arse know they've been in a game.
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 27, 2022, 07:30:53 PM
Overall, the better side won the 3 points, that being said, the reason they won were the poor substitutions and the timing of it all. Tete was on fire, Mbabu was just smoked. Diop looks so out of depth, Duffy if anyone should have come on...but really Andreas should not have come off. The substitutions should have been made at the 80+ minute mark.. all done far too early.
All in all we held our own against one of the best teams in the league. I'm proud of the lads!
Agree with you. Diop was 4th choice at West Ham - unfair to expect much from him if we're honest. We could also have put Tete in the middle, brought on Mbabu and stayed more positive in midfield...Mitro sounded understandably wiped out. We should have kept Muniz, he could have come on and relieved the pressure on Mitro up-front. With these strikers' names we're hearing, we're not going to get anyone better than Muniz
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 27, 2022, 07:35:45 PM
Quote from: LC on August 27, 2022, 07:34:54 PM
Quote from: General on August 27, 2022, 07:32:51 PM
I mean considering how much arsenal have dominated and put teams to the sword I thought everyone did phenomenally today in Fulham colours. They all put in a real shift. Tete's one on one defending was great. Tosin did have some shaky moments in the first half but given arsenal's attacking ability and play I think that's understandable. He also made a few good last ditch tackles.
Shame not to get a point and it'll be interesting to see what Marco was so upset about but I thought the team did themselves proud today.
We desperately need more depth up front though. How we haven't yet is very puzzling.
Also noticed Bryan wasn't on the bench today. Nod to him. Hopefully we're not going to let him go unless we have a player in to replace him.
Mitro gets injured and we're buggered.
I can't believe no one has seen the penalty we should have had. My guess is Marco Silva is upset about that
Honestly I missed it, what happened? I watched the game and I didn't even catch it.
We had a shot that was blocked on the line, it clearly was blocked by the opposition players arm. They only showed one quick replay of it and the commentators didn't mention it. Our players appealed for it
Thought Robinson was great again too, he's really proving his doubters wrong this season and I include myself as one of those.
What penalty?
Quote from: roberto w6 on August 27, 2022, 07:37:24 PM
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 27, 2022, 07:30:53 PM
Overall, the better side won the 3 points, that being said, the reason they won were the poor substitutions and the timing of it all. Tete was on fire, Mbabu was just smoked. Diop looks so out of depth, Duffy if anyone should have come on...but really Andreas should not have come off. The substitutions should have been made at the 80+ minute mark.. all done far too early.
All in all we held our own against one of the best teams in the league. I'm proud of the lads!
Agree with you. Diop was 4th choice at West Ham - unfair to expect much from him if we're honest. We could also have put Tete in the middle, brought on Mbabu and stayed more positive in midfield...Mitro sounded understandably wiped out. We should have kept Muniz, he could have come on and relieved the pressure on Mitro up-front. With these strikers' names we're hearing, we're not going to get anyone better than Muniz
Muniz has SPEED, too. If we can't get relief for Mitrovic, we're in a tough spot.
Quote from: Twig on August 27, 2022, 07:29:05 PM
No complaints from me, we put in a great shift but Arsenal were clearly the better team. We do need reinforcements urgently if we are to be fully competitive in this division.
i am on the same page as you all the way on this,
great effort from every one
stand out performance from Mitro .
unlucky with the equaliser and the way Arsenal celebrated is testament to us.
People will probably moan about reinforcements but that one is on Silva for me. Chalk and cheese between Tete and Mbabu down that side today
Quote from: LC on August 27, 2022, 07:37:26 PM
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 27, 2022, 07:35:45 PM
Quote from: LC on August 27, 2022, 07:34:54 PM
Quote from: General on August 27, 2022, 07:32:51 PM
I mean considering how much arsenal have dominated and put teams to the sword I thought everyone did phenomenally today in Fulham colours. They all put in a real shift. Tete's one on one defending was great. Tosin did have some shaky moments in the first half but given arsenal's attacking ability and play I think that's understandable. He also made a few good last ditch tackles.
Shame not to get a point and it'll be interesting to see what Marco was so upset about but I thought the team did themselves proud today.
We desperately need more depth up front though. How we haven't yet is very puzzling.
Also noticed Bryan wasn't on the bench today. Nod to him. Hopefully we're not going to let him go unless we have a player in to replace him.
Mitro gets injured and we're buggered.
I can't believe no one has seen the penalty we should have had. My guess is Marco Silva is upset about that
Honestly I missed it, what happened? I watched the game and I didn't even catch it.
We had a shot that was blocked on the line, it clearly was blocked by the opposition players arm. They only showed one quick replay of it and the commentators didn't mention it. Our players appealed for it
Well if VAR doesn't look at I'm guessing it was nothing.
In the end, we were unlucky to not get a point. Thats probably the most negative I've seen us under Silva, and the Mbabu and Diop subs, and consequential change in shape cost us a point.
Special mention to Harrison Reed to giving a solid 2/10 performance, offering absolutely nothing going forward and leaving HUGE gaps in the centre of the field for Odegaard to exploit. We need someone better in that role. He is completely undisciplined and uses the fact he runs about alot as a cover to hide it. He wouldnt need to run so much, if he was where he should be.
Tosin is starting to become a liability at the back and is making several errors a game. If Marco isnt liking what Duffy or Diop can offer already, then we need to look at bringing in another CB.
Kebano was completely useless, and is not a PL player. Capped off his performance with kicking the air, rather than playing Pereira in when 2 on 1.
Luckily we wont have to play Arsenal away every week, and we are at least competitive in games, unlike some other teams...
Huge work to be done this week in the transfer window, and we still have 3 tough games in a row where points will be difficult to get. Hope the late goal doesnt affect the confidence too much, and we can get something from a very good Brighton side
Quote from: cookieg on August 27, 2022, 07:40:19 PM
Quote from: LC on August 27, 2022, 07:37:26 PM
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 27, 2022, 07:35:45 PM
Quote from: LC on August 27, 2022, 07:34:54 PM
Quote from: General on August 27, 2022, 07:32:51 PM
I mean considering how much arsenal have dominated and put teams to the sword I thought everyone did phenomenally today in Fulham colours. They all put in a real shift. Tete's one on one defending was great. Tosin did have some shaky moments in the first half but given arsenal's attacking ability and play I think that's understandable. He also made a few good last ditch tackles.
Shame not to get a point and it'll be interesting to see what Marco was so upset about but I thought the team did themselves proud today.
We desperately need more depth up front though. How we haven't yet is very puzzling.
Also noticed Bryan wasn't on the bench today. Nod to him. Hopefully we're not going to let him go unless we have a player in to replace him.
Mitro gets injured and we're buggered.
I can't believe no one has seen the penalty we should have had. My guess is Marco Silva is upset about that
Honestly I missed it, what happened? I watched the game and I didn't even catch it.
We had a shot that was blocked on the line, it clearly was blocked by the opposition players arm. They only showed one quick replay of it and the commentators didn't mention it. Our players appealed for it
Well if VAR doesn't look at I'm guessing it was nothing.
VAR can get it wrong and from the replay I saw it was a penalty
Tete got a yellow card late in the game, no?
I'm going to give Silva the benefit of the doubt and say the yellow was why he brought on Mbabu.
I know fans here like him (and I wanted him for the past two seasons) but he is not a better defender than Tete. Neither was Nico Williams btw.
Which bit of Mitro can't do it all on his own does no body understand?
Lucky Arse.....
Quote from: john dempsey on August 27, 2022, 07:38:36 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 27, 2022, 07:29:05 PM
No complaints from me, we put in a great shift but Arsenal were clearly the better team. We do need reinforcements urgently if we are to be fully competitive in this division.
i am on the same page as you all the way on this,
great effort from every one
stand out performance from Mitro .
Yes a good performance by Fulham, Mitro probably shaded Robinson and Tete for MOTM. A few early mistakes by Tosin but he did put in a good performance. Well done to all the lads. 092.gif
Quote from: cookieg on August 27, 2022, 07:30:46 PM
At least we aren't Boremouth fans.
Be glad be glad nine times over 😁 saved my day!
Unlucky today .Great performance by us against the league leaders. Silva is doing an amazing job.
Fighting to the end but not enough. Arsenal were the better team by far.
If we can hold them as we did this speaks encouragement for the season.
Mitro is a giant among men with his persistence and opportunities.
MoM is Leno.
Bring on Hove
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I think all the starting defenders did really well, and I would certainly include Tosin. He did make a few blunders, but otherwise he was really good. He is so good at winning 1 on 1 duels, and nullifies lots of attacks because of that. I don't think he is anywhere near getting dropped.
Also, agree that Kebano didn't offer much going forward (he rarely does, to be honest except when he is in his bi-annual golden spell), but Silva has turned him into such a good defender. I never saw that from him before, but him and BDR has executed their roles very well so far.
Sucks to lose to a late winner, but I'm ok with that result. A draw would have been great considering the effort we put in.
- Leno put in a MOTM performance and kept us in the game.
- Tete > Mbabu - Tete bossed the right side and shut down anyone that came up against him.
- I may have preferred Stansfield to Kebano. I thought he had a great game against Brentford.
- Really great performance from Ream. Proving everyone wrong that he's still got it and deserves his starting spot in defense. He's got my vote to keep starting.
- As everyone pointed out, Tosin had a shocking first half, but he did have some crucial stops in the second half. He definitely needs to step it up and be more consistent.
I must admit I thought Rodak should have kept his place, but I feel so much more relaxed from set plays with Leno in goal, he catches crosses, I thought he was fouled for the goal but we are never going to get decisions against the big 6
Leno was surrounded by Arsenal players for the second goal, where was the marking?
Need to get in some reinforcements in the window, looking pretty bare on CM behind Cairney and we currently have Stansfield as the only cover for Mitro and the wingers.
Hopefully it'll be sorted soon, throwing in chalobah to score a goal (came close in fairness) isnt optimal.
lack of options on the bench was always going to get us, the players run their socks off and I get why Marco is getting so frustrated around the transfers as our first 11 will be burnt out by mid season if we don't get another 4 or so players in
Tosin did ok I thought after a nervy start, and generally a battling display by Fulham - we competed with Arsenal, and created some good chances - and were maybe done by the ref for the second time there in a row, with the Arsenal players and staff looking to con him and get our players booked all the time - disgraceful, but the ref seemed to cave in to them.
Seems nit picking to start crticising individual players and Silva's decisions, when we came so close to at least a point.
Arsenal are a particularly obnoxious set of entitled fans, and currently odious manager, though Spurs aren't much better, and as for Chelsea......
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/3691c9730bf3073635a66b7dccb754379c574e16/0_46_2545_1527/master/2545.jpg?width=700&quality=45&fit=max&dpr=2&s=ff4241758c72ca730b9b03ab11c4bd36
This photo from the Guardian shows a clear handball in the lead up to their goal.
Our penalty shout was after the Mitro header with BDR's follow-up shot which was blocked by Ben White's trailing right arm (it went under his body). The only question is whether that is considered the arm in an unnatural position.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 27, 2022, 07:35:17 PM
And I think Harrison Reed's skill set is the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOW bar for what should be expected from him. He's not going to win any balls in the air, he's not going to finish and he's not going to open up the middle of the pitch.
Think he's a good squad player...but that's it. imo
He was garbage unfortunately, and I've been a fan of him. Even without the ball he was invisible, an archetypal chasing shadows type performance continually letting players run off him and/or overcommitting and failing to make the tackle.
Arsenal deserved all three points to be honest but we made them fight for it. The soft underbelly from previouse PL campaigns is finally a thing of the past.
Ream keeps surprising me. I have never been a fan and I was 100% certain he would be a liability at this level but he was my MOTM. He has been very good in all our games so far. I couldn't be happier to be prover wrong. REEEAAAM!!!
Surely Diop should of got his head to that ball
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on August 27, 2022, 07:57:57 PM
Arsenal deserved all three points to be honest but we made them fight for it. The soft underbelly from previouse PL campaigns is finally a thing of the past.
Ream keeps surprising me. I have never been a fan and I was 100% certain he would be a liability at this level but he was my MOTM. He has been very good in all our games so far. I couldn't be happier to be prover wrong. REEEAAAM!!!
His set ball delivery was delicious twice, King Ramsdale saving the Gunners on both occasions
They just had more quality than us and are on good form. Not much more we could have done. We found ourselves in good positions and wasted chances to create a threat too often, but ultimately they are a quality side and we caught them at a time when they are flying. No shame in that performance.
Quote from: rebel on August 27, 2022, 07:51:59 PM
Leno was surrounded by Arsenal players for the second goal, where was the marking?
Yeah we can look back at things like this, maybe it would have been the perfect game for Duffy to come on late on, but it was a good performance and it seems that we're taking this form into every game. If we continue to play like this we will be fine. I also love the fact that we all seem upset to have not picked up points from Arsenal- just goes to show you how far we have come
A massive improvement on our last two campaigns in the top flight, just hope they can keep the standard up.
I was wondering why the VAR check was only showing 2 angles, neither of which were very conclusive...I was waiting for another angle or two as usual.
Just seen on the aftermatch a very clear angle and it clearly shows the ball hitting the guy on the left bicep.
That's Handball. Should have been disallowed.
Fulham have been robbed.
Quote from: Benny on August 27, 2022, 07:52:09 PM
lack of options on the bench was always going to get us, the players run their socks off and I get why Marco is getting so frustrated around the transfers as our first 11 will be burnt out by mid season if we don't get another 4 or so players in
My fear as well.
Arsenal know Leno's weakness hence the positioning of their players for that throw in, show never of been allowed with the height we had in the box
Quote from: Sting of the North on August 27, 2022, 07:48:25 PM
I think all the starting defenders did really well, and I would certainly include Tosin. He did make a few blunders, but otherwise he was really good. He is so good at winning 1 on 1 duels, and nullifies lots of attacks because of that. I don't think he is anywhere near getting dropped.
Agree completely with this. As far as I'm concerned, Tosin has been getting a lot of undeserved stick so far this season. He's got a lot of responsibilities playing alongside someone with Ream's limitations.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 27, 2022, 07:32:26 PM
I wish people wouldn't use these childish names for other football clubs tbh. But they were in a game and they knew it.
agree with the childish name bit .
Is it going to be like last time we were in the Prem - decisions blatantly going against us when playing the top clubs?
Guardian on the money there. Always best with the news.
What a fantastic game. Great rearguard action by Fulham. A real team effort. Don't understand all these criticisms of individual players. Best leave that to Marco.
Looking forward for once to MOTD. First up B*sc*mbe!
If I'm honest, I'm angry. You can't ask anymore from this group of players and Silva. Utterly devastating again to not win/pick up the point in a cruel test. Why Am I angry? For Silva. This is yet another example of how close we are to really achieving things, wins at Arsenal, nearly beating Liverpool and Wolves, beating Brentford albeit, it was close. The squad is lacking, we have next to no options off the bench to turn and change games and if we'd got one or two more over the line by now, who knows how many points we'd be on now. We're 11th, but with Spurs and Chelsea in our next 3 games. I really hope the lads can pull a win against Brighton but its a big ask after how thin our squad is and how much the lads put into this fixture.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on August 27, 2022, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on August 27, 2022, 07:48:25 PM
I think all the starting defenders did really well, and I would certainly include Tosin. He did make a few blunders, but otherwise he was really good. He is so good at winning 1 on 1 duels, and nullifies lots of attacks because of that. I don't think he is anywhere near getting dropped.
Agree completely with this. As far as I'm concerned, Tosin has been getting a lot of undeserved stick so far this season. He's got a lot of responsibilities playing alongside someone with Ream's limitations.
He did make a few blunders but otherwise was really good?? I thought he was a liability, especially in the first half...
Making blunders and being otherwise really good is not mutually exclusive... he had in my opinion a very good game and was a huge part of us nearly getting a point. I believe many tend to get hung up on a few moments and missing the big picture. But that is just a feeling I have.
It's all subjective. Saliba was jumping to get to the ball, his arm is pressed against Leno, can't really move it midair away from Leno in his positioning... deemed "natural position" while jumping I imagine. Or it's a robbery. I'm conflicted... but in the heat of the moment, see why it was given... I suppose 🤬
Quote from: South Coast White on August 27, 2022, 07:30:27 PM
Foul on Leno from the corner all day long, how can VAR not see that.
Never a foul.
If we'd had a goal disallowed for that I'd go nuts
Quote from: General on August 27, 2022, 07:32:51 PM
I mean considering how much arsenal have dominated and put teams to the sword I thought everyone did phenomenally today in Fulham colours. They all put in a real shift. Tete's one on one defending was great. Tosin did have some shaky moments in the first half but given arsenal's attacking ability and play I think that's understandable. He also made a few good last ditch tackles.
Shame not to get a point and it'll be interesting to see what Marco was so upset about but I thought the team did themselves proud today.
We desperately need more depth up front though. How we haven't yet is very puzzling.
Also noticed Bryan wasn't on the bench today. Nod to him. Hopefully we're not going to let him go unless we have a player in to replace him.
Mitro gets injured and we're buggered.
Did feel Tete coming off lost us an edge. Mbabu didn't do a lot wrong but arsenal were getting a lot more luck down than side when he came on.
He was a traffic cone. We'd have been better off playing with 10.
Quote from: itombomb on August 27, 2022, 07:57:52 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 27, 2022, 07:35:17 PM
And I think Harrison Reed's skill set is the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOW bar for what should be expected from him. He's not going to win any balls in the air, he's not going to finish and he's not going to open up the middle of the pitch.
Think he's a good squad player...but that's it. imo
He was garbage unfortunately, and I've been a fan of him. Even without the ball he was invisible, an archetypal chasing shadows type performance continually letting players run off him and/or overcommitting and failing to make the tackle.
I like Harrison overall and Arsenal spread our midfield out badly today. Credit to them. That said, it's patently obvious we need another quality central midfielder in. Our three current guys are going to keel over.
Very honest post match interview by Silva. Team is ready but the squad isn't
It wasn't a handball first of all in my opinion, despite it touching Saliba's arm.
Secondly, VAR rules are now that a goal is to be disallowed only if the ball had touched the goalscorers hand/arm, regardless of it deliberate or not, and not that of any player in the buildup.
Frustratingly this rule was brought in immediately after one of our goals was disallowed, against Spurs I think it was.
Personally, I don't think this performance should result in any finger pointing.
I find the slagging off of individual players offensive and unnecessary. Every player left everything on the pitch. It was a great performance against a very very good side. On another day we would have got a point or even three.
Quote from: SP on August 27, 2022, 08:22:17 PM
Personally, I don't think this performance should result in any finger pointing.
At players, no. I agree. At our lack of depth, I think Silva requires some answers.
We had quite a few clear cut opportunities in the match..
It wasn't hand ball and if we scored it and it was disallowed we would be going mad .
Should have been cleared by leno
Quote from: Denver Fulham on August 27, 2022, 08:13:49 PM
Quote from: General on August 27, 2022, 07:32:51 PM
I mean considering how much arsenal have dominated and put teams to the sword I thought everyone did phenomenally today in Fulham colours. They all put in a real shift. Tete's one on one defending was great. Tosin did have some shaky moments in the first half but given arsenal's attacking ability and play I think that's understandable. He also made a few good last ditch tackles.
Shame not to get a point and it'll be interesting to see what Marco was so upset about but I thought the team did themselves proud today.
We desperately need more depth up front though. How we haven't yet is very puzzling.
Also noticed Bryan wasn't on the bench today. Nod to him. Hopefully we're not going to let him go unless we have a player in to replace him.
Mitro gets injured and we're buggered.
Did feel Tete coming off lost us an edge. Mbabu didn't do a lot wrong but arsenal were getting a lot more luck down than side when he came on.
He was a traffic cone. We'd have been better off playing with 10.
Agree, Mbabu was a sieve. He was invisible and they were just blowing by him down the left where Tete had been stalwart minutes before. Won't judge him for this performance alone though, hard to be thrown in during a siege.
My main takeaway is that the starting back four were again excellent. Against all odds, I do not see the starters changing any time soon.
Well, the result was quite cruel and disappointing; we certainly did enough to deserve a point. But the overall performance, spirit and attitude were very encouraging.
Keep playing like that, and we'll be nowhere near the relegation zone.
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on August 27, 2022, 08:25:55 PM
It wasn't hand ball and if we scored it and it was disallowed we would be going mad .
Should have been cleared by leno
I'm not sure it could've been cleared by Leno. He probably would've dealt with it easier if he had stayed on the line instead though.
Proud of the boys. What an effort
Quote from: The Old Count on August 27, 2022, 08:22:51 PM
I find the slagging off of individual players offensive and unnecessary. Every player left everything on the pitch. It was a great performance against a very very good side. On another day we would have got a point or even three.
Agree, new players coming on still getting to grips with Silva's style, we do love to slag off our players.
If people noticed Tete was booked so I don't think Silva wanted a second yellow.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on August 27, 2022, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on August 27, 2022, 07:48:25 PM
I think all the starting defenders did really well, and I would certainly include Tosin. He did make a few blunders, but otherwise he was really good. He is so good at winning 1 on 1 duels, and nullifies lots of attacks because of that. I don't think he is anywhere near getting dropped.
Agree completely with this. As far as I'm concerned, Tosin has been getting a lot of undeserved stick so far this season. He's got a lot of responsibilities playing alongside someone with Ream's limitations.
Ream's limitations..😅
Quote from: Sting of the North on August 27, 2022, 08:12:05 PM
Making blunders and being otherwise really good is not mutually exclusive... he had in my opinion a very good game and was a huge part of us nearly getting a point. I believe many tend to get hung up on a few moments and missing the big picture. But that is just a feeling I have.
Agree.
Thought he was nervous at first as he can be, but overcome this, and generally had a good game, as part of a defense that kept their high scoring attack at bay for the most of the game, and onlygetting a winner with a scuffed, controversial goal.
Quote from: The Old Count on August 27, 2022, 08:22:51 PM
I find the slagging off of individual players offensive and unnecessary. Every player left everything on the pitch. It was a great performance against a very very good side. On another day we would have got a point or even three.
It's funny over the years against the big boys,how many times near the end of a game,we dont get rub of the green.
I do think Leno missed his punch, unfortunately.
But otherwise he had a blinder
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 27, 2022, 08:40:50 PM
Quote from: The Old Count on August 27, 2022, 08:22:51 PM
I find the slagging off of individual players offensive and unnecessary. Every player left everything on the pitch. It was a great performance against a very very good side. On another day we would have got a point or even three.
It's funny over the years how many times near the end of a game,we dont get rub of the green.
A sad fact. Its so demoralising yet quite typical for us. Not complaining but so close yet so far is my main take over my course of being a fulham fan.
Gutting result in the end, but it feels oddly familiar - we always seem to lose in the last minute at Arsenal. Last season a prime example, but I remember the game years back when Healey scored early and we lost 2-1 in the end.
Anyway, thought we were good value for a point despite Arsenal clearly being the better team overall. It's great to see Silva has made us so competitive overall, but it's such a disappointment that we haven't got an adequate squad. It's been a good start to the season, but with some reinforcements maybe we could have beaten Liverpool & Wolves & got a point today. With a competive squad it could have been brilliant start to the season, not just a good one.
Points from the game itself:
- Leno very good overall, but failed abysmally on the second goal by not reaching the cross. I fear Leno's big weakness will be his inability to claim crosses in those situations, something Rodak isn't great on either.
- Tete was superb (as was the whole defence)
- On the flip side Mbabu was terrible & beaten relentlessly when he came on. Diop also failed to get near the cross for the second goal which was his one job
Brighton will be a very tough game on Tuesday & presumably we'll have no new recruits by then. I'm hoping we haven't peaked too earlier with Spurs & Chelsea to come.
A quote from an Arsenal forum which I'm not sure how to take!
"That was like playing prime Burnley only with a scarier target man up front.
If they maintain the level of play from their first 4 games they'll easily stay up.
Good performance today to gut out a win against a determined team."
I mean, its great that the person thinks we'll stay up (and honestly, hearing that from other sides fans really is great), but "prime Burnley with a scarier target man" is both brilliant and properly facking offensive. 064.gif
Performance was good cannot fault the team 5 points from for 4 games if we keep turning up I believe we will be safe come end of the season. We are scoring and showing we are hungry for the match. 2-1 but you know what Mitrovic has 4 in 4 games. We are a few signings short of a premier league squad.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 27, 2022, 08:45:35 PM
A quote from an Arsenal forum which I'm not sure how to take!
"That was like playing prime Burnley only with a scarier target man up front.
If they maintain the level of play from their first 4 games they'll easily stay up.
Good performance today to gut out a win against a determined team."
I mean, its great that the person thinks we'll stay up (and honestly, hearing that from other sides fans really is great), but "prime Burnley with a scarier target man" is both brilliant and properly facking offensive. 064.gif
Bit harsh that!
Great support from our fans there today.
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 27, 2022, 08:06:36 PM
If I'm honest, I'm angry. You can't ask anymore from this group of players and Silva. Utterly devastating again to not win/pick up the point in a cruel test. Why Am I angry? For Silva. This is yet another example of how close we are to really achieving things, wins at Arsenal, nearly beating Liverpool and Wolves, beating Brentford albeit, it was close. The squad is lacking, we have next to no options off the bench to turn and change games and if we'd got one or two more over the line by now, who knows how many points we'd be on now. We're 11th, but with Spurs and Chelsea in our next 3 games. I really hope the lads can pull a win against Brighton but its a big ask after how thin our squad is and how much the lads put into this fixture.
Great post
Close but yet so far ........brilliant performance in so many ways but not quite enough.
We desperately need those reinforcements ......
But we'll played today - they gave it everything.
Let's fact it it was a training ground move with two players crowding the goalie.Brilliant placement of corner .
Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on August 27, 2022, 08:01:45 PM
I was wondering why the VAR check was only showing 2 angles, neither of which were very conclusive...I was waiting for another angle or two as usual.
Just seen on the aftermatch a very clear angle and it clearly shows the ball hitting the guy on the left bicep.
That's Handball. Should have been disallowed.
Fulham have been robbed.
... perhaps they were using VARsenal...?
Quote from: SP on August 27, 2022, 08:22:17 PM
Personally, I don't think this performance should result in any finger pointing.
Me neither but a 16 million pound center back should be able to jump higher then 3 inches
I'm happy with Fulham's performance and shame we couldn't get at least a point.
But I see some on here putting Leno as MOM. All the saves he made I would expect him to and I thought he was very weak on their second goal - he didn't get fouled from what I could see.
A bit weak but the other way round that goals dissalowed
Never a handball your clutching at straws great performance
Quote from: perry geyton on August 27, 2022, 08:59:18 PM
Quote from: SP on August 27, 2022, 08:22:17 PM
Personally, I don't think this performance should result in any finger pointing.
Me neither but a 16 million pound center back should be able to jump higher then 3 inches
Reading the Wet Spam forums after we signed him, there were plenty of comments on his poor dealing with high balls which was a worry
I blame Diop for not getting his head to it, the sole reason he was brought on the pitch in the first place
Arsenal fans have stated that he is a great shot stopper,but does get bullied at set pieces.
I think he had a strong performance overall but def was partly to blame for that second goal.
The Saka save was better than it looked.
Quote from: perry geyton on August 27, 2022, 09:02:38 PM
I blame Diop for not getting his head to it, the sole reason he was brought on the pitch in the first place
If Diop's whole remit was to come on and win headers, maybe Silva should get the blame. If there's one person you bring off the bench to win headers, its Shane Duffy. For that reason, I don;t think this was Diop's fault.
After his performance at Crawley,it's a wonder he was even on the bench...Dont think he's fit yet.
Thought he had a great game. Should've done better with the second goal though I agree
Assume hat Leno yelled for the ball when he came out flapping. If he had jumped people would be complaining that he blocked Leno.
The only mistake was taking Tete off and putting Mbabu on - they had no end of joy down our right after that sub was made. Other than that we were fantastic, just needed some pace off the bench because Arsenal were really stretched in the second half
Only thing we did wrong was take Tete off - I don't think they get the corner they got the winner from if he was still on the pitch. Robinson and Tete have both been exceptional in 1v1 situations so far this year, really pleasing to see.
Having sat in the corporate section today surrounded by plastic arsenal fans I can honestly say nobody should ever be criticising our home support ever again, 0 noise from them all game and they acted like they'd won the PL at full time, cringey stuff
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 27, 2022, 09:07:28 PM
The only mistake was taking Tete off and putting Mbabu on - they had no end of joy down our right after that sub was made. Other than that we were fantastic, just needed some pace off the bench because Arsenal were really stretched in the second half
Agree
Diop was brought in to replace knockhaert hopefully is going to bordeax.If you get rid of one bad player you have to replace him with another or tony would not do his job properly.Its a shame tethi tired because then we wouldn't have to bring on tonys other bad player he is not that ggood defensively .Im glad tony is still involved so that new players can have 4year deals which replace the other bad player whose contracts are running out.
Leno should have cleared it and if rodak hadof done it this board would go into meltdown. I'm not having a pop and leno and I think he his a good signing but that doesn't change the fact it's his fault
Forgot what it was like to lose. Horrible gutting feeling but the lads did us proud.
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on August 27, 2022, 08:53:33 PM
Let's fact it it was a training ground move with two players crowding the goalie.Brilliant placement of corner .
Yep, this. Arsenal blocked Leno off very effectively, it's a practised move that they executed well.
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on August 27, 2022, 09:22:26 PM
Leno should have cleared it and if rodak hadof done it this board would go into meltdown. I'm not having a pop and leno and I think he his a good signing but that doesn't change the fact it's his fault
:plus one:
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 27, 2022, 09:07:28 PM
The only mistake was taking Tete off and putting Mbabu on - they had no end of joy down our right after that sub was made. Other than that we were fantastic, just needed some pace off the bench because Arsenal were really stretched in the second half
That substitution was a total mystery to me other then Marco thinking he was gonna come on and repeat that perfect cross onto Mitro's head again
Quote from: fulhamfever on August 27, 2022, 08:46:45 PM
Performance was good cannot fault the team 5 points from for 4 games if we keep turning up I believe we will be safe come end of the season. We are scoring and showing we are hungry for the match. 2-1 but you know what Mitrovic has 4 in 4 games. We are a few signings short of a premier league squad.
What is the Premier League goalscoring record in season?
I think I love Mick the Beard, he's off the facking scale.
Don't point fingers, its too early for that bollocks.
Quote from: Tabby on August 27, 2022, 09:07:26 PM
Assume hat Leno yelled for the ball when he came out flapping. If he had jumped people would be complaining that he blocked Leno.
Not if he'd of just got his head onto it and sent it skybound as he should of done
Leno was most impressive.
However, Rodak would have been roasted on here for that second goal . . . because football fans are like that ! Footballers are human, goalkeepers are not perfect, forwards miss 'sitters' and players sometimes miskick (Kebano).
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 27, 2022, 09:32:35 PM
I think I love Mick the Beard, he's off the facking scale.
Don't point fingers, its too early for that bollocks.
Yeah let's just slag off Tony Khan no matter what he does
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 27, 2022, 08:45:35 PM
A quote from an Arsenal forum which I'm not sure how to take!
"That was like playing prime Burnley only with a scarier target man up front.
If they maintain the level of play from their first 4 games they'll easily stay up.
Good performance today to gut out a win against a determined team."
I mean, its great that the person thinks we'll stay up (and honestly, hearing that from other sides fans really is great), but "prime Burnley with a scarier target man" is both brilliant and properly facking offensive. 064.gif
With our current squad I'll happily be identified as prime Burnley with a better target man. It's kinda true.
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I really don't think anyone should be laying into any of the eleven who started. They all ran their socks off, fought for evry ball and laid their bodies on the line. Yes there were sone skill gaps and some more obvious than others. However, what on earth did we expect; newly promoted FFC vs permanent Prem residents Arsenal? I thnk we should all be very proud of our team tonight, some of the comments on here and the match day post were frankly embarrassing.
thought he was excellent. unlucky for the goal and otherwise totally dominated his box. He played very well and was huge upgrade on Rodak.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 27, 2022, 09:32:35 PM
I think I love Mick the Beard, he's off the facking scale.
100%! Diop brought in to replace Knockhaert? 🧐🤦♂️😂
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on August 27, 2022, 09:22:26 PM
Leno should have cleared it and if rodak hadof done it this board would go into meltdown. I'm not having a pop and leno and I think he his a good signing but that doesn't change the fact it's his fault
Tend to agree
I think overall we fought to the end and ultimately it was a fair result as overall they were the better team.
We produced very little.
At the end we had to bring on fresh legs and Mbabu was repeatedly letting the Arsenal man in behind him. Diop as has been said before offered little apart from being meat in the room, and when he HAD to get his head on a ball he didn't. I will reserve judgement on both until they're match fit and up to speed.
I'm concerned about Diop. Mostly because of his performance midweek (why you would put that little effort in on your debut I do not know) but also because what I've heard from West Ham fans is not good.
He definitely deserves more time but I would consider bringing in another centre back option who can play alongside Ream (Duffy is too slow). Denayer would be ideal as he can also cover Reed in midfield and play right back if Tete or Mbabu get injured.
He kept us in it up until that point though
I am really proud of the boys today. A good fight.
Give it a rest. He claimed about 5 corners. Helped keep us in game with multiple saves and got done by a deflection at top of the league
Quote from: The Old Count on August 27, 2022, 08:22:51 PM
I find the slagging off of individual players offensive and unnecessary. Every player left everything on the pitch. It was a great performance against a very very good side. On another day we would have got a point or even three.
Well said sir but so many have players they dislike they can never see beyond that
Quote from: Twig on August 27, 2022, 09:36:49 PM
I really don't think anyone should be laying into any of the eleven who started. They all ran their socks off, fought for evry ball and laid their bodies on the line. Yes there were sone skill gaps and some more obvious than others. However, what on earth did we expect; newly promoted FFC vs permanent Prem residents Arsenal? I thnk we should all be very proud of our team tonight, some of the comments on here and the match day post were frankly embarrassing.
Totally agree
Quote from: Twig on August 27, 2022, 09:36:49 PM
I really don't think anyone should be laying into any of the eleven who started. They all ran their socks off, fought for evry ball and laid their bodies on the line. Yes there were sone skill gaps and some more obvious than others. However, what on earth did we expect; newly promoted FFC vs permanent Prem residents Arsenal? I thnk we should all be very proud of our team tonight, some of the comments on here and the match day post were frankly embarrassing.
100% this
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 27, 2022, 08:40:50 PM
Quote from: The Old Count on August 27, 2022, 08:22:51 PM
I find the slagging off of individual players offensive and unnecessary. Every player left everything on the pitch. It was a great performance against a very very good side. On another day we would have got a point or even three.
It's funny over the years against the big boys,how many times near the end of a game,we dont get rub of the green.
It does.seem odd Mince. And there always seems to be an iffey.decision involved.
Quote from: Twig on August 27, 2022, 09:36:49 PM
I really don't think anyone should be laying into any of the eleven who started. They all ran their socks off, fought for evry ball and laid their bodies on the line. Yes there were sone skill gaps and some more obvious than others. However, what on earth did we expect; newly promoted FFC vs permanent Prem residents Arsenal? I thnk we should all be very proud of our team tonight, some of the comments on here and the match day post were frankly embarrassing.
+1
Quote from: Nightwind15 on August 27, 2022, 09:56:34 PM
I am really proud of the boys today. A good fight.
I agree they made a good fist of it and Arsenal knew they had been in a game.
We played the inform team of the Premier League in their own back yard and almost came away with a point.
Arsenal were so glad to hear the final whistle, todays performance should make the team mentally stronger.
Quote from: perry geyton on August 27, 2022, 09:02:38 PM
I blame Diop for not getting his head to it, the sole reason he was brought on the pitch in the first place
As soon as Diop came on it sort of disrupted the defence - possibly an error by MS but Tete was knackered
Palace or B'mouth would have lost 2-0 or 3-0 and not even turned up. A deflection and arguably controversial second goal?
If we are up to playing Liverpool and Arsenal this way day in and day out, I think we'll finish a lot higher than 17th.
No complaints from me, we knew it would be tough but we made Arsenal earn their victory the hard way.
This season we are a more physical team both in height and tenacity, and you have to be to give ourselves a chance in every game.
Nobody will bully us this season and that is an important ingredient.
Arsenal are the in form team and at the end they were hanging on and gagging to hear the final whistle.
There were no light weights in our team and the tenacity of the team as one served us well.
It's a shame Tete was taken off as he held that right side of the defence up and we missed him at the back in the final minutes.
Nevertheless that was the hardest game Arsenal have had so far this season and they have the bruises to prove it.
I think if we can keep the current group fit and get our injured players back, and strengthen in one or two more areas, and we continue to play the way we have been, we'll finish mid-table
I think Neeskens not seeing a pass has cost us the Match massive turning point in the Match.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 27, 2022, 10:18:15 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 27, 2022, 09:36:49 PM
I really don't think anyone should be laying into any of the eleven who started. They all ran their socks off, fought for evry ball and laid their bodies on the line. Yes there were sone skill gaps and some more obvious than others. However, what on earth did we expect; newly promoted FFC vs permanent Prem residents Arsenal? I thnk we should all be very proud of our team tonight, some of the comments on here and the match day post were frankly embarrassing.
+1
+2 all day (or night) long
Quote from: LC on August 27, 2022, 10:36:57 PM
I think if we can keep the current group fit and get our injured players back, and strengthen in one or two more areas, and we continue to play the way we have been, we'll finish mid-table
+1
Disappointed a bit that we were so close to get a great 1 point in an away game against the team with the best form in the league, but overall MS so far gets the maximum out of this squad and I'm proud of the team. I hope the coaches will be focused with M'babu about 1v1 situations because he was horrific since he came in and I thought this substitute was the difference between getting a point to none, but we'll learn from this and we'll only get better.
About Leno, despite his mistake on the goal we have conceded I can't blame him, he saved us a few times and was great the entire game. He's a main reason we were that close getting a point.
Today it was really obvious that Silva didn't have the depth he needed on the bench. Some of the subs didn't make much sense and he probably just did it because he knew he would be criticized if he'd done nothing.
I just say, I was SO impressed with Robinson and Tete today. Had Saka and Martenelli in their pockets all afternoon. And REAM - a real captain.
Quote from: LC on August 27, 2022, 10:36:57 PM
I think if we can keep the current group fit and get our injured players back, and strengthen in one or two more areas, and we continue to play the way we have been, we'll finish mid-table
Yep I agree. The first 4 games have shown that we're a really well organised unit that just needs some more options on the bench for when the game gets a bit stretched and legs start to tire. Can't fault the recruiment of the starters at the minute and the players look Hodgson level organised off the ball. Keep Mitro ticking over, get Wilson and Solomon back with a few additions before the window closing and there's no reason to fear any team, as it appears we haven't so far.
I know it's what we as supporters do and blame every goal conceded on poor defending and every goal scored as brilliant play.
But you might as well blame Mitro for missing a chance. There were no dreadful errors to match the goal we scored. It was a battling performance, one we deserved more out of and hopefully we can bring in more help for the squad for our next match.
Quote from: alfie on August 27, 2022, 08:36:58 PM
Quote from: The Old Count on August 27, 2022, 08:22:51 PM
I find the slagging off of individual players offensive and unnecessary. Every player left everything on the pitch. It was a great performance against a very very good side. On another day we would have got a point or even three.
Agree, new players coming on still getting to grips with Silva's style, we do love to slag off our players.
If people noticed Tete was booked so I don't think Silva wanted a second yellow.
Yes, same with Palhinha.
Tete looked shattered to me so I understand why he came off. Unfortunate as he is definitely more defensively solid than Mbabu
Quote from: TheCeiling on August 27, 2022, 10:47:38 PM
Quote from: LC on August 27, 2022, 10:36:57 PM
I think if we can keep the current group fit and get our injured players back, and strengthen in one or two more areas, and we continue to play the way we have been, we'll finish mid-table
+1
Disappointed a bit that we were so close to get a great 1 point in an away game against the team with the best form in the league, but overall MS so far gets the maximum out of this squad and I'm proud of the team. I hope the coaches will be focused with M'babu about 1v1 situations because he was horrific since he came in and I thought this substitute was the difference between getting a point to none, but we'll learn from this and we'll only get better.
About Leno, despite his mistake on the goal we have conceded I can't blame him, he saved us a few times and was great the entire game. He's a main reason we were that close getting a point.
Yes, I thought Mbabu should have come on but in place of BDR just to provide extra support for Tete. I have no doubt Tete was tired but it was one of those games where everyone needed to dig in. And I'm not sure Leno made a mistake for their goal, he had two players on him, our defenders should never let that happen, if someone's in front of the keeper it's the defences job to free him up. But again, they got two goals that on any other day wouldn't have gone in
Dude is class
Nice video of Arsenal TV with a fan praising Mitro, and Fulham in General...
https://youtu.be/-FFWakxqfUs
Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on August 27, 2022, 06:06:04 PM
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The Sky preview had one of the "experts" telling us the team Parker had put out! Promptly hit the mute button.
I thought we were worth at least a point overall. Adarabioyo had a tricky opening ten minutes but improved, while Ream was massive throughout and my MOTM. Officials and VAR absolutely useless as is usual in PL matches involving big clubs v smaller fry. Arsenal wanted a fight and we gave them one but that goal from the corner should never have been allowed in a month of Sundays but looking for a handball rather than a foul on the keeper was a joke given the angles they used. VAR must be rigged because otherwise the IQ of all the operators added together must be a minus number.
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 27, 2022, 11:45:08 PM
I know it's what we as supporters do and blame every goal conceded on poor defending and every goal scored as brilliant play.
But you might as well blame Mitro for missing a chance. There were no dreadful errors to match the goal we scored. It was a battling performance, one we deserved more out of and hopefully we can bring in more help for the squad for our next match.
Yesterday it was poor defending, could those goals been prevented, yes, several opportunities to stop them.
In the last 2 matches we've conceded from corners. If we did that in the remaining 34 matches, that's 34 goals conceded, if we don't cut out those errors.
Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on August 28, 2022, 03:27:44 AM
Nice video of Arsenal TV with a fan praising Mitro, and Fulham in General...
https://youtu.be/-FFWakxqfUs
Proper fan who sees it as it is.
I thought we really played well. Eight of the starting line up played last season. Tim Ream has really shut me right up. Superb captain as well. Annoyed they didn't show Neeskins' run from our half that if he had have ended up squaring to Pereria he would have had an open goal. As well after their 2nd goal we didn't sag and could have equalised.
The only downer was Alan Smith's biased punditry. How he flowered when they scored their second goal. 'Brilliant! Wonderful display!'
We deserved a point. Well played lads. :54:
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Quote from: ffcthereligion on August 27, 2022, 09:12:21 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 27, 2022, 09:07:28 PM
The only mistake was taking Tete off and putting Mbabu on - they had no end of joy down our right after that sub was made. Other than that we were fantastic, just needed some pace off the bench because Arsenal were really stretched in the second half
Agree
Tete got booked, I'm sure Silva didn't want him booked again and sent off.
As for having a go at Mbapu, we have seen Martinelli turn top class defenders inside out on numerous occasions.
Quote from: alfie on August 28, 2022, 09:33:29 AM
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Quote from: Deeping_white on August 27, 2022, 09:07:28 PM
The only mistake was taking Tete off and putting Mbabu on - they had no end of joy down our right after that sub was made. Other than that we were fantastic, just needed some pace off the bench because Arsenal were really stretched in the second half
Agree
Tete got booked, I'm sure Silva didn't want him booked again and sent off.
As for having a go at Mbapu, we have seen Martinelli turn top class defenders inside out on numerous occasions.
I'm not having a go at Mbabu, it's just a fact that Martinelli didn't beat Tete once and then managed to get round Mbabu 3 times at least. Tete played against Diaz and Salah on a yellow for 70 mins and didn't get sent off so not sure the logic follows there either
Arsenal Fan saying Mitro was man of the match? - no it was Leno, and the same fan wasnt happy that Leno is at Fulham.
Yes, I agree that Fulham was worth a point today. Arsenal were the better side but Fulham definitely gave Arsenal their toughest game in four. Four games in - My confidence is up further that we are staying up in this league this time around and could well finish near the top half.
There was one word of wisdom in that interview with that Arsenal supporter and it was while Fulham are looking very dangerous at this stage of the campaign, we might fade later due to a light squad if any of the current player get injuries down the road. He cited the Crawley game as an example of how vulnerable we are in that regard. Perhaps he wasnt aware that we already had a few first team players out with injuries, but he is right!
Anyway - another great performance by the lads yesterday!
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 28, 2022, 09:38:26 AM
Quote from: alfie on August 28, 2022, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on August 27, 2022, 09:12:21 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 27, 2022, 09:07:28 PM
The only mistake was taking Tete off and putting Mbabu on - they had no end of joy down our right after that sub was made. Other than that we were fantastic, just needed some pace off the bench because Arsenal were really stretched in the second half
Agree
Tete got booked, I'm sure Silva didn't want him booked again and sent off.
As for having a go at Mbapu, we have seen Martinelli turn top class defenders inside out on numerous occasions.
I'm not having a go at Mbabu, it's just a fact that Martinelli didn't beat Tete once and then managed to get round Mbabu 3 times at least. Tete played against Diaz and Salah on a yellow for 70 mins and didn't get sent off so not sure the logic follows there either
Moved to 5 at the back which changed our shape too in fairness. Silva might have hoped that Mbabu would be able to use his pace down the wing on the counter.
Quote from: toshes mate on August 28, 2022, 07:26:44 AM
VAR must be rigged because otherwise the IQ of all the operators added together must be a minus number.
For me, an obvious enhancement would be to utilise technology that only shows the VAR officials images of anonymised team A against team B to ensure an impartial view. But of course, they'll never allow that.
As the Arsenal fan quite rightly points out/ FFC will only get weaker as the season progresses with their current squad - it's inevitable with injuries, suspension and fatigue
MS and most of the football world can see this clearly
I still can't fathom anyone who can support the FFC management's work on squad build up this year
Paulina Perreira Leno Solomon are great - but let's assemble a competitive squad for a 38 game season
We won't necessarily get weaker. It depends on who we bring in now and remember we have Wilson and Solomon to come back, plus we will have another window in January.
As long as we give MS the tools to work with, we will be fine.
It is becoming increasingly frustrating that our lack of options off the bench is causing us points or will do in the future.
But trying to look at the bright side. We haven't met anybody who have been able to cruise against us. Arsenal had to play really well and had a spot of luck. This idea that we made mistakes at the back that cost us. It is always going to be that way. Defenders get blamed, keepers get blamed. But Arsenal had the deflection and a winning goal that would have stood if I was on VAR as well. But had it been the other way I think that VAR would have ruled it out.
We live in a World where top six teams will always get the nod.
But without this constant need to point fingers and find blame. A stronger squad was needed, is needed and will be needed.
My humble reading of the game:
Arsenal were the better team so deserved the 3 points, but Silva's tactics and the team's doggedness could have got a point.
Both goals we conceded were preventable. Odegaard (best player on the pitch) given far too much space for the first (although the deflection was fortunate) & Leno at fault for the second (excellent otherwise and it was right decision to try and claim the ball as he did successfully throughout the match).
Quite a few players were excellent despite being under the team being under the cosh for most of the game.
Tim Ream take a bow - thought he was magnificent throughout the match. Strange how in comparison he struggled at times in the Championship, looks a top class centre back at the moment.
Mitro - how can anyone now doubt he is a top level striker. Gladiatorial & magnificent.
Antonee Robinson - another player to take a bow, coped effectively defensively despite being under pressure by Arsenal's wide players throughout the match. Also carried the ball upfield to provide some relief for our hard pressed defence. Only criticism is he has an annoying tendency to nick the ball of an attacker then appear to switch off and turnover possession leaving the defence exposed. Something to sort out in training.
Leno - thought he was excellent despite his error for the final goal. Caught the ball, excellent on crosses and obviously communicating with his defence throughout the game.
Our midfield trio excellent once again defensively, although I missed the press we have employed in our home games (but understandable away versus Arsenal).
Palhinha - disrupted or held up Arsenal moves throughout the game, but yet another yellow card!
Pereira - the number of times he carried the ball and did not lose possession despite being surrounded by opposition. Our most threatening player after Mitro and has improved our set piece delivery enormously this season
Some obvious areas to improve:
We really struggled to retain possession - then again so will many other teams at the Emirates this season
Toyo - room for improvement, gets caught or hurried in possession too often for my heart pressure! Something to be sorted out on the training pitch.
Pace - other than Robinson we could do with a player with the pace to run past the opposition and leave them for dead.
Quote from: blingo on August 28, 2022, 10:14:10 AM
We won't necessarily get weaker. It depends on who we bring in now and remember we have Wilson and Solomon to come back, plus we will have another window in January.
As long as we give MS the tools to work with, we will be fine.
As things currently stand we would inevitable get weaker, our squad is thin in several areas. Wilson to return is a help but it sounds like we will wait several months for Soloman.
No complaints with the Fulham performance once again all players put in their best efforts.
Arsenal however had most of the game and deserved their win.
We are missing Wilson and possibly Solomon and need a new spark in attack.
Sorry Marco but you blew it with the substitutions, taking off
Andreas who together with TC offered a threat and an out ball.
Including injury time there was at least 15 minutes to play, we
were holding our own but suddenly invited too much pressure.
Gutted but not too down as it was a fantastic effort against a very good Team.
Quote from: Black and White Blood on August 28, 2022, 12:57:51 PM
Sorry Marco but you blew it with the substitutions, taking off
Andreas who together with TC offered a threat and an out ball.
Including injury time there was at least 15 minutes to play, we
were holding our own but suddenly invited too much pressure.
Gutted but not too down as it was a fantastic effort against a very good Team.
Not convinced by this. Pereria was blowing hard towards the end of his gametime. Same for Tete. If these guys worked at the same rate for 90 mins, I think we'd see complete burnout.
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 28, 2022, 01:39:47 PM
Quote from: Black and White Blood on August 28, 2022, 12:57:51 PM
Sorry Marco but you blew it with the substitutions, taking off
Andreas who together with TC offered a threat and an out ball.
Including injury time there was at least 15 minutes to play, we
were holding our own but suddenly invited too much pressure.
Gutted but not too down as it was a fantastic effort against a very good Team.
Not convinced by this. Pereria was blowing hard towards the end of his gametime. Same for Tete. If these guys worked at the same rate for 90 mins, I think we'd see complete burnout.
I agree with FFC1987's perspective, we were on the backfoot for most of the game playing away to the in-form team of a world class league which we have only just been promoted to. As a fan my minimum expectation is to see our team and coaching team give 100% which they did comfortably. Silva made supportable decisions to first hold onto a point against superior opponents then react when they did go ahead.
Now onto Brighton, another on form team but we are home this time so realistic expectations of a result this time.
Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on August 28, 2022, 03:27:44 AM
Nice video of Arsenal TV with a fan praising Mitro, and Fulham in General...
https://youtu.be/-FFWakxqfUs
Beware of Gunners bearing gifts! They're a bit too keen on Mitro
Quote from: copthornemike on August 28, 2022, 11:16:40 AM
My humble reading of the game:
Arsenal were the better team so deserved the 3 points, but Silva's tactics and the team's doggedness could have got a point.
Both goals we conceded were preventable. Odegaard (best player on the pitch) given far too much space for the first (although the deflection was fortunate) & Leno at fault for the second (excellent otherwise and it was right decision to try and claim the ball as he did successfully throughout the match).
Quite a few players were excellent despite being under the team being under the cosh for most of the game.
Tim Ream take a bow - thought he was magnificent throughout the match. Strange how in comparison he struggled at times in the Championship, looks a top class centre back at the moment.
Mitro - how can anyone now doubt he is a top level striker. Gladiatorial & magnificent.
Antonee Robinson - another player to take a bow, coped effectively defensively despite being under pressure by Arsenal's wide players throughout the match. Also carried the ball upfield to provide some relief for our hard pressed defence. Only criticism is he has an annoying tendency to nick the ball of an attacker then appear to switch off and turnover possession leaving the defence exposed. Something to sort out in training.
Leno - thought he was excellent despite his error for the final goal. Caught the ball, excellent on crosses and obviously communicating with his defence throughout the game.
Our midfield trio excellent once again defensively, although I missed the press we have employed in our home games (but understandable away versus Arsenal).
Palhinha - disrupted or held up Arsenal moves throughout the game, but yet another yellow card!
Pereira - the number of times he carried the ball and did not lose possession despite being surrounded by opposition. Our most threatening player after Mitro and has improved our set piece delivery enormously this season
Some obvious areas to improve:
We really struggled to retain possession - then again so will many other teams at the Emirates this season
Toyo - room for improvement, gets caught or hurried in possession too often for my heart pressure! Something to be sorted out on the training pitch.
Pace - other than Robinson we could do with a player with the pace to run past the opposition and leave them for dead.
:plus one: Hard to disagree with any of that. (Except Toyo= Tosin?)
I have severe doubts about Diop. I know its only a cameo appearance and would love to be proved wrong but sometimes you just have a feeling.
Speaking of being proved wrong... Robinson has been good this season so far
Looking back at our goal, should Mitro have gone over after the Arsenal man pulled him back. As it was a goal scoring opportunity he would have got a straight red and they would be down to 10 men.