I have been going to Fulham since just before Tigana's first season - with the recent ticket increases, and the Leeds pricing fiasco it has led me to thinking whether we ever had had these issues with MAF?
From memory I can't remember a point where there was a mood that the ticket pricing disproportionate like it is at the moment.
Interested to see if anyone can remember examples, or if it was as rosy as I remember. There were always lots of "kids for a quid", discounted cup games etc. - which were a great incentives for people.
I know if MAF had his way we would have been been on the site of Westfield now, so not everything he got right. But I feel with tickets he did.
Some people moan about the Khan's not being celebrated with a song etc. I think they have really torched chances of that over the ticket prices. Leeds should have been £20 and a real atmosphere.
Quote from: Take Me Home MAF on February 14, 2023, 11:54:48 AM
I have been going to Fulham since just before Tigana's first season - with the recent ticket increases, and the Leeds pricing fiasco it has led me to thinking whether we ever had had these issues with MAF?
From memory I can't remember a point where there was a mood that the ticket pricing disproportionate like it is at the moment.
Interested to see if anyone can remember examples, or if it was as rosy as I remember. There were always lots of "kids for a quid", discounted cup games etc. - which were a great incentives for people.
I know if MAF had his way we would have been been on the site of Westfield now, so not everything he got right. But I feel with tickets he did.
Some people moan about the Khan's not being celebrated with a song etc. I think they have really torched chances of that over the ticket prices. Leeds should have been £20 and a real atmosphere.
...with it being on the TV it makes little sense charging £40... but lets see if the crowds agree?.... the gate will answer...
COYW
When you look at what players are being paid high prices are not surprising. The new stand has to be paid for somehow. So let's just put it into proportion a little bit. While fans flock to the ground there is little reason not to put prices up
Quote from: Andy S on February 14, 2023, 12:12:06 PM
When you look at what players are being paid high prices are not surprising. The new stand has to be paid for somehow. So let's just put it into proportion a little bit. While fans flock to the ground there is little reason not to put prices up
So your philosophy is to bite the hand that feeds you.
Following on from the £100 charge for the new stand I am disappointed with the club for charging so much for the Leeds game .
I have been regularly attending the Cottage since about 1948 and for the first time ever am thinking of deliberately avoiding the match, will watch on TV.
I can recall in the first season back at Craven Cottage (2004/05), we drew Chelsea in the League Cup. As I recall, grade 'A' price of £30-£35 was charged. Result was attendance of around 15-16,000 with around 6,000 being their mob.
Was a season ticket holder back then and price wise far better.
Whilst I objected when prices for over 65's hit £65 the objection was to being called a "casual". However, I can accept that charges of this level need to be made to pay for the ever increasing cost of players, energy and other items that inflation and fuel costs impact. I don't feel that a £40 charge for the Leeds game is a rip off. Pricey yes but a rip off no and perhaps, given it is on TV a mistake. As to the Khan's my opinion is that Mr Khan has been an excellent custodian and I hope that he will continue to be. I could not understand the bile that was (and in some cases still is) directed at TK. He made mistakes but appears to have learnt from them. Lets not forget that the money spent was, at the end of the day the Khan's money.
Quote from: Cambridge Pete on February 14, 2023, 01:00:01 PM
Whilst I objected when prices for over 65's hit £65 the objection was to being called a "casual". However, I can accept that charges of this level need to be made to pay for the ever increasing cost of players, energy and other items that inflation and fuel costs impact. I don't feel that a £40 charge for the Leeds game is a rip off. Pricey yes but a rip off no and perhaps, given it is on TV a mistake. As to the Khan's my opinion is that Mr Khan has been an excellent custodian and I hope that he will continue to be. I could not understand the bile that was (and in some cases still is) directed at TK. He made mistakes but appears to have learnt from them. Lets not forget that the money spent was, at the end of the day the Khan's money.
Thing is, the cost of players is irrelevant to the cost of ticket prices, clubs would still be plenty in profit charging a flat £30 for home and away games, its even less than this at Bayern Munich and I think their costs are higher with even less TV money than we get.
Clubs, including Fulham are just pushing boundaries, how far can they push us,? whats the limit? I'll never buy merchandise again because of the cost, the prices of tickets, again pushing boundaries.
Clubs are greedy, they don't need fans money. I'm not saying they shouldn't charge for anything but the prices everywhere can be halved.
TV pays for the players transfers, salary, new stands etc the fans money is a bonus.
Don't forget Al-fayed wanted to knock the Cottage down and build Harrods themed flats there in 2002/3.
Ticket prices have gone up but we still have two of the best walks to an iconic football ground. Footballs not bad either atm.
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on February 14, 2023, 12:06:42 PM
Quote from: Take Me Home MAF on February 14, 2023, 11:54:48 AM
I have been going to Fulham since just before Tigana's first season - with the recent ticket increases, and the Leeds pricing fiasco it has led me to thinking whether we ever had had these issues with MAF?
From memory I can't remember a point where there was a mood that the ticket pricing disproportionate like it is at the moment.
Interested to see if anyone can remember examples, or if it was as rosy as I remember. There were always lots of "kids for a quid", discounted cup games etc. - which were a great incentives for people.
I know if MAF had his way we would have been been on the site of Westfield now, so not everything he got right. But I feel with tickets he did.
Some people moan about the Khan's not being celebrated with a song etc. I think they have really torched chances of that over the ticket prices. Leeds should have been £20 and a real atmosphere.
...with it being on the TV it makes little sense charging £40... but lets see if the crowds agree?.... the gate will answer...
COYW
So far it's looking like fans aren't appreciating being fleeced by the club... I've long (well since this season) been irritated by the clubs pricing strategy and now see going to games as something I'd like to do but can't justify often at their current prices. It comes to the fore where you see photo's of our games and fans in the new riverside stand taking photos on their cameras when the opposition score... they're not Fulham fans, at the very least they're tourists. They're destroying the soul of the club in my opinion.
https://twitter.com/Turnstile_Talk/status/1625248682323869696
https://twitter.com/Turnstile_Talk/status/1625249929483415573
Can't find the clearer photo I saw at the time, but you can kind of see in the corner of the picture titled 'Alejandro Garnacho holds up his shirt after scoring the match-winning goal' in the left corner, about five fans in our riverside stand with their phones out - the majority of whom are taking pictures of Garnacho and Man Utd fans celebrating.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12743996/fulham-1-2-man-utd-alejandro-garnachos-last-gasp-winner-seals-dramatic-victory-for-erik-ten-hags-side-before-world-cup#:~:text=Manchester%20United%20teenager%20Alejandro%20Garnacho,game%20before%20the%20World%20Cup.
Whether you think the £40 for Leeds is fine or not, it is all essentially bonus unbudgeted income for the club. As is the tv money and prize money.
The only mitigation I can find for a pricing policy that will result in empty seats for a FA Cup Fifth Round match is that the home and away club have to agree the prices.
The particular bone of contention for me is the adult price being double the 65+ concession price.
Personally I think £40 is too much but let's just acknowledge that it's £20 for over 65's. I also agree that £100 for the two ends and all the front rows of the Riverside is too expensive. I really think they've got their pricing policy hopelessly wrong on that one.
i guess it comes to what people see as ' ripping people off ' i have started to get slightly frustrated with the constant attack from ' loyal fans' online ( mainly fb groups and twitter ) who say they can't afford tickets and they have always been going to games.
However, clearly not. Our gates in the championship show that we were hardly ever selling out and being thousands below our capacity, plus i remember being at some games and seeing an abundance of empty seats.
It seems to me, alot of these loyal fans who complain should be called ' loyal fans when we get into the premier league'.
HOWEVER, i do think that those who can prove they have been to x-amount of games in the space of x amount of years should get a good value ticket. If you were with us vs millwall etc then you should be with us vs United, and not paying 100 pound for the pleasure.
For those who didn't go to our games when we were in the championship or struggling and are now kicking off they cant get a ticket..... tough luck.
Personally do not think I am being 'fleeced' by being asked to pay £40, maybe they're a tenner too much. However I do balk at £100 a time in the new stand although with having a season ticket in P3 its academic for me at the moment. However for most of the league games the new stand is virtually selling out so there are people out there who are willing to pay these sums to watch Premier League football. The big question for me will be the season ticket prices in the stand for next season. Having been a ST holder there for the past 30 years I really don't want to be priced out of the stand. We shall see!
I don't think 40 quid is outrageous or a rip off
Regarding the Riverside it will be expensive next season, season tickets and day tickets.
The club do not want or need long term fans in those seats, they will want new wealthy, corporate and day tripping fans who will pay for the add-ons like hospitality, spend in the club shop etc
Remembering ticket prices when petrol was not over £7 a gallon
Average house prices were not over £250,000
A pint of beer didn't cost over £6
Gas and electric prices didn't rival a monthly mortgage payment.
With the average theatre ticket in London costing around £140 I don't think our prices are outrageous.
I would say though when I first had a season ticket some cup games were included which I think would show appreciation from the club for our commitment and outlay at a time when a lot cannot afford it.
My concession season ticket this season for the JH stand was increased to about £20 per match. I thought that was reasonable for premier league football. Hard to see how I am now being asked to pay £25 plus postage etc. for a FA CUP 5th round tie.
If you don't wanna pay then sneak in
I've always had this policy with gigs, football matches etc.
Where there's a will there's a way
Quote from: filham on February 14, 2023, 05:51:32 PM
My concession season ticket this season for the JH stand was increased to about £20 per match. I thought that was reasonable for premier league football. Hard to see how I am now being asked to pay £25 plus postage etc. for a FA CUP 5th round tie.
If you can, download the ticket & print it yourself to save the postage.
To borrow a phrase, every little helps.
Yes, I know. Paper, ink, electric but I've paid for that already.
Looks like this is starting to annoy a host of fans on a regular basis, some people genuinely seething... Whoever is responsible for setting the prices for the tickets this season has got it horribly wrong and should do a major about turn or get fired.
To think, for a cup game that's televised, they should be charging £40 is atrocious behaviour by the club and it looks like people so far are actively staying away in protest.
https://twitter.com/ormondroyd/status/1625439661068808192/photo/1
https://twitter.com/ormondroyd/status/1625440070193782785
In general the Khans are good owners. However, they are definitely not when it comes to ticket prices. I think most British fans think that football should be for everyone, it is traditionally a working class game and so you shouldn't price out loyal supporters. I get the distinct impression with the Khans that they are purely American businessmen who couldn't care less if a seat is taken by an away fan, corporate hospitality, a tourist or a loyal fan who has watched us in all four divisions. For them selling tickets is purely a business transaction and as long as there are bums on seats they couldn't care less who it was.
Quote from: Sammyffc on February 14, 2023, 04:56:36 PM
i guess it comes to what people see as ' ripping people off ' i have started to get slightly frustrated with the constant attack from ' loyal fans' online ( mainly fb groups and twitter ) who say they can't afford tickets and they have always been going to games.
However, clearly not. Our gates in the championship show that we were hardly ever selling out and being thousands below our capacity, plus i remember being at some games and seeing an abundance of empty seats.
It seems to me, alot of these loyal fans who complain should be called ' loyal fans when we get into the premier league'.
HOWEVER, i do think that those who can prove they have been to x-amount of games in the space of x amount of years should get a good value ticket. If you were with us vs millwall etc then you should be with us vs United, and not paying 100 pound for the pleasure.
For those who didn't go to our games when we were in the championship or struggling and are now kicking off they cant get a ticket..... tough luck.
Good post. Fair perspective.
Quote from: Samjack on February 14, 2023, 08:09:24 PM
In general the Khans are good owners. However, they are definitely not when it comes to ticket prices. I think most British fans think that football should be for everyone, it is traditionally a working class game and so you shouldn't price out loyal supporters. I get the distinct impression with the Khans that they are purely American businessmen who couldn't care less if a seat is taken by an away fan, corporate hospitality, a tourist or a loyal fan who has watched us in all four divisions. For them selling tickets is purely a business transaction and as long as there are bums on seats they couldn't care less who it was.
They probably feel that he older traditional fans are being replaced by younger, better off fans, often not from London, but here for work, and Fulham is a club they want to support because of it's safe, family image, and they have the cash to pay these ticket prices.
I think they do think of the fans, but they are businessmen too, that's why they have the money to invest in a Prem club in this country - and that's a lot of money if you want to succeed at all.
It's market forces, and if not enough bought the tickets, the price would soon come down. While we are successful, we will attract crowds, as a elite London club, with a lot going for it for the casual and not so casual fan, whatever the ticket prices.
That's the game in this country, all based on money - to compete you have to send a massive amounts on players and wages, build stadiums to attract the types of fans who want to see these highly paid, élite, players, and thus the ticket prices.
The time of football as a cheap working-class entertainment, that I remember, has long gone - even the cheapest Fulham tickets are hard for me to afford.
At least Fulham is still going, competing at the top level, because of firstly MAF, then the Khans, who seem to have safeguarded his legacy - a good choice by him.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2023, 12:23:50 PM
Quote from: Andy S on February 14, 2023, 12:12:06 PM
When you look at what players are being paid high prices are not surprising. The new stand has to be paid for somehow. So let's just put it into proportion a little bit. While fans flock to the ground there is little reason not to put prices up
So your philosophy is to bite the hand that feeds you.
Now we are in the Premier League people that are Investment Bankers, Currency Traders, Lawyers, Surgeons, and Entrepreneurs want to see us. London is filled with Bankers and has plenty of people in the other categories, the ticket prices are
incredibly cheap for such people, and will pay whomever/whatever to get a seat.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 14, 2023, 10:33:56 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2023, 12:23:50 PM
Quote from: Andy S on February 14, 2023, 12:12:06 PM
When you look at what players are being paid high prices are not surprising. The new stand has to be paid for somehow. So let's just put it into proportion a little bit. While fans flock to the ground there is little reason not to put prices up
So your philosophy is to bite the hand that feeds you.
Now we are in the Premier League people that are Investment Bankers, Currency Traders, Lawyers, Surgeons, and Entrepreneurs want to see us. London is filled with Bankers and has plenty of people in the other categories, the ticket prices are incredibly cheap for such people, and will pay whomever/whatever to get a seat.
It is very sad and disappointing to read your comments. You are completely detached from reality.
You are talking about the plastic fans who are jumping on the bandwagon whilst Fulham are doing well in the Premier League.
Where were they when we were hosting York City, Lincoln City, Southend and Cambridge Utd to name but a few.
If and when Fulham go through a bad patch or get relegated, these same plastic fans Bankers, Traders and hangers on will jump ship as quickly as they came, and find another club who suits their needs.
Yet the real fans the loyal regulars through thick and thin who spend their hard earned money with a limited budget will still be there supporting the team no matter what.
The die hards who you prefer to see fleeced and out-priced.
These loyal fans are the life blood of the club, the glue that keeps the club and support together.
Never bite the hand that feeds you and certainly not the people who will always be there for Fulham.
Not your fly by night's glory hunters sipping their Gin & Tonics.
HE WHO FEEDS THE CROCODILE THE MOST DOES SO IN THE HOPE HE WILL BE THE LAST TO BE EATEN.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2023, 11:03:48 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 14, 2023, 10:33:56 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2023, 12:23:50 PM
Quote from: Andy S on February 14, 2023, 12:12:06 PM
When you look at what players are being paid high prices are not surprising. The new stand has to be paid for somehow. So let's just put it into proportion a little bit. While fans flock to the ground there is little reason not to put prices up
So your philosophy is to bite the hand that feeds you.
Now we are in the Premier League people that are Investment Bankers, Currency Traders, Lawyers, Surgeons, and Entrepreneurs want to see us. London is filled with Bankers and has plenty of people in the other categories, the ticket prices are incredibly cheap for such people, and will pay whomever/whatever to get a seat.
It is very sad and disappointing to read your comments. You are completely detached from reality.
You are talking about the plastic fans who are jumping on the bandwagon whilst Fulham are doing well in the Premier League.
Where were they when we were hosting York City, Lincoln City, Southend and Cambridge Utd to name but a few.
If and when Fulham go through a bad patch or get relegated, these same plastic fans Bankers, Traders and hangers on will jump ship as quickly as they came, and find another club who suits their needs.
Yet the real fans the loyal regulars through thick and thin who spend their hard earned money with a limited budget will still be there supporting the team no matter what.
The die hards who you prefer to see fleeced and out-priced.
These loyal fans are the life blood of the club, the glue that keeps the club and support together.
Never bite the hand that feeds you and certainly not the people who will always be there for Fulham.
Not your fly by night's glory hunters sipping their Gin & Tonics.
HE WHO FEEDS THE CROCODILE THE MOST DOES SO IN THE HOPE HE WILL BE THE LAST TO BE EATEN.
Fulham should be concerned about supporting its loyal fans how watched games like Fulham vs Cardiff City on 19 December 1995, but how many loyal fans are there because gate attendance for that game was 2,284 including Cardiff fans. In addition, no League game in 94/95 exceeded 6,195 people (plus that was vs a London team), and no league game in 95/96 exceeded 5,617 people.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 15, 2023, 10:53:52 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2023, 11:03:48 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 14, 2023, 10:33:56 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2023, 12:23:50 PM
Quote from: Andy S on February 14, 2023, 12:12:06 PM
When you look at what players are being paid high prices are not surprising. The new stand has to be paid for somehow. So let's just put it into proportion a little bit. While fans flock to the ground there is little reason not to put prices up
So your philosophy is to bite the hand that feeds you.
Now we are in the Premier League people that are Investment Bankers, Currency Traders, Lawyers, Surgeons, and Entrepreneurs want to see us. London is filled with Bankers and has plenty of people in the other categories, the ticket prices are incredibly cheap for such people, and will pay whomever/whatever to get a seat.
It is very sad and disappointing to read your comments. You are completely detached from reality.
You are talking about the plastic fans who are jumping on the bandwagon whilst Fulham are doing well in the Premier League.
Where were they when we were hosting York City, Lincoln City, Southend and Cambridge Utd to name but a few.
If and when Fulham go through a bad patch or get relegated, these same plastic fans Bankers, Traders and hangers on will jump ship as quickly as they came, and find another club who suits their needs.
Yet the real fans the loyal regulars through thick and thin who spend their hard earned money with a limited budget will still be there supporting the team no matter what.
The die hards who you prefer to see fleeced and out-priced.
These loyal fans are the life blood of the club, the glue that keeps the club and support together.
Never bite the hand that feeds you and certainly not the people who will always be there for Fulham.
Not your fly by night's glory hunters sipping their Gin & Tonics.
HE WHO FEEDS THE CROCODILE THE MOST DOES SO IN THE HOPE HE WILL BE THE LAST TO BE EATEN.
Fulham should be concerned about supporting its loyal fans how watched games like Fulham vs Cardiff City on 19 December 1995, but how many loyal fans are there because gate attendance for that game was 2,284 including Cardiff fans. In addition, no League game in 94/95 exceeded 6,195 people (plus that was vs a London team), and no league game in 95/96 exceeded 5,617 people.
Wow. i've heard it all now, that is astonishing and breathtaking, it is not of this earth.
I must write this post of yours down and read it at night before going to bed.
Much better than taking a sleeping tablet.
The NHS could take it up too, as a recognised cure for insomnia. 💤💤💤💤💤💤
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 16, 2023, 12:35:55 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 15, 2023, 10:53:52 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2023, 11:03:48 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 14, 2023, 10:33:56 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2023, 12:23:50 PM
Quote from: Andy S on February 14, 2023, 12:12:06 PM
When you look at what players are being paid high prices are not surprising. The new stand has to be paid for somehow. So let's just put it into proportion a little bit. While fans flock to the ground there is little reason not to put prices up
So your philosophy is to bite the hand that feeds you.
Now we are in the Premier League people that are Investment Bankers, Currency Traders, Lawyers, Surgeons, and Entrepreneurs want to see us. London is filled with Bankers and has plenty of people in the other categories, the ticket prices are incredibly cheap for such people, and will pay whomever/whatever to get a seat.
It is very sad and disappointing to read your comments. You are completely detached from reality.
You are talking about the plastic fans who are jumping on the bandwagon whilst Fulham are doing well in the Premier League.
Where were they when we were hosting York City, Lincoln City, Southend and Cambridge Utd to name but a few.
If and when Fulham go through a bad patch or get relegated, these same plastic fans Bankers, Traders and hangers on will jump ship as quickly as they came, and find another club who suits their needs.
Yet the real fans the loyal regulars through thick and thin who spend their hard earned money with a limited budget will still be there supporting the team no matter what.
The die hards who you prefer to see fleeced and out-priced.
These loyal fans are the life blood of the club, the glue that keeps the club and support together.
Never bite the hand that feeds you and certainly not the people who will always be there for Fulham.
Not your fly by night's glory hunters sipping their Gin & Tonics.
HE WHO FEEDS THE CROCODILE THE MOST DOES SO IN THE HOPE HE WILL BE THE LAST TO BE EATEN.
Fulham should be concerned about supporting its loyal fans how watched games like Fulham vs Cardiff City on 19 December 1995, but how many loyal fans are there because gate attendance for that game was 2,284 including Cardiff fans. In addition, no League game in 94/95 exceeded 6,195 people (plus that was vs a London team), and no league game in 95/96 exceeded 5,617 people.
Wow. i've heard it all now, that is astonishing and breathtaking, it is not of this earth.
I must write this post of yours down and read it at night before going to bed.
Much better than taking a sleeping tablet.
The NHS could take it up too, as a recognised cure for insomnia. 💤💤💤💤💤💤
Don't shoot the messenger, I have been to many games with less than 5000 people with a lot of them being away fans in the times before MAF. I am a loyal fan that has supported the club in every division, but we are dying out at every Club including Manchester United with kids of ManU fans support ManCity. If we aren't challenging for premier league promotion or in the premier league, half the fans will go. If we are mid-table in League One, the stadium will be pretty empty with not too many willing to pay £15m for a League One game. Reality is harsh, loyal fans aren't valued by clubs but they are a small part of the fan base.
The ticket prices are just an inevitable consequence of the whole money orientation of the game nowadays. For better or worse it's not the game most of us grew up with. It's not a game of hard graft with heavy boots on a muddy quagmire with a bloke with a flat cap flogging chestnuts any more, it's trying to become a whole entertainment. What next,
majorettes (again!). The thread on Les Barrett feeds into this.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 16, 2023, 02:47:48 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 16, 2023, 12:35:55 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 15, 2023, 10:53:52 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2023, 11:03:48 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 14, 2023, 10:33:56 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2023, 12:23:50 PM
Quote from: Andy S on February 14, 2023, 12:12:06 PM
When you look at what players are being paid high prices are not surprising. The new stand has to be paid for somehow. So let's just put it into proportion a little bit. While fans flock to the ground there is little reason not to put prices up
So your philosophy is to bite the hand that feeds you.
Now we are in the Premier League people that are Investment Bankers, Currency Traders, Lawyers, Surgeons, and Entrepreneurs want to see us. London is filled with Bankers and has plenty of people in the other categories, the ticket prices are incredibly cheap for such people, and will pay whomever/whatever to get a seat.
It is very sad and disappointing to read your comments. You are completely detached from reality.
You are talking about the plastic fans who are jumping on the bandwagon whilst Fulham are doing well in the Premier League.
Where were they when we were hosting York City, Lincoln City, Southend and Cambridge Utd to name but a few.
If and when Fulham go through a bad patch or get relegated, these same plastic fans Bankers, Traders and hangers on will jump ship as quickly as they came, and find another club who suits their needs.
Yet the real fans the loyal regulars through thick and thin who spend their hard earned money with a limited budget will still be there supporting the team no matter what.
The die hards who you prefer to see fleeced and out-priced.
These loyal fans are the life blood of the club, the glue that keeps the club and support together.
Never bite the hand that feeds you and certainly not the people who will always be there for Fulham.
Not your fly by night's glory hunters sipping their Gin & Tonics.
HE WHO FEEDS THE CROCODILE THE MOST DOES SO IN THE HOPE HE WILL BE THE LAST TO BE EATEN.
Fulham should be concerned about supporting its loyal fans how watched games like Fulham vs Cardiff City on 19 December 1995, but how many loyal fans are there because gate attendance for that game was 2,284 including Cardiff fans. In addition, no League game in 94/95 exceeded 6,195 people (plus that was vs a London team), and no league game in 95/96 exceeded 5,617 people.
Wow. i've heard it all now, that is astonishing and breathtaking, it is not of this earth.
I must write this post of yours down and read it at night before going to bed.
Much better than taking a sleeping tablet.
The NHS could take it up too, as a recognised cure for insomnia. 💤💤💤💤💤💤
Don't shoot the messenger, I have been to many games with less than 5000 people with a lot of them being away fans in the times before MAF. I am a loyal fan that has supported the club in every division, but we are dying out at every Club including Manchester United with kids of ManU fans support ManCity. If we aren't challenging for premier league promotion or in the premier league, half the fans will go. If we are mid-table in League One, the stadium will be pretty empty with not too many willing to pay £15m for a League One game. Reality is harsh, loyal fans aren't valued by clubs but they are a small part of the fan base.
I cannot see you winning many Trophies in the football fraternity for empathy.
I am certainly not questioning your support for mighty Fulham just your judgment on this particular issue.
I am sure you noted that during the pandemic when the football was played in empty stadiums how eery and bereft of any atmosphere around these stadiums was felt.
Would you like that to happen again for different reasons.
So be careful what you wish for because near empty or half empty stadiums could happen again for those reasons and your privileged floating supporters would not be seen for burning rubber.
Don't shoot the messenger you may ask, but you have already done that yourself by not only shooting yourself in the foot, you have actually blown it off completely.
As the messenger your defence of the indefensible deduces that you SHOULD be shot then buried, then dug up and shot again.
You have to remember that when your house is on fire you do not reach for the petrol can.
Your argument is not the reasons of a Rational Man.
It equates to giving your dog a treat after he's pooed on your slippers.
My uncle was priced out of going to Fulham 20 odd years ago. I used to buy his season ticket and he would pay me as and when he went but eventually decided he couldn't make it work and didn't want me to keep paying for him not that it was a problem.
People getting priced out of the game is nothing new and certainly not just under SK. Prices in everything go up all the time it's just how it is and decisions have to be made. I'm sure at some stage I will need to decide if I can still afford to go but at the moment mine and my kids season tickets are very reasonably priced and if they are subsidised by those paying £100 in the Riverside fantastic. Having been a season ticket holder for god knows how many years I'm enjoying heap PL football.
And as has been mentioned, last season for mid week games on a cold night I regularly had a row of seats to myself and the kids. Where were all these loyal supporters then?
Personally I dont think £40 for a 5th round FA cup tie against premier league opposition is as bad as people are making out.
Quote from: Caedal on February 16, 2023, 09:57:56 AM
Personally I dont think £40 for a 5th round FA cup tie against premier league opposition is as bad as people are making out.
...and you are entitled to your view.. but with the match being on BBC1 do you not think it would make more sense to charge £20 and fill the place?
I went to Hull in the 1st round...£10 a ticket and Sunderland away... £15 a ticket... yes both opposition were Championship, but let's be honest Leeds will be in there next season... if it was v Man City or Arsenal you might be able to argue 'value for money'.... but not v Leeds.... I paid £60 to watch us at home v Everton for a Premier League game and didn't complain... that's the price for success... but this just seems ill judged ....
Of course we will know if the club got it's policy spot-on when we see the crowd on the night... I'm sure the caterers would rather have a full stadium too...
But for me I shall be an armchair viewer that night... but still shouting and cheering as loud as when I am there...
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Firstly let me say that in my opinion Fulham have got this wrong and tickets should have been something like £20 Hammersmith end, £25 JHS, £40 Riverside.
Let's however put it into perspective, the above pricing is similar to what you would pay for Shrewsbury v Forest Green and this being a big cup game v Premier League opposition which puts it into a different bracket.
The question comes down to who do you want to attract? One of tourist types or your loyal fan base, or even potentially new fans, this where I think Fulham have got this wrong. I would try and attract younger fans by offering a special kids discount in the Johnny Haynes, £30 for adults and £15 for under 16's. Get your loyal noisy fans in the Hammersmith end, £20 for adults and £15 for 25 and under.
So what is going wrong. Anyone who thinks the khans are making up ticket prices are deluded. It's probably something like the person who is responsible for increasing revenue, having an objective to increase turn over from the sale of tickets, this objective is probably from Mackintosh. He or she will have done some calculations like if I charge £40 and over half fill the ground I get more revenue than charging £20 and filling the place. Maybe they don't factor in add-ones like food and drink.
Fulham are looking at short term gains at the expense of long term and that strategy and direction will be probably from Mackintosh who is the one to attack over this. It's clearly wrong and needs to be called out.
I've got my ticket and being over 65 I only paid £20 which I regard as perfectly reasonable. Hwever I'm concerned that there will be many empty seats because with the match being on free to air TV not too many supporters will be prepared to pay £40. The place may well be ful of OAP's!
I do think they've got this one wrong as I think they've got the Riverside pricing wrong. Centre sections under cover £100 is probably fine but the front rows and left & right sections should have been around £75.
Quote from: StuinSalop on February 16, 2023, 11:29:23 AM
So what is going wrong. Anyone who thinks the khans are making up ticket prices are deluded. It's probably something like the person who is responsible for increasing revenue, having an objective to increase turn over from the sale of tickets, this objective is probably from Mackintosh. He or she will have done some calculations like if I charge £40 and over half fill the ground I get more revenue than charging £20 and filling the place. Maybe they don't factor in add-ones like food and drink.
Fulham are looking at short term gains at the expense of long term and that strategy and direction will be probably from Mackintosh who is the one to attack over this. It's clearly wrong and needs to be called out.
It's a business and they can charge what they like - though I would be sure it is the management and not the owners who set the prices. They have to maximise the income and as has been said, that it not always achieved by selling more seats.
We do all though seem to be happy to pay for a beer and a pie either on the way to or from the ground or at the cottage itself. Without complaining on here about how much they have gone up since the Egyptian sold the club.
On the brightside; the Khan family put more money into the running of the club than we do every year, but that amount is limited by FFP or the operating profit.
Given their addition investment - beyond the FFP allowance, which I think is maxed out most seasons - on the new training ground development and Riverside Stand - Mr Khan cannot be described as stingy and I do believe he is proud of our club.
The club should have set the price at £20 per ticket then even more tourists could watch the game.
Quote from: Roberty on February 16, 2023, 11:56:06 AM
Quote from: StuinSalop on February 16, 2023, 11:29:23 AM
So what is going wrong. Anyone who thinks the khans are making up ticket prices are deluded. It's probably something like the person who is responsible for increasing revenue, having an objective to increase turn over from the sale of tickets, this objective is probably from Mackintosh. He or she will have done some calculations like if I charge £40 and over half fill the ground I get more revenue than charging £20 and filling the place. Maybe they don't factor in add-ones like food and drink.
Fulham are looking at short term gains at the expense of long term and that strategy and direction will be probably from Mackintosh who is the one to attack over this. It's clearly wrong and needs to be called out.
Totally agree Roberty. We should be careful what we wish for too in continuous criticism of our owners in particular Tony; if they decide to sell up who do you think would be interested - Saudi, Qataris backers or different owners that don't show an appreciation of the values that our club traditionally followe?. We are fortunate to have the Khans as owners with their financial backing plus their understanding and following of what we love about our club shouldn't be overlooked. Yes mistakes get made but over time they are realised and corrected e.g. transfer activity. I believe a mistake has been made with Leeds ticket prices but then it's your choice to purchase or not. It's our club and we have been demanding a cup run for years, so make your decision. If we get to the semi final and final who will be arguing about ticket prices at Wembley (which are dictated by the FA)?
It's a business and they can charge what they like - though I would be sure it is the management and not the owners who set the prices. They have to maximise the income and as has been said, that it not always achieved by selling more seats.
We do all though seem to be happy to pay for a beer and a pie either on the way to or from the ground or at the cottage itself. Without complaining on here about how much they have gone up since the Egyptian sold the club.
On the brightside; the Khan family put more money into the running of the club than we do every year, but that amount is limited by FFP or the operating profit.
Given their addition investment - beyond the FFP allowance, which I think is maxed out most seasons - on the new training ground development and Riverside Stand - Mr Khan cannot be described as stingy and I do believe he is proud of our club.
Quote from: cookieg on February 16, 2023, 12:26:07 PM
The club should have set the price at £20 per ticket then even more tourists could watch the game.
If Fulham vs Wolves was priced at £20 per ticket, then there would be 50,000 people wanting tickets and half the fans wouldn't get a ticket. If Fulham sells £20 tickets, then who out of the fans that want them gets the tickets? In truth, probably the Scalpers would get many of the tickets and they would resell them at a much high price than we pay now. Alternatively, if you want to sell cheap tickets to some Loyal fans and full price to Bandwagon fans then imagine the paperwork.
Going ont he ST point earlier- I'd imagine that they have risen very minimally over the past 20 odd years (i was a ST holder for 18 odd years but let it go when I moved to devon). Way less so than the single ticket prices.
So much so, even though I get to around 10-12 home games a season, it's way better for me financially to now buy two season tickets than 10-12 match tickets. When I'm not using them family who still live locally can use them.
Quote from: cookieg on February 16, 2023, 09:06:56 AM
My uncle was priced out of going to Fulham 20 odd years ago. I used to buy his season ticket and he would pay me as and when he went but eventually decided he couldn't make it work and didn't want me to keep paying for him not that it was a problem.
People getting priced out of the game is nothing new and certainly not just under SK. Prices in everything go up all the time it's just how it is and decisions have to be made. I'm sure at some stage I will need to decide if I can still afford to go but at the moment mine and my kids season tickets are very reasonably priced and if they are subsidised by those paying £100 in the Riverside fantastic. Having been a season ticket holder for god knows how many years I'm enjoying heap PL football.
And as has been mentioned, last season for mid week games on a cold night I regularly had a row of seats to myself and the kids. Where were all these loyal supporters then?
What a sensible post. :plus one:
TK has to run Fulham as a business and will be judged not by the number of bums on seats but rather by the takings for each match.
He may just have misjudged this one , the high price may even result in low overall takings particularly if the knock on effect of other sales is taken into account.
I think with the game on BBC for free there is a chance that there will be empty seats no matter what you charged.
If you cant afford the tickets then you can miss this one out and watch it at home... the club is doing alot correct at the moment and I think they are within their right to charge what they want...
Alot of those moaning are also the ones who say "let's take a punt on such and such" during the transfer window thread. Club cant win.
Greater interest in this game, with it being closer to the Final, maybe why they've raised the price for a Cup match, though on TV too, which could impact the crowd.
Just have to see if the club feels justified in the ticket price, with the number they sell.
Lets hope that the purchasers of tickets for Leeds game will get priority over others who are not going for the semi final and Final at Wembley. Somehow I can see no arguments from these supporters about the excessive prices set by the FA and will be moaning why they can't get access to tickets.
Think the khan's have stung the fans and remember when we had low gates when divisions 2&3.Also understand the business model ,but overall they are good owners in most areas.
What's more a rip off is the no discount for OAP's and kids on riverside season tickets . £40 about right for the Leeds cup match ans £20 for me OAP. I more annoyed at no announcement till they actually went on sale and I couldn't get my normal seat.
Quote from: Motspur on February 17, 2023, 06:57:11 PM
Lets hope that the purchasers of tickets for Leeds game will get priority over others who are not going for the semi final and Final at Wembley. Somehow I can see no arguments from these supporters about the excessive prices set by the FA and will be moaning why they can't get access to tickets.
You hope persons that purchase tickets for the Leeds match get future priority ahead of loyalty points, season ticket holders and members? Feels a lot to me like you're alright Jack, probably with your half price concession ticket.