Most over rated player I've ever seen Grace the premier league, loses the ball more often than anything else, seems to wear blinkers when on a football pitch, yes his close control and dribbling seems decent but he runs blindly, dribbling towards his own goal or towards to corner flag meaning even when successful he's left in no man's land without a way out.
The absolute most stupid interest I've heard, I am absolutely praying were not about to waste a lot of money on this guy. I have a lot of everton family and I've been rinsing them for 2 years that they best hope is two of the worst players ever. Iwobi and grey, two players we're interested in 😫.
Iwobi miss hits the ball more than anyone I've ever seen, can never strike a ball cleanly. I've never been more into the idea of not getting a player, I'd rather absolutely anyone else!
I mean when he's played centrally he's actually quite good, and the last two occasions we've played Everton he's caused us no end of problems. Fat Frank might be a useless manager but the one thing he did well was to play him centrally and for a while he looked like a very good player at Everton. If we rotate him with Pereira and allow him to be a physical ball carrying presence in the middle of the pitch then he will make us a better team
He's a good player and looked great against us, but for me we should prioritise someone that scores more goals.
Yeh, I don;t agree with this assessment of Iwobi really. Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to give the guy a chance and think he's not warranted his transfer fee to Everton but he clearly adds some steel and athleticism to that Everton side. Couple of friends messaged me last night after the skysports links and said he's actually been one of their outstanding performers in such a weak side.
Last season a friend of mine described Everton of having a squad full of 'low ceiling players'. I think that's a great term for players like Iwobi and Gray, as well as a few others we've been linked to, like Dier and Fred
They'll have good spells and bad spells, but they'll never hit that level you want to take a side to the next level, compared to the real quality we brought in last summer in Leno, Palhinha and Willian
I cant understand paying 15+M for a player that's free next year
He ran us ragged a few seasons ago at The Cottage!
I think of Iwobi as like a lesser Anguissa. He doesn't have a lot of end product but he's a handful in the middle of the pitch, can win tackles and run with the ball up the pitch. He then needs to find a pass because his shooting is not up to much. He's a player I'd rather have on my bench or in my team than play against.
He'll be a good buy, but don't think he'll score 15+ goals in a prem season
Quote from: bencher on August 31, 2023, 12:26:32 PMI think of Iwobi as like a lesser Anguissa. He doesn't have a lot of end product but he's a handful in the middle of the pitch, can win tackles and run with the ball up the pitch. He then needs to find a pass because his shooting is not up to much. He's a player I'd rather have on my bench or in my team than play against.
This is spot on. His strength and ability to beat the press and progress the ball up the pitch in central areas is an incredibly useful skill we don't have much of in the squad at present. He doesn't score as many goals as he should, but he got 8 assists for Everton last year (and the stats have him creating a load of other good chances his teammates couldn't finish). I'd have him starting over Reed for sure, and he'll provide better competition for Pereira than Cairney.
I'd gladly pay £15m for him in today's market. But for me he's not a replacement for a CHO/Ocampos style signing, which we would also make ideally.
Quote from: itombomb on August 31, 2023, 12:35:34 PMQuote from: bencher on August 31, 2023, 12:26:32 PMI think of Iwobi as like a lesser Anguissa. He doesn't have a lot of end product but he's a handful in the middle of the pitch, can win tackles and run with the ball up the pitch. He then needs to find a pass because his shooting is not up to much. He's a player I'd rather have on my bench or in my team than play against.
This is spot on. His strength and ability to beat the press and progress the ball up the pitch in central areas is an incredibly useful skill we don't have much of in the squad at present. He doesn't score as many goals as he should, but he got 8 assists for Everton last year (and the stats have him creating a load of other good chances his teammates couldn't finish). I'd have him starting over Reed for sure, and he'll provide better competition for Pereira than Cairney.
I'd gladly pay £15m for him in today's market. But for me he's not a replacement for a CHO/Ocampos style signing, which we would also make ideally.
I would also look at him as competing for the Reed/Lukic spot, and able to play in AP's spot.
Quote from: Nero on August 31, 2023, 11:51:31 AMI cant understand paying 15+M for a player that's free next year
Is this an argument against us signing Iwobi or against the price we are asking for Tosin?
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 31, 2023, 11:49:07 AMYeh, I don;t agree with this assessment of Iwobi really. Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to give the guy a chance and think he's not warranted his transfer fee to Everton but he clearly adds some steel and athleticism to that Everton side. Couple of friends messaged me last night after the skysports links and said he's actually been one of their outstanding performers in such a weak side.
That's critical. He may not be a star player himself, but surround him with quality or at least higher caliber team dynamics, and it won't all fall on him to do, and he can thrive I feel
Quote from: itombomb on August 31, 2023, 12:35:34 PMQuote from: bencher on August 31, 2023, 12:26:32 PMI think of Iwobi as like a lesser Anguissa. He doesn't have a lot of end product but he's a handful in the middle of the pitch, can win tackles and run with the ball up the pitch. He then needs to find a pass because his shooting is not up to much. He's a player I'd rather have on my bench or in my team than play against.
This is spot on. His strength and ability to beat the press and progress the ball up the pitch in central areas is an incredibly useful skill we don't have much of in the squad at present. He doesn't score as many goals as he should, but he got 8 assists for Everton last year (and the stats have him creating a load of other good chances his teammates couldn't finish). I'd have him starting over Reed for sure, and he'll provide better competition for Pereira than Cairney.
I'd gladly pay £15m for him in today's market. But for me he's not a replacement for a CHO/Ocampos style signing, which we would also make ideally.
Assists are vital to the goals that they support - if he gets 10 assists that means, obviously, we score 10 goals directly from his contributions. So long as we have the blokes to put the ball in the net, assists are good!
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 31, 2023, 01:44:13 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on August 31, 2023, 11:49:07 AMYeh, I don;t agree with this assessment of Iwobi really. Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to give the guy a chance and think he's not warranted his transfer fee to Everton but he clearly adds some steel and athleticism to that Everton side. Couple of friends messaged me last night after the skysports links and said he's actually been one of their outstanding performers in such a weak side.
That's critical. He may not be a star player himself, but surround him with quality or at least higher caliber team dynamics, and it won't all fall on him to do, and he can thrive I feel
Definitely. Mate added that he thinks with the right coachign and playstyle they couldn've got more out of him. I think he's suited Dyche in that hes physical and works hard but with some quality around him, I feel tehre's mroe to coem from him.
Quote from: Willham on August 31, 2023, 11:26:22 AMMost over rated player I've ever seen Grace the premier league, loses the ball more often than anything else, seems to wear blinkers when on a football pitch, yes his close control and dribbling seems decent but he runs blindly, dribbling towards his own goal or towards to corner flag meaning even when successful he's left in no man's land without a way out.
The absolute most stupid interest I've heard, I am absolutely praying were not about to waste a lot of money on this guy. I have a lot of everton family and I've been rinsing them for 2 years that they best hope is two of the worst players ever. Iwobi and grey, two players we're interested in 😫.
Iwobi miss hits the ball more than anyone I've ever seen, can never strike a ball cleanly. I've never been more into the idea of not getting a player, I'd rather absolutely anyone else!
Was interested in seeing what Fulham fans thought of the Iwobi link so visited this forum.
Made an account just to tell you how wrong you are.
Quote from: Everton on August 31, 2023, 01:50:37 PMQuote from: Willham on August 31, 2023, 11:26:22 AMMost over rated player I've ever seen Grace the premier league, loses the ball more often than anything else, seems to wear blinkers when on a football pitch, yes his close control and dribbling seems decent but he runs blindly, dribbling towards his own goal or towards to corner flag meaning even when successful he's left in no man's land without a way out.
The absolute most stupid interest I've heard, I am absolutely praying were not about to waste a lot of money on this guy. I have a lot of everton family and I've been rinsing them for 2 years that they best hope is two of the worst players ever. Iwobi and grey, two players we're interested in 😫.
Iwobi miss hits the ball more than anyone I've ever seen, can never strike a ball cleanly. I've never been more into the idea of not getting a player, I'd rather absolutely anyone else!
Was interested in seeing what Fulham fans thought of the Iwobi link so visited this forum.
Made an account just to tell you how wrong you are.
Let me assure you this is a minority opinion!
Quote from: Willham on August 31, 2023, 11:26:22 AMMost over rated player I've ever seen Grace the premier league, loses the ball more often than anything else, seems to wear blinkers when on a football pitch, yes his close control and dribbling seems decent but he runs blindly, dribbling towards his own goal or towards to corner flag meaning even when successful he's left in no man's land without a way out.
The absolute most stupid interest I've heard, I am absolutely praying were not about to waste a lot of money on this guy. I have a lot of everton family and I've been rinsing them for 2 years that they best hope is two of the worst players ever. Iwobi and grey, two players we're interested in 😫.
Iwobi miss hits the ball more than anyone I've ever seen, can never strike a ball cleanly. I've never been more into the idea of not getting a player, I'd rather absolutely anyone else!
So you never saw Byran Ruiz then 🤔
Quote from: Everton on August 31, 2023, 01:50:37 PMQuote from: Willham on August 31, 2023, 11:26:22 AMMost over rated player I've ever seen Grace the premier league, loses the ball more often than anything else, seems to wear blinkers when on a football pitch, yes his close control and dribbling seems decent but he runs blindly, dribbling towards his own goal or towards to corner flag meaning even when successful he's left in no man's land without a way out.
The absolute most stupid interest I've heard, I am absolutely praying were not about to waste a lot of money on this guy. I have a lot of everton family and I've been rinsing them for 2 years that they best hope is two of the worst players ever. Iwobi and grey, two players we're interested in 😫.
Iwobi miss hits the ball more than anyone I've ever seen, can never strike a ball cleanly. I've never been more into the idea of not getting a player, I'd rather absolutely anyone else!
Was interested in seeing what Fulham fans thought of the Iwobi link so visited this forum.
Made an account just to tell you how wrong you are.
In your opinion what are his main attributes.Welcome to our board.
I think hes a complete donkey and dont want him. Really hope to be proved wrong if he is signed. Â
very good squad player, type that would flourish under silva imo
Quote from: mrmicawbers on August 31, 2023, 02:14:00 PMQuote from: Everton on August 31, 2023, 01:50:37 PMQuote from: Willham on August 31, 2023, 11:26:22 AMMost over rated player I've ever seen Grace the premier league, loses the ball more often than anything else, seems to wear blinkers when on a football pitch, yes his close control and dribbling seems decent but he runs blindly, dribbling towards his own goal or towards to corner flag meaning even when successful he's left in no man's land without a way out.
The absolute most stupid interest I've heard, I am absolutely praying were not about to waste a lot of money on this guy. I have a lot of everton family and I've been rinsing them for 2 years that they best hope is two of the worst players ever. Iwobi and grey, two players we're interested in 😫.
Iwobi miss hits the ball more than anyone I've ever seen, can never strike a ball cleanly. I've never been more into the idea of not getting a player, I'd rather absolutely anyone else!
Was interested in seeing what Fulham fans thought of the Iwobi link so visited this forum.
Made an account just to tell you how wrong you are.
In your opinion what are his main attributes.Welcome to our board.
Last season for Everton Iwobi was top for:
Assists (7 and 2nd has 3)
Key passes (62 and 2nd has 46)
Passes into the final third (130 and 2nd has 107)
Passes into the penalty area (62 and 2nd has 24)
Successful crosses into the penalty area
Progressive passes (191 and 2nd had 104)
Successful through balls (14 and 2nd has 5)
Shot creating actions (88 from open play and 2nd has 48)
Dribblers tackled
Dribblers pressed
Attempted take ons
Number of carries (1146 and 2nd has 871)
Carries into the final third
As per Wyscout, Iwobi had 31 key passes from open play. That was 4th in the Premier League (all players). Which is absolutely bewildering when you consider just how little Everton create from open play. To put it into perspective, our next highest key passes from open play was 13. Iwobi had more key passes from open play than the next three Everton players combined.
How he was able to hit those numbers in a team as awful as ours shows just how natural he is in progressive the ball via passing.
He was then:
3rd for total tackles
2nd for tackles in our defensive third
Had a 50.8% tackles won ratio
Was 3rd for passes intercepted
Before he came to Everton he had elite data when it came to progressing the ball into the penalty area via passes. And it's a tremendously difficult skill.
At Everton he's played right back, right wing back, CM (in a two), CM (in a three), AM, right wing, and left wing.
He is by far best either as the 8 in midfield or LF where he's allowed to invert and take up space centrally as inverted 10.
He runs for days. His work rate is astonishing.
He had a really rocky start at Everton - came in when Marco went through a horrid run of luck in terms of xG underperformance and injuries - led to him losing his job. And from then on, with the entire team looking subpar, he became a bit of a scapegoat despite his data remaining quite impressive.
And a section of the fans have continued to hold that opinion/grudge (I'm sure you lot have similar stories with some of your players) despite the fact that he is objectively one of our best players in so many areas and has been for years now.
He is excellent. If you play him in his correct positions (8 of wide playmaker) £20m is a bargain.
We should be attempting to give strikers a value compared to Muniz, Vinnie, Jiminey and Mitro.
We should only be looking at players valued at £15m more than our present three and not less than £15m the £50m received for Mitro.
The valuations all taken from TK's data banks. We are running the risk of having four strikers on our books after tomorrow who are other teams rejects and not capable of scoring half a dozen goals a season.
Quote from: Everton on August 31, 2023, 03:46:40 PMQuote from: mrmicawbers on August 31, 2023, 02:14:00 PMQuote from: Everton on August 31, 2023, 01:50:37 PMQuote from: Willham on August 31, 2023, 11:26:22 AMMost over rated player I've ever seen Grace the premier league, loses the ball more often than anything else, seems to wear blinkers when on a football pitch, yes his close control and dribbling seems decent but he runs blindly, dribbling towards his own goal or towards to corner flag meaning even when successful he's left in no man's land without a way out.
The absolute most stupid interest I've heard, I am absolutely praying were not about to waste a lot of money on this guy. I have a lot of everton family and I've been rinsing them for 2 years that they best hope is two of the worst players ever. Iwobi and grey, two players we're interested in 😫.
Iwobi miss hits the ball more than anyone I've ever seen, can never strike a ball cleanly. I've never been more into the idea of not getting a player, I'd rather absolutely anyone else!
Was interested in seeing what Fulham fans thought of the Iwobi link so visited this forum.
Made an account just to tell you how wrong you are.
In your opinion what are his main attributes.Welcome to our board.
Last season for Everton Iwobi was top for:
Assists (7 and 2nd has 3)
Key passes (62 and 2nd has 46)
Passes into the final third (130 and 2nd has 107)
Passes into the penalty area (62 and 2nd has 24)
Successful crosses into the penalty area
Progressive passes (191 and 2nd had 104)
Successful through balls (14 and 2nd has 5)
Shot creating actions (88 from open play and 2nd has 48)
Dribblers tackled
Dribblers pressed
Attempted take ons
Number of carries (1146 and 2nd has 871)
Carries into the final third
As per Wyscout, Iwobi had 31 key passes from open play. That was 4th in the Premier League (all players). Which is absolutely bewildering when you consider just how little Everton create from open play. To put it into perspective, our next highest key passes from open play was 13. Iwobi had more key passes from open play than the next three Everton players combined.
How he was able to hit those numbers in a team as awful as ours shows just how natural he is in progressive the ball via passing.
He was then:
3rd for total tackles
2nd for tackles in our defensive third
Had a 50.8% tackles won ratio
Was 3rd for passes intercepted
Before he came to Everton he had elite data when it came to progressing the ball into the penalty area via passes. And it's a tremendously difficult skill.
At Everton he's played right back, right wing back, CM (in a two), CM (in a three), AM, right wing, and left wing.
He is by far best either as the 8 in midfield or LF where he's allowed to invert and take up space centrally as inverted 10.
He runs for days. His work rate is astonishing.
He had a really rocky start at Everton - came in when Marco went through a horrid run of luck in terms of xG underperformance and injuries - led to him losing his job. And from then on, with the entire team looking subpar, he became a bit of a scapegoat despite his data remaining quite impressive.
And a section of the fans have continued to hold that opinion/grudge (I'm sure you lot have similar stories with some of your players) despite the fact that he is objectively one of our best players in so many areas and has been for years now.
He is excellent. If you play him in his correct positions (8 of wide playmaker) £20m is a bargain.
Thanks for this. Thought he was the best player on the park in the first game this season.
The opening game he was the Everton player that stood out always trying to make an opening in games.
Finally getting to play more centrally, where he plays and captains his country.
2 Goals, 8 Assists from centre mid in a really poor Everton side.
Similar profile to Andreas, in terms of energy and press.
Also, covers the wing areas where we are weak.
Good move.
Quote from: Everton on August 31, 2023, 01:50:37 PMQuote from: Willham on August 31, 2023, 11:26:22 AMMost over rated player I've ever seen Grace the premier league, loses the ball more often than anything else, seems to wear blinkers when on a football pitch, yes his close control and dribbling seems decent but he runs blindly, dribbling towards his own goal or towards to corner flag meaning even when successful he's left in no man's land without a way out.
The absolute most stupid interest I've heard, I am absolutely praying were not about to waste a lot of money on this guy. I have a lot of everton family and I've been rinsing them for 2 years that they best hope is two of the worst players ever. Iwobi and grey, two players we're interested in 😫.
Iwobi miss hits the ball more than anyone I've ever seen, can never strike a ball cleanly. I've never been more into the idea of not getting a player, I'd rather absolutely anyone else!
Was interested in seeing what Fulham fans thought of the Iwobi link so visited this forum.
Made an account just to tell you how wrong you are.
You seem pretty happy to let him go considering he's so amazing? Stats are one thing but seeing is the truth and what I've seen from iwobi (as I watch everton a lot) he's a total hype man.
Relying some stats from a very poor everton season as he's the one and only standout is not going to change my opinion, I'd love to be eating my own words. Like I did when we signed aluko from hull city (another team I watch a lot)
Player I'd love to get the most from everton is Patterson, think he's a quality full back.
Like to add, I'm actually astonished at how many people I feel have wool over their eyes.
Joa replacement FFS
I'm starting to hate football
Quote from: perry geyton on August 31, 2023, 06:08:50 PMJoa replacement FFS
I'm starting to hate football
Not going to happen, don't worry! He is just being considered as an addition to our squad. As things stand this time tomorrow if nothing happens before then, Fulham will be trying to sign anybody. Some comments from forum members re Palhinha really make me laugh (sorry) when they say we should demand 80 to 90m for him, so sell him for a very good price and replace him with who? Based on what has happened since Mitro going which = not much, our season could be defined on what happens in the next 28 hours (ish).
So if we sign him is he likely to come in for Reed as an 8? I always thought he was a winger or number 10, shows what I know.
https://twitter.com/MrDomSmith/status/1697531783611342961
I thought he ran us ragged on the opening day . Don't think he is Palhinhas replacement was coming anyway . More likely a Reed replacement who is linked with Wolves
I think he'll be a pretty good signing, but it's all completely offset and overshadowed by the Joao drama.
Quote from: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on September 01, 2023, 10:32:36 AMI think he'll be a pretty good signing, but it's all completely offset and overshadowed by the Joao drama.
Perhaps, but if we brought him and Amrabat and a couple more, I think the tide would turn. I'm remaining positive.
I thought he was good against us! As an AM/winger flexible sub? Impact player? Good signing I think.
He's a bottom half Premier League player at best
Looks like a relegation scrap beckons with this type of ambition
Quote from: Karlos on September 01, 2023, 10:49:12 AMHe's a bottom half Premier League player at best
Looks like a relegation scrap beckons with this type of ambition
A lot of us fundamentally disagree with you including Silva, so we'll see I guess.
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 01, 2023, 10:50:50 AMQuote from: Karlos on September 01, 2023, 10:49:12 AMHe's a bottom half Premier League player at best
Looks like a relegation scrap beckons with this type of ambition
A lot of us fundamentally disagree with you including Silva, so we'll see I guess.
I hope you and Silva are right
Quote from: Milo on September 01, 2023, 10:47:26 AMI thought he was good against us! As an AM/winger flexible sub? Impact player? Good signing I think.
Iwobi is definitely not a DM. Before last season he never played even as a CM. Last season he played 15 games as a CM. He's an attacking midfielder or a winger. I believe he'll compete with Willian and Andreas for their positions.
Quote from: Karlos on September 01, 2023, 10:49:12 AMHe's a bottom half Premier League player at best
Looks like a relegation scrap beckons with this type of ambition
amazing how different people see players I think the opposite of you bit welcome other views the proof of the pudding at the end of the season.in Marco I trust.
Iwobi created more chances than any Fulham player last season and he doesn't even take set pieces. If anyone genuinely thinks he doesn't improve the overall squad then they're just talking nonsense
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 01, 2023, 11:49:30 AMIwobi created more chances than any Fulham player last season and he doesn't even take set pieces. If anyone genuinely thinks he doesn't improve the overall squad then they're just talking nonsense
And if we play devils advocate - Lukic replaces Palhinha and Iwobi replaces Reed ( Deep-Lying Playmaker role )
Solid enough pairing in front of defenceÂ
Quote from: Sammyffc on August 31, 2023, 03:06:19 PMvery good squad player, type that would flourish under silva imo
We're not rich enough to justify £22M on a squad player !! Iwobi please prove me wrong if you come but I think you're a spent force and a Jack of all trades but master of none !! Sorry 😞
Iwobi is a good player
Quote from: blingo on September 01, 2023, 02:24:37 PMIwobi is a good player
overlooking it's not even on the offal.
I probably would have gone up to £15m for him but I don't think £22m is out of the question. He created 7 assists last year in a Everton team that were the second lowest goal scorers in the league and he played well against us recently. I think he would be a good signing.
Quote from: hovewhite on September 01, 2023, 02:43:16 PMQuote from: blingo on September 01, 2023, 02:24:37 PMIwobi is a good player
overlooking it's not even on the offal.
What has that got to do with I think he is a good player?
My mate is a massive Everton fan, his Dad use to play in goal for them, and he is sorry to see Iwobi go. A good honest team player.
Quote from: blingo on September 01, 2023, 02:55:00 PMQuote from: hovewhite on September 01, 2023, 02:43:16 PMQuote from: blingo on September 01, 2023, 02:24:37 PMIwobi is a good player
overlooking it's not even on the offal.
What has that got to do with I think he is a good player?
I believe made more assists than any of our players last year.
He created 7 assists last year in a Everton team that were the second lowest goal scorers in the league and he played well against us recently.
Do I think he's expensive at £22m, yes I do, but I wouldn't say he's a bad player
Expensive at the reported £22 million, but we are increasingly looking desperate and disorganised & it is costing us financially!
Forest & Brighton in contrast?
The only bright point today is Liverpool under the Saudi gaze, even after today! Even their Gravenchirch deal looks dependent on Palhinha going so fingers crossed for a transfer **** up this afternoon. Maybe a Fulham executive has forgot to bring along a working pen to sign the deal off 🤞
£22m if true.....good buy, he's got prem experience & goals....no negatives here
Quote from: copthornemike on September 01, 2023, 03:45:07 PMExpensive at the reported £22 million, but we are increasingly looking desperate and disorganised & it is costing us financially!
Forest & Brighton in contrast?
The only bright point today is Liverpool under the Saudi gaze, even after today! Even their Gravenchirch deal looks dependent on Palhinha going so fingers crossed for a transfer **** up this afternoon. Maybe a Fulham executive has forgot to bring along a working pen to sign the deal off 🤞
Which would be so Fulhamish...but would work in our favour!
Good player. Looking forward to see who we get to replace Mitro though.
Quote from: Willham on August 31, 2023, 05:21:49 PMQuote from: Everton on August 31, 2023, 01:50:37 PMQuote from: Willham on August 31, 2023, 11:26:22 AMMost over rated player I've ever seen Grace the premier league, loses the ball more often than anything else, seems to wear blinkers when on a football pitch, yes his close control and dribbling seems decent but he runs blindly, dribbling towards his own goal or towards to corner flag meaning even when successful he's left in no man's land without a way out.
The absolute most stupid interest I've heard, I am absolutely praying were not about to waste a lot of money on this guy. I have a lot of everton family and I've been rinsing them for 2 years that they best hope is two of the worst players ever. Iwobi and grey, two players we're interested in 😫.
Iwobi miss hits the ball more than anyone I've ever seen, can never strike a ball cleanly. I've never been more into the idea of not getting a player, I'd rather absolutely anyone else!
Was interested in seeing what Fulham fans thought of the Iwobi link so visited this forum.
Made an account just to tell you how wrong you are.
You seem pretty happy to let him go considering he's so amazing? Stats are one thing but seeing is the truth and what I've seen from iwobi (as I watch everton a lot) he's a total hype man.
Relying some stats from a very poor everton season as he's the one and only standout is not going to change my opinion, I'd love to be eating my own words. Like I did when we signed aluko from hull city (another team I watch a lot)
Player I'd love to get the most from everton is Patterson, think he's a quality full back.
Like to add, I'm actually astonished at how many people I feel have wool over their eyes.
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You seem pretty happy to let him go considering he's so amazing? He was in the last 12 months of his contract and rejected our new offer. We tried to keep him but ended up with no choice but to sell him.
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Stats are one thing but seeing is the truthYou have this the wrong way around. Data is objective. What you see is subjective. You're objectively wrong.
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I've seen from iwobi (as I watch everton a lot) he's a total hype man.If you're happy to give value to how often people watch Everton I've had a season ticket for over two decades and go away 4-5 times per season. You haven't watched Everton/Iwobi as much as me.
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Relying some stats from a very poor everton season as he's the one and only standout is not going to change my opinionWe don't have 'good season' data for Iwobi because we have been poor for so long. But feel free to go back and analyse his seasons prior.
Also, you're inferring good players can't exist in poor teams. I'll go ahead and reassess my opinion on João Palhinha then.
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Like to add, I'm actually astonished at how many people I feel have wool over their eyes.Crazy, isn't it, that so many people have a completely different opinion to you on Iwobi.
[Insert Principal Skinner 'no, it's the children who are wrong' gif]
He was injured against Villa a few weeks ago. Anyone have any idea whether we should expect him to be ready for Luton?
Every game I've seen him in he has looked quality for Everton and I'm sure under Silva he will be of a really good standard.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on September 03, 2023, 04:33:47 PMHe was injured against Villa a few weeks ago. Anyone have any idea whether we should expect him to be ready for Luton?
He is supposed to be back after the international break.
Quote from: btffc on September 03, 2023, 07:44:54 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on September 03, 2023, 04:33:47 PMHe was injured against Villa a few weeks ago. Anyone have any idea whether we should expect him to be ready for Luton?
He is supposed to be back after the international break.
Did he just tweak a hamstring?
Quote from: Everton on September 03, 2023, 02:41:19 PMQuote from: Willham on August 31, 2023, 05:21:49 PMQuote from: Everton on August 31, 2023, 01:50:37 PMQuote from: Willham on August 31, 2023, 11:26:22 AMMost over rated player I've ever seen Grace the premier league, loses the ball more often than anything else, seems to wear blinkers when on a football pitch, yes his close control and dribbling seems decent but he runs blindly, dribbling towards his own goal or towards to corner flag meaning even when successful he's left in no man's land without a way out.
The absolute most stupid interest I've heard, I am absolutely praying were not about to waste a lot of money on this guy. I have a lot of everton family and I've been rinsing them for 2 years that they best hope is two of the worst players ever. Iwobi and grey, two players we're interested in 😫.
Iwobi miss hits the ball more than anyone I've ever seen, can never strike a ball cleanly. I've never been more into the idea of not getting a player, I'd rather absolutely anyone else!
Was interested in seeing what Fulham fans thought of the Iwobi link so visited this forum.
Made an account just to tell you how wrong you are.
You seem pretty happy to let him go considering he's so amazing? Stats are one thing but seeing is the truth and what I've seen from iwobi (as I watch everton a lot) he's a total hype man.
Relying some stats from a very poor everton season as he's the one and only standout is not going to change my opinion, I'd love to be eating my own words. Like I did when we signed aluko from hull city (another team I watch a lot)
Player I'd love to get the most from everton is Patterson, think he's a quality full back.
Like to add, I'm actually astonished at how many people I feel have wool over their eyes.
- You seem pretty happy to let him go considering he's so amazing?
He was in the last 12 months of his contract and rejected our new offer. We tried to keep him but ended up with no choice but to sell him.
- Stats are one thing but seeing is the truth
You have this the wrong way around. Data is objective. What you see is subjective. You're objectively wrong.
- I've seen from iwobi (as I watch everton a lot) he's a total hype man.
If you're happy to give value to how often people watch Everton I've had a season ticket for over two decades and go away 4-5 times per season. You haven't watched Everton/Iwobi as much as me.
- Relying some stats from a very poor everton season as he's the one and only standout is not going to change my opinion
We don't have 'good season' data for Iwobi because we have been poor for so long. But feel free to go back and analyse his seasons prior.
Also, you're inferring good players can't exist in poor teams. I'll go ahead and reassess my opinion on João Palhinha then.
- Like to add, I'm actually astonished at how many people I feel have wool over their eyes.
Crazy, isn't it, that so many people have a completely different opinion to you on Iwobi.
[Insert Principal Skinner 'no, it's the children who are wrong' gif]
Hahahaha
I enjoyed this, cheers.
Quote from: Everton on September 03, 2023, 02:41:19 PMQuote from: Willham on August 31, 2023, 05:21:49 PMQuote from: Everton on August 31, 2023, 01:50:37 PMQuote from: Willham on August 31, 2023, 11:26:22 AMMost over rated player I've ever seen Grace the premier league, loses the ball more often than anything else, seems to wear blinkers when on a football pitch, yes his close control and dribbling seems decent but he runs blindly, dribbling towards his own goal or towards to corner flag meaning even when successful he's left in no man's land without a way out.
The absolute most stupid interest I've heard, I am absolutely praying were not about to waste a lot of money on this guy. I have a lot of everton family and I've been rinsing them for 2 years that they best hope is two of the worst players ever. Iwobi and grey, two players we're interested in 😫.
Iwobi miss hits the ball more than anyone I've ever seen, can never strike a ball cleanly. I've never been more into the idea of not getting a player, I'd rather absolutely anyone else!
Was interested in seeing what Fulham fans thought of the Iwobi link so visited this forum.
Made an account just to tell you how wrong you are.
You seem pretty happy to let him go considering he's so amazing? Stats are one thing but seeing is the truth and what I've seen from iwobi (as I watch everton a lot) he's a total hype man.
Relying some stats from a very poor everton season as he's the one and only standout is not going to change my opinion, I'd love to be eating my own words. Like I did when we signed aluko from hull city (another team I watch a lot)
Player I'd love to get the most from everton is Patterson, think he's a quality full back.
Like to add, I'm actually astonished at how many people I feel have wool over their eyes.
- You seem pretty happy to let him go considering he's so amazing?
He was in the last 12 months of his contract and rejected our new offer. We tried to keep him but ended up with no choice but to sell him.
- Stats are one thing but seeing is the truth
You have this the wrong way around. Data is objective. What you see is subjective. You're objectively wrong.
- I've seen from iwobi (as I watch everton a lot) he's a total hype man.
If you're happy to give value to how often people watch Everton I've had a season ticket for over two decades and go away 4-5 times per season. You haven't watched Everton/Iwobi as much as me.
- Relying some stats from a very poor everton season as he's the one and only standout is not going to change my opinion
We don't have 'good season' data for Iwobi because we have been poor for so long. But feel free to go back and analyse his seasons prior.
Also, you're inferring good players can't exist in poor teams. I'll go ahead and reassess my opinion on João Palhinha then.
- Like to add, I'm actually astonished at how many people I feel have wool over their eyes.
Crazy, isn't it, that so many people have a completely different opinion to you on Iwobi.
[Insert Principal Skinner 'no, it's the children who are wrong' gif]
I had a look on your everton forum on transfer dealing day, it looks as if your in the minority, the majority of your board were very happy he's gone.
I'm not about to argue with another fan of another club over a player that now is in my team, good luck to iwobi, I hope he massively proves me wrong.
Good luck to everton too, I think your business was good overall, offload some dead weight, pick out players who'll work hard and sign a forward (which was massively your missing piece)