Offers nothing from what I can see. I would start Carlos against Palace.
Nothing? Strong disagree. Bad run of luck and I believe he'll come good.
He could have scored two classy goals but for bad luck. I certainly won't write him off.
Who is Jiminez? He certainly doesn't offer anything since he doesn't play for Fulham FC.
His goals are a long time coming, not sure we can afford to wait much longer.
No movement going forward and always drops back to the ball leaving no centre forward to pass too
He always seems to be one pace short of where he should be. We have been in this position too many times before, waiting for the expected torrent of goals and brilliant performances - Cav and Marlet come to mind - from players a little short of what is required at this level.
Of course I'd be delighted to be proved wrong, but somehow I don't think I will.
I thought Jimmy looked tired yesterday. It's a long old trip from Mexico even if it's in first or god forbid club. At this elite level any disruption to your sleep routine can have a diverse effect.
I think (maybe more hope)he will come good under Marco. I also get the impression he is a confidence player so a couple of goals and an upturn in form and he could fly.
they were allowed to get away with murder physically, I also think he can come good ,but either way we still need another striker in January and hopefully the club already knows who that is.
Quote from: colinwhite on September 17, 2023, 07:43:14 PMthey were allowed to get away with murder physically, I also think he can come good ,but either way we still need another striker in January and hopefully the club already knows who that is.
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We already have three strikers ,surely we have to transfer at least one before we buy again.
He's position is behind the striker when he was at Wovles, will be better than Pereira if Marco plays him there
Pereira offers nothing considering he's meant to be a scorer and set piece specialist
I thought he played well and has been playing well in most games
It's a toss up betwwwn him and Vinny for me
Just can't help but feel eventually his luck will change,
wonder if we could play em both to brighten the odds
Quote from: Benny on September 17, 2023, 08:32:28 PMHe's position is behind the striker when he was at Wovles, will be better than Pereira if Marco plays him there
Pereira offers nothing considering he's meant to be a scorer and set piece specialist
I agree, Did Pereira play ? Was barely noticeable, for me Cairney's a much better option
I'd like to see Raul & Vini both start.....but we'd have to change our system, so it wont happen
If we play Jimenez for 15-35 minutes per game, rather than starting him, then I think he will have more impact per minute. I don't know who is the better striker (i suspect jimenez), but Vinicius seems like he can play 90 minutes at full intensity. Once Jimenez has some impact from the bench, the we can rethink whether he is a 90 minutes player and who should start.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 17, 2023, 10:21:43 PMIf we play Jimenez for 15-35 minutes per game, rather than starting him, then I think he will have more impact per minute. I don't know who is the better striker, but Vinicius seems like he can play 90 minutes at full intensity. Once Jimenez has some impact from the bench, the we can rethink about who starts and whether he is a 90 minutes player.
Yeah, I'd like to see Vinicius for 60-70 then Raul for 20-30. I think Raul will also benefit a lot from playing with Iwobi.
Easy to get down on him, but the context is that Vini had someone dynamic like Iwobi playing the 8, while Raul had Reed who plays every safe pass and poses no attacking threat. Iwobi can also get forward to alleviate the 5v1 marking that Raul experienced all match.
If Iwobi plays in that same spot with Raul, and Raul doesn't perform, then I'll start to question him starting. Until then, it's an unfair comparison.
I think Vinicius will get us 10+ goals a season, I personally would start him. It means we'll have to adapt our style to suit him, but we are lacking goals. Hopefully Iwobi will help with creativity because we need some
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on September 17, 2023, 10:13:26 PMI'd like to see Raul & Vini both start.....but we'd have to change our system, so it wont happen
They are made to compete with each other to bring out whatever little more they have in themselves.
It is like the situation we had with Rodak and Bettinelli, until Areola came in which pushes us to get Leno.
I would prefer the second person to be Jay Stansfield, but I think we made a mistake there in loaning him out and not able to get a pedigree forward as replacement.
Quote from: LC on September 17, 2023, 10:44:17 PMI think Vinicius will get us 10+ goals a season, I personally would start him. It means we'll have to adapt our style to suit him, but we are lacking goals. Hopefully Iwobi will help with creativity because we need some
my thoughts as well also the players know vini movements now after a tough year for him last season.
I feel we will struggle to score goals, with the current players we have, especially if we continue with this system of play that involves slow tedious build ups, with the boring habit of passing sideways backwards and dwelling on the ball, do you really want to pay extortionate money to watch that.
My Aunt Fanny can do that with her eyes shut, and at the moment there is nobody making angles and running off the ball and creating space often enough.
We looked to have a more solid defence than recent years although if i had to pick a team to save my life i would select Bassey over Ream.
So i say this as a great admirer of Ream over the years and he still has a part to play, but he seems a little slow & light weight.
His stats may show how many successful passes he made, but like most stats they can be misleading as he passes 5 yards sideways and backwards non stop with no creativity.
As i said before my Aunt Fanny could do that and you wouldn't know the difference.
Bassey is far too good to sit on the bench.
I am losing track of time with Fulham strikers but I would like to see a list of our strikers over say the last ten years, I bet there are not many outstanding ones. Mitro and Zamora, then I think we have to go back to McBride.
Suspect we have a good wait yet before the next one pops up.
I think it's interesting that the goal came from Willian getting to the byline and pulling it back . Surely we need more of this than the lofted ball in from the edge of the box ?
My problem is Vini doesn't offer as much in general play. He makes 1-2 contributions a game, and doesn't really link things up. But, he does seem to have a knack for scoring. The issue with that is he's not Haaland, he's a 1 in 3 guy, so it means for two games out of three, you're not getting much.
Quote from: wback on September 18, 2023, 11:29:23 AMMy problem is Vini doesn't offer as much in general play. He makes 1-2 contributions a game, and doesn't really link things up. But, he does seem to have a knack for scoring. The issue with that is he's not Haaland, he's a 1 in 3 guy, so it means for two games out of three, you're not getting much.
We need a target man - and he is the best we have at the moment.
We need to stop playing as if we still have a target striker. There is nothing wrong with Jimenez given the right service. But our wide players have hardly provided much for him to feed on. Wilson and Willian have not been great and one of the few dangerous crosses resulted in the goal.
I think way too early to be writing Jimenez off. If he had connected for a goal on that bicycle attempt posters here would be singing his praise. Still think he has far more potential than Vinicius. It was a tough game, Luton parked the bus, not many chances for any of the lads to be fair. Credit to Vinicius for being in the right place for the tap in, but I still think he lacks quite a bit of quality in his overall play. Jimenez did score some goals past week for his country, I suspect he'll soon come good for FFC.
On supply feel Wilson hasn't started his season yet ,effort wise yes but little quality visible.
Vini should be starting in my opinion it took him less than 5 minutes also goal involvements 4 in his last 6 games,(3goals 1 assist)
I think if our plan is to play a true target man, then we need more creativity from the 8, and that's Reed's spot. I've said it all transfer window that we should prioritize that over anything. Iwobi is key and it showed immediately. More of him in that spot will unlock our attacking threat much more.
I think Jimenez is real quality, lots of potential, and certainly has plenty of application - look how he tackles back and defends, puts himself on the line.
I think he will become a real Fulham favourite, and start knocking the goals in, given the right supply.
Jimenez would have scored if he'd had a chance as good as Vini. There's not much between the two but I still think Jimenez offers more overall. Neither is going to replace Mitro's output though, we must strengthen in January.
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on September 18, 2023, 11:41:14 AMQuote from: wback on September 18, 2023, 11:29:23 AMMy problem is Vini doesn't offer as much in general play. He makes 1-2 contributions a game, and doesn't really link things up. But, he does seem to have a knack for scoring. The issue with that is he's not Haaland, he's a 1 in 3 guy, so it means for two games out of three, you're not getting much.
We need a target man - and he is the best we have at the moment.
He's not a target man, he wasn't great at holding the ball up or winning headers last year. Much better with the ball played into feet.
Have confidence in Jimenez, he has premier league qualities.
He needs a supply of ball to feet.
His work rate is good on and off the ball.
When he scores hopefully it will open the floodgates for more goals and give his confidence a boost as well.
I could see him doing very well playing off a main striker. As others have said, I don't see him as a target man but probably more as an alternative to Pereira.
I'd like to see Andreas play more unexpected balls, switching play, opening up defences and adding to his goal tally. I see Jimenez as someone to challenge him in that role rather than play as a centre-forward.
We still seem to be playing a formation designed for a target man. I felt that has held us back at times in the past so I see Jimenez's arrival as the opportunity to freshen things up. I'm glad he's here.
Quote from: Matt10 on September 18, 2023, 06:28:57 PMI think if our plan is to play a true target man, then we need more creativity from the 8, and that's Reed's spot. I've said it all transfer window that we should prioritize that over anything. Iwobi is key and it showed immediately. More of him in that spot will unlock our attacking threat much more.
I 100% agree with you. That position has been underwhelming for a long time despite all of Harrison's admirable huff and puff. Iwobi
could turn into a brilliant signing for us. Luton genuinely didn't know how to cope with his movement when he came on.
Quote from: roberto w6 on September 19, 2023, 09:05:24 AMI could see him doing very well playing off a main striker. As others have said, I don't see him as a target man but probably more as an alternative to Pereira.
I'd like to see Andreas play more unexpected balls, switching play, opening up defences and adding to his goal tally. I see Jimenez as someone to challenge him in that role rather than play as a centre-forward.
We still seem to be playing a formation designed for a target man. I felt that has held us back at times in the past so I see Jimenez's arrival as the opportunity to freshen things up. I'm glad he's here.
We have a wealth of options at number 10 - Pereira, Cairney, Iwobi - so he won't be playing there.
Jimenez as people say plays behind a number 9,brings to mind the problem we will have if stanfield ever reaches premier league level he plays behind a number 9 or 2 upfront.He's played on the right wing for us.I feel playing with 2wingers either restricts our midfield or forward line depending which position we want to increase in numbers to put pressure on the opposition goal, especially when you look at harry Wilson's 90 minute contribution which means he goes missing we need to mix up more to not get overrun in midfield.
Vinicius is the better player, so should be first choice.
It is clear that we need to invest in a starting striker asap.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 19, 2023, 07:13:01 AMQuote from: Slaphead in Qatar on September 18, 2023, 11:41:14 AMQuote from: wback on September 18, 2023, 11:29:23 AMMy problem is Vini doesn't offer as much in general play. He makes 1-2 contributions a game, and doesn't really link things up. But, he does seem to have a knack for scoring. The issue with that is he's not Haaland, he's a 1 in 3 guy, so it means for two games out of three, you're not getting much.
We need a target man - and he is the best we have at the moment.
He's not a target man, he wasn't great at holding the ball up or winning headers last year. Much better with the ball played into feet.
And perhaps this is true of Jimenez too - we used to be able to play a certain percentage of balls forward in the knowledge that Mitro would win and hold a lot (even if he wasn't the most mobile). Now we need to play to feet, and get up in support quicker. It's a change of tempo, and we've not made it yet (though I'd give it 5 more games - our start has been quite tough AND quite unsettled). All that said, I see our chances of being in any significant trouble this year being VERY low indeed. The bad teams are so bad.
Quote from: MickTheBeard on September 19, 2023, 11:33:44 AMJimenez as people say plays behind a number 9,brings to mind the problem we will have if stanfield ever reaches premier league level he plays behind a number 9 or 2 upfront.He's played on the right wing for us.I feel playing with 2wingers either restricts our midfield or forward line depending which position we want to increase in numbers to put pressure on the opposition goal, especially when you look at harry Wilson's 90 minute contribution which means he goes missing we need to mix up more to not get overrun in midfield.
Jimenez doesn't play behind a number 9, he is a number 9. Out of the last 50 games he has played 2 as an attacking midfielder.
https://www.footballcritic.com/raul-jimenez/player-positions/11796
I have a suspicion (ONLY a suspicion - I know nothing) that Vini is better suited to a crowded penalty area than Raul who seems to need more space to show his undoubted skill and athleticism. So horses for courses. If we're looking for possession and pressure in the opponents last third then maybe Vini is the man, whereas when we are expecting to be defending for much of the time Raul is more likely to make penetrative runs. Certainly I don't think Vini is the man to play when we are expecting to be a fast-breaking counterattacking team. The question is will Raul do that job?
Quote from: LittleErn on September 19, 2023, 04:51:39 PMI have a suspicion (ONLY a suspicion - I know nothing) that Vini is better suited to a crowded penalty area than Raul who seems to need more space to show his undoubted skill and athleticism. So horses for courses. If we're looking for possession and pressure in the opponents last third then maybe Vini is the man, whereas when we are expecting to be defending for much of the time Raul is more likely to make penetrative runs. Certainly I don't think Vini is the man to play when we are expecting to be a fast-breaking counterattacking team. The question is will Raul do that job?
I think this is the point. I think RJ will be far more effective in games where we don't have much of the ball against teams who press us high. He was brilliant against arsenal and city for that reason. He is far better than Vini when we have to hit long and in the air. Anything above head height and to be honest Vini is pretty useless. He is much better to feet. I think there is definitely more use for RJ when we have less of the ball to hold up and bring others into play. He nearly scored and set up a few vs city and arsenal doing exactly this. In the Hoffenheim game he also came deep, did a brilliant dummy to set us on the break and ran in behind to get on the end of Robinsons cross.
Think there is too big a reaction to his lack of input on Saturday. They put 11 men behind the ball and every time any of our forward players got the ball they had 3 men surrounding them and he like everyone struggled with that. No one could get to the by line which is the most dangerous threat to get supply to strikers. He goes off and for the first time in the game Willian gets one on one, gets the by line and Vini gets a tap in.
Don't get me wrong. I like Vini and his recent record speaks for itself. His all round play can in some games be lacking but he scores goals and I couldn't understand why he's not been played more. RJ is for me technically a better player and been so unlucky not to score a couple and thus far he's had very little service. He's not really missed any chances and could say partly his fault for not making any but as I say the service has been pretty poor to him as we have t hit our stride yet (sure we will). Look at the incredible stick Vini got for ages and now everyone is clambering to get him in the team. I still think RJ can come good but I completely agree that we need to use both RJ and Vini depending on the opponent.
Quote from: Drewry66 on September 19, 2023, 06:58:36 PMQuote from: LittleErn on September 19, 2023, 04:51:39 PMI have a suspicion (ONLY a suspicion - I know nothing) that Vini is better suited to a crowded penalty area than Raul who seems to need more space to show his undoubted skill and athleticism. So horses for courses. If we're looking for possession and pressure in the opponents last third then maybe Vini is the man, whereas when we are expecting to be defending for much of the time Raul is more likely to make penetrative runs. Certainly I don't think Vini is the man to play when we are expecting to be a fast-breaking counterattacking team. The question is will Raul do that job?
I think this is the point. I think RJ will be far more effective in games where we don't have much of the ball against teams who press us high. He was brilliant against arsenal and city for that reason. He is far better than Vini when we have to hit long and in the air. Anything above head height and to be honest Vini is pretty useless. He is much better to feet. I think there is definitely more use for RJ when we have less of the ball to hold up and bring others into play. He nearly scored and set up a few vs city and arsenal doing exactly this. In the Hoffenheim game he also came deep, did a brilliant dummy to set us on the break and ran in behind to get on the end of Robinsons cross.
Think there is too big a reaction to his lack of input on Saturday. They put 11 men behind the ball and every time any of our forward players got the ball they had 3 men surrounding them and he like everyone struggled with that. No one could get to the by line which is the most dangerous threat to get supply to strikers. He goes off and for the first time in the game Willian gets one on one, gets the by line and Vini gets a tap in.
Don't get me wrong. I like Vini and his recent record speaks for itself. His all round play can in some games be lacking but he scores goals and I couldn't understand why he's not been played more. RJ is for me technically a better player and been so unlucky not to score a couple and thus far he's had very little service. He's not really missed any chances and could say partly his fault for not making any but as I say the service has been pretty poor to him as we have t hit our stride yet (sure we will). Look at the incredible stick Vini got for ages and now everyone is clambering to get him in the team. I still think RJ can come good but I completely agree that we need to use both RJ and Vini depending on the opponent.
You say it so much more eloquently than I could Drewery, its exactly what I was trying to say.
I think Jimenez is the better player and should be starting over Vini. He needs a bit of luck to get him going, the chance Vini had would have been perfect.
Delighted to see Vini score - but do believe that Jimenez is quality ... with Nevland like touches. Personally would start with the former & bring on Jimenez.
442 might not be a bad option
I worry that Jimenez has a psychological problem since the accident which affects his heading a ball. He seems to duck slightly when he goes for a header thus missing ball.