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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c1j052y4y70o

Liverpool may have dropped points against Fulham - but the performance given by Arne Slot's 10 men only served to reiterate their title credentials.

Twice the Premier League leaders fell behind following Andy Robertson's 17th-minute red card, and on both occasions they found an answer despite their numerical deficit at Anfield.

Liverpool played 89 minutes with 10 players, including stoppage-time, but an 86th-minute equaliser by the returning Diogo Jota earned reward for their impressive efforts in an enthralling encounter.

Perhaps the biggest compliment on Saturday was offered by Fulham's Antonee Robinson.

"Credit to them, it didn't feel like they had 10 men at all," the left-back said.

"They took a lot of risks pushing men high and they were rewarded for it. They piled the pressure on and were really positive."

Not only did Liverpool battle to a point despite the circumstances, but title rivals Arsenal failed to capitalise as they were held to a goalless draw by Everton.

It meant the Reds, who saw their advantage cut after last weekend's Merseyside derby was postponed because of severe weather, extended their lead to five points before nearest challengers Chelsea host Brentford on Sunday (19:00 GMT).

"Liverpool were phenomenal. They went down to 10 men and didn't feel sorry for themselves," former Premier League striker Chris Sutton told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"It was a brilliant game. I thought Liverpool were phenomenal in the face of adversity."

Liverpool have won 19 and lost just one of 23 games since Dutchman Slot replaced Jurgen Klopp in the summer, and they also sit top of the Champions League table with a perfect record in that competition.

With 10 men, against a Fulham side enjoying the club's best start to a Premier League season since 2003, the Reds still ended the match with more than 60% possession and led a host of attacking metrics including shots, big chances and touches in the opposition box.

The trick, according to Liverpool captain Virgil van Dijk, was to "stay calm" - although he added that is "easier to say than do".

"A great comeback, it is very positive. It's disappointing having 10 men but we showed fight," Van Dijk told Sky Sports.

There were no complaints from Slot regarding Robertson's early dismissal, after the left-back - earlier injured in a high tackle by Issa Diop - denied Harry Wilson a goalscoring opportunity.

Instead, Slot praised Robertson for embodying the spirit shown by the side for the remainder of the match.

"The character the team showed, that is what Robbo showed," Slot said.

"Nothing to blame him [for], [only praise for] the character showed in wanting to continue because he got quite a hard knock. Unfortunately, it led to a deserved red card."

On his team's performance, the Liverpool boss said: "I don't think I could've asked for more from my players, especially after going down to 10 men.

"It's an emotional game and we were a man down. It's frustrating [but] it's good to see our performance after so many setbacks."

He added: "Being a goal down twice, it's all going against you. I thought we were outstanding."

Utterly, utterly pathetic.

Yes let's forget that half of our first team were injured or suspended and despite what match of the day told us we were the away team and were expected to get beaten. Their players cost a lot more than ours and yet they had to come from behind twice. Well done Fulham it makes me proud that they can dismiss you so easily

Quote from: Somerset Fulham on December 15, 2024, 12:58:20 AMBut f@cking hell!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c1j052y4y70o

Liverpool may have dropped points against Fulham - but the performance given by Arne Slot's 10 men only served to reiterate their title credentials.

Twice the Premier League leaders fell behind following Andy Robertson's 17th-minute red card, and on both occasions they found an answer despite their numerical deficit at Anfield.

Liverpool played 89 minutes with 10 players, including stoppage-time, but an 86th-minute equaliser by the returning Diogo Jota earned reward for their impressive efforts in an enthralling encounter.

Perhaps the biggest compliment on Saturday was offered by Fulham's Antonee Robinson.

"Credit to them, it didn't feel like they had 10 men at all," the left-back said.

"They took a lot of risks pushing men high and they were rewarded for it. They piled the pressure on and were really positive."

Not only did Liverpool battle to a point despite the circumstances, but title rivals Arsenal failed to capitalise as they were held to a goalless draw by Everton.

It meant the Reds, who saw their advantage cut after last weekend's Merseyside derby was postponed because of severe weather, extended their lead to five points before nearest challengers Chelsea host Brentford on Sunday (19:00 GMT).

"Liverpool were phenomenal. They went down to 10 men and didn't feel sorry for themselves," former Premier League striker Chris Sutton told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"It was a brilliant game. I thought Liverpool were phenomenal in the face of adversity."

Liverpool have won 19 and lost just one of 23 games since Dutchman Slot replaced Jurgen Klopp in the summer, and they also sit top of the Champions League table with a perfect record in that competition.

With 10 men, against a Fulham side enjoying the club's best start to a Premier League season since 2003, the Reds still ended the match with more than 60% possession and led a host of attacking metrics including shots, big chances and touches in the opposition box.

The trick, according to Liverpool captain Virgil van Dijk, was to "stay calm" - although he added that is "easier to say than do".

"A great comeback, it is very positive. It's disappointing having 10 men but we showed fight," Van Dijk told Sky Sports.

There were no complaints from Slot regarding Robertson's early dismissal, after the left-back - earlier injured in a high tackle by Issa Diop - denied Harry Wilson a goalscoring opportunity.

Instead, Slot praised Robertson for embodying the spirit shown by the side for the remainder of the match.

"The character the team showed, that is what Robbo showed," Slot said.

"Nothing to blame him [for], [only praise for] the character showed in wanting to continue because he got quite a hard knock. Unfortunately, it led to a deserved red card."

On his team's performance, the Liverpool boss said: "I don't think I could've asked for more from my players, especially after going down to 10 men.

"It's an emotional game and we were a man down. It's frustrating [but] it's good to see our performance after so many setbacks."

He added: "Being a goal down twice, it's all going against you. I thought we were outstanding."

Utterly, utterly pathetic.

Wow 😆 That is an absolutely vapid article from someone who doesn't understand football in the slightest

17+89= 106 minutes. That was extreme extra time. Maybe it was also due to the first half extra time.

Quote from: Somerset Fulham on December 15, 2024, 12:58:20 AMBut f@cking hell!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c1j052y4y70o

Liverpool may have dropped points against Fulham - but the performance given by Arne Slot's 10 men only served to reiterate their title credentials.

Twice the Premier League leaders fell behind following Andy Robertson's 17th-minute red card, and on both occasions they found an answer despite their numerical deficit at Anfield.

Liverpool played 89 minutes with 10 players, including stoppage-time, but an 86th-minute equaliser by the returning Diogo Jota earned reward for their impressive efforts in an enthralling encounter.

Perhaps the biggest compliment on Saturday was offered by Fulham's Antonee Robinson.

"Credit to them, it didn't feel like they had 10 men at all," the left-back said.

"They took a lot of risks pushing men high and they were rewarded for it. They piled the pressure on and were really positive."

Not only did Liverpool battle to a point despite the circumstances, but title rivals Arsenal failed to capitalise as they were held to a goalless draw by Everton.

It meant the Reds, who saw their advantage cut after last weekend's Merseyside derby was postponed because of severe weather, extended their lead to five points before nearest challengers Chelsea host Brentford on Sunday (19:00 GMT).

"Liverpool were phenomenal. They went down to 10 men and didn't feel sorry for themselves," former Premier League striker Chris Sutton told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"It was a brilliant game. I thought Liverpool were phenomenal in the face of adversity."

Liverpool have won 19 and lost just one of 23 games since Dutchman Slot replaced Jurgen Klopp in the summer, and they also sit top of the Champions League table with a perfect record in that competition.

With 10 men, against a Fulham side enjoying the club's best start to a Premier League season since 2003, the Reds still ended the match with more than 60% possession and led a host of attacking metrics including shots, big chances and touches in the opposition box.

The trick, according to Liverpool captain Virgil van Dijk, was to "stay calm" - although he added that is "easier to say than do".

"A great comeback, it is very positive. It's disappointing having 10 men but we showed fight," Van Dijk told Sky Sports.

There were no complaints from Slot regarding Robertson's early dismissal, after the left-back - earlier injured in a high tackle by Issa Diop - denied Harry Wilson a goalscoring opportunity.

Instead, Slot praised Robertson for embodying the spirit shown by the side for the remainder of the match.

"The character the team showed, that is what Robbo showed," Slot said.

"Nothing to blame him [for], [only praise for] the character showed in wanting to continue because he got quite a hard knock. Unfortunately, it led to a deserved red card."

On his team's performance, the Liverpool boss said: "I don't think I could've asked for more from my players, especially after going down to 10 men.

"It's an emotional game and we were a man down. It's frustrating [but] it's good to see our performance after so many setbacks."

He added: "Being a goal down twice, it's all going against you. I thought we were outstanding."

Utterly, utterly pathetic.

Quote from: Somerset Fulham on December 15, 2024, 12:58:20 AMBut f@cking hell!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c1j052y4y70o

Liverpool may have dropped points against Fulham - but the performance given by Arne Slot's 10 men only served to reiterate their title credentials.

Twice the Premier League leaders fell behind following Andy Robertson's 17th-minute red card, and on both occasions they found an answer despite their numerical deficit at Anfield.

Liverpool played 89 minutes with 10 players, including stoppage-time, but an 86th-minute equaliser by the returning Diogo Jota earned reward for their impressive efforts in an enthralling encounter.

Perhaps the biggest compliment on Saturday was offered by Fulham's Antonee Robinson.

"Credit to them, it didn't feel like they had 10 men at all," the left-back said.

"They took a lot of risks pushing men high and they were rewarded for it. They piled the pressure on and were really positive."

Not only did Liverpool battle to a point despite the circumstances, but title rivals Arsenal failed to capitalise as they were held to a goalless draw by Everton.

It meant the Reds, who saw their advantage cut after last weekend's Merseyside derby was postponed because of severe weather, extended their lead to five points before nearest challengers Chelsea host Brentford on Sunday (19:00 GMT).

"Liverpool were phenomenal. They went down to 10 men and didn't feel sorry for themselves," former Premier League striker Chris Sutton told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"It was a brilliant game. I thought Liverpool were phenomenal in the face of adversity."

Liverpool have won 19 and lost just one of 23 games since Dutchman Slot replaced Jurgen Klopp in the summer, and they also sit top of the Champions League table with a perfect record in that competition.

With 10 men, against a Fulham side enjoying the club's best start to a Premier League season since 2003, the Reds still ended the match with more than 60% possession and led a host of attacking metrics including shots, big chances and touches in the opposition box.

The trick, according to Liverpool captain Virgil van Dijk, was to "stay calm" - although he added that is "easier to say than do".

"A great comeback, it is very positive. It's disappointing having 10 men but we showed fight," Van Dijk told Sky Sports.

There were no complaints from Slot regarding Robertson's early dismissal, after the left-back - earlier injured in a high tackle by Issa Diop - denied Harry Wilson a goalscoring opportunity.

Instead, Slot praised Robertson for embodying the spirit shown by the side for the remainder of the match.

"The character the team showed, that is what Robbo showed," Slot said.

"Nothing to blame him [for], [only praise for] the character showed in wanting to continue because he got quite a hard knock. Unfortunately, it led to a deserved red card."

On his team's performance, the Liverpool boss said: "I don't think I could've asked for more from my players, especially after going down to 10 men.

"It's an emotional game and we were a man down. It's frustrating [but] it's good to see our performance after so many setbacks."

He added: "Being a goal down twice, it's all going against you. I thought we were outstanding."

Utterly, utterly pathetic.

Sound's perfectly fair to me Somerset.... I'm just surprised we got any mention at all.... sound's a bit like a Viz article

Sounds like standard fare accross the board for any BBC reporting.

Quote from: Jem on December 15, 2024, 08:44:45 AMSounds like standard fare accross the board for any BBC reporting.

And that nob head Lineker on MOTD saying Robertson's should never in a million years have been sent off. He insisted that Wilson had lost control of the ball and knocked it too far away to regain control with no thought that was partly because he was getting clattered.

The only thing I found strange is that they never even showed the Pereira incident so the obviously thought it was accidental.

I don't understand why you would expect anything else. You have to remember it is all about clicks and viewers. The big clubs with their international followings will always be the headline act. I never watch match of the day now, rarely read the BBC sport app except to pick up latest scores. Very happy to pay £5 a month to watch Fulham tv for my football fix and Sky with the sound turned down for games that I expect to be a good watch.

On MOTD how many times did we hear '11 man Fulham' and '10 man Liverpool'? All this 10 man wonderment. Any team that loses a player will collectively up their game. That lot are going for the title and also posses a very strong squad, I would expect them to 'give their all'! Oh how I wish Traore had scored at the end. Yes of course a case of the bleeding obvious, but how gutted the media would have been!

Well played Fulham.  ::thumb::  ::scarf::         

You can never ever upset the good folk from Liverpool.

Couple of seasons ago, similar situation happened at Citeh. We lost to their 10-men due to the De Bruyne 'clever' dive to get a last minute penalty.

At least we got a point this time & were much better than against Citeh so progress from us.

Better decision making in final third by us yesterday & we could have won. However, that seems to be the story of our season.

If you listen to any tv or radio from the BBC. It has this genuine love in with Liverpool. Even Gary Lineker couldn't help but mention that the sending off from Liverpool made no sense. Had the Liverpool player not fouled Wilson then Wilson was through on goal. But that makes no difference.

Liverpool are the best team in Europe but also the biggest victims. Nothing negative that happens to them is less than a conspiracy against them. I find it embarrassing but then have voiced my objections about the BBC so often. Fulham whose team cost less than one Liverpool player and who had 5 players missing. Not a mention of that.

I am not a fan of the BBC and am glad people who are can see the biggest conspiracy is BBC reporting.

Unless I'm mistaken, it's not the match report; it's an article which sets out to make a point: Liverpool played the vast majority of the match with only 10 men and didn't lose and this reflects well on them.

Why should we be upset? The 'dig' - if there is one - is not aimed at us, but at Liverpool's title rivals and pre-season favourites Manchester City and Arsenal.

If anything, the writer has 'bigged us up' by implying we would have expected to win yesterday's game from the position of being a goal to the good and a man to the good, and that Liverpool somehow defied the odds in coming back to draw. Yet I certainly didn't expect us to win after 20 minutes; my hopes rose somewhat, of course, but I was far from expectant. And I suspect many other supporters felt the same way - with good reason.

Perhaps a thread like this was inevitable; the usual thread about decisions going the way of the 'big' clubs has no legs to it: Robertson's red card was dubious while Pereira got lucky with just a booking and then scores moments later. I guess there's little appeal for any suggestion referees might not be biased against us.

Standard stuff from the BBC for the media darlings and victim club/city of the UK

If we had held on and won it would of been filled with even worse stuff about Liverpool not turning up, being the worse performance of the last 10 years and more lucky decisions our way blah blah blah.....

Same old predicted brown nosing BBC, can't stand the ****s!

I read that report this morning and had the same reaction as the OP

As an aside , despite what know it all Lineker says, Robertson should have been sent off. Blatant red
AP was fortunate to stay on with that tackle, but for some reason there is no mention of Gomez swinging a punch at Tete. That should have been an immediate red card.

Lets just state a couple of hard facts:-
1. Liverpool are the best team in the country and are most probably going to to walk away with the premier league title.

2. It was a tremedous Fulham performance to bring a point home from Anfield.

Really?

Who cares ???

Quote from: Arthur on December 15, 2024, 12:51:35 PMUnless I'm mistaken, it's not the match report; it's an article which sets out to make a point: Liverpool played the vast majority of the match with only 10 men and didn't lose and this reflects well on them.

Why should we be upset? The 'dig' - if there is one - is not aimed at us, but at Liverpool's title rivals and pre-season favourites Manchester City and Arsenal.

If anything, the writer has 'bigged us up' by implying we would have expected to win yesterday's game from the position of being a goal to the good and a man to the good, and that Liverpool somehow defied the odds in coming back to draw. Yet I certainly didn't expect us to win after 20 minutes; my hopes rose somewhat, of course, but I was far from expectant. And I suspect many other supporters felt the same way - with good reason.

Perhaps a thread like this was inevitable; the usual thread about decisions going the way of the 'big' clubs has no legs to it: Robertson's red card was dubious while Pereira got lucky with just a booking and then scores moments later. I guess there's little appeal for any suggestion referees might not be biased against us.

Without going into any many further details on your post, but in what universe was Robertsons red in any way dubious? To me it is as red as they come, and the only thing needed to review was whether there was an offside in the buildup. Absolutely nothing dubious, and even a fully corrupt referee (I'm not trying to suggest this was the case) would have had to give it. Even the Liverpool manager seemed to fully agree.

Personally I don't think Pereira's should have been anywhere near a red, but at least that feels more subjective.

Quote from: ffcne on December 15, 2024, 10:54:26 AMYou can never ever upset the good folk from Liverpool.

Especially when they are removing your hub caps.

Personally I don't see the problem (apart from Slot's silly remark about Robertson, but any manager would want to defend their own players I guess). That article sums up the game nicely IMO. Let's be honest, Liverpool with 10 men outplayed us for large parts of the game and deserve some credit.

As much as I dislike parts of Liverpool's fan base (and Harvey Elliott's haircut :slap: ) I would still rather see them win the Premier League than some authoritarian regime.

I would rather see them relegated, just to upset the bbc and sky and their football snobbery.

"Stealing from another post" but when you look at the bookies odds going into this match
Liverpool 1/3 win
Draw 5/1
Fulham 9/1 win

Shame I am not a gambling man. But either way the "big clubs" always will have that obsession. It goes around in circles, Liverpool will be very unlucky not to win the league but give it a few years and Arsenal will be closing the gap if Man United can't turn the corner

Quote from: Sting of the North on December 16, 2024, 07:57:29 AMWithout going into any many further details on your post, but in what universe was Robertsons red in any way dubious?

Personally I don't think Pereira's should have been anywhere near a red, but at least that feels more subjective.

My opinion - and I'm far from alone in thinking this - is that Robertson did not deny Wilson an obvious goalscoring opportunity. Wilson's steal took the ball more sideways than towards goal. Even had he not been brought down, it's unclear whether the next player to play the ball would have been Wilson, Van Dijk or Jimenez. I think it fairer to say there may have been a goalscoring chance for Wilson than that there would have been one. On this basis, it merits a yellow card more than it does a red.

Welcome to my universe.

Robertson's red was absolutely unquestionable.

I was surprised that Linekar didn't understand that Jiminez having a shot from the same move did not negate the denial of a clear goalscoring opportunity. The cynical foul by Robertson had happened, what happened next is incidental to the correct punishment.

Well it is all about opinions. Lunatic asylums were full of people saying that they weren't alone in thinking they way they do. We can all watch the same pictures, the same views and the same angles. Yet somehow come up with different opinions. We all know that Britain pays twice as much for heating and Electricity than Americans. Simply giving Green Companies subsidies for green energy when the wind doesn't blow or when it does blow and stopping all production of dirty fuel will leave us with huge power cut problems.

BUT we all see the same evidence. We all have different opinions.

Suffice to say I have no doubt that had the decisions on Saturday been against Fulham there would be no great comment or controversy.

The BBC remain and we pay for them.

Quote from: Lighthouse on December 16, 2024, 02:33:26 PMWell it is all about opinions. Lunatic asylums were full of people saying that they weren't alone in thinking they way they do.

I've seen some different ways in which forum members have disagreed with me, but this is novel, I'll say that.

Rather than dealing in thinly disguised insults, may I suggest you take a leaf out of my book and link the events on the field to the laws of the game? It will make for a more civil debate.

Quote from: Arthur on December 16, 2024, 09:55:49 PM

Quote from: Lighthouse on December 16, 2024, 02:33:26 PMWell it is all about opinions. Lunatic asylums were full of people saying that they weren't alone in thinking they way they do.

I've seen some different ways in which forum members have disagreed with me, but this is novel, I'll say that.

Rather than dealing in thinly disguised insults, may I suggest you take a leaf out of my book and link the events on the field to the laws of the game? It will make for a more civil debate.

 I used your phrase and thought it was a way to point out that lots of people have their opinions and hence the lunatic asylums were full of people who claim there are people who agree with them. It wasn't meant as a personal attack on you.

It's been a great few days

Whinging Liverpool supporters either genuine or so called T.V. experts, brilliant let them rant on & on & on...

All about Liverpool not "little old Fulham"

To steal & spoil the scousers points as well as those with those of Arsenal & Spuds fantastic. Love it!

Sadly, yet again more opportunities squandered to fly high in the Top 6 - how FULHAMISH!

17 points "lost" from a winning position so far this season, that's a horrible statistic.

However, we have proved (so far) that we should be respected, can deliver against ALL Premiership teams & progress further upwards.

Shahid / Marco - HOLD THE LINE
Don't sell any crown jewels (Prince Andrew excluded.)
Keep the current team together.
Add value where necessary in January if possible
Tweak & turn & develop & blood some Academy players next year
Crack on & enjoy the achievements so far this season
Buy in August

COYW!! 
 

Quote from: Lighthouse on December 16, 2024, 11:04:04 PMI used your phrase and thought it was a way to point out that lots of people have their opinions and hence the lunatic asylums were full of people who claim there are people who agree with them. It wasn't meant as a personal attack on you.

Fair enough.

I know you and I often hold different opinions as to the correctness of referees' decisions - and the colour of the card Robertson deserved may be another in this line of disagreements. All the same, I was surprised by (what seemed to be, but I now know wasn't) the suggestion I belong in an asylum.

Quote from: Arthur on December 16, 2024, 01:43:07 PM

Quote from: Sting of the North on December 16, 2024, 07:57:29 AMWithout going into any many further details on your post, but in what universe was Robertsons red in any way dubious?

Personally I don't think Pereira's should have been anywhere near a red, but at least that feels more subjective.

My opinion - and I'm far from alone in thinking this - is that Robertson did not deny Wilson an obvious goalscoring opportunity. Wilson's steal took the ball more sideways than towards goal. Even had he not been brought down, it's unclear whether the next player to play the ball would have been Wilson, Van Dijk or Jimenez. I think it fairer to say there may have been a goalscoring chance for Wilson than that there would have been one. On this basis, it merits a yellow card more than it does a red.

Welcome to my universe.

Thanks for putting forth your point of view. It is safe to say that I disagree on the level of uncertainty that you ascribe to the situation, but I appreciate you clarifying your point of view.