In control of a game and within two minutes what a disaster!
City have now lost more matches than we have.
Watching City fall to pieces is wonderful.
Is Pep really a 'tactical genius' if he only wins when having by far the best team in the league?
Quote from: JimmyConway on December 15, 2024, 06:39:52 PMIn control of a game and within two minutes what a disaster!
Absolutely dire game which neither team deserved to win.
Quote from: sarnian on December 15, 2024, 07:40:20 PMQuote from: JimmyConway on December 15, 2024, 06:39:52 PMIn control of a game and within two minutes what a disaster!
Absolutely dire game which neither team deserved to win.
The only highlight for me was the first half precorner tussle betweem Haarland and Hojlund which resembled two rutting stags fighting over a doe. All that was missing was a David Attenborough voiceover 'the Danish stag has encroached upon the territory of the Norwegian stag and there can only be one dominant male...'
Quote from: Grassy Noel on December 15, 2024, 09:57:30 PMQuote from: sarnian on December 15, 2024, 07:40:20 PMQuote from: JimmyConway on December 15, 2024, 06:39:52 PMIn control of a game and within two minutes what a disaster!
Absolutely dire game which neither team deserved to win.
The only highlight for me was the first half precorner tussle betweem Haarland and Hojlund which resembled two rutting stags fighting over a doe. All that was missing was a David Attenborough voiceover 'the Danish stag has encroached upon the territory of the Norwegian stag and there can only be one dominant male...'
Ooh Matron!!
Walker pretending to be knocked out was amusing
Quote from: St Eve on December 15, 2024, 10:37:05 PMWalker pretending to be knocked out was amusing
Walker getting outclassed, outran and out-performed by Adama was more amusing
Quote from: Craven Mad on December 15, 2024, 07:38:26 PMWatching City fall to pieces is wonderful.
Is Pep really a 'tactical genius' if he only wins when having by far the best team in the league?
I genuinely think he is a tactical genius, his teams have been some of the best I've ever seen, and he is very inventive in his approach and constantly evolves his teams. The way Gvardiol would go between being a CB, a LWB and almost a CF v us at the cottage last year was a good example of crazy ideas of his that somehow work.
What's been happening recently is totally remarkable. Since Rodri's injury they've fallen apart. We really should have beaten them.
Working with a soulless and corrupt club like City is a blight on his character though in my opinion.
He has a massive expensive squad, so there cannot be any excuses about injuries or loss of form as he has a massive advantage over most clubs.
He could almost pick a reserve team to play in the Premier League.
So no accolades from me, his Management and Coaching qualities are being severely tested, and he is not coping that well.
To lose at home in a local Derby to a mediocre Manchester United team after being 1 0 up signifies that there is more going on at Manchester City than meets the eye.
I don't think he can buy his way out of this current situation easily, his days of using a cheque Book as a crutch could well be over.
Some of the best football I've ever seen has been due to Pep. Credit where credit is due. Is he losing interest in a club with the values of Citeh. I would think not. If he loses concentration, perhaps go & recount the reported 20M annual salary to get you back on focus. I'm only upset as we should have beaten them.
Quote from: sarnian on December 15, 2024, 07:40:20 PMQuote from: JimmyConway on December 15, 2024, 06:39:52 PMIn control of a game and within two minutes what a disaster!
Absolutely dire game which neither team deserved to win.
+1 100%.
It genuinely would be interesting to see how he would do with a club with the budget of the likes of Ipswich or Southampton.
I honestly think there's more to city 's sudden demise than meets the eye.
I reckon half their fan base should go back to the clubs they used to support before the arab money
Said it before, I reckon they've had a heads up that their sanction for historic FFP breaches will be such a big points deduction that this season is a write-off, or they simply get relegated. So what's the point in showing up each week.
Although Guardiola does seem to be having some sort of personal breakdown, which lends itself to a different explanation, I admit.
Quote from: Craven Mad on December 15, 2024, 07:38:26 PMWatching City fall to pieces is wonderful.
Is Pep really a 'tactical genius' if he only wins when having by far the best team in the league?
Chelsea have a better squad. City have the better striker, and goalkeeper, no question. Rodri one of the best midfielders in the world, but Caicedo is very very good and has the potential to be just as good as Rodri. City's cb's maybe edge it.
Other than that I'd say Chelsea are at least as good, if not better and their squad depth is insane. The likes of De Bruyne, Walker and Gundogan are past their best.
Quote from: hopper on December 15, 2024, 11:41:45 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on December 15, 2024, 07:38:26 PMWatching City fall to pieces is wonderful.
Is Pep really a 'tactical genius' if he only wins when having by far the best team in the league?
I genuinely think he is a tactical genius, his teams have been some of the best I've ever seen, and he is very inventive in his approach and constantly evolves his teams. The way Gvardiol would go between being a CB, a LWB and almost a CF v us at the cottage last year was a good example of crazy ideas of his that somehow work.
What's been happening recently is totally remarkable. Since Rodri's injury they've fallen apart. We really should have beaten them.
Working with a soulless and corrupt club like City is a blight on his character though in my opinion.
It's easier to be a tactical genius when you have an enormous fat wallet to play with.
Yet he still relies on his players to dive and cheat.
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on December 16, 2024, 03:47:29 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on December 15, 2024, 07:38:26 PMWatching City fall to pieces is wonderful.
Is Pep really a 'tactical genius' if he only wins when having by far the best team in the league?
Chelsea have a better squad. City have the better striker, and goalkeeper, no question. Rodri one of the best midfielders in the world, but Caicedo is very very good and has the potential to be just as good as Rodri. City's cb's maybe edge it.
Other than that I'd say Chelsea are at least as good, if not better and their squad depth is insane. The likes of De Bruyne, Walker and Gundogan are past their best.
Absolutely, too many old men. We had the same problem in 2013-14 and it didn't end well.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 16, 2024, 03:58:51 PMQuote from: hopper on December 15, 2024, 11:41:45 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on December 15, 2024, 07:38:26 PMWatching City fall to pieces is wonderful.
Is Pep really a 'tactical genius' if he only wins when having by far the best team in the league?
I genuinely think he is a tactical genius, his teams have been some of the best I've ever seen, and he is very inventive in his approach and constantly evolves his teams. The way Gvardiol would go between being a CB, a LWB and almost a CF v us at the cottage last year was a good example of crazy ideas of his that somehow work.
What's been happening recently is totally remarkable. Since Rodri's injury they've fallen apart. We really should have beaten them.
Working with a soulless and corrupt club like City is a blight on his character though in my opinion.
It's easier to be a tactical genius when you have an enormous fat wallet to play with.
Yet he still relies on his players to dive and cheat.
Of course it's easier to win with amazing players. Do think it's reductive to use that to disprove the idea he's a brilliant manager though.
Always have a chuckle when 'big clubs' are struggling.
De Bruyne has always been one of my favorite players to watch. I have to say, watching this derby, his quality has really fallen off. Seems a shell of his former self.
Quote from: JimmyConway on December 15, 2024, 06:39:52 PMIn control of a game and within two minutes what a disaster!
Pep's thoughts at that time?
"I wish I had taken the Fulham job and been in charge of good players without the gigantic egos"
Quote from: hopper on December 16, 2024, 04:01:08 PMQuote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 16, 2024, 03:58:51 PMQuote from: hopper on December 15, 2024, 11:41:45 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on December 15, 2024, 07:38:26 PMWatching City fall to pieces is wonderful.
Is Pep really a 'tactical genius' if he only wins when having by far the best team in the league?
I genuinely think he is a tactical genius, his teams have been some of the best I've ever seen, and he is very inventive in his approach and constantly evolves his teams. The way Gvardiol would go between being a CB, a LWB and almost a CF v us at the cottage last year was a good example of crazy ideas of his that somehow work.
What's been happening recently is totally remarkable. Since Rodri's injury they've fallen apart. We really should have beaten them.
Working with a soulless and corrupt club like City is a blight on his character though in my opinion.
It's easier to be a tactical genius when you have an enormous fat wallet to play with.
Yet he still relies on his players to dive and cheat.
Of course it's easier to win with amazing players. Do think it's reductive to use that to disprove the idea he's a brilliant manager though.
Perhaps, but he is not been managing brilliantly over the last ten games, and when you consider the vast resources he has at his disposal, i feel even he is doubting himself.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 16, 2024, 10:28:04 PMQuote from: hopper on December 16, 2024, 04:01:08 PMQuote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 16, 2024, 03:58:51 PMQuote from: hopper on December 15, 2024, 11:41:45 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on December 15, 2024, 07:38:26 PMWatching City fall to pieces is wonderful.
Is Pep really a 'tactical genius' if he only wins when having by far the best team in the league?
I genuinely think he is a tactical genius, his teams have been some of the best I've ever seen, and he is very inventive in his approach and constantly evolves his teams. The way Gvardiol would go between being a CB, a LWB and almost a CF v us at the cottage last year was a good example of crazy ideas of his that somehow work.
What's been happening recently is totally remarkable. Since Rodri's injury they've fallen apart. We really should have beaten them.
Working with a soulless and corrupt club like City is a blight on his character though in my opinion.
It's easier to be a tactical genius when you have an enormous fat wallet to play with.
Yet he still relies on his players to dive and cheat.
Of course it's easier to win with amazing players. Do think it's reductive to use that to disprove the idea he's a brilliant manager though.
Perhaps, but he is not been managing brilliantly over the last ten games, and when you consider the vast resources he has at his disposal, i feel even he is doubting himself.
Then he needs to give himself a Pep talk.
Quote from: St Eve on December 15, 2024, 10:37:05 PMWalker pretending to be knocked out was amusing
I thought it was appalling and that he should have been carded for simulation.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 16, 2024, 10:28:04 PMQuote from: hopper on December 16, 2024, 04:01:08 PMQuote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 16, 2024, 03:58:51 PMQuote from: hopper on December 15, 2024, 11:41:45 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on December 15, 2024, 07:38:26 PMWatching City fall to pieces is wonderful.
Is Pep really a 'tactical genius' if he only wins when having by far the best team in the league?
I genuinely think he is a tactical genius, his teams have been some of the best I've ever seen, and he is very inventive in his approach and constantly evolves his teams. The way Gvardiol would go between being a CB, a LWB and almost a CF v us at the cottage last year was a good example of crazy ideas of his that somehow work.
What's been happening recently is totally remarkable. Since Rodri's injury they've fallen apart. We really should have beaten them.
Working with a soulless and corrupt club like City is a blight on his character though in my opinion.
It's easier to be a tactical genius when you have an enormous fat wallet to play with.
Yet he still relies on his players to dive and cheat.
Of course it's easier to win with amazing players. Do think it's reductive to use that to disprove the idea he's a brilliant manager though.
Perhaps, but he is not been managing brilliantly over the last ten games, and when you consider the vast resources he has at his disposal, i feel even he is doubting himself.
Undoubtedly, what's happening now is quite incredible. Nobody saw it coming, going from formidable to a laughing stock almost overnight.
He'll be envying Klopp who left on a high, Guardiola looks burnt out and lost right now. Shouldn't have signed that contract extension.
I think we underrate offield issues more than should. Yes, City are aging and injured and their CM is getting run-over in matches, but the offfield stuff is looming large. Its funny how things happening with a club seem to trickle down. Look at United and Chelsea. Everton at a lower level. When the club is in disarray it weirdly finds a way to trickle down.
I bet there will be some stories after the season about why it all fell apart. And maybe Pep is to blame as well as his message is probably wearing thin. But its probably a few things leading to this downfall.