INCIDENT: Liverpool defender Andy Robertson is shown a straight red card after bringing down Harry Wilson for denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity.
DERMOT SAYS: "I have had a lot of chances to look at this again and I did not think it was a red card at the time, and I still don't.
Robertson doesn't know he's coming, he mis-controls the ball and Wilson nicks the ball. Is he in control of the ball? No. Is he going to gain control of the ball? Very doubtful because the Liverpool player is going to get their first. Is he moving towards goal? No.
There's are too many variables and the 'O' [in DOGSO - Denying a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity] stands for obvious and not possible.
Then (Raul) Jimenez has a shot and the whistle actually goes when (Virgil) Van Dijk clears the ball so it adds a lot of complications to it.
"A more palatable decision would have been a yellow card.
"If you're going to give a red card then you whistle because once you whistle you're in control of the situation. If he thinks it's a red card then just blow.
"If the referee had whistled immediately then everyone would have accepted that."
The Man is a imbecile clear red clean through this liver agenda is disgraceful
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on December 16, 2024, 03:29:57 PMINCIDENT: Liverpool defender Andy Robertson is shown a straight red card after bringing down Harry Wilson for denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity.
DERMOT SAYS: "I have had a lot of chances to look at this again and I did not think it was a red card at the time, and I still don't.
Robertson doesn't know he's coming, he mis-controls the ball and Wilson nicks the ball. Is he in control of the ball? No. Is he going to gain control of the ball? Very doubtful because the Liverpool player is going to get their first. Is he moving towards goal? No.
There's are too many variables and the 'O' [in DOGSO - Denying a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity] stands for obvious and not possible.
Then (Raul) Jimenez has a shot and the whistle actually goes when (Virgil) Van Dijk clears the ball so it adds a lot of complications to it.
"A more palatable decision would have been a yellow card.
"If you're going to give a red card then you whistle because once you whistle you're in control of the situation. If he thinks it's a red card then just blow.
"If the referee had whistled immediately then everyone would have accepted that."
The Man is a imbecile clear red clean through this liver agenda is disgraceful
And if you look at the tackle again firstly Robertson's foul stops Harry from keeping the ball closer. Secondly it's not a simple trip, it's a full blown hack at him...violent conduct ..so red either way..or on reflection two reds
Lineker was the same on MOTD. Having watched the longer Sky highlights they seem to suggest the ref blows his whistle before Raul takes his shot. He should have just buried it either way though.
I think the ref is actually trying to help Robertson out to see how it plays out . If raul scores , just a yellow for Robertson and it's good refereeing . If Wilson isn't fouled there are so many permutations . I.e he gets in on goal himself , if Raul gets it he can pass it back to Wilson for a tap in . It's a poor tackle, I think ref got it right .
On referees, did anyone spot the comment by the former ref during the man utd game? I felt it was a Freudian slip, the challenge on Hauland and Neville was saying pen and then the former ref said, 'no, not enough in a match like this'
What's that suppose to mean? So if it's a lowly team like Everton or Southampton then it's a pen but if it's man city then it's not?
That's a perfect example,ple of the mindset of these so called officials.
It's a blatant example of how their brains work.
Like the goal kick pick up by arsenal in champions league.
Ref says I'm not giving a pen for a child's mistake in the champions league. WTF! If anything it's suppose to start at the top and work down, the kids can be given the benefit of the doubt but full grown adults in th3 champions league should absolutely know better!
Edit: Mike Dean was the culprit in the background on the Manchester Derby.
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on December 16, 2024, 03:29:57 PMINCIDENT: Liverpool defender Andy Robertson is shown a straight red card after bringing down Harry Wilson for denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity.
DERMOT SAYS: "I have had a lot of chances to look at this again and I did not think it was a red card at the time, and I still don't.
Robertson doesn't know he's coming, he mis-controls the ball and Wilson nicks the ball. Is he in control of the ball? No. Is he going to gain control of the ball? Very doubtful because the Liverpool player is going to get their first. Is he moving towards goal? No.
There's are too many variables and the 'O' [in DOGSO - Denying a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity] stands for obvious and not possible.
Then (Raul) Jimenez has a shot and the whistle actually goes when (Virgil) Van Dijk clears the ball so it adds a lot of complications to it.
"A more palatable decision would have been a yellow card.
"If you're going to give a red card then you whistle because once you whistle you're in control of the situation. If he thinks it's a red card then just blow.
"If the referee had whistled immediately then everyone would have accepted that."
The Man is a imbecile clear red clean through this liver agenda is disgraceful
ray just let me point out control of the ball or having the ball has nothing to do with the decision . Play can be firmly in one part of the pitch with the ball there also . If a player decides to trip or bring Down an opponent at the other end of the pitch ( and of course it's noticed by the ref ) it's a free kick where it happened regardless of where the ball is . However the ball was present on this occasion thus possibly denying a goal scoring opportunity , hence the red card .
There have always been disputed decisions in footbal and VAR has done little to reduce the number.
A Liverpool player comes and nicks the ball off a Fulham defender and the defender kicks him and brings him down.
Dermont Gallagerer says. Yes clear sending off had they been wearing different shirts. Obviously the Fulham player would have been sent off and we wouldn't have spent hours talking about it. But as Liverpool were cruelly victimised by the cruel and heartless referee. The more I can see the brown envelopes piling up. Poor Liverpool were cheated and my heart breaks for the mothers and children of the wonderful staff at the club. Liverpool have suffered enough and didn't deserve this.
Fulham once again have been given protection from the biased referee and VAR and officials.
Hope this will do. Up the Envelopes. Full of money like in my day.
All Names and team colours have been changed for legal reasons.
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 16, 2024, 06:53:11 PMA Liverpool player comes and nicks the ball off a Fulham defender and the defender kicks him and brings him down.
Dermont Gallagerer says. Yes clear sending off had they been wearing different shirts. Obviously the Fulham player would have been sent off and we wouldn't have spent hours talking about it. But as Liverpool were cruelly victimised by the cruel and heartless referee. The more I can see the brown envelopes piling up. Poor Liverpool were cheated and my heart breaks for the mothers and children of the wonderful staff at the club. Liverpool have suffered enough and didn't deserve this.
Fulham once again have been given protection from the biased referee and VAR and officials.
Hope this will do. Up the Envelopes. Full of money like in my day.
All Names and team colours have been changed for legal reasons.
It's known as victim culture, something Liverpool have managed to corner in the past 30+ years!
And Arne Slot: "It was a deserved red card". Clearly Mr Slot has not read the script ....
Quote from: filham on December 16, 2024, 06:46:01 PMThere have always been disputed decisions in footbal and VAR has done little to reduce the number.
Exactly.
Quote from: Whitesideup on December 16, 2024, 08:52:40 PMAnd Arne Slot: "It was a deserved red card". Clearly Mr Slot has not read the script ....
Is this the same pinhead that was counting down with his fingers while Leno was taking a goalkick...? ::tongue::
Dermot is an idiot. He usually always backs referees no matter how poor their decision was, not sure why he picked such an obvious red as the situation in which he'll go against the decision of the referee.
Tete was absolutely assaulted by Gomez- you had shocked liverpool players genuinely asking the ref why they hadn't been given a penalty. It's laughable, but these teams seem to get away with it.
I think these comments should be be referred to as
"THE LIVERPOOL ENTITLEMENT"
Quote from: MisfitKid on December 16, 2024, 10:41:17 PMQuote from: Whitesideup on December 16, 2024, 08:52:40 PMAnd Arne Slot: "It was a deserved red card". Clearly Mr Slot has not read the script ....
Is this the same pinhead that was counting down with his fingers while Leno was taking a goalkick...? ::tongue::
The penny hasn't dropped!
Quote from: bahay18 on December 16, 2024, 05:52:30 PMI think the ref is actually trying to help Robertson out to see how it plays out . If raul scores , just a yellow for Robertson and it's good refereeing . If Wilson isn't fouled there are so many permutations . I.e he gets in on goal himself , if Raul gets it he can pass it back to Wilson for a tap in . It's a poor tackle, I think ref got it right .
Exactly
I didn't think it was clear cut either way, but fair play to the ref for giving it to us, at Anfield of all places. That took courage and conviction.
Andreas Pereira had his customary self-sabotage moment, which could have ended badly for him, but the ref/VAR also allowed it.
Kenny Tete's unintentional challenge could have also been bad for us, but the ref took a practical and sympathetic view.
I honestly look at the refs performance and can't see any kind of conspiracy against us, regardless of ref watch.
If I was a Liverpool fan on the other hand, I'd feel a little aggrieved that the big calls all went our way.
Dermot Gallagher is a full on bellend. End of
Quote from: Ruislip White on December 17, 2024, 06:54:23 PMI didn't think it was clear cut either way, but fair play to the ref for giving it to us, at Anfield of all places. That took courage and conviction.
Andreas Pereira had his customary self-sabotage moment, which could have ended badly for him, but the ref/VAR also allowed it.
Kenny Tete's unintentional challenge could have also been bad for us, but the ref took a practical and sympathetic view.
I honestly look at the refs performance and can't see any kind of conspiracy against us, regardless of ref watch.
If I was a Liverpool fan on the other hand, I'd feel a little aggrieved that the big calls all went our way.
Oh well. I suppose it evens it up against the decisions we've had go against us over the years
Quote from: Jim© on December 17, 2024, 10:44:17 AMTete was absolutely assaulted by Gomez- you had shocked liverpool players genuinely asking the ref why they hadn't been given a penalty. It's laughable, but these teams seem to get away with it.
I thought Kenny was fouled as they scored there 1st goal, the Liverpool player clearly pulls his arm causing him to fall.
Quote from: bobbo on December 16, 2024, 06:30:52 PMHowever the ball was present on this occasion thus possibly denying a goal scoring opportunity , hence the red card .
But, as your quote of Dermot Gallagher points out: '... the [first] 'O' [in DOGSO] stands for
obvious and
not possible.'
By your own interpretation, should it not have been a yellow card?
There are many grey areas in football and Ref's plus var can only view it from a human perspective. We all know that generally the Ref's appear to Favor bigger clubs where possible.
Some referees look almost in awe of big clubs, and their contentious decisions will generally favour the bigger clubs.
As it's easier and clearly also without courage to upset the smaller clubs as opposed to facing the wrath of the bigger clubs.
So football snobbery does not only control the media, its tentacles actually envelope through the Referees Association, the actual body that is supposed to be impartial to guarantee a level playing field.
Once again the establishment is exposed by research and the gathering of information to be as bent as a banana, or for the more sensitive amongst us corrupt, no surprises there.
If you dig deeper you will find examples of a conflict of interest in many outlets.
In fact examples are basically staring us in the face if we pay enough attention.