That snake Mendes is up to his old tricks again, can we not just have a normal summer without any Marco Silva speculation.
"Marco Silva was proposed to Juventus by agent Jorge Mendes & Juventus are now evaluating the proposal.
There's nothing concrete at this stage but exploratory talks have taken place. According to @TuttoMercatoWeb
⚫⚪#FFC #PremierLeague"
https://x.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1928572021107036543?s=46&t=MQpeKLAIS_cZtCbMzx7__w
Just seems that our summer gets disrupted every single time.
Did the old lady say yes?
The title and description of this post don't align. Marco didn't propose to Juventus, it was the other way around.
Cleverly on Marco's part his representatives have been talking to Juve so that he can now look anyone in the eye and say "I swear to you I haven't been talking to Juve"
Offer him an extended contract and give him a two week deadline to sign it, we can't have him fcuking us about all summer playing one club off against another, no players are going to sign for us if they think the manager might be leaving.
I think it's fairly evident that Marco is open to other opportunities if a good one presents itself. He knows how to avoid the questions in interviews. The talksport interview where he said the decision has been made he's staying was encouraging - but genuinely could see his head turned by Juventus who qualified for Champions League at the last minute.
He's so ambitious and this would be a huge opportunity.
It appears from reliable journalists like DiMarzio and Sky Italia that his agent proposed him, so if true then it seems Silva would be open to it.
As OP says - can't we just have a normal summer for once. It's so frustrating having had this for a while, but I guess is just the cost of being a mid-table PL team.
It would be a dereliction of duty if Marco's agent didn't investigate any opportunities that may arise. He would then report back to Marco and things would go from there. It doesn't mean Marco is actively looking to leave. We are so quick to believe everything we read or hear. 99% is Bulls**t.
Heard from an insider a while back the Silva aspired to be an "elite manager" at the level of Guardiola et al. So could never really see him cashing in for a one way ticket to Saudi, or even Man Utd in their current state. But this is one I could see genuinely interesting him.
Marco has said he is here next season, right?!
I think this is our last season with Marco, and he wants to see out the contract.
My two pennies.
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on May 31, 2025, 07:18:19 AMMarco has said he is here next season, right?!
I think this is our last season with Marco, and he wants to see out the contract.
My two pennies.
I hope so....
Quote from: demeant0r on May 31, 2025, 12:16:48 AMThe title and description of this post don't align. Marco didn't propose to Juventus, it was the other way around.
It has been reported that Marco's agent (Mendes) "proposed him to Juve".
can't turn down a club like Juventus unfortunately. I get turning down saudi but juve... sigh
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on May 31, 2025, 07:18:19 AMMarco has said he is here next season, right?!
I think this is our last season with Marco, and he wants to see out the contract.
My two pennies.
Didn't he say he "expects" to be here, not quite the same as he "will" be here.
He is keeping his powder dry and his options open, and at the same time being diplomatic about it.
You cannot blame him for considering any opportunity's that may arise.
He is clearly very ambitious, and naturally like any ambitious manager wants to reach Cup Finals and win Trophies.
Which he may have decided will not happen whilst he is at Fulham. If that is the case he is not going to accept mid table mediocrity at Fulham for much longer.
So if he does depart, let us hope it is sorted way before the new season. Otherwise we shall be chasing our tail into preseason friendlies. Which is no way to prepare for season 2025/26, at any level let alone the Premier League.
If they do settle on Silva I'd expect him to go, and would totally understand it. I've had them earmarked as his next move for a year or two now. Good chance to win trophies, with a higher budget etc
My question is who the club might have on their shortlist in case he does go...
He goes - he goes.... He stays - he stays.
No point in anxiety attacks and gnashing of teeth on here. Que sera sera.
Why are these clubs never in for Ireola, Frank or Glasner? Always seems to frigging be Marco and end of the day very little between how their teams have performed. Frank has been performing at this level for longer so go and stuff Brentford up Juve!!
I wasn't worried about the Saudi or Spurs links but this one does worry me .If Juve decide he his the man for them ,then I think he goes but let's hope if he does ,he goes early so we can get things sorted
He wants to be in the prem but surely he doesn't turn a club like Juve down if they want him. End of the day if he goes there and succeeds that's his best chance of a top 4 prem job anyway. Let's hope they decide he's not a big enough name.
Quote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 01:00:36 PMWhy are these clubs never in for Ireola, Frank or Glasner? Always seems to frigging be Marco and end of the day very little between how their teams have performed. Frank has been performing at this level for longer so go and stuff Brentford up Juve!!
Put simply it's because their entourage don't make it known that their man is looking to move on,
Do you remember two or three summers ago at the height of the "Silva is going to Saudi" rumours, there were all those photos of Silva and Boa "On Holiday " in the middle East with their families,
He's going it's just a matter of when.
Quote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 01:04:47 PMHe wants to be in the prem but surely he doesn't turn a club like Juve down if they want him. End of the day if he goes there and succeeds that's his best chance of a top 4 prem job anyway. Let's hope they decide he's not a big enough name.
Because of the Everton stint, I've thought his best shot at a "top 6" job would be going abroad at a top club and proving himself there first. Juventus is certainly a great opportunity if that is where his ambition is.
Every manager goes. Few make it past 3 years. Every season is a bonus. Let's hope we have a plan B
Quote from: C Block on May 31, 2025, 12:30:48 AMOffer him an extended contract and give him a two week deadline to sign it, we can't have him fcuking us about all summer playing one club off against another, no players are going to sign for us if they think the manager might be leaving.
This all day long, said a few weeks ago that we can't faff around all summer and even into next season with Marcos contract running down.
Quote from: Staffs White on May 31, 2025, 02:25:59 PMQuote from: C Block on May 31, 2025, 12:30:48 AMOffer him an extended contract and give him a two week deadline to sign it, we can't have him fcuking us about all summer playing one club off against another, no players are going to sign for us if they think the manager might be leaving.
This all day long, said a few weeks ago that we can't faff around all summer and even into next season with Marcos contract running down.
Yeah agreed. Either commit now or go. Last thing we want to do is spend £100m on Marco players and then he sacks us off. I suppose easier said than done however...we give him the ultimatum and he doesn't agree to sign an extension what do we do? Sack him? That would be bold and costly to pay him out of his contract and get someone else. Got to put some pressure on however and try and get him to sign an extension now. Incentivise with pay rise etc of course. Not sure how he can convince players to come for his long term vision if he only has a year left so needs to show that commitment himself.
To be fair thinking about it if this is gonna happen it will happen quickly. Juve would want him in immediately to plan their own transfer business. Suspect we'll know one way or another over the next week or two max. Here's praying.
Quote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 02:52:09 PMQuote from: Staffs White on May 31, 2025, 02:25:59 PMQuote from: C Block on May 31, 2025, 12:30:48 AMOffer him an extended contract and give him a two week deadline to sign it, we can't have him fcuking us about all summer playing one club off against another, no players are going to sign for us if they think the manager might be leaving.
This all day long, said a few weeks ago that we can't faff around all summer and even into next season with Marcos contract running down.
Yeah agreed. Either commit now or go. Last thing we want to do is spend £100m on Marco players and then he sacks us off. I suppose easier said than done however...we give him the ultimatum and he doesn't agree to sign an extension what do we do? Sack him? That would be bold and costly to pay him out of his contract and get someone else. Got to put some pressure on however and try and get him to sign an extension now. Incentivise with pay rise etc of course. Not sure how he can convince players to come for his long term vision if he only has a year left so needs to show that commitment himself.
Do the same as QPR and stick him on garden leave.
WOW! So far he has said he is not going to the Middle East and he will be here next year. He hasn't mentioned Juventus. They apparently want him. He had a year left on his contract. As far as I can see he has done absolutely nothing wrong. It's absurd to put him on gardening leave or give him 2 weeks to sign a contract.
Even if nothing comes of this and he stays next season (25/26) can we see him being here the season after (26/27)? IMO no. If we have another underwhelming 11th-14th sort of season, I think all parties will agree they need to part ways to progress. If we do better and finish top half, surely he'll finally get poached. So IMO this summer, someone besides Silva needs to be dominant in our transfer decisions (and not TK, obviously).
Quote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 02:52:09 PMQuote from: Staffs White on May 31, 2025, 02:25:59 PMQuote from: C Block on May 31, 2025, 12:30:48 AMOffer him an extended contract and give him a two week deadline to sign it, we can't have him fcuking us about all summer playing one club off against another, no players are going to sign for us if they think the manager might be leaving.
This all day long, said a few weeks ago that we can't faff around all summer and even into next season with Marcos contract running down.
Yeah agreed. Either commit now or go. Last thing we want to do is spend £100m on Marco players and then he sacks us off. I suppose easier said than done however...we give him the ultimatum and he doesn't agree to sign an extension what do we do? Sack him? That would be bold and costly to pay him out of his contract and get someone else. Got to put some pressure on however and try and get him to sign an extension now. Incentivise with pay rise etc of course. Not sure how he can convince players to come for his long term vision if he only has a year left so needs to show that commitment himself.
Sorry - what a load of crap. Marco has a good reputation for developing players, but also getting his team to play a good and well respected style of football.
At worst case scenario give him £100 to bring in some very good players and hold him to his contract, so this time next year we're in a better place to A) get him committed to a new contract, and B) if he does leave, give a better squad to whoever may come in - who will likely be better, if they know they've a good squad to work with.
It's so petulant to get rid of a good thing and be triggered by hearsay - he's had rumours around him for the last two summers and hasn't left, and in fact has signed a new contract at the time.
For all you know he could have the contracts he has because he wants to keep the club accountable to investing in the squad and not feeling 100% certain they would if they tied him down longer... perhaps having a shorter contract keeps him intellectually on his feet.
People need to calm the f**k down and stop being so melodramatic about this stuff.
Hodgson left and we spent years yo-yo-ing... We've been through sh*t as a club and always managed to bounce back. Marco's been great for the club so far, so back him. One in the hand is always better than two in the bush.
I say go now!! boring every season enough already, Take the Great Cairney with you and Pereira.
Cheers.
Quote from: General on May 31, 2025, 05:02:08 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 02:52:09 PMQuote from: Staffs White on May 31, 2025, 02:25:59 PMQuote from: C Block on May 31, 2025, 12:30:48 AMOffer him an extended contract and give him a two week deadline to sign it, we can't have him fcuking us about all summer playing one club off against another, no players are going to sign for us if they think the manager might be leaving.
This all day long, said a few weeks ago that we can't faff around all summer and even into next season with Marcos contract running down.
Yeah agreed. Either commit now or go. Last thing we want to do is spend £100m on Marco players and then he sacks us off. I suppose easier said than done however...we give him the ultimatum and he doesn't agree to sign an extension what do we do? Sack him? That would be bold and costly to pay him out of his contract and get someone else. Got to put some pressure on however and try and get him to sign an extension now. Incentivise with pay rise etc of course. Not sure how he can convince players to come for his long term vision if he only has a year left so needs to show that commitment himself.
Sorry - what a load of crap. Marco has a good reputation for developing players, but also getting his team to play a good and well respected style of football.
At worst case scenario give him £100 to bring in some very good players and hold him to his contract, so this time next year we're in a better place to A) get him committed to a new contract, and B) if he does leave, give a better squad to whoever may come in - who will likely be better, if they know they've a good squad to work with.
It's so petulant to get rid of a good thing and be triggered by hearsay - he's had rumours around him for the last two summers and hasn't left, and in fact has signed a new contract at the time.
For all you know he could have the contracts he has because he wants to keep the club accountable to investing in the squad and not feeling 100% certain they would if they tied him down longer... perhaps having a shorter contract keeps him intellectually on his feet.
People need to calm the f**k down and stop being so melodramatic about this stuff.
Hodgson left and we spent years yo-yo-ing... We've been through sh*t as a club and always managed to bounce back. Marco's been great for the club so far, so back him. One in the hand is always better than two in the bush.
You make some fair comments mate but what's the need for what a load of crap comment? Could just make your points without that. ::smile::
I've never been one to blindly follow rumours. I made the point on here that the Saudi thing was complete BS as so clear from last time he didn't want to go there. Some reputable sources on this one and unlikely I think he'd turn Juve down as an absolutely massive job. I'm not having a go at him. To be fair I wouldn't blame him at all for taking that job over Fulham...what manager wouldn't? My point was more that we need a decision quickly if this Juve offer is really there so we can plan and before we start spending.
I wasn't actually saying that we should sack him if he doesn't sign an extension. To the contrary I was saying that although we want him to commit if he doesn't there aren't really any sensible options for the club other than to just continue as you have outlined. We should in my opinion however try and get him to commit if we can if this Juve thing goes away as I love the guy and think he's been brilliant for the club. Every player that comes says they have done so because of him selling the project to them and them wanting to work with him. Incredibly difficult if they aren't convinced themselves that he is going to be here for long. For this reason all rumours aside I was already desperately hoping he extends.
Totally take the point that sure he'd do brilliantly over the next year if we spend £100m on players he wants. Different managers have different systems and different ideas for the players they want however so there is that side to it as well if we are being balanced. This summer is a huge opportunity to kick on with a very solid team already and hopefully a lot to spend. Praying it is Marco heading that up.
Ive been preparing for this for at least the past two summers. Marcos work is obviously not going unnoticed and if its not Juve this time then surely its someone else. Another season with Marco is a bonus
Ive read somewhere that Vitor Pereira is/would be considered as a replacement. Wouldnt be against that at all and it would be a nice touch to keep our Lusophone vibe
It's frustrating as really couldn't see a top 6 prem side coming in for him until we perhaps did a Forrest of this year. Like Nuno was tarnished with Spurs, Marco has been with Everton. The spurs fans when rumoured almost universally hated the idea. Reckon Ireola would prob be ahead of him in that queue as a result.
This Juve thing if true is a bit of a killer however. He clearly only wants the prem and doubt he wants to be in Italy but it really could be a golden ticket for him to then get a top 6 prem job if successful with Juve for a few years. Could he turn it down because he just doesn't want to leave the prem and with Fulham in a very good position to kick on? It's possible I suppose. My heart hopes but my head on that one says we're stuffed if Juve are serious.
Quote from: Deuce on May 31, 2025, 06:08:36 PMIve been preparing for this for at least the past two summers. Marcos work is obviously not going unnoticed and if its not Juve this time then surely its someone else. Another season with Marco is a bonus
Ive read somewhere that Vitor Pereira is/would be considered as a replacement. Wouldnt be against that at all and it would be a nice touch to keep our Lusophone vibe
Vitor Pereira isn't a great idea because he plays with a system that we don't really have a squad for in a 3-4-3 or a 3-4-2-1; we'd need to spend more money on defenders who are comfortable in his back 3 system and it would render Robbo less effective from LWB. Our squad is so geared to a 4-3-3 oriented system that we either pick a replacement who can pick up this squad and take it forward with some additions, or we pick a manager who uses a different system and give them shed loads of money to rebuild the squad, which realistically takes two seasons given the first year will be an unknown with new players and new system
Quote from: Deeping_white on May 31, 2025, 06:27:05 PMQuote from: Deuce on May 31, 2025, 06:08:36 PMIve been preparing for this for at least the past two summers. Marcos work is obviously not going unnoticed and if its not Juve this time then surely its someone else. Another season with Marco is a bonus
Ive read somewhere that Vitor Pereira is/would be considered as a replacement. Wouldnt be against that at all and it would be a nice touch to keep our Lusophone vibe
Vitor Pereira isn't a great idea because he plays with a system that we don't really have a squad for in a 3-4-3 or a 3-4-2-1; we'd need to spend more money on defenders who are comfortable in his back 3 system and it would render Robbo less effective from LWB. Our squad is so geared to a 4-3-3 oriented system that we either pick a replacement who can pick up this squad and take it forward with some additions, or we pick a manager who uses a different system and give them shed loads of money to rebuild the squad, which realistically takes two seasons given the first year will be an unknown with new players and new system
And this is exactly the point of not wanting to spend £100m+ on Marco players if he isn't going to be here for long. Incredibly important to fit players to a managers system unless we find a manager who plays in a similar way. Surely however we want the best manager for the job and their system comes with them. He has performed miracles second half of the season for Wolves but a small sample size of course. With the money we should have to spend possible to tweak things if we really wanted him if Marco did go but again need to sort that soon if it were to happen.
This was the same position the last time he was in the situation before he signed again .Think he will do the same again,also to all the posters who want him gone be careful what you wish for.
Quote from: hovewhite on May 31, 2025, 06:44:20 PMThis was the same position the last time he was in the situation before he signed again .Think he will do the same again,also to all the posters who want him gone be careful what you wish for.
Or Marco leaving could be the best thing that happens for us.
Quote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 05:53:43 PMQuote from: General on May 31, 2025, 05:02:08 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 02:52:09 PMQuote from: Staffs White on May 31, 2025, 02:25:59 PMQuote from: C Block on May 31, 2025, 12:30:48 AMOffer him an extended contract and give him a two week deadline to sign it, we can't have him fcuking us about all summer playing one club off against another, no players are going to sign for us if they think the manager might be leaving.
This all day long, said a few weeks ago that we can't faff around all summer and even into next season with Marcos contract running down.
Yeah agreed. Either commit now or go. Last thing we want to do is spend £100m on Marco players and then he sacks us off. I suppose easier said than done however...we give him the ultimatum and he doesn't agree to sign an extension what do we do? Sack him? That would be bold and costly to pay him out of his contract and get someone else. Got to put some pressure on however and try and get him to sign an extension now. Incentivise with pay rise etc of course. Not sure how he can convince players to come for his long term vision if he only has a year left so needs to show that commitment himself.
Sorry - what a load of crap. Marco has a good reputation for developing players, but also getting his team to play a good and well respected style of football.
At worst case scenario give him £100 to bring in some very good players and hold him to his contract, so this time next year we're in a better place to A) get him committed to a new contract, and B) if he does leave, give a better squad to whoever may come in - who will likely be better, if they know they've a good squad to work with.
It's so petulant to get rid of a good thing and be triggered by hearsay - he's had rumours around him for the last two summers and hasn't left, and in fact has signed a new contract at the time.
For all you know he could have the contracts he has because he wants to keep the club accountable to investing in the squad and not feeling 100% certain they would if they tied him down longer... perhaps having a shorter contract keeps him intellectually on his feet.
People need to calm the f**k down and stop being so melodramatic about this stuff.
Hodgson left and we spent years yo-yo-ing... We've been through sh*t as a club and always managed to bounce back. Marco's been great for the club so far, so back him. One in the hand is always better than two in the bush.
You make some fair comments mate but what's the need for what a load of crap comment? Could just make your points without that. ::smile::
I've never been one to blindly follow rumours. I made the point on here that the Saudi thing was complete BS as so clear from last time he didn't want to go there. Some reputable sources on this one and unlikely I think he'd turn Juve down as an absolutely massive job. I'm not having a go at him. To be fair I wouldn't blame him at all for taking that job over Fulham...what manager wouldn't? My point was more that we need a decision quickly if this Juve offer is really there so we can plan and before we start spending.
I wasn't actually saying that we should sack him if he doesn't sign an extension. To the contrary I was saying that although we want him to commit if he doesn't there aren't really any sensible options for the club other than to just continue as you have outlined. We should in my opinion however try and get him to commit if we can if this Juve thing goes away as I love the guy and think he's been brilliant for the club. Every player that comes says they have done so because of him selling the project to them and them wanting to work with him. Incredibly difficult if they aren't convinced themselves that he is going to be here for long. For this reason all rumours aside I was already desperately hoping he extends.
Totally take the point that sure he'd do brilliantly over the next year if we spend £100m on players he wants. Different managers have different systems and different ideas for the players they want however so there is that side to it as well if we are being balanced. This summer is a huge opportunity to kick on with a very solid team already and hopefully a lot to spend. Praying it is Marco heading that up.
I appreciate that, and could've used less profane language, but whilst I appreciate the reply - your initial post was a lot more black and white and seemingly emotionally wreckless. You don't give a manager who's been our best since Roy, and who's just got us our record PL points tally, had us in the european spots for most of the season and who has brought on a lot of players, built up a credible reputation for the club and has us playing good football, whilst also sticking with us through overtures from Saudi AND getting us to multiple QFs and more wins against top opposition that I think we've had under any managers.
And you wanted to give him a black and white ultimatum. You wanted to force him into doing something - which is arguably the most wreckless and disrespectful thing you can do.
Marco's not someone who's got no self esteem and will just buckle because it suits his agenda - he's a PL manager who's worked his way up and done an incredible job to get to the top of his field.
Would you like to be forced into a decision given everything he's done if you were him?
It's incredibly disrespectful and simply not how you treat someone who's done so well for you.
I'm a wee bit jealous of Brentford and Thomas Frank. He's done brilliant, and seems content - never any agent touting him around or paper talk noise around him.
Getting a bit tiresome now as this is third summer of it. Does seem to have some credibility that he's being considered but not seen it say he's top choice.
Silver lining if he does go is that wouldn't be playing against him and seeing him every week.
Been very worried about the day after Silva. I've felt our success in recent years has been his by and large and I don't have much faith in our management. Signings have been good recent years so I do hope that will translate to a managerial appointment. Not an obvious pick out there.
Quote from: General on May 31, 2025, 08:05:37 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 05:53:43 PMQuote from: General on May 31, 2025, 05:02:08 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 02:52:09 PMQuote from: Staffs White on May 31, 2025, 02:25:59 PMQuote from: C Block on May 31, 2025, 12:30:48 AMOffer him an extended contract and give him a two week deadline to sign it, we can't have him fcuking us about all summer playing one club off against another, no players are going to sign for us if they think the manager might be leaving.
This all day long, said a few weeks ago that we can't faff around all summer and even into next season with Marcos contract running down.
Yeah agreed. Either commit now or go. Last thing we want to do is spend £100m on Marco players and then he sacks us off. I suppose easier said than done however...we give him the ultimatum and he doesn't agree to sign an extension what do we do? Sack him? That would be bold and costly to pay him out of his contract and get someone else. Got to put some pressure on however and try and get him to sign an extension now. Incentivise with pay rise etc of course. Not sure how he can convince players to come for his long term vision if he only has a year left so needs to show that commitment himself.
Sorry - what a load of crap. Marco has a good reputation for developing players, but also getting his team to play a good and well respected style of football.
At worst case scenario give him £100 to bring in some very good players and hold him to his contract, so this time next year we're in a better place to A) get him committed to a new contract, and B) if he does leave, give a better squad to whoever may come in - who will likely be better, if they know they've a good squad to work with.
It's so petulant to get rid of a good thing and be triggered by hearsay - he's had rumours around him for the last two summers and hasn't left, and in fact has signed a new contract at the time.
For all you know he could have the contracts he has because he wants to keep the club accountable to investing in the squad and not feeling 100% certain they would if they tied him down longer... perhaps having a shorter contract keeps him intellectually on his feet.
People need to calm the f**k down and stop being so melodramatic about this stuff.
Hodgson left and we spent years yo-yo-ing... We've been through sh*t as a club and always managed to bounce back. Marco's been great for the club so far, so back him. One in the hand is always better than two in the bush.
You make some fair comments mate but what's the need for what a load of crap comment? Could just make your points without that. ::smile::
I've never been one to blindly follow rumours. I made the point on here that the Saudi thing was complete BS as so clear from last time he didn't want to go there. Some reputable sources on this one and unlikely I think he'd turn Juve down as an absolutely massive job. I'm not having a go at him. To be fair I wouldn't blame him at all for taking that job over Fulham...what manager wouldn't? My point was more that we need a decision quickly if this Juve offer is really there so we can plan and before we start spending.
I wasn't actually saying that we should sack him if he doesn't sign an extension. To the contrary I was saying that although we want him to commit if he doesn't there aren't really any sensible options for the club other than to just continue as you have outlined. We should in my opinion however try and get him to commit if we can if this Juve thing goes away as I love the guy and think he's been brilliant for the club. Every player that comes says they have done so because of him selling the project to them and them wanting to work with him. Incredibly difficult if they aren't convinced themselves that he is going to be here for long. For this reason all rumours aside I was already desperately hoping he extends.
Totally take the point that sure he'd do brilliantly over the next year if we spend £100m on players he wants. Different managers have different systems and different ideas for the players they want however so there is that side to it as well if we are being balanced. This summer is a huge opportunity to kick on with a very solid team already and hopefully a lot to spend. Praying it is Marco heading that up.
I appreciate that, and could've used less profane language, but whilst I appreciate the reply - your initial post was a lot more black and white and seemingly emotionally wreckless. You don't give a manager who's been our best since Roy, and who's just got us our record PL points tally, had us in the european spots for most of the season and who has brought on a lot of players, built up a credible reputation for the club and has us playing good football, whilst also sticking with us through overtures from Saudi AND getting us to multiple QFs and more wins against top opposition that I think we've had under any managers.
And you wanted to give him a black and white ultimatum. You wanted to force him into doing something - which is arguably the most wreckless and disrespectful thing you can do.
Marco's not someone who's got no self esteem and will just buckle because it suits his agenda - he's a PL manager who's worked his way up and done an incredible job to get to the top of his field.
Would you like to be forced into a decision given everything he's done if you were him?
It's incredibly disrespectful and simply not how you treat someone who's done so well for you.
Yeah fair enough mate. To be fair reading my post back read that way so poor form and not really what I meant at all. Im his biggest fan and want him to stay for as long as possible. Just a reaction really to being gutted knowing that if this Juve thing is real we're prob stuffed and really just a simple response to preceding posts.
Did come across as very black and white and if I was in charge of the club I would never be threatening him, especially after all he has done. ::smile::
If the Juve thing is real I would however be sitting down with him and saying look Marco you've been absolutely amazing for us and we are desperate for you to stay and we will back you with everything we have but we need to know in the next few weeks if you do want to take the Juve offer. I think that is completely fair enough and I think he would too.
If he wanted to stay or Juve don't actually want him I also think it's perfectly reasonable if he wants the club to spend to the FFP limits on players that he wants to meet the ambitious plan that he has laid out to also say that we will absolutely do that but we do also want a commitment in return of an extended contract. It's not a one way street. He would of course be rewarded with increased pay and longer in the prem where he wants to be so it's not like he's not getting anything out of it. As I say I was actually questioning the ultimatum as my point was not like we're then going to sack him. If he doesn't want to sign one the club then however has to assess whether they want to back him to the hilt and chuck everything at it this summer if they think he is definitely going to leave next summer because he won't commit. I think there is definitely at least a question of whether or not it is wise to do that and I think it's perfectly reasonable if the club feel that isn't the best option.
For what it's worth if Juve don't go for him I wouldn't be surprised if he did extend. Said on here before I don't think he leaves us unless offered a top 6 prem job or something like Juve that will get him to that. If then that is not on the table then I reckon he stays beyond next summer so can't see why he'd have an issue extending.
Quote from: hopper on May 31, 2025, 08:20:56 PMI'm a wee bit jealous of Brentford and Thomas Frank. He's done brilliant, and seems content - never any agent touting him around or paper talk noise around him.
Getting a bit tiresome now as this is third summer of it. Does seem to have some credibility that he's being considered but not seen it say he's top choice.
Silver lining if he does go is that wouldn't be playing against him and seeing him every week.
Been very worried about the day after Silva. I've felt our success in recent years has been his by and large and I don't have much faith in our management. Signings have been good recent years so I do hope that will translate to a managerial appointment. Not an obvious pick out there.
Yeah me too. Frank just seems content there. Reported Ireola turned down Tottenham as well as was happy with the project at Bournemouth. Who knows if true but annoying if it is. As much as I love Marco we all know that as soon as the job that matches his ambitions comes up he'll be off which is a constant cloud over us. Having said that if either were offered Juve would they turn it down?! Highly doubtful but who knows.
And yeah agreed. Big concern who we are going to get if he does go. You never know...they could be brilliant but I honestly think Marco has done brilliantly with what he has been given so a big concern.
Quote from: General on May 31, 2025, 05:02:08 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 02:52:09 PMQuote from: Staffs White on May 31, 2025, 02:25:59 PMQuote from: C Block on May 31, 2025, 12:30:48 AMOffer him an extended contract and give him a two week deadline to sign it, we can't have him fcuking us about all summer playing one club off against another, no players are going to sign for us if they think the manager might be leaving.
This all day long, said a few weeks ago that we can't faff around all summer and even into next season with Marcos contract running down.
Yeah agreed. Either commit now or go. Last thing we want to do is spend £100m on Marco players and then he sacks us off. I suppose easier said than done however...we give him the ultimatum and he doesn't agree to sign an extension what do we do? Sack him? That would be bold and costly to pay him out of his contract and get someone else. Got to put some pressure on however and try and get him to sign an extension now. Incentivise with pay rise etc of course. Not sure how he can convince players to come for his long term vision if he only has a year left so needs to show that commitment himself.
Sorry - what a load of crap. Marco has a good reputation for developing players, but also getting his team to play a good and well respected style of football.
At worst case scenario give him £100 to bring in some very good players and hold him to his contract, so this time next year we're in a better place to A) get him committed to a new contract, and B) if he does leave, give a better squad to whoever may come in - who will likely be better, if they know they've a good squad to work with.
It's so petulant to get rid of a good thing and be triggered by hearsay - he's had rumours around him for the last two summers and hasn't left, and in fact has signed a new contract at the time.
For all you know he could have the contracts he has because he wants to keep the club accountable to investing in the squad and not feeling 100% certain they would if they tied him down longer... perhaps having a shorter contract keeps him intellectually on his feet.
People need to calm the f**k down and stop being so melodramatic about this stuff.
Hodgson left and we spent years yo-yo-ing... We've been through sh*t as a club and always managed to bounce back. Marco's been great for the club so far, so back him. One in the hand is always better than two in the bush.
Not going to many good players for £100. :slap:
Quote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 08:36:08 PMQuote from: General on May 31, 2025, 08:05:37 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 05:53:43 PMQuote from: General on May 31, 2025, 05:02:08 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on May 31, 2025, 02:52:09 PMQuote from: Staffs White on May 31, 2025, 02:25:59 PMQuote from: C Block on May 31, 2025, 12:30:48 AMOffer him an extended contract and give him a two week deadline to sign it, we can't have him fcuking us about all summer playing one club off against another, no players are going to sign for us if they think the manager might be leaving.
This all day long, said a few weeks ago that we can't faff around all summer and even into next season with Marcos contract running down.
Yeah agreed. Either commit now or go. Last thing we want to do is spend £100m on Marco players and then he sacks us off. I suppose easier said than done however...we give him the ultimatum and he doesn't agree to sign an extension what do we do? Sack him? That would be bold and costly to pay him out of his contract and get someone else. Got to put some pressure on however and try and get him to sign an extension now. Incentivise with pay rise etc of course. Not sure how he can convince players to come for his long term vision if he only has a year left so needs to show that commitment himself.
Sorry - what a load of crap. Marco has a good reputation for developing players, but also getting his team to play a good and well respected style of football.
At worst case scenario give him £100 to bring in some very good players and hold him to his contract, so this time next year we're in a better place to A) get him committed to a new contract, and B) if he does leave, give a better squad to whoever may come in - who will likely be better, if they know they've a good squad to work with.
It's so petulant to get rid of a good thing and be triggered by hearsay - he's had rumours around him for the last two summers and hasn't left, and in fact has signed a new contract at the time.
For all you know he could have the contracts he has because he wants to keep the club accountable to investing in the squad and not feeling 100% certain they would if they tied him down longer... perhaps having a shorter contract keeps him intellectually on his feet.
People need to calm the f**k down and stop being so melodramatic about this stuff.
Hodgson left and we spent years yo-yo-ing... We've been through sh*t as a club and always managed to bounce back. Marco's been great for the club so far, so back him. One in the hand is always better than two in the bush.
You make some fair comments mate but what's the need for what a load of crap comment? Could just make your points without that. ::smile::
I've never been one to blindly follow rumours. I made the point on here that the Saudi thing was complete BS as so clear from last time he didn't want to go there. Some reputable sources on this one and unlikely I think he'd turn Juve down as an absolutely massive job. I'm not having a go at him. To be fair I wouldn't blame him at all for taking that job over Fulham...what manager wouldn't? My point was more that we need a decision quickly if this Juve offer is really there so we can plan and before we start spending.
I wasn't actually saying that we should sack him if he doesn't sign an extension. To the contrary I was saying that although we want him to commit if he doesn't there aren't really any sensible options for the club other than to just continue as you have outlined. We should in my opinion however try and get him to commit if we can if this Juve thing goes away as I love the guy and think he's been brilliant for the club. Every player that comes says they have done so because of him selling the project to them and them wanting to work with him. Incredibly difficult if they aren't convinced themselves that he is going to be here for long. For this reason all rumours aside I was already desperately hoping he extends.
Totally take the point that sure he'd do brilliantly over the next year if we spend £100m on players he wants. Different managers have different systems and different ideas for the players they want however so there is that side to it as well if we are being balanced. This summer is a huge opportunity to kick on with a very solid team already and hopefully a lot to spend. Praying it is Marco heading that up.
I appreciate that, and could've used less profane language, but whilst I appreciate the reply - your initial post was a lot more black and white and seemingly emotionally wreckless. You don't give a manager who's been our best since Roy, and who's just got us our record PL points tally, had us in the european spots for most of the season and who has brought on a lot of players, built up a credible reputation for the club and has us playing good football, whilst also sticking with us through overtures from Saudi AND getting us to multiple QFs and more wins against top opposition that I think we've had under any managers.
And you wanted to give him a black and white ultimatum. You wanted to force him into doing something - which is arguably the most wreckless and disrespectful thing you can do.
Marco's not someone who's got no self esteem and will just buckle because it suits his agenda - he's a PL manager who's worked his way up and done an incredible job to get to the top of his field.
Would you like to be forced into a decision given everything he's done if you were him?
It's incredibly disrespectful and simply not how you treat someone who's done so well for you.
Yeah fair enough mate. To be fair reading my post back read that way so poor form and not really what I meant at all. Im his biggest fan and want him to stay for as long as possible. Just a reaction really to being gutted knowing that if this Juve thing is real we're prob stuffed and really just a simple response to preceding posts.
Did come across as very black and white and if I was in charge of the club I would never be threatening him, especially after all he has done. ::smile::
If the Juve thing is real I would however be sitting down with him and saying look Marco you've been absolutely amazing for us and we are desperate for you to stay and we will back you with everything we have but we need to know in the next few weeks if you do want to take the Juve offer. I think that is completely fair enough and I think he would too.
If he wanted to stay or Juve don't actually want him I also think it's perfectly reasonable if he wants the club to spend to the FFP limits on players that he wants to meet the ambitious plan that he has laid out to also say that we will absolutely do that but we do also want a commitment in return of an extended contract. It's not a one way street. He would of course be rewarded with increased pay and longer in the prem where he wants to be so it's not like he's not getting anything out of it. As I say I was actually questioning the ultimatum as my point was not like we're then going to sack him. If he doesn't want to sign one the club then however has to assess whether they want to back him to the hilt and chuck everything at it this summer if they think he is definitely going to leave next summer because he won't commit. I think there is definitely at least a question of whether or not it is wise to do that and I think it's perfectly reasonable if the club feel that isn't the best option.
For what it's worth if Juve don't go for him I wouldn't be surprised if he did extend. Said on here before I don't think he leaves us unless offered a top 6 prem job or something like Juve that will get him to that. If then that is not on the table then I reckon he stays beyond next summer so can't see why he'd have an issue extending.
No worries - We all have our moments and It's nothing personal - just football and a forum after all. Hope you don't feel it was too personal. Just important to acknowledge the dynamics and create a healthy space for all and the club to succeed. Hope you're having a good weekend!
All good ta mate. ::smile::
Yeah just concerning this one and a badly worded reaction so apologies to you and Marco! Thought the Saudi panic was stupid as he'd already frigging turned it down. This one however. ::cry::
You too mate. Time to have a beer and try and forget Juve exist. ::smile:: ::beer::
Let's throw Inter into the mix.
https://twitter.com/GraemeBailey/status/1929144720111878651
Quote from: Chi_FFC on June 01, 2025, 01:17:37 PMLet's throw Inter into the mix.
https://twitter.com/GraemeBailey/status/1929144720111878651
Pure speculation from the worst journalist in the game. He's been stealing a living through clickbait for years.
Yeah the Juve links have been going on for a while now and from better sources. Reckon he's just chucking this in the mix for some hits.
Quote from: hopper on June 01, 2025, 01:18:44 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on June 01, 2025, 01:17:37 PMLet's throw Inter into the mix.
https://twitter.com/GraemeBailey/status/1929144720111878651
Pure speculation from the worst journalist in the game. He's been stealing a living through clickbait for years.
Oh, I know.
I get the feeling he wants to leave otherwise he wouldn't wait until the last season to sign a new deal.
My take is this,Marco Silva picks up his phone every day and uses social media as much as any of us,so he is absolutely aware of all this Italian speculation,
Now I'm not saying that he has to respond to every single piece of speculation BUT there is so much about at the moment that if his heart was 💯% into leading Fulham Football Club next season then he could release something positive this afternoon that takes away all the doubt and confusion,
This is season ticket renewal week and I would imagine that behind the scenes the club are fuming in what is such an important week.
Didn't Inter appoint a new manager on Friday?
Quote from: Chi_FFC on June 01, 2025, 01:37:48 PMQuote from: hopper on June 01, 2025, 01:18:44 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on June 01, 2025, 01:17:37 PMLet's throw Inter into the mix.
https://twitter.com/GraemeBailey/status/1929144720111878651
Pure speculation from the worst journalist in the game. He's been stealing a living through clickbait for years.
Oh, I know.
Also being reported here now
https://www.footmercato.net/a7743689205133461377-tottenham-sest-entretenu-avec-thomas-frank-pour-lapres-postecoglou#google_vignette
Fun start to the summer this
Just because people have short memories: This was an article posted on May 8th 2025 on Sky Sports News
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13363714/marco-silva-fulham-head-coach-happy-at-premier-league-club-amid-al-hilal-interest
Quote from: General on June 01, 2025, 03:57:40 PMJust because people have short memories: This was an article posted on May 8th 2025 on Sky Sports News
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13363714/marco-silva-fulham-head-coach-happy-at-premier-league-club-amid-al-hilal-interest
Think there is no doubt he is happy here mate. He's made that clear. Also said he hadn't discussed extending his contract a few weeks ago as not the time with the season ongoing and with Tete/Cairney bigger priorities but the suggestion seemed to be that they would discuss it when the season was over.
Inter/Juve is however a different prospect to Al-Hilal. Despite making it clear he's happy here he's also always made it clear that he wants to manage at the top of the prem and he could see champions league sides in Italy as an avenue to that. If offered you would think he'd be mad to turn it down. A few rumours however today that the Khans think he will extend as a pretty big war chest for us this summer. Sounds like he likes the control he has here as well which he won't get at most big clubs. Perhaps he's on still sees Fulham as a better path to top 6 management?
Who knows how valid these rumours are however anyway. They are supposedly from some pretty reputable sources in Italy but the more I think about it the more I think it makes no sense. Looks like it would be hugely unpopular with their fans from the bits I've read. New director comes in and makes a managerial appointment that none of the fans want...huge gamble on his part. Perhaps he's on the list hence the rumours but surely clubs of that stature go for someone bigger than a mid table prem manager who we all think is brilliant but who in their fans eyes hasn't really achieved anything of note yet. Here's praying.
Quote from: C Block on June 01, 2025, 01:56:57 PMMy take is this,Marco Silva picks up his phone every day and uses social media as much as any of us,so he is absolutely aware of all this Italian speculation,
Now I'm not saying that he has to respond to every single piece of speculation BUT there is so much about at the moment that if his heart was 💯% into leading Fulham Football Club next season then he could release something positive this afternoon that takes away all the doubt and confusion,
This is season ticket renewal week and I would imagine that behind the scenes the club are fuming in what is such an important week.
Do you think having another 2 years of contract would make any difference if Silva wanted to go? Only difference is that we'd get a bigger compensation.
Quote from: Drewry66 on June 01, 2025, 04:16:17 PMQuote from: General on June 01, 2025, 03:57:40 PMJust because people have short memories: This was an article posted on May 8th 2025 on Sky Sports News
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13363714/marco-silva-fulham-head-coach-happy-at-premier-league-club-amid-al-hilal-interest
Think there is no doubt he is happy here mate. He's made that clear. Also said he hadn't discussed extending his contract a few weeks ago as not the time with the season ongoing and with Tete/Cairney bigger priorities but the suggestion seemed to be that they would discuss it when the season was over.
Inter/Juve is however a different prospect to Al-Hilal. Despite making it clear he's happy here he's also always made it clear that he wants to manage at the top of the prem and he could see champions league sides in Italy as an avenue to that. If offered you would think he'd be mad to turn it down. A few rumours however today that the Khans think he will extend as a pretty big war chest for us this summer. Sounds like he likes the control he has here as well which he won't get at most big clubs. Perhaps he's on still sees Fulham as a better path to top 6 management?
Who knows how valid these rumours are however anyway. They are supposedly from some pretty reputable sources in Italy but the more I think about it the more I think it makes no sense. Looks like it would be hugely unpopular with their fans from the bits I've read. New director comes in and makes a managerial appointment that none of the fans want...huge gamble on his part. Perhaps he's on the list hence the rumours but surely clubs of that stature go for someone bigger than a mid table prem manager who we all think is brilliant but who in their fans eyes hasn't really achieved anything of note yet. Here's praying.
Agree with this and there are pretty much no players or coaches that would openly state that they arent happy at the club. Its standard procedure when speaking to the media to say that you are happy and focused.
And im not saying Marco isnt happy, in just saying that basing anything on such a flat statement isnt a very good idea.
I dont see how this would even be a discussion. If Juve are in for him, then surely he wouldnt think twice and not should he. He deserves to go to a bigger club.
And frankly, given his past I thought he would have left sooner
Quote from: Deeping_white on May 31, 2025, 06:27:05 PMQuote from: Deuce on May 31, 2025, 06:08:36 PMIve been preparing for this for at least the past two summers. Marcos work is obviously not going unnoticed and if its not Juve this time then surely its someone else. Another season with Marco is a bonus
Ive read somewhere that Vitor Pereira is/would be considered as a replacement. Wouldnt be against that at all and it would be a nice touch to keep our Lusophone vibe
Vitor Pereira isn't a great idea because he plays with a system that we don't really have a squad for in a 3-4-3 or a 3-4-2-1; we'd need to spend more money on defenders who are comfortable in his back 3 system and it would render Robbo less effective from LWB. Our squad is so geared to a 4-3-3 oriented system that we either pick a replacement who can pick up this squad and take it forward with some additions, or we pick a manager who uses a different system and give them shed loads of money to rebuild the squad, which realistically takes two seasons given the first year will be an unknown with new players and new system
Good point. On the other hand, I dont see shaping our squad so that we can switch between a back 3 and a back 4 to be a bad thing. I think having that tactical flexibility would only be a strength. Brentford (ah, our loadstar that we all love to reference) among others usually switch between different tactical systems. And im not proposing us to go full 352 and revamp the squad, but simply making slight adjustment in terms of 2-3 signings could still make playing with a back 3 possible without us throwing out the good ole 433 completely.
Perhaps he is trying to put us on the spot if we can't get to sign a n extension we let him go cheaply so silva and mendis take a slice of the spoils the problem with a coach and not a manager they plan for the future can't believe the rumours of the player in turkey who silva wants 33 years old offering up to 10mil euros can't be true then their is his wages honestly you couldn't make it up.
Quote from: Deuce on June 01, 2025, 06:59:58 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on May 31, 2025, 06:27:05 PMQuote from: Deuce on May 31, 2025, 06:08:36 PMIve been preparing for this for at least the past two summers. Marcos work is obviously not going unnoticed and if its not Juve this time then surely its someone else. Another season with Marco is a bonus
Ive read somewhere that Vitor Pereira is/would be considered as a replacement. Wouldnt be against that at all and it would be a nice touch to keep our Lusophone vibe
Vitor Pereira isn't a great idea because he plays with a system that we don't really have a squad for in a 3-4-3 or a 3-4-2-1; we'd need to spend more money on defenders who are comfortable in his back 3 system and it would render Robbo less effective from LWB. Our squad is so geared to a 4-3-3 oriented system that we either pick a replacement who can pick up this squad and take it forward with some additions, or we pick a manager who uses a different system and give them shed loads of money to rebuild the squad, which realistically takes two seasons given the first year will be an unknown with new players and new system
Good point. On the other hand, I dont see shaping our squad so that we can switch between a back 3 and a back 4 to be a bad thing. I think having that tactical flexibility would only be a strength. Brentford (ah, our loadstar that we all love to reference) among others usually switch between different tactical systems. And im not proposing us to go full 352 and revamp the squad, but simply making slight adjustment in terms of 2-3 signings could still make playing with a back 3 possible without us throwing out the good ole 433 completely.
Also our 433 is probably the most defensive 433 in the league
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1929264051554505001
i understand people using his ' im happy here and ill be at fulham ' quote but as someone else said, Juventus is a completely different animal. If they do make an official move and he turns them down then i would be over the moon, however, if im a manager for club whos good but not an official top ten club then Juve come, well, i having the conversation with them :cheesy:
For all Silva has done for Fulham, personally, I don't see him as a "top 6"/ big club manager. If we had put to bed the teams below us we struggled to break down and qualified for Europe then maybe a bigger club would come for him but I don't think he is a big enough name or achieved enough for Juve or even Spurs for that matter.
Marco Silva is much better than most of the current Italian managers from my observations, but he has shown loyalty to Fulham before and hopefully we can keep him here (with a pay rise for incentive).
I find it quite surprising that all these big clubs all want silva. No doubt he has done a great job for us but is he really a standout ahead of the guys at Brighton , palace , Bournemouth and Brentford ? If you were the top guy at Juve would you really be thinking , right, get the guy who finished 11th ?