Very sad to see clubs in this position.
As usual, it's the supporters who suffer.
Unfortunately, I believe it will continue.
Is it time to adapt/switch to the German model
Where supporters own 51% & billionaire oligarchs
can own no more than 49%?
What was heart warming was when the Wednesday fans were leaving at the end of the game at Leicester on Saturday,the whole Leicester crowd were all on their feet applauding the Wednesday fans..Great to see the football family care,even if it's not their club.
Quote from: Zoppa77 on August 13, 2025, 10:38:10 AMVery sad to see clubs in this position.
As usual, it's the supporters who suffer.
Unfortunately, I believe it will continue.
Is it time to adapt/switch to the German model
Where supporters own 51% & billionaire oligarchs
can own no more than 49%?
Forgive my ignorance with this model but why should the person with the money to buy the club have a minority stake? Or are the fans expected to buy players for many millions of euros?
Quote from: cookieg on August 13, 2025, 11:19:31 AMQuote from: Zoppa77 on August 13, 2025, 10:38:10 AMVery sad to see clubs in this position.
As usual, it's the supporters who suffer.
Unfortunately, I believe it will continue.
Is it time to adapt/switch to the German model
Where supporters own 51% & billionaire oligarchs
can own no more than 49%?
Forgive my ignorance with this model but why should the person with the money to buy the club have a minority stake? Or are the fans expected to buy players for many millions of euros?
Surely you mean millions of pounds £.
Quote from: cookieg on August 13, 2025, 11:19:31 AMQuote from: Zoppa77 on August 13, 2025, 10:38:10 AMVery sad to see clubs in this position.
As usual, it's the supporters who suffer.
Unfortunately, I believe it will continue.
Is it time to adapt/switch to the German model
Where supporters own 51% & billionaire oligarchs
can own no more than 49%?
Forgive my ignorance with this model but why should the person with the money to buy the club have a minority stake? Or are the fans expected to buy players for many millions of euros?
I think you're missing the point in football clubs these days.
Chairman's are not allowed to throw their own money into clubs.
Clubs spend the money that the club earns.
Currently the prem does not allow chairman's to insert much of their own money.
So chairman's do not spend money on players. The club does.
Quote from: Willham on August 13, 2025, 12:17:11 PMQuote from: cookieg on August 13, 2025, 11:19:31 AMQuote from: Zoppa77 on August 13, 2025, 10:38:10 AMVery sad to see clubs in this position.
As usual, it's the supporters who suffer.
Unfortunately, I believe it will continue.
Is it time to adapt/switch to the German model
Where supporters own 51% & billionaire oligarchs
can own no more than 49%?
Forgive my ignorance with this model but why should the person with the money to buy the club have a minority stake? Or are the fans expected to buy players for many millions of euros?
I think you're missing the point in football clubs these days.
Chairman's are not allowed to throw their own money into clubs.
Clubs spend the money that the club earns.
Currently the prem does not allow chairman's to insert much of their own money.
So chairman's do not spend money on players. The club does.
I can see you point there, and you're correct, though what happens if the club, for example, needs to build a new stand? With someone like an owner who has collateral it's far easier to raise such funds by way of loans, without having to rely on the club itself.
Quote from: Logicalman on August 13, 2025, 12:36:28 PMQuote from: Willham on August 13, 2025, 12:17:11 PMQuote from: cookieg on August 13, 2025, 11:19:31 AMQuote from: Zoppa77 on August 13, 2025, 10:38:10 AMVery sad to see clubs in this position.
As usual, it's the supporters who suffer.
Unfortunately, I believe it will continue.
Is it time to adapt/switch to the German model
Where supporters own 51% & billionaire oligarchs
can own no more than 49%?
Forgive my ignorance with this model but why should the person with the money to buy the club have a minority stake? Or are the fans expected to buy players for many millions of euros?
I think you're missing the point in football clubs these days.
Chairman's are not allowed to throw their own money into clubs.
Clubs spend the money that the club earns.
Currently the prem does not allow chairman's to insert much of their own money.
So chairman's do not spend money on players. The club does.
I can see you point there, and you're correct, though what happens if the club, for example, needs to build a new stand? With someone like an owner who has collateral it's far easier to raise such funds by way of loans, without having to rely on the club itself.
Might be worth you researching the German league, highly successful there.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 13, 2025, 11:25:44 AMQuote from: cookieg on August 13, 2025, 11:19:31 AMQuote from: Zoppa77 on August 13, 2025, 10:38:10 AMVery sad to see clubs in this position.
As usual, it's the supporters who suffer.
Unfortunately, I believe it will continue.
Is it time to adapt/switch to the German model
Where supporters own 51% & billionaire oligarchs
can own no more than 49%?
Forgive my ignorance with this model but why should the person with the money to buy the club have a minority stake? Or are the fans expected to buy players for many millions of euros?
Surely you mean millions of pounds £.
The clubs mentioned are in Germany hence Euros.
Quote from: Willham on August 13, 2025, 12:17:11 PMQuote from: cookieg on August 13, 2025, 11:19:31 AMQuote from: Zoppa77 on August 13, 2025, 10:38:10 AMVery sad to see clubs in this position.
As usual, it's the supporters who suffer.
Unfortunately, I believe it will continue.
Is it time to adapt/switch to the German model
Where supporters own 51% & billionaire oligarchs
can own no more than 49%?
Forgive my ignorance with this model but why should the person with the money to buy the club have a minority stake? Or are the fans expected to buy players for many millions of euros?
I think you're missing the point in football clubs these days.
Chairman's are not allowed to throw their own money into clubs.
Clubs spend the money that the club earns.
Currently the prem does not allow chairman's to insert much of their own money.
So chairman's do not spend money on players. The club does.
Well clearly it's in the interest of the owner to spend a ton of money on new stands etc to generate income for the club.
It's always the fans/supporters & employee's that suffer.....
Quote from: Coastwalker on August 13, 2025, 11:02:46 AMWhat was heart warming was when the Wednesday fans were leaving at the end of the game at Leicester on Saturday,the whole Leicester crowd were all on their feet applauding the Wednesday fans..Great to see the football family care,even if it's not their club.
Yep, they did the same when the Wednesday supporters entered the stadium after their 5 min protest outside. Great to see.
Quote from: cookieg on August 13, 2025, 05:25:44 PMQuote from: Willham on August 13, 2025, 12:17:11 PMQuote from: cookieg on August 13, 2025, 11:19:31 AMQuote from: Zoppa77 on August 13, 2025, 10:38:10 AMVery sad to see clubs in this position.
As usual, it's the supporters who suffer.
Unfortunately, I believe it will continue.
Is it time to adapt/switch to the German model
Where supporters own 51% & billionaire oligarchs
can own no more than 49%?
Forgive my ignorance with this model but why should the person with the money to buy the club have a minority stake? Or are the fans expected to buy players for many millions of euros?
I think you're missing the point in football clubs these days.
Chairman's are not allowed to throw their own money into clubs.
Clubs spend the money that the club earns.
Currently the prem does not allow chairman's to insert much of their own money.
So chairman's do not spend money on players. The club does.
Well clearly it's in the interest of the owner to spend a ton of money on new stands etc to generate income for the club.
Quote from: cookieg on August 13, 2025, 05:25:44 PMQuote from: Willham on August 13, 2025, 12:17:11 PMQuote from: cookieg on August 13, 2025, 11:19:31 AMQuote from: Zoppa77 on August 13, 2025, 10:38:10 AMVery sad to see clubs in this position.
As usual, it's the supporters who suffer.
Unfortunately, I believe it will continue.
Is it time to adapt/switch to the German model
Where supporters own 51% & billionaire oligarchs
can own no more than 49%?
Forgive my ignorance with this model but why should the person with the money to buy the club have a minority stake? Or are the fans expected to buy players for many millions of euros?
I think you're missing the point in football clubs these days.
Chairman's are not allowed to throw their own money into clubs.
Clubs spend the money that the club earns.
Currently the prem does not allow chairman's to insert much of their own money.
So chairman's do not spend money on players. The club does.
Well clearly it's in the interest of the owner to spend a ton of money on new stands etc to generate income for the club.
[/quoteQuote from: cookieg on August 13, 2025, 05:25:44 PMQuote from: Willham on August 13, 2025, 12:17:11 PMQuote from: cookieg on August 13, 2025, 11:19:31 AMQuote from: Zoppa77 on August 13, 2025, 10:38:10 AMVery sad to see clubs in this position.
As usual, it's the supporters who suffer.
Unfortunately, I believe it will continue.
Is it time to adapt/switch to the German model
Where supporters own 51% & billionaire oligarchs
can own no more than 49%?
Forgive my ignorance with this model but why should the person with the money to buy the club have a minority stake? Or are the fans expected to buy players for many millions of euros?
I think you're missing the point in football clubs these days.
Chairman's are not allowed to throw their own money into clubs.
Clubs spend the money that the club earns.
Currently the prem does not allow chairman's to insert much of their own money.
So chairman's do not spend money on players. The club does.
Well clearly it's in the interest of the owner to spend a ton of money on new stands etc to generate income for the club.
Someone else mentioned the same,
And while, yes, sometimes it is the chairman who gives the money for the stadium, in the form of loans.
Which even if the chairman leaves the club, the loan still exists and they will get their money back. So even in this sense it's the club that pays.
Also, if a chairman with 49% has given that loan, it's still in their interest for the club to grow.