Poll
Question:
Who was your FoF MOTM and why?
Option 1: Lecomte. P🧤🧤🧤
votes: 108
Option 2: Castagne 🔁 70'
votes: 0
Option 3: Diop P⚽️
votes: 9
Option 4: Cuenca 🔁 46'
votes: 0
Option 5: Bassey
votes: 0
Option 6: Reed 🔁 71'
votes: 2
Option 7: Cairney 🔁 65'
votes: 3
Option 8: Traore P⚽️
votes: 3
Option 9: Kevin P⚽️
votes: 7
Option 10: King ⚽️ 48' 🟨 59' P⚽️
votes: 60
Option 11: Jimenez 🔁 74'
votes: 0
Option 12: Sessegnon 🔁 46' P❌
votes: 5
Option 13: Iwobi 🔁 65' P⚽️
votes: 1
Option 14: Lukic 🔁 71' P⚽️
votes: 1
Option 15: Jonah Kusi-Asare 🔁 74' P❌
votes: 3
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I found this game to be a bit irritating. I really thought Fulham would have controlled the flow of play better but for all of Fulham's possession, it never really felt like they dominated. It was good to see Kevin and King get the start. Both looked really good to me, and obviously, a great goal from King.
I felt sad for Reed as I did not think he had a good game, and I really wanted to see the Reed of old, who could prove that he is still a PL player. I also felt bad for Cuenca, who had come off to make way for Sess. Cuenca has done nothing wrong in my eyes and should probably be started alongside Diop while Andersen is out.
So, who was your FoF MOTM in this EFL Carabao Cup?
You have to hand it to Diop. He really can take a good penalty ::scarf::
Awful performance, have to question the manager on tactics at this point because it's starting to look like the definition of insanity of the slow pace we're playing at. Lecomte MoTM no questions just for the saves in the shootout.
Why was JKA just strutting around when it was his pen only for him to have it saved. Maybe he's not really that good.
Well in the end you have more questions than answers. I have tried to defend the coach and despite my criticisms of tactics have always tried to be positive. But we were one dimensional and the new players looked very ordinary as if they really didn't want to be there.
Leconte saved us and despite our trying to throw the advantage away each time. Diop saves the day. But it wasn't entertaining or pretty. I am drifting towards the panic bus.
Leconte was MOM only because he saved the penalties.
Lecomte for the penalty saves and Diop, Adama, Kevin and King who were pretty good too are candidates imo.
Btw, you're missing a penalty scored emoji next to Lukic's name.
Our goalie easy pick,or we wouldn't be in quarter finals.
JKA has a worse work rate than Berbatov but far less skilful and far more moping. What is this guy's problem? If Raul is yet again injured we're in deep doodoo
Quote from: demeant0r on October 28, 2025, 09:57:21 PMWhy was JKA just strutting around when it was his pen only for him to have it saved. Maybe he's not really that good.
Messi misses pens, Ronaldo too, even Matt Le Tiss missed one!
Can't judge any player on one kick of a ball surely
At least we now know why Marco hasn't played JKA. He contributed absolutely nothing. We might as well played with 10 men. The penalty was the worst since Lookman. If what he showed today is even remotely close to his actual level it seems like an utterly pointless loan. If he had at least tried, but he looked lazy and totally uninterested.
Lecomte was my MOTM, for obvious reasons.
Lecomte for the penalty saves, getting us out of the mire.
Also the graphic is wrong, Lukic scored a pen, and King never took one.
Quote from: Coastwalker on October 28, 2025, 10:00:22 PMOur goalie easy pick,or we wouldn't be in quarter finals.
Tbf, if he had saved a shot he should have we wouldn't have needed penalties in the first place.
Raul's performance, and JKA shows how light we are in the forward line.
::scarf::
Lecomte 3 superb saves...
We got away with one there...
COYW
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on October 28, 2025, 10:04:04 PMAt least we now know why Marco hasn't played JKA. He contributed absolutely nothing. We might as well played with 10 men. The penalty was the worst since Lookman. If what he showed today is even remotely close to his actual level it seems like an utterly pointless loan. If he had at least tried, but he looked lazy and totally uninterested.
Lecomte was my MOTM, for obvious reasons.
Don't think Marco wanted him signed,that's why he hasn't played.
Poor performance. Couldn't beat a League 1 side over 96 minutes.
Were in trouble this year. Definite relegation candidates. Keeper MOM.
Another vote for the keeper & we avoided another Crawley embarrassment.
Where has all this JKA hate suddenly come from..
He missed one pen. Chill out. He got in some good positions in the box. He didn't look lazy to me
Quote from: Coastwalker on October 28, 2025, 10:06:08 PMQuote from: S.F.Sorrow on October 28, 2025, 10:04:04 PMAt least we now know why Marco hasn't played JKA. He contributed absolutely nothing. We might as well played with 10 men. The penalty was the worst since Lookman. If what he showed today is even remotely close to his actual level it seems like an utterly pointless loan. If he had at least tried, but he looked lazy and totally uninterested.
Lecomte was my MOTM, for obvious reasons.
Don't think Marco wanted him signed,that's why he hasn't played.
Well, after what I saw today I can totally understand why Marco didn't want him signed, if that's even the case and not just speculation on your part.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on October 28, 2025, 10:05:21 PMQuote from: Coastwalker on October 28, 2025, 10:00:22 PMOur goalie easy pick,or we wouldn't be in quarter finals.
Tbf, if he had saved a shot he should have we wouldn't have needed penalties in the first place.
You slag of a guy who got us through,you still slagging off Benda at Millwall.🤣
Quote from: Rambler on October 28, 2025, 10:06:44 PMWhere has all this JKA hate suddenly come from..
He missed one pen. Chill out. He got in some good positions in the box. He didn't look lazy to me
Carthorse..League 2 player :slap:
Quote from: Rambler on October 28, 2025, 10:06:44 PMWhere has all this JKA hate suddenly come from..
He missed one pen. Chill out. He got in some good positions in the box. He didn't look lazy to me
Bizarre trigger happy jumping on the lad. We were far better when he was on the pitch towards the end. Wasn't the best performance, but more happened with him up top than raul. the movement and ideas were there in and around the box but didn't quite come off.
Not sure why people are so quick to pile on a lad after 15minutes of football 😅 this board.
Quote from: jayffc on October 28, 2025, 10:11:19 PMQuote from: Rambler on October 28, 2025, 10:06:44 PMWhere has all this JKA hate suddenly come from..
He missed one pen. Chill out. He got in some good positions in the box. He didn't look lazy to me
Bizarre trigger happy jumping on the lad. We were far better when he was on the pitch towards the end. Wasn't the best performance, but more happened with him up top than raul. the movement and ideas were there in and around the box but didn't quite come off.
Not sure why people are so quick to pile on a lad after 15minutes of football 😅 this board.
He couldn't tie Rauls boots.
King was my MOTM but full praise to Lecompte for the Penalty saves. ::wine::
We need Chukweze back ASAP
I think it's way too early to pass final judgement, but I think today showed why Marco was saying he wasn't ready. There was a moment when Lukic or King passed him the ball and he had a pretty heavy first touch and then he was too slow to react and he lost the ball. Raul in that situation gets his shot off, similarly he was a bit late for an excellent Adama cross that could have been a goal too. His penalty obviously wasn't great. What I saw is a player that has potential, but also a player that I wouldn't be comfortable with, at the moment at least, if he played significant minutes in a PL game. It seems to me like he still needs time to adapt.
I blame Leno...he just sat there for 96 minutes, and even for the penalties he didn't bother to get up...
Quote from: Coastwalker on October 28, 2025, 10:14:01 PMQuote from: jayffc on October 28, 2025, 10:11:19 PMQuote from: Rambler on October 28, 2025, 10:06:44 PMWhere has all this JKA hate suddenly come from..
He missed one pen. Chill out. He got in some good positions in the box. He didn't look lazy to me
Bizarre trigger happy jumping on the lad. We were far better when he was on the pitch towards the end. Wasn't the best performance, but more happened with him up top than raul. the movement and ideas were there in and around the box but didn't quite come off.
Not sure why people are so quick to pile on a lad after 15minutes of football 😅 this board.
He couldn't tie Rauls boots.
Eh?? I would t expect him to really , He's an 18 yr old kid whos played 15minutes of football for us? F me, Some people, why do you feel this sort of comment is necessary? Super harsh on the kid. We created far more when he was on the pitch at least.
raul did exactly nothing but one alright header in 75mins btw.
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on October 28, 2025, 10:16:11 PMI blame Leno...he just sat there for 96 minutes, and even for the penalties he didn't bother to get up...
One of his best games forna while :slap:
Quote from: jayffc on October 28, 2025, 10:16:32 PMQuote from: Coastwalker on October 28, 2025, 10:14:01 PMQuote from: jayffc on October 28, 2025, 10:11:19 PMQuote from: Rambler on October 28, 2025, 10:06:44 PMWhere has all this JKA hate suddenly come from..
He missed one pen. Chill out. He got in some good positions in the box. He didn't look lazy to me
Bizarre trigger happy jumping on the lad. We were far better when he was on the pitch towards the end. Wasn't the best performance, but more happened with him up top than raul. the movement and ideas were there in and around the box but didn't quite come off.
Not sure why people are so quick to pile on a lad after 15minutes of football 😅 this board.
He couldn't tie Rauls boots.
Eh?? I would t expect him to really , He's an 18 yr old kid whos played 15minutes of football for us? F me, Some people, why do you feel this sort of comment is necessary? Super harsh on the kid. We created far more when he was on the pitch at least.
raul did exactly nothing but one alright header in 75mins btw.
Might have helped of we look for him
Cauley Woodrow my MOM. Had we lost there's no-one who deserved to have beaten us more. He was treated abominably IMO being discarded far too quickly and replaced by awful mistakes like Kamara. Good to see CW still putting in a shift.
Quote from: jayffc on October 28, 2025, 10:11:19 PMQuote from: Rambler on October 28, 2025, 10:06:44 PMWhere has all this JKA hate suddenly come from..
He missed one pen. Chill out. He got in some good positions in the box. He didn't look lazy to me
Bizarre trigger happy jumping on the lad. We were far better when he was on the pitch towards the end. Wasn't the best performance, but more happened with him up top than raul. the movement and ideas were there in and around the box but didn't quite come off.
Not sure why people are so quick to pile on a lad after 15minutes of football 😅 this board.
What I saw was a player who didn't want to be here which makes sense because I've yet to see him crack a smile. Not even in his announcement post. I don't think I've ever seen a Fulham player not smile. If he didn't want to be here, he should've not agreed to move.
Quote from: jayffc on October 28, 2025, 10:16:32 PMQuote from: Coastwalker on October 28, 2025, 10:14:01 PMQuote from: jayffc on October 28, 2025, 10:11:19 PMQuote from: Rambler on October 28, 2025, 10:06:44 PMWhere has all this JKA hate suddenly come from..
He missed one pen. Chill out. He got in some good positions in the box. He didn't look lazy to me
Bizarre trigger happy jumping on the lad. We were far better when he was on the pitch towards the end. Wasn't the best performance, but more happened with him up top than raul. the movement and ideas were there in and around the box but didn't quite come off.
Not sure why people are so quick to pile on a lad after 15minutes of football 😅 this board.
He couldn't tie Rauls boots.
Eh?? I would t expect him to really , He's an 18 yr old kid whos played 15minutes of football for us? F me, Some people, why do you feel this sort of comment is necessary? Super harsh on the kid. We created far more when he was on the pitch at least.
raul did exactly nothing but one alright header in 75mins btw.
Raul carrying a bit of injury at moment,giving him a run out before Saturday.
Well we didnt lose thanks to our keeper, onwards and upwards.
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 28, 2025, 09:59:05 PMLecomte for the penalty saves and Diop, Adama, Kevin and King were pretty good too are candidates imo.
Btw, you're missing a penalty scored emoji next to Lukic's name.
Been agreeing with you a lot recently but thought Adama was shocking tonight. Reed and Cairney also.
More injuries? Think both Raul and Reed got knocks tonight, just hope Raul is fit for Saturday.
https://x.com/jackellyffc/status/1983299586811936993
Quote from: jayffc on October 28, 2025, 10:16:32 PMQuote from: Coastwalker on October 28, 2025, 10:14:01 PMQuote from: jayffc on October 28, 2025, 10:11:19 PMQuote from: Rambler on October 28, 2025, 10:06:44 PMWhere has all this JKA hate suddenly come from..
He missed one pen. Chill out. He got in some good positions in the box. He didn't look lazy to me
Bizarre trigger happy jumping on the lad. We were far better when he was on the pitch towards the end. Wasn't the best performance, but more happened with him up top than raul. the movement and ideas were there in and around the box but didn't quite come off.
Not sure why people are so quick to pile on a lad after 15minutes of football 😅 this board.
He couldn't tie Rauls boots.
Eh?? I would t expect him to really , He's an 18 yr old kid whos played 15minutes of football for us? F me, Some people, why do you feel this sort of comment is necessary? Super harsh on the kid. We created far more when he was on the pitch at least.
raul did exactly nothing but one alright header in 75mins btw.
You need to stop taking folks comments so seriously.😅
Quote from: ffcthereligion on October 28, 2025, 10:26:39 PMBeen agreeing with you a lot recently but thought Adama was shocking tonight. Reed and Cairney also.
I think he created pretty much all of our open play chances. Had 2 or 3 poor moments for sure, but still, by far our most dangerous player and he took his penalty really well too.
As for Reed and Cairney, I agree. TC had two decent efforts, but was otherwise pretty poor. Reed was very poor, particularly in the first half and the opening 5 or so minutes of the second half.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on October 28, 2025, 10:29:36 PMhttps://x.com/jackellyffc/status/1983299586811936993
Just what we need :slap: :slap: :slap:
I really hope Muniz is back soon regardless. We miss him desperately, perhaps more than any other injured player.
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 28, 2025, 10:32:16 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on October 28, 2025, 10:29:36 PMhttps://x.com/jackellyffc/status/1983299586811936993
Just what we need :slap: :slap: :slap:
I really hope Muniz is back soon regardless. We miss him desperately, perhaps more than any other injured player.
He took a knock at a corner in the first half but carried on. Hope it's just precautionary and that Muniz will be fit for after the November break.
On a positive note, we've had a series of very poor results, we have are still in a big injury crisis and we made 7 changes and we went through. It wasn't pretty but we got the job done and are two opponents away from a cup final. I'd happily take a penalty shoot out win against Cardiff or something in the next round. In cup games it's all about winning.
Just relieved we're through. Not the prettiest performance by any means but dug deep and Josh got his all important first goal.
Lecomte came in big and it's a huge relief for JKA and Sess.
Banana skin averted, but we deserved the win. Kevin was very bright again.
Any idea when the draw is
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 28, 2025, 10:30:00 PMQuote from: ffcthereligion on October 28, 2025, 10:26:39 PMBeen agreeing with you a lot recently but thought Adama was shocking tonight. Reed and Cairney also.
I think he created pretty much all of our open play chances. Had 2 or 3 poor moments for sure, but still, by far our most dangerous player
Adama? He had a couple decent crosses but our most dangerous player on the night was comfortably Kevin.
Quote from: ffcthereligion on October 28, 2025, 10:26:39 PMQuote from: SerbianLad on October 28, 2025, 09:59:05 PMLecomte for the penalty saves and Diop, Adama, Kevin and King were pretty good too are candidates imo.
Btw, you're missing a penalty scored emoji next to Lukic's name.
Been agreeing with you a lot recently but thought Adama was shocking tonight. Reed and Cairney also.
Absolutely agree with that statement. One decent cross from Adama in the first half was about it!
I noticed Kevin was all over Josh walking off the pitch after the whistle. Looks like they have a bond there.
Thought Sess livened up things when he came on.
To be fair we had a good few shots which their keeper saved and one off the line by a defender. Another day that could have been a 3-1 to us.
Rubbish first half with a big improvement in the second, particularly the first ten to fifteen minutes.
We won, we are in the Quarter finals, so onwards and upwards 😁
Quote from: Chi_FFC on October 28, 2025, 11:25:30 PMAdama? He had a couple decent crosses but our most dangerous player on the night was comfortably Kevin.
I disagree, but I do think Kevin was pretty good too, particularly in the second half. King another one who had a good game. If we had Muniz today or a rested Raul, I think we score quite a few goals today as our attacking play was quite decent.
Quote from: Kimbleman on October 28, 2025, 11:28:20 PMOne decent cross from Adama in the first half was about it!
What? He created 2-3 excellent chances in the second half, including the one that led to Kevin's shot that was cleared off the line. He was dubbled down in that situation too and managed to create space for himself to put in a cross.
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 28, 2025, 11:30:17 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on October 28, 2025, 11:25:30 PMAdama? He had a couple decent crosses but our most dangerous player on the night was comfortably Kevin.
I disagree
.52xG, .65xA, 5 chances created for Kevin. .07xG, .32xA, 1 chance created for Adama.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on October 28, 2025, 11:38:14 PM.52xG, .65xA, 5 chances created for Kevin. .07xG, .32xA, 1 chance created for Adama.
Okay so it's okay to use xG and xA assist when it makes someone else look good, but when I post Adama's xA stats that are always very good(even today, 0.32 xA is a solid number) people dismiss it.
I'm not sure where you've found those stats either, but in my opinion they are doing him a disservice. Watch the extended highlights when they release them and I'm sure they'll show that most of our best chances came from Adama's crosses.
I'd like to expand this thread also to include player ratings, as I'm curious how everyone is feeling about all the players involved tonight and not just the MOTM. With a zero being a training cone, a five obviously being mediocre, and a 10 being an absolute footballing God.
With that in mind, here are my player ratings. And please remember that this is just my opinion.
Lecomte 9 Overall, he did really well. Especially with the penalties.
Castagne 6 I really don't remember him doing a lot in the first half.
Diop 9 Had a really good game and a brilliant penalty
Cuenca 8 Thought he had a great game and deserves to start against Wolves
Bassey 7 He did ok. I think I would prefer to see him at LB with Sess in front of him.
Reed 5 I really wanted him to do well, but I thought it was just an average performance that wasn't up to PL standards. I feel bad saying that, but that is IMHO.
Cairney 7 Another player who did ok IMHO, but didn't create as much as I would have hoped to see from him.
Traore 7 He did what he always does. He got into some good positions, tried hard to beat his player and put pressure on the back line, and got in a few good crosses. Just not consistent for me, and should be more of an impact sub against a tired defense.
Kevin 8 I'm really liking what I see out of him. One of the only players who wasn't afraid to go 1v1 and take his opponent on.
King 8 Another player that is showing real promise and, more importantly, is not afraid to take chances. Kevin and King appeared to be our most effective creative players, and I look forward to seeing both of them play against Wolves.
Jimenez 7 He always tries hard, but he plays too deep for me. I know that part of the reason he does that is because he isn't getting the service. I will give credit where credit is due, and that is when it comes time to defend a corner/free kick, he is always in the thick of things.
Sess 8 I thought things looked a lot better when he came on. I'd like him at LW ahead of Bassey, since Sess supports both attack and defense for Bassey.
Lukic 7 I know he was brought on to help with shoring up the midfield and ensure that Fulham went to penalties, but something was missing from him IMHO tonight.
JKA 5 Early days, and hard to judge him as we haven't really seen enough of him to form a good opinion. He performed adequately, though it appeared he wasn't putting in much effort.
I'm probably being too generous for some of tonight's players.
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on October 28, 2025, 11:09:55 PMAny idea when the draw is
I believe its tomorrow after the remaining five games.
We won a game ::wine::
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 28, 2025, 11:45:55 PMI'm not sure where you've found those stats either
https://www.fotmob.com/matches/wycombe-vs-fulham/2ui1y9#4978151:tab=stats
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 28, 2025, 11:45:55 PMbut in my opinion they are doing him a disservice.
Stats certainly don't tell the whole story but I've been posting here for quite some time and I trust them a heck of a lot more than your opinion. Still gobsmacked that anyone who watched that match would not only say that Adama was our most dangerous player, but that he was our most dangerous player "by far". Yikes.
Quote from: ffcthereligion on October 28, 2025, 10:26:39 PMQuote from: SerbianLad on October 28, 2025, 09:59:05 PMLecomte for the penalty saves and Diop, Adama, Kevin and King were pretty good too are candidates imo.
Btw, you're missing a penalty scored emoji next to Lukic's name.
Been agreeing with you a lot recently but thought Adama was shocking tonight. Reed and Cairney also.
He's like the Curates Egg, good in parts. He does something good then slips over, passes to the other side and generally mopes about. Get rid in January if Nuno wants him.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on October 29, 2025, 01:13:52 AMQuote from: SerbianLad on October 28, 2025, 11:45:55 PMI'm not sure where you've found those stats either
https://www.fotmob.com/matches/wycombe-vs-fulham/2ui1y9#4978151:tab=stats
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 28, 2025, 11:45:55 PMbut in my opinion they are doing him a disservice.
Stats certainly don't tell the whole story but I've been posting here for quite some time and I trust them a heck of a lot more than your opinion. Still gobsmacked that anyone who watched that match would not only say that Adama was our most dangerous player, but that he was our most dangerous player "by far". Yikes.
Fair enough if you disagree. The yikes part is needless in my opinion, but each to their own. I've disagreed with you sometimes but I've never been as dismissive.
I still stand by what I said. In my opinion, Adama looked very dangerous every time he got the ball. I see he had 5 accurate crosses, but only one chance created, which is something that makes little sense to me as imo all of those accurate crosses were chances. Not sure what footmov defines as a chance. Still, you have a different opinion and that's okay.
Quote from: jayffc on October 28, 2025, 10:11:19 PMQuote from: Rambler on October 28, 2025, 10:06:44 PMWhere has all this JKA hate suddenly come from..
He missed one pen. Chill out. He got in some good positions in the box. He didn't look lazy to me
Bizarre trigger happy jumping on the lad. We were far better when he was on the pitch towards the end. Wasn't the best performance, but more happened with him up top than raul. the movement and ideas were there in and around the box but didn't quite come off.
Not sure why people are so quick to pile on a lad after 15minutes of football 😅 this board.
He's raw, but his talent in the air jumps right out. Certainly a project, similar to Muniz when he arrived.
He's a tall, gangly 18 yr old kid. Appears a bit aloof, but who knows what is going on inside his head for sure. Same as the rest of us at that age I'd imagine.
Very pleased we got through, that is the main thing. but made hard work of it. I have seen quicker walking football. Very little urgency overall, but Josh King was my MoM. Kevin looked sharper, and we are into the last 8. So I am relieved.
We are quite capable of going all the way but I am seriously worried the football being dished up will send me to sleep and I will miss any goals we may happen to score.
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 01:31:32 AMIn my opinion, Adama looked very dangerous every time he got the ball.
Very dangerous every time? I know you like to defend Adama from what you view are unfair attacks, and occasionally you have a point. But a comment like this is just as ridiculous and over the top as some of those unfair comments from his harshest critics. No question he had some nice moments today, but he also some not so nice (and not nearly as many nice ones as Kevin).
Adama had a good game wanted the ball tried to make things happen that cross at the end which lead to the ball being cleared off the line was a great chance created. However, it sums up his level really not P/L level is he.
Quote from: Coastwalker on October 28, 2025, 10:14:01 PMQuote from: jayffc on October 28, 2025, 10:11:19 PMQuote from: Rambler on October 28, 2025, 10:06:44 PMWhere has all this JKA hate suddenly come from..
He missed one pen. Chill out. He got in some good positions in the box. He didn't look lazy to me
Bizarre trigger happy jumping on the lad. We were far better when he was on the pitch towards the end. Wasn't the best performance, but more happened with him up top than raul. the movement and ideas were there in and around the box but didn't quite come off.
Not sure why people are so quick to pile on a lad after 15minutes of football 😅 this board.
He couldn't tie Rauls boots.
At his age, Raul should be able to tie his own boots.
Was Asare penalty a bigger crime than Diop turning his back on Woodrow's goal?
Quote from: love4ffc on October 29, 2025, 12:09:07 AMI'd like to expand this thread also to include player ratings, as I'm curious how everyone is feeling about all the players involved tonight and not just the MOTM. With a zero being a training cone, a five obviously being mediocre, and a 10 being an absolute footballing God.
With that in mind, here are my player ratings. And please remember that this is just my opinion.
Lecomte 9 Overall, he did really well. Especially with the penalties.
Castagne 6 I really don't remember him doing a lot in the first half.
Diop 9 Had a really good game and a brilliant penalty
Cuenca 8 Thought he had a great game and deserves to start against Wolves
Bassey 7 He did ok. I think I would prefer to see him at LB with Sess in front of him.
Reed 5 I really wanted him to do well, but I thought it was just an average performance that wasn't up to PL standards. I feel bad saying that, but that is IMHO.
Cairney 7 Another player who did ok IMHO, but didn't create as much as I would have hoped to see from him.
Traore 7 He did what he always does. He got into some good positions, tried hard to beat his player and put pressure on the back line, and got in a few good crosses. Just not consistent for me, and should be more of an impact sub against a tired defense.
Kevin 8 I'm really liking what I see out of him. One of the only players who wasn't afraid to go 1v1 and take his opponent on.
King 8 Another player that is showing real promise and, more importantly, is not afraid to take chances. Kevin and King appeared to be our most effective creative players, and I look forward to seeing both of them play against Wolves.
Jimenez 7 He always tries hard, but he plays too deep for me. I know that part of the reason he does that is because he isn't getting the service. I will give credit where credit is due, and that is when it comes time to defend a corner/free kick, he is always in the thick of things.
Sess 8 I thought things looked a lot better when he came on. I'd like him at LW ahead of Bassey, since Sess supports both attack and defense for Bassey.
Lukic 7 I know he was brought on to help with shoring up the midfield and ensure that Fulham went to penalties, but something was missing from him IMHO tonight.
JKA 5 Early days, and hard to judge him as we haven't really seen enough of him to form a good opinion. He performed adequately, though it appeared he wasn't putting in much effort.
I'm probably being too generous for some of tonight's players.
Far too generous in my opinion. We were a series of 4-6s
We didn't play well.
Quote from: love4ffc on October 29, 2025, 12:09:07 AMI'd like to expand this thread also to include player ratings, as I'm curious how everyone is feeling about all the players involved tonight and not just the MOTM. With a zero being a training cone, a five obviously being mediocre, and a 10 being an absolute footballing God.
With that in mind, here are my player ratings. And please remember that this is just my opinion.
Lecomte 9 Overall, he did really well. Especially with the penalties.
Castagne 6 I really don't remember him doing a lot in the first half.
Diop 9 Had a really good game and a brilliant penalty
Cuenca 8 Thought he had a great game and deserves to start against Wolves
Bassey 7 He did ok. I think I would prefer to see him at LB with Sess in front of him.
Reed 5 I really wanted him to do well, but I thought it was just an average performance that wasn't up to PL standards. I feel bad saying that, but that is IMHO.
Cairney 7 Another player who did ok IMHO, but didn't create as much as I would have hoped to see from him.
Traore 7 He did what he always does. He got into some good positions, tried hard to beat his player and put pressure on the back line, and got in a few good crosses. Just not consistent for me, and should be more of an impact sub against a tired defense.
Kevin 8 I'm really liking what I see out of him. One of the only players who wasn't afraid to go 1v1 and take his opponent on.
King 8 Another player that is showing real promise and, more importantly, is not afraid to take chances. Kevin and King appeared to be our most effective creative players, and I look forward to seeing both of them play against Wolves.
Jimenez 7 He always tries hard, but he plays too deep for me. I know that part of the reason he does that is because he isn't getting the service. I will give credit where credit is due, and that is when it comes time to defend a corner/free kick, he is always in the thick of things.
Sess 8 I thought things looked a lot better when he came on. I'd like him at LW ahead of Bassey, since Sess supports both attack and defense for Bassey.
Lukic 7 I know he was brought on to help with shoring up the midfield and ensure that Fulham went to penalties, but something was missing from him IMHO tonight.
JKA 5 Early days, and hard to judge him as we haven't really seen enough of him to form a good opinion. He performed adequately, though it appeared he wasn't putting in much effort.
I'm probably being too generous for some of tonight's players.
Christ almighty these are some generous numbers.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on October 29, 2025, 05:09:16 AMQuote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 01:31:32 AMIn my opinion, Adama looked very dangerous every time he got the ball.
Very dangerous every time? I know you like to defend Adama from what you view are unfair attacks, and occasionally you have a point. But a comment like this is just as ridiculous and over the top as some of those unfair comments from his harshest critics. No question he had some nice moments today, but he also some not so nice (and not nearly as many nice ones as Kevin).
Yes, he looked dangerous every time he was on the ball, in my opinion. Kevin's most dangerous moments were probably more dangerous than most Adama's dangerous moments, but the sheer quantity of Adama's dangerous moments meant that he was our most dangerous player, in my opinion. Kevin was one of our best players in both half, but I do feel like he didn't beat his man every time or as easily in the first half, while Adama did. I also don't think saying stuff like yikes or ridiculous for a player who had pretty good stats too(if that's how you want to measure players) considering he had 2nd highest xA and highest accurate crosses numbers (he also could easily have got another accurate cross if JKA wasn't a split second too late to poke the ball in to the net). A ridiculous statement would be to say that e.g. Reed was our most dangerous player. This may be something that you and others think is wrong, but I can't say how it's ridiculous. Adama's biggest "sin" is that he doesn't always track back, hence why I said most dangerous and not best player.
P. S. As long as we're using Footbmob and their xG and xA stats as a measuring stick, then Adama should be our regular starter, as he has 4th highest xG+xA per 90 minutes, behind ESR, Raul and Lukic. And I guess ESR should be a starter over King too, as he's our most dangerous player. I also seem to remember you being one of the posters who had a problem with me saying Adama was good in the Villa game, and he had highest xA number, xA+xG number and joint highest chances created number.
Quote from: Pie n Mash on October 28, 2025, 10:03:09 PMQuote from: demeant0r on October 28, 2025, 09:57:21 PMWhy was JKA just strutting around when it was his pen only for him to have it saved. Maybe he's not really that good.
Messi misses pens, Ronaldo too, even Matt Le Tiss missed one!
Can't judge any player on one kick of a ball surely
Sess missed as well, don't see anyone commenting on that.
I only managed to watch the second half, but I like how Kevin kept trying. I maintain that we have a very good player on our hands.
With that said, barring Kevin and King, it was a pretty terrible spectacle, but the most important thing is that we are through and now we have a good chance to turn the season into a more positive one even if our league campaign is ultimately a disappointing one.
I'm under no illusion that we are in a rut but I have total faith in Marco and our team to turn it around. We are missing 5 key players and it's showing. Of course our problems our deeper than injuries, but I strongly believe that we would have picked up more points and played better overall had we had Joa, AR, Muniz, Chuck, etc fit and playing.
Onto wolves which really is a must win.
I don't care how we win, we just need to get some points in the board and build a bit of confidence.
https://twitter.com/HammyEnd/status/1983302733919867031
Good angle of Diop's penalty yesterday. I've seen him take 2 penalties, but both were up there amongst the best penalties I've seen. Really precise and powerful. No keeper saves those.
Quote from: JimmyConway on October 29, 2025, 08:06:36 AMWas Asare penalty a bigger crime than Diop turning his back on Woodrow's goal?
I'd say he actually struck it well but it was really telegraphed - like most of Mitro's penalties. Sessegnon's penalty was far worse, and Iwobi also got a bit lucky.
Diop's penalty was brilliant. In terms of best penalties I've seen for Fulham, Berge at Old Trafford I think has the crown til the end of time.
Quote from: southwest6 on October 29, 2025, 10:13:49 AMI only managed to watch the second half, but I like how Kevin kept trying. I maintain that we have a very good player on our hands.
With that said, barring Kevin and King, it was a pretty terrible spectacle, but the most important thing is that we are through and now we have a good chance to turn the season into a more positive one even if our league campaign is ultimately a disappointing one.
I'm under no illusion that we are in a rut but I have total faith in Marco and our team to turn it around. We are missing 5 key players and it's showing. Of course our problems our deeper than injuries, but I strongly believe that we would have picked up more points and played better overall had we had Joa, AR, Muniz, Chuck, etc fit and playing.
Onto wolves which really is a must win.
I don't care how we win, we just need to get some points in the board and build a bit of confidence.
In King, Kevin and Chukwueze we have the players to become a bit more direct and reduce the consistently slow build up, hopefully Silva makes the most of them. Of course there will be moments where slow build up is important too, it's not either or.
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on October 29, 2025, 10:39:55 AMQuote from: southwest6 on October 29, 2025, 10:13:49 AMI only managed to watch the second half, but I like how Kevin kept trying. I maintain that we have a very good player on our hands.
With that said, barring Kevin and King, it was a pretty terrible spectacle, but the most important thing is that we are through and now we have a good chance to turn the season into a more positive one even if our league campaign is ultimately a disappointing one.
I'm under no illusion that we are in a rut but I have total faith in Marco and our team to turn it around. We are missing 5 key players and it's showing. Of course our problems our deeper than injuries, but I strongly believe that we would have picked up more points and played better overall had we had Joa, AR, Muniz, Chuck, etc fit and playing.
Onto wolves which really is a must win.
I don't care how we win, we just need to get some points in the board and build a bit of confidence.
In King, Kevin and Chukwueze we have the players to become a bit more direct and reduce the consistently slow build up, hopefully Silva makes the most of them. Of course there will be moments where slow build up is important too, it's not either or.
Totally agree. This slow buildup is mostly a confidence thing IMO, but we have players like Iwobi, King, and Chuck who will ALWAYS show for the ball no matter the circumstances and be positive with it.
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on October 29, 2025, 10:39:55 AMQuote from: southwest6 on October 29, 2025, 10:13:49 AMI only managed to watch the second half, but I like how Kevin kept trying. I maintain that we have a very good player on our hands.
With that said, barring Kevin and King, it was a pretty terrible spectacle, but the most important thing is that we are through and now we have a good chance to turn the season into a more positive one even if our league campaign is ultimately a disappointing one.
I'm under no illusion that we are in a rut but I have total faith in Marco and our team to turn it around. We are missing 5 key players and it's showing. Of course our problems our deeper than injuries, but I strongly believe that we would have picked up more points and played better overall had we had Joa, AR, Muniz, Chuck, etc fit and playing.
Onto wolves which really is a must win.
I don't care how we win, we just need to get some points in the board and build a bit of confidence.
In King, Kevin and Chukwueze we have the players to become a bit more direct and reduce the consistently slow build up, hopefully Silva makes the most of them. Of course there will be moments where slow build up is important too, it's not either or.
Yep, it probably won't be til second half of the season (injuries permitting) that this bears any fruit when AFCON is taken into consideration. The club prioritised other areas and I think waited too long to refresh our attacking options and now there's a fair bit of pressure on these guys to deliver quite quickly.
On the wings we had players who had technique (Iwobi, Wilson) or pace (Adama) but not really anyone who combined both. Kevin and Chukwueze I believe have both.
Of course ESR last season was meant to be a box crasher who would be a box crasher who would score goals from midfield. Just took a look and it's easy to forget he actually scored 6 last season. I think I overlook how started pretty well and seems to have regressed a bit. Superb goals against Palace, Leicester and Newcastle.
Quote from: hopper on October 29, 2025, 10:29:18 AMQuote from: JimmyConway on October 29, 2025, 08:06:36 AMWas Asare penalty a bigger crime than Diop turning his back on Woodrow's goal?
I'd say he actually struck it well but it was really telegraphed - like most of Mitro's penalties. Sessegnon's penalty was far worse, and Iwobi also got a bit lucky.
Diop's penalty was brilliant. In terms of best penalties I've seen for Fulham, Berge at Old Trafford I think has the crown til the end of time.
Quite. Diop turning his back for their goal is not the greatest piece of defending! Someone of his age and experience should be doing better. Schoolboy defending and a habit he should be well rid of?
Quote from: JimmyConway on October 29, 2025, 11:30:03 AMQuote from: hopper on October 29, 2025, 10:29:18 AMQuote from: JimmyConway on October 29, 2025, 08:06:36 AMWas Asare penalty a bigger crime than Diop turning his back on Woodrow's goal?
I'd say he actually struck it well but it was really telegraphed - like most of Mitro's penalties. Sessegnon's penalty was far worse, and Iwobi also got a bit lucky.
Diop's penalty was brilliant. In terms of best penalties I've seen for Fulham, Berge at Old Trafford I think has the crown til the end of time.
Quite. Diop turning his back for their goal is not the greatest piece of defending! Someone of his age and experience should be doing better. Schoolboy defending and a habit he should be well rid of?
I think King should do a bit better for their goal and Lecomte too.
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 11:49:26 AMQuote from: JimmyConway on October 29, 2025, 11:30:03 AMQuote from: hopper on October 29, 2025, 10:29:18 AMQuote from: JimmyConway on October 29, 2025, 08:06:36 AMWas Asare penalty a bigger crime than Diop turning his back on Woodrow's goal?
I'd say he actually struck it well but it was really telegraphed - like most of Mitro's penalties. Sessegnon's penalty was far worse, and Iwobi also got a bit lucky.
Diop's penalty was brilliant. In terms of best penalties I've seen for Fulham, Berge at Old Trafford I think has the crown til the end of time.
Quite. Diop turning his back for their goal is not the greatest piece of defending! Someone of his age and experience should be doing better. Schoolboy defending and a habit he should be well rid of?
I think King should do a bit better for their goal and Lecomte too.
My take on it is the keeper is not expecting to see his centre half turn his back on a shot at the edge of the area!! and should be looking to block the effort at all costs. It does look like keeper should do better I agree though think he saw it later than expected but would not have happened if Diop put his body on the line?
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 09:45:50 AMI also seem to remember you being one of the posters who had a problem with me saying Adama was good in the Villa game, and he had highest xA number, xA+xG number and joint highest chances created number.
You're misremembering. What I did is disagree with your ridiculous contention that Adama had been "superb" in the first half against Villa. After that match I said that he'd been ok (though in retrospect that might have been generous, however I was sympathetic to the difficult position he'd been thrown into with Raul going off injured) but did have a characteristic give away in a dangerous position in the lead up to Villa's 2nd goal. And that leads me to my final point. I was using xG/XA in the context of our discussion of Kevin and Adama against Wycombe simply to make the blindingly obvious point that Kevin was "more dangerous" yesterday. That doesn't mean he was superb or great or even particularly good (he really wasn't...nobody for Fulham was yesterday). There's MUCH more to look at than just xG/XA when evaluating the OVERALL performance of a player (and in making decisions whether that player should be starting, etc.).
Quote from: deadcowboys on October 29, 2025, 08:00:29 AMQuote from: Coastwalker on October 28, 2025, 10:14:01 PMQuote from: jayffc on October 28, 2025, 10:11:19 PMQuote from: Rambler on October 28, 2025, 10:06:44 PMWhere has all this JKA hate suddenly come from..
He missed one pen. Chill out. He got in some good positions in the box. He didn't look lazy to me
Bizarre trigger happy jumping on the lad. We were far better when he was on the pitch towards the end. Wasn't the best performance, but more happened with him up top than raul. the movement and ideas were there in and around the box but didn't quite come off.
Not sure why people are so quick to pile on a lad after 15minutes of football 😅 this board.
He couldn't tie Rauls boots.
At his age, Raul should be able to tie his own boots.
:slap:
Quote from: Chi_FFC on October 29, 2025, 02:01:06 PMQuote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 09:45:50 AMI also seem to remember you being one of the posters who had a problem with me saying Adama was good in the Villa game, and he had highest xA number, xA+xG number and joint highest chances created number.
You're misremembering. What I did is disagree with your ridiculous contention that Adama had been "superb" in the first half against Villa. After that match I said that he'd been ok but did have a characteristic give away in a dangerous position in the lead up to Villa's 2nd goal. And that leads me to my final point. I was using xG/XA in the context of our discussion of Kevin and Adama against Wycombe simply to make the blindingly obvious point that Kevin was "more dangerous" yesterday. That doesn't mean he was superb or great or even particularly good (he really wasn't...nobody for Fulham was yesterday). There's MUCH more to look at than just xG/XA when evaluating the OVERALL performance of a player (and in making decisions whether that player should be starting, etc.).
And my comment yesterday didn't say that Adama was our best player but our most dangerous one. Of course more goes into a performance than just providing goal threat.
As for the Villa game, using you're arguments in the Kevin vs Adama debate in that game, Adama was our most dangerous player in that game. In pretty much any game a team's most dangerous player has been superb, so I don't think it was a ridiculous statement at all. Especially as we were quite good in that Villa game before conceding, unlike yesterday where we were never at that level, so you could say no one was superb in that game. I also said he was superb in the first half,not the full game and that's exactly when we were good.
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 02:10:45 PMAnd my comment yesterday didn't say that Adama was our best player but our most dangerous one.
Yes, we know (and it was most dangerous "
by far" to be exact). It was a ridiculous comment as the stats make abundantly clear.
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 02:10:45 PMIn pretty much any game a team's most dangerous player has been superb
Nonsense. Superb performances are extremely rare. Hell, I don't think we've seen a superb match (or even half) from any Fulham player this season. And if we have it most certainly wasn't Adama in the first half of the Villa match.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on October 29, 2025, 03:30:44 PMQuote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 02:10:45 PMAnd my comment yesterday didn't say that Adama was our best player but our most dangerous one.
Yes, we know (and it was most dangerous "by far" to be exact). It was a ridiculous comment as the stats make abundantly clear.
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 02:10:45 PMIn pretty much any game a team's most dangerous player has been superb
Nonsense. Superb performances are extremely rare. Hell, I don't think we've seen a superb match (or even half) from any Fulham player this season. And if we have it most certainly wasn't Adama in the first half of the Villa match.
For the first part, I still disagree, but it seems like we won't agree on that so I feel like it's pointless to continue clogging this thread.
For the second part, it's just a matter of what you personally consider superb then. You seemingly have a much higher bar then me.
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on October 28, 2025, 10:08:59 PMQuote from: Coastwalker on October 28, 2025, 10:06:08 PMQuote from: S.F.Sorrow on October 28, 2025, 10:04:04 PMAt least we now know why Marco hasn't played JKA. He contributed absolutely nothing. We might as well played with 10 men. The penalty was the worst since Lookman. If what he showed today is even remotely close to his actual level it seems like an utterly pointless loan. If he had at least tried, but he looked lazy and totally uninterested.
Lecomte was my MOTM, for obvious reasons.
Don't think Marco wanted him signed,that's why he hasn't played.
Well, after what I saw today I can totally understand why Marco didn't want him signed, if that's even the case and not just speculation on your part.
It's the old "if he's good he must be Marco's, if he's bad he must be TK's". Pure uninformed guesswork I suspect.
Quote from: Mullers OG on October 28, 2025, 10:22:41 PMCauley Woodrow my MOM. Had we lost there's no-one who deserved to have beaten us more. He was treated abominably IMO being discarded far too quickly and replaced by awful mistakes like Kamara. Good to see CW still putting in a shift.
He was good yesterday and I like him but he was not good enough for us which was why he was discarded. Even Kamara made a much greater impact in the Champ than Woodrow did.
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 03:36:59 PMFor the second part, it's just a matter of what you personally consider superb then. You seemingly have a much higher bar then me.
Look mate, you're certainly free to think Adama's first half performance against Villa was "superb: marked to the highest degree by grandeur, excellence, brilliance, or competence" but if that's the case I think the only people who'd agree with you would be members of his family. It's not my bar that's too high, it's yours WAY too low.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on October 29, 2025, 03:59:02 PMbut if that's the case I think the only people who'd agree with you would be members of his family
Another unneccessary thing to say, just like your earlier yikes comment.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on October 29, 2025, 03:59:02 PMIt's not my bar that's too high, it's yours too low.
Again, that's subjective. You think my bar is too low, I don't.
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 04:02:37 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on October 29, 2025, 03:59:02 PMbut if that's the case I think the only people who'd agree with you would be members of his family
Another unneccessary thing to say, just like your earlier yikes comment.
Why? I think it's a pretty straightforward accurate statement.
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 04:02:37 PMAgain, that's subjective. You think my bar is too low, I don't.
So you seriously thought Adama's first half performance against Villa was "marked to the highest degree by grandeur, excellence, brilliance, or competence"? Because that's what superb means. It doesn't mean good, very good or even great.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on October 29, 2025, 04:40:12 PMWhy? I think it's a pretty straightforward accurate statement.
Okay then, I should make statements like that whenever I feel like what I am saying is accurate.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on October 29, 2025, 04:40:12 PM"marked to the highest degree by grandeur, excellence, brilliance, or competence"? Because that's what superb means.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/superb
of excellent quality; very great
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/superb
If something is superb, its quality is very good indeed.
If you say that someone has superb confidence, control, or skill, you mean that they have very great confidence, control, or skill.
Oxford Dictionary:
superb:very good; excellent.
Yes, I think Adama was very good, excellent, of excellent quality, very great,etc. in the first half, which is what every major English language dictionary says is the meaning of superb. Not sure where your definition comes from.
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 04:49:08 PMhttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/superb
of excellent quality; very great
Yup, not simply good, very good or even great. It's a word when used in the context of describing athletic performance used rarely, only for the best of performances.
And nobody but you (or like I said Adama's relatives) thought he was superb in that half against Villa.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/superb
It's a game of opinions.
I was at the game and I can tell you I was constantly raging against Traore.
I think the issue with him (and maybe all players) is we evaluate them against what they are capable of. We know he has it in the locker to be an absolute weapon that is unplayable. Last night he made so many bad decisions when in good positions. He hardly ever does the obvious thing which is to bomb it down the wing and whip in a cross. He is invariably overcomplicating things. That's what's so frustrating and why he gets a lot of flack.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on October 29, 2025, 04:59:14 PMQuote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 04:49:08 PMhttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/superb
of excellent quality; very great
Yup, not simply good, very good or even great. It's a word when used in the context of describing athletic performance used rarely, only for the best of performances.
And nobody but you (or like I said Adama's relatives) thought he was superb in that half against Villa.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/superb
I know. I didn't think he was just good, I thought he was of excellent quality, very great. I forgot about Merriam-Webster, but I see now that they do give that definition you pointed out(it's the only dictionary that does so though, so more cherry picking from you).
But I'm done, no matter what you write next I'll just ignore it. I don't even know what are you trying to do? In my opinion he was superb in that first half and no matter what you post, I'll stand by my opinion. So have a nice day!
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 05:05:08 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on October 29, 2025, 04:59:14 PMQuote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 04:49:08 PMhttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/superb
of excellent quality; very great
Yup, not simply good, very good or even great. It's a word when used in the context of describing athletic performance used rarely, only for the best of performances.
And nobody but you (or like I said Adama's relatives) thought he was superb in that half against Villa.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/superb
I know. I didn't think he was just good, I thought he was of excellent quality, very great.
I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt as a non native English speaker and say that maybe you didn't realize how superb is actually used by native speakers, but no, you did actually think Adama was "very great" in that half. Wow.
Maybe one could make a point without trying to ridicule another poster's opinion.
Just a thought.
Cheers! If he was any better I'd use world-class, phenomenal or something like that. Superb, is the tier below that and then comes great and so on so and so forth.
Quote from: Sting of the North on October 29, 2025, 05:15:52 PMMaybe one could make a point without trying to ridicule another poster's opinion.
Just a thought.
That's a point I tried to make two times, but it was a "pretty straightforward, accurate statement" so it's okay apparently.
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 05:05:08 PMBut I'm done, no matter what you write next I'll just ignore it.
LOL, I think everyone who's posted here for any length of time knew that this wasn't going to end up being true.
Quote from: SerbianLad on October 29, 2025, 05:16:30 PMCheers! If he was any better...
Let's be clear that this off topic discussion of Adama's performance against Villa was started by you. Frankly, I still have no idea at all what it had to do with the discussion of who was "more dangerous" yesterday. I'll take some of the blame for things going off the rails as I really should know better than to engage with you here, but occasionally you say something so off base I get sucked in.
And finally, I'd contend some opinions expressed here are so out there they actually do deserve at least a
little ridicule.