This is a first for me...Road Tax more expensive than Insurance.
Mercedes C180 Kompressor Coupe,drives like a dream 69000 miles.
£340 Road Tax
Insurance £306.
Don't know what mine will be, currently I pay £20 due to adblue and low emissions.
Mazda 2 1.4 £35
By the Beard of Zeus.
Luckily for me I have a Horse & Cart.
Although I expect this current odious communist establishment who are the original inventors of horse manure, and are themselves very un Stable will find a way of taxing my horse Dobbin and his sister Neddy some time in the near future, it is extortion of biblical proportions. .
They both already have long faces.
After dark it will be potentially a night Mare.
Car tax just another one of the myriad of stealth taxes that we get hit with.
My car is 3 years old and costs £695 I think per year. If it was new now, the first year tax would be £2190.
Criminal.
1972 series 3 landrover. No tax, £90 fully comp with restrictions and ULEZ compliant. Bonkers.
Pay a lot of money for your car to be on the road, then pay another lot to park on the road you have already paid to be on.
Car registration (Vehicle Excise Duty) does not pay for roads.
Quote from: Snibbo on February 13, 2026, 10:40:28 AMCar registration (Vehicle Excise Duty) does not pay for roads.
Though supposedly a larger chunk of it goes to transport infrastructure. Which means that it's all been blown on HS2- which has now, incredibly/stupidly/infuriatingly, become the most expensive railway in the world.
Quote from: battersea boy on February 13, 2026, 01:58:55 AMThis is a first for me...Road Tax more expensive than Insurance.
Mercedes C180 Kompressor Coupe,drives like a dream 69000 miles.
£340 Road Tax
Insurance £306.
Can you do my hair at 2
Quote from: Jaguar2013 on February 13, 2026, 08:48:37 AMDon't know what mine will be, currently I pay £20 due to adblue and low emissions.
Is that part of your 5 a day
My next motor will almost certainly be 100% electric.... current one is hybrid
Just spent £997 yesterday on MoT repairs due to potholes in the roads.
Quote from: alfie on February 13, 2026, 10:29:48 AMPay a lot of money for your car to be on the road, then pay another lot to park on the road you have already paid to be on.
Brilliant Alfie.
Quote from: battersea boy on February 13, 2026, 01:58:55 AMThis is a first for me...Road Tax more expensive than Insurance.
Mercedes C180 Kompressor Coupe,drives like a dream 69000 miles.
£340 Road Tax
Insurance £306.
If it makes you feel better, I now live in the States and my Mercedes insurance is 1,500 per year. Insurance here is out of control. House insurance 5,000 per year, health insurance 12,000 per year.
Car insurance for over 80s is criminal
Quote from: Dodgin on February 13, 2026, 12:58:52 PMCar insurance for over 80s is criminal
Yep...all over 80's should be in prison
Quote from: Dodgin on February 13, 2026, 12:58:52 PMCar insurance for over 80s is criminal
It would be a lot more affordable if regular re-testing was required after a certain age.
It's expensive because statistically there are too many older people behind the wheel who aren't capable anymore.
There are far far more younger people behind the wheel, that never will be capable,
Quote from: alfie on February 13, 2026, 10:29:48 AMPay a lot of money for your car to be on the road, then pay another lot to park on the road you have already paid to be on.
Yes but parking is a luxury. You could always keep driving around in circles.
On this motoring subject... I usually get my tyres via black circles....they always have some good deals
Quote from: St Eve on February 13, 2026, 12:50:50 PMQuote from: battersea boy on February 13, 2026, 01:58:55 AMThis is a first for me...Road Tax more expensive than Insurance.
Mercedes C180 Kompressor Coupe,drives like a dream 69000 miles.
£340 Road Tax
Insurance £306.
If it makes you feel better, I now live in the States and my Mercedes insurance is 1,500 per year. Insurance here is out of control. House insurance 5,000 per year, health insurance 12,000 per year.
Jeez, where do you live?
I got my car insurance down to under 1200 bucks a year for 2 23-plate cars with AllState, whereas Liberty were upping my rates from 1800 to 2400 a year for the same. Same with House insurance, 2200 bucks instead of 3500 with Liberty.
I'm a bit of a petrol head, always have been. Consequently me weekend car costs a lot of money to tax but that's my choice, no complaints. And I am well aware that I'm fortunate to be able to exercise such choices.
Quote from: Logicalman on February 13, 2026, 06:36:26 PMQuote from: St Eve on February 13, 2026, 12:50:50 PMQuote from: battersea boy on February 13, 2026, 01:58:55 AMThis is a first for me...Road Tax more expensive than Insurance.
Mercedes C180 Kompressor Coupe,drives like a dream 69000 miles.
£340 Road Tax
Insurance £306.
If it makes you feel better, I now live in the States and my Mercedes insurance is 1,500 per year. Insurance here is out of control. House insurance 5,000 per year, health insurance 12,000 per year.
Jeez, where do you live?
I got my car insurance down to under 1200 bucks a year for 2 23-plate cars with AllState, whereas Liberty were upping my rates from 1800 to 2400 a year for the same. Same with House insurance, 2200 bucks instead of 3500 with Liberty.
New York
My understanding of US car insurance vs UK is that it's about 3x the annual cost, and a big reason for that is US insurers have to pay US healthcare costs in the event of accidents which can be hugely more expensive than the vehicles.
So not only do US residents have to pay expensive medical insurance but they also end up paying more for other insurances due to the privatised health too.
Thank god for the NHS, I say!
Quote from: Craven Mad on February 14, 2026, 07:18:01 AMMy understanding of US car insurance vs UK is that it's about 3x the annual cost, and a big reason for that is US insurers have to pay US healthcare costs in the event of accidents which can be hugely more expensive than the vehicles.
So not only do US residents have to pay expensive medical insurance but they also end up paying more for other insurances due to the privatised health too.
Thank god for the NHS, I say!
Amen to that.
1969 Range Rover Sport @~ £195
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 13, 2026, 11:34:23 AMMy next motor will almost certainly be 100% electric.... current one is hybrid
Don't be so sure, they need the tax revenue. They will get it one way or the other.
Quote from: Bill2 on February 14, 2026, 12:25:19 PMQuote from: H4usuallysitting on February 13, 2026, 11:34:23 AMMy next motor will almost certainly be 100% electric.... current one is hybrid
Don't be so sure, they need the tax revenue. They will get it one way or the other.
No idea what the tax implications will be...not doing it for tax reasons.... it's because they're reasonably priced second hand
Quote from: ScalleysDad on February 13, 2026, 10:23:31 AM1972 series 3 landrover. No tax, £90 fully comp with restrictions and ULEZ compliant. Bonkers.
Have you tried a Motor Bike and Side Car
Push bike is the way to go, the you don't have to worry about about tax, insurance, mot, traffic lights, zebra crossings, one way streets, or any form of road etiquette.
Our local Barber won our Village Bicycle race by taking a short cut.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2026, 02:11:45 PMOur local Barber won our Village Bicycle race by taking a short cut.
Short back & side sir.
Quote from: alfie on February 14, 2026, 02:24:25 PMQuote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2026, 02:11:45 PMOur local Barber won our Village Bicycle race by taking a short cut.
Short back & side sir.
Short Back & Side Car.
Quote from: Jim© on February 13, 2026, 10:51:50 AMQuote from: Snibbo on February 13, 2026, 10:40:28 AMCar registration (Vehicle Excise Duty) does not pay for roads.
Though supposedly a larger chunk of it goes to transport infrastructure. Which means that it's all been blown on HS2- which has now, incredibly/stupidly/infuriatingly, become the most expensive railway in the world.
That's why the tube is far and away the most expensive subway for a big city in the world? Roads are crap. Public transport is crap. Taxes to support them go up and up and up
Tube driver...£71,000-£77,000...£100k for overtime
Junior doctor £38,000-£44,000 ( no overtime)
Police officer £36,000
Secondary school teacher £34000-£36,000
Quote from: terryr on February 14, 2026, 08:49:42 PMTube driver...£71,000-£77,000...£100k for overtime
Junior doctor £38,000-£44,000 ( no overtime)
Police officer £36,000
Secondary school teacher £34000-£36,000
I won't tell you what a London cab driver earns
Quote from: alfie on February 14, 2026, 02:24:25 PMQuote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2026, 02:11:45 PMOur local Barber won our Village Bicycle race by taking a short cut.
Short back & side sir.
...and somerhing for the weekend?
Quote from: terryr on February 14, 2026, 08:49:42 PMTube driver...£71,000-£77,000...£100k for overtime
Junior doctor £38,000-£44,000 ( no overtime)
Police officer £36,000
Secondary school teacher £34000-£36,000
A consequence of Union muscle.😒
Quote from: terryr on February 14, 2026, 08:49:42 PMTube driver...£71,000-£77,000...£100k for overtime
Junior doctor £38,000-£44,000 ( no overtime)
Police officer £36,000
Secondary school teacher £34000-£36,000
I notice banker's salary not on there
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 13, 2026, 11:34:23 AMMy next motor will almost certainly be 100% electric.... current one is hybrid
Car tax is being brought in for electric cars. The b4st4rds will get you whatever way they can.
I have done 3 tyres in 12 months due to shocking state of the roads. Tried to claim the money back off the council and got the run around. Bunch of cretins.
Don't need a car here on the Isle of Wight, horse and cart for me !
Quote from: cookieg on February 16, 2026, 12:09:59 AMQuote from: H4usuallysitting on February 13, 2026, 11:34:23 AMMy next motor will almost certainly be 100% electric.... current one is hybrid
Car tax is being brought in for electric cars. The b4st4rds will get you whatever way they can.
Of course they will... it's the second hand market price's I like the look of... electric cars appear to have a big depreciation in their first few years....when we had the house rewired we made provision for an external charger.... I'm also considering solar, but still waiting for prices to come down
Quote from: cookieg on February 16, 2026, 12:09:59 AMQuote from: H4usuallysitting on February 13, 2026, 11:34:23 AMMy next motor will almost certainly be 100% electric.... current one is hybrid
Car tax is being brought in for electric cars. The b4st4rds will get you whatever way they can.
Of course it well... it's the second hand market price's I like the look of... electric cars appear to have a big depreciation in their first few years....when we had the house rewired we made provision for an external charger.... I'm also considering solar, but still waiting for prices to come down
Quote from: Hugh Janus on February 16, 2026, 07:40:03 AMI have done 3 tyres in 12 months due to shocking state of the roads. Tried to claim the money back off the council and got the run around. Bunch of cretins.
Black circles are pretty reasonable
Quote from: St Eve on February 14, 2026, 02:50:16 AMQuote from: Logicalman on February 13, 2026, 06:36:26 PMQuote from: St Eve on February 13, 2026, 12:50:50 PMQuote from: battersea boy on February 13, 2026, 01:58:55 AMThis is a first for me...Road Tax more expensive than Insurance.
Mercedes C180 Kompressor Coupe,drives like a dream 69000 miles.
£340 Road Tax
Insurance £306.
If it makes you feel better, I now live in the States and my Mercedes insurance is 1,500 per year. Insurance here is out of control. House insurance 5,000 per year, health insurance 12,000 per year.
Jeez, where do you live?
I got my car insurance down to under 1200 bucks a year for 2 23-plate cars with AllState, whereas Liberty were upping my rates from 1800 to 2400 a year for the same. Same with House insurance, 2200 bucks instead of 3500 with Liberty.
New York
Sorry to hear that mate, though the rates aren't so surprising for that place, I'm ~800 miles west of you, the weather's good, come on over, it's all cheaper, though not as fancy! Nice 3-bedroomed ranch, 2-3 garage, on acre+ of land can be got for under 400K here, and the insurance rates are a doddle.
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 16, 2026, 08:29:06 AMQuote from: cookieg on February 16, 2026, 12:09:59 AMQuote from: H4usuallysitting on February 13, 2026, 11:34:23 AMMy next motor will almost certainly be 100% electric.... current one is hybrid
Car tax is being brought in for electric cars. The b4st4rds will get you whatever way they can.
Of course it well... it's the second hand market price's I like the look of... electric cars appear to have a big depreciation in their first few years....when we had the house rewired we made provision for an external charger.... I'm also considering solar, but still waiting for prices to come down Quote from: Hugh Janus on February 16, 2026, 07:40:03 AMI have done 3 tyres in 12 months due to shocking state of the roads. Tried to claim the money back off the council and got the run around. Bunch of cretins.
Black circles are pretty reasonable
I always go for black circles when I buy new tyres. White circles just look odd and black squares are just a no no.
Quote from: Hugh Janus on February 16, 2026, 07:40:03 AMI have done 3 tyres in 12 months due to shocking state of the roads. Tried to claim the money back off the council and got the run around. Bunch of cretins.
I agree complete cretins. I often wonder if Councils are run by Lizards, as they cannot be of this earth.
I am now using wooden wheels towed by two Bison.
Just takes a bit longer to get from A to B and Y to Z.
Quote from: Jim© on February 13, 2026, 10:51:50 AMQuote from: Snibbo on February 13, 2026, 10:40:28 AMCar registration (Vehicle Excise Duty) does not pay for roads.
Though supposedly a larger chunk of it goes to transport infrastructure. Which means that it's all been blown on HS2- which has now, incredibly/stupidly/infuriatingly, become the most expensive railway in the world.
actualy it all goes on paying tube drivers£80Ka year
Going back about 20 years, road tax was abolished in Gib and they put the price of fuel up by 4p per litre. It worked a treat as the more you use your vehicle the more you pay ::thumb::
Quote from: blingo on July 27, 2026, 04:38:02 AMGoing back about 20 years, road tax was abolished in Gib and they put the price of fuel up by 4p per litre. It worked a treat as the more you use your vehicle the more you pay ::thumb::
I agree thats the way it should be, plus all those people who dont pay car tax have to pay something now
Quote from: blingo on July 27, 2026, 04:38:02 AMGoing back about 20 years, road tax was abolished in Gib and they put the price of fuel up by 4p per litre. It worked a treat as the more you use your vehicle the more you pay ::thumb::
Have always advocated this approach
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 13, 2026, 09:08:49 AMBy the Beard of Zeus.
Luckily for me I have a Horse & Cart.
Although I expect this current odious communist establishment who are the original inventors of horse manure, and are themselves very un Stable will find a way of taxing my horse Dobbin and his sister Neddy some time in the near future, it is extortion of biblical proportions. .
They both already have long faces.
After dark it will be potentially a night Mare.
You don't really have a horse and cart. The OP was making an interesting point about car tax and insurance. Yeah, he's got a nice set of wheels. Don't be bitter/jealous.
Btw, do you rent yourself out at weekends for kids parties???
Quote from: blingo on July 27, 2026, 04:38:02 AMGoing back about 20 years, road tax was abolished in Gib and they put the price of fuel up by 4p per litre. It worked a treat as the more you use your vehicle the more you pay ::thumb::
That's good go hear. Common sense and logical thinking in high office. That doesn't often occur.
I recall here when those in the know stopped issueing tax discs so millions took the risk and stopped paying road tax.
I also recall a lot further back when some non payers put beer mats in the tax display holders. No I was not one of them!
Fact is, hundres of cars were coming into gib to fill up on a daily basis so it made sense to let them pay for the roads as they were still saving a lot on a full tank of fuel
Vauxhall Grandland 1.2 ltr Turbo on a 73 plate. I`ve forgotten how much vehickle excise duty I pay.....whoever has got an mortgage with a well known bank is paying for it out of the interest I get. P.S. don`t tell Rachel from accounts.....Oop`s sorry I forgot she`s got the tin tack.
Quote from: Dodgin on February 13, 2026, 12:58:52 PMCar insurance for over 80s is criminal
it is dodge , I'm 80 and mine this march just gone was £1225 😖
Quote from: Hugh Janus on February 16, 2026, 07:40:03 AMI have done 3 tyres in 12 months due to shocking state of the roads. Tried to claim the money back off the council and got the run around. Bunch of cretins.
how they manage to absolve themselves from having to pay out is beyond me .
Quote from: bobbo on July 29, 2026, 09:54:49 AMQuote from: Hugh Janus on February 16, 2026, 07:40:03 AMI have done 3 tyres in 12 months due to shocking state of the roads. Tried to claim the money back off the council and got the run around. Bunch of cretins.
how they manage to absolve themselves from having to pay out is beyond me .
In my case first one was on a busy A road. I couldn't stop. They asked me for photographic evidence of the pot hole. When I drove back they had filled it in and denied it. Like I said, a bunch of cretins.
Quote from: SuperFreeman on July 28, 2026, 05:42:31 AMQuote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 13, 2026, 09:08:49 AMBy the Beard of Zeus.
Luckily for me I have a Horse & Cart.
Although I expect this current odious communist establishment who are the original inventors of horse manure, and are themselves very un Stable will find a way of taxing my horse Dobbin and his sister Neddy some time in the near future, it is extortion of biblical proportions. .
They both already have long faces.
After dark it will be potentially a night Mare.
You don't really have a horse and cart. The OP was making an interesting point about car tax and insurance. Yeah, he's got a nice set of wheels. Don't be bitter/jealous.
Btw, do you rent yourself out at weekends for kids parties???
Not yet oh wise one. as at the moment I am busy renting myself out to bare knuckle boxing and training to defend my Yard of Ale Title at the next contest.
So I shall have to leave the kids parties to you and TK. As I envisage it is right up both your alleys.
On second thoughts old timer. Cancel the kids parties as they might think your the Grim Reaper and frighten the life out of them, as you certainly frighten me and my horse Dobbin and his sister Neddy.
Although TK will be fine. but best you stay at home until further notice.
On another matter are you Super Freeman named after Darren Freeman as he was my daughters favourite player when he played. ?
However due to work commitments she doesn't attend any more
Quote from: alfie on February 13, 2026, 10:29:48 AMPay a lot of money for your car to be on the road, then pay another lot to park on the road you have already paid to be on.
Ahh, the first is to drive on it though, not park (unless it'd The m25), that's extra!
It's never ending greedy tax man where cars are concerned .
You pay vat when you buy it
You pay road tax to be on the roads
You pay lots of tax on the fuel or electricity
You pay vat on your insurance
You pay vat on parts
It's endless
While I understand the reluctance of individuals to pay any form of tax, I don't understand attacks on "the tax man" or "the greedy b**stards". The 'tax man' doesn't keep our money. Britain is broke. It has been for a very long time. Read Paul Johnson's (former Director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies) book 'Where The Money Went' and consider these facts:
Tax-to-GDP ratio: The UK raises roughly 34% to 35% of its GDP in total tax revenue.
Western European comparison: This is lower than major continental economies like France (around 43% to 45% of GDP), Italy (around 42%), and Germany (around 38% to 40%).
Social security gap: The primary reason for the lower overall tax take in the UK is lower social security/National Insurance contributions, particularly from employers, compared to continental Europe.
Quote from: bobbo on August 03, 2026, 06:35:00 PMIt's never ending greedy tax man where cars are concerned .
You pay vat when you buy it
You pay road tax to be on the roads
You pay lots of tax on the fuel or electricity
You pay vat on your insurance
You pay vat on parts
It's endless
Agree it is extortion of hard earned money, whilst the idle and lazy get everything paid for them.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 04, 2026, 02:10:32 PMQuote from: bobbo on August 03, 2026, 06:35:00 PMIt's never ending greedy tax man where cars are concerned .
You pay vat when you buy it
You pay road tax to be on the roads
You pay lots of tax on the fuel or electricity
You pay vat on your insurance
You pay vat on parts
It's endless
Agree it is extortion of hard earned money, whilst the idle and lazy get everything paid for them.
IMO that's nonsense.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on August 03, 2026, 10:47:08 PMWhile I understand the reluctance of individuals to pay any form of tax, I don't understand attacks on "the tax man" or "the greedy b**stards". The 'tax man' doesn't keep our money. Britain is broke. It has been for a very long time. Read Paul Johnson's (former Director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies) book 'Where The Money Went' and consider these facts:
Tax-to-GDP ratio: The UK raises roughly 34% to 35% of its GDP in total tax revenue.
Western European comparison: This is lower than major continental economies like France (around 43% to 45% of GDP), Italy (around 42%), and Germany (around 38% to 40%).
Social security gap: The primary reason for the lower overall tax take in the UK is lower social security/National Insurance contributions, particularly from employers, compared to continental Europe.
well south coast I get and agree with what you say but without actually spelling it out so much of what pay goes on what most of the nation don't want .
Quote from: bobbo on August 04, 2026, 02:33:03 PMQuote from: Southcoastffc on August 03, 2026, 10:47:08 PMWhile I understand the reluctance of individuals to pay any form of tax, I don't understand attacks on "the tax man" or "the greedy b**stards". The 'tax man' doesn't keep our money. Britain is broke. It has been for a very long time. Read Paul Johnson's (former Director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies) book 'Where The Money Went' and consider these facts:
Tax-to-GDP ratio: The UK raises roughly 34% to 35% of its GDP in total tax revenue.
Western European comparison: This is lower than major continental economies like France (around 43% to 45% of GDP), Italy (around 42%), and Germany (around 38% to 40%).
Social security gap: The primary reason for the lower overall tax take in the UK is lower social security/National Insurance contributions, particularly from employers, compared to continental Europe.
well south coast I get and agree with what you say but without actually spelling it out so much of what pay goes on what most of the nation don't want .
Yes, I understand but that's the society in which we live. e.g. we all pay for education, roads, health and social care whether or not we have children, drive or are perfectly healthy. 🤷
Quote from: Craven Mad on February 13, 2026, 02:31:36 PMQuote from: Dodgin on February 13, 2026, 12:58:52 PMCar insurance for over 80s is criminal
It would be a lot more affordable if regular re-testing was required after a certain age.
It's expensive because statistically there are too many older people behind the wheel who aren't capable anymore.
UK. Govt. statistics prove your statement to be false.