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Title: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: FatFreddysCat on June 26, 2011, 08:33:03 PM
Just a very far off thought, but if you google Howards estate agents Lowestoft, look at the added photo's etc, how much would it cost to set up a site like that ? that would be hiring someone to do the whole set up obviously as i wouldn't have a clue. Also what would be the ongoing charges if any? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: FatFreddysCat on June 26, 2011, 08:56:30 PM
And even better, what if i wanted to add a forum like this to it?
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: finnster01 on June 26, 2011, 09:02:50 PM
Mr Freddy,
First you would need to change your signature to Beer, Sausages & Real Estate :58:
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: FatFreddysCat on June 26, 2011, 09:06:06 PM
Mr Freddy,
First you would need to change your signature to Beer, Sausages & Real Estate :58:

Whose making money on real estate in Spain at the moment it would be madness , oops Spain  :doh: Just a little idea i've had, never seen it in Spain or anywhere else to be honest, not in a position to do it now, but would like to see if it's possible.
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: FatFreddysCat on June 26, 2011, 11:01:34 PM
A little :bump:  so it dosen't get missed by our computer experts. Goodnight all. :038:
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: sipwell on June 27, 2011, 08:07:20 AM
Having built a website myself, I can tell you that this is a rather complicated website to build if you have no clue how to build one. You have to know PHP coding for all the actual houses for rent and for sale have to be put in a database. You will probably find templates on the internet (for which you have to pay if you want it to look decent) but you will still have to know PHP to list the actual real estate on your website (and pictures and such). PHP is a program that links a database to your actual website (so people can browse it). People spent years in school to actually learn it. It is not as easy as it looks...
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: luckykat on June 27, 2011, 08:53:01 AM
I have a number of websites. There are many wordpress templates for estate agents - I have one from www.studiopress.com (http://www.studiopress.com) which is better than your example. The cost is shown on that site. You can find cheaper ones - try links from www.estateagencynews.co.uk (http://www.estateagencynews.co.uk). Ongoing costs would be the hosting (it's very easy to update the site, no knowledge required); cheapest hosting is in the USA (try hostgator.com) but if you use a dot com domain host it in the UK otherwise you will struggle to do well in the UK search pages.

Don't want to argue with sipwell, but you don't need to know php coding to create or update the site.
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: sipwell on June 27, 2011, 08:58:21 AM
I have a number of websites. There are many wordpress templates for estate agents - I have one from www.studiopress.com (http://www.studiopress.com) which is better than your example. The cost is shown on that site. You can find cheaper ones - try links from www.estateagencynews.co.uk (http://www.estateagencynews.co.uk). Ongoing costs would be the hosting (it's very easy to update the site, no knowledge required); cheapest hosting is in the USA (try hostgator.com) but if you use a dot com domain host it in the UK otherwise you will struggle to do well in the UK search pages.

Don't want to argue with sipwell, but you don't need to know php coding to create or update the site.

With wordpress you indeed don't need to know PHP. Then again, the example Freddy showed did use PHP and not wordpress. I dislike wordpress because, either way you look at it, the feel of a blog remains.
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: luckykat on June 27, 2011, 09:18:20 AM
With wordpress you indeed don't need to know PHP. Then again, the example Freddy showed did use PHP and not wordpress. I dislike wordpress because, either way you look at it, the feel of a blog remains.
I agree that most people use wordpress for blogs, but you can get templates now that certainly aren't blog like. And wordpress is almost as easy to use as Microsoft Office Word. I don't want to start a war, but if you look at the source code of that site it is html and not php, and is probably wordpress! Anyway, the point is that Freddie could get a good looking wordpress template quite cheaply and could do the work himself rather than pay an arm and a leg getting someone else to do the job.
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: sipwell on June 27, 2011, 09:23:50 AM
With wordpress you indeed don't need to know PHP. Then again, the example Freddy showed did use PHP and not wordpress. I dislike wordpress because, either way you look at it, the feel of a blog remains.
I agree that most people use wordpress for blogs, but you can get templates now that certainly aren't blog like. And wordpress is almost as easy to use as Microsoft Office Word. I don't want to start a war, but if you look at the source code of that site it is html and not php, and is probably wordpress! Anyway, the point is that Freddie could get a good looking wordpress template quite cheaply and could do the work himself rather than pay an arm and a leg getting someone else to do the job.

The databases are PHP (even the source code indicates as much). No discussion there.

I don't argue with the fact that wordpress is easier though and for Freddy indeed a better, cheaper and easier option. The example you show however remains very "bloggy" (it even makes use of the typical blog "tags" which you don't find on a website as such). That is not a criticism of your suggestion though (with which I agree) but a personal opinion.
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: luckykat on June 27, 2011, 09:33:41 AM
The databases are PHP (even the source code indicates as much). No discussion there.

I don't argue with the fact that wordpress is easier though and for Freddy indeed a better, cheaper and easier option. The example you show however remains very "bloggy" (it even makes use of the typical blog "tags" which you don't find on a website as such). That is not a criticism of your suggestion though (with which I agree) but a personal opinion.

Agree the databases are php but no knowledge of php is required to update them (which was really my point - to show Freedie he could do it himself, not trying to score points  :003:). All wordpress sites have php databases running in the background. The example is very flexible and it is straightforward to remove the 'bloggy' bits. I own the domain homefinders.co.uk but don't have the time to set up and run the business. The best offer I have received for the domain is £10k, so if you want to improve on that Freedie...!

The last time I looked it would cost about £300-350 for a custom designed estate agent's site from one of the links from estateagencynews.co.uk.
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: The Equalizer on June 27, 2011, 10:37:39 AM
All this web claptrap is gobbledigook even to me!

Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: CorkedHat on June 27, 2011, 11:05:28 AM
All this web claptrap is gobbledigook even to me!



I bet Fred is having a ball with this thread. Clear as mud, if you ask me.
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: whitejc on June 27, 2011, 11:11:00 AM
these types of websites are typically database driven, i.e. you enter you "house" details which is then displayed. The reason for using a database is that you want to be able to change/remove or add new properties on a regular basis.

what the public see on the website is only half of the system.

if you can get a working custom designed estate agents site for £350, take it, I do this for a living (build web sites) and I would want a minimum of £3K to build that sort of site
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: Blingo on June 27, 2011, 11:12:02 AM
Fredster, you can make good money selling spanish properties right now, because you are selling bargains to dreamers m8.

The other point to mention is that Estate Agents (Inmobilarios) over here, charge the seller 5%.
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: White Noise on June 27, 2011, 11:15:50 AM
Can anyone recommend messageboard/forum software packages that are cheap and easy to use and also email newsletter packages that follow the same requirements?
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: whitejc on June 27, 2011, 12:01:30 PM
Can anyone recommend messageboard/forum software packages that are cheap and easy to use and also email newsletter packages that follow the same requirements?

SMF is the package used for this forum, its free and quite easy to setup

as for email newsletter systems it depends on a number of things such as, how many subscribers (emails to be sent) how often (monthly, weekly etc.) do you want to host it yourself or do you want to use a 'service' that allows you to create your email list, make a newsletter and then send them. you might not want to send lots of emails from your own website as some hosting companies get a bit sniffy about it.

a commercial, reasonably priced, 'create and send' option would be www.simplycast.com (http://www.simplycast.com).
if you want to send from your own website/database then this is OK software www.webassist.com/php-scripts-and-solutions/powermessenger/ (http://www.webassist.com/php-scripts-and-solutions/powermessenger/)

if you want any more details pm me
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: sipwell on June 27, 2011, 12:09:14 PM
Mailchimp is useful too.

http://mailchimp.com/ (http://mailchimp.com/)
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: MJG on June 27, 2011, 01:07:54 PM
Fredster, you can make good money selling spanish properties right now, because you are selling bargains to dreamers m8.

The other point to mention is that Estate Agents (Inmobilarios) over here, charge the seller 5%.
I would agree with that figure, I have had a job offer from a couple of agents to go and move to spain and work for them and they charge a min 3K+Euros.

Off subject slightly and aimed at our spansih residents, should I take the plunge and move over? Its the south Costa Blanca area.
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: Blingo on June 27, 2011, 01:59:53 PM
Be very and I mean VERY careful MJG. There are more sharks out of the water here than there are in it. Do LOTS of research first. Will they help you with your NIE? Provide a work contract? A basic plus comms? A co car?
You need to check all of this out AND have an exit strategy in case it does not work out m8.
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: FatFreddysCat on June 27, 2011, 07:46:31 PM
Fredster, you can make good money selling spanish properties right now, because you are selling bargains to dreamers m8.

The other point to mention is that Estate Agents (Inmobilarios) over here, charge the seller 5%.
I would agree with that figure, I have had a job offer from a couple of agents to go and move to spain and work for them and they charge a min 3K+Euros.

Off subject slightly and aimed at our spansih residents, should I take the plunge and move over? Its the south Costa Blanca area.
Have you checked out the Torrevieja Forums MJG? I'd guess it would be somewhere around there, aand you get a lot of info on it. When i go over it will be about 20 miles from Torry, they have a local team as well with a quite large expat following.
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: FatFreddysCat on June 27, 2011, 07:50:03 PM
All this web claptrap is gobbledigook even to me!



I bet Fred is having a ball with this thread. Clear as mud, if you ask me.
Ah yes i get where they're coming from :035: . £3k WJC? might just give you a tinkle in a few years time.
Title: Re: Re: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: MJG on June 27, 2011, 07:56:32 PM
Fredster, you can make good money selling spanish properties right now, because you are selling bargains to dreamers m8.

The other point to mention is that Estate Agents (Inmobilarios) over here, charge the seller 5%.
I would agree with that figure, I have had a job offer from a couple of agents to go and move to spain and work for them and they charge a min 3K+Euros.

Off subject slightly and aimed at our spansih residents, should I take the plunge and move over? Its the south Costa Blanca area.
Have you checked out the Torrevieja Forums MJG? I'd guess it would be somewhere around there, aand you get a lot of info on it. When i go over it will be about 20 miles from Torry, they have a local team as well with a quite large expat following.
cheers, yes its just south of there i'll be based if I do go. I'm on a couple of local forums and have got quite a bit of info from them. I have gone to the same area a few times over the last few years so have a good idea on what's going on.
I have seen Torrevieja play a couple of times and its been a good crack, even if the football is not the best standard.
Title: Re: Re: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: FatFreddysCat on June 27, 2011, 08:02:23 PM
Fredster, you can make good money selling spanish properties right now, because you are selling bargains to dreamers m8.

The other point to mention is that Estate Agents (Inmobilarios) over here, charge the seller 5%.
I would agree with that figure, I have had a job offer from a couple of agents to go and move to spain and work for them and they charge a min 3K+Euros.

Off subject slightly and aimed at our spansih residents, should I take the plunge and move over? Its the south Costa Blanca area.
Have you checked out the Torrevieja Forums MJG? I'd guess it would be somewhere around there, aand you get a lot of info on it. When i go over it will be about 20 miles from Torry, they have a local team as well with a quite large expat following.
cheers, yes its just south of there i'll be based if I do go. I'm on a couple of local forums and have got quite a bit of info from them. I have gone to the same area a few times over the last few years so have a good idea on what's going on.
I have seen Torrevieja play a couple of times and its been a good crack, even if the football is not the best standard.
Ah think i've seen your Fulham badge on there. I stayed in a lovely duplex  3 bed apartment with a lovely roof terrace in the Bellavista complex in Cabo Roig/Riog??  Not a bad neck of the woods  :54:
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: Logicalman on June 28, 2011, 05:32:04 PM

Fred,

WJC is perfectly correct in his response, if you know nothing about website creation, and that includes the coding, then don't touch it, unless you want to sit through hours of tutorials. Get a professional (and I do mean a REAL professional who does this for a living) to do it for you, for which you'll have to pay a reasonable whack.

If you're into trying things out for yourself, there are a number of free hosting/creation sites out there, example would be Office Live Small Business, from Microsoft. This allows small business, such as your own, to register and then have access to one of their small business servers to create your own website. It provides page templates, blogs, email, contact pages, etc. These are the easiest to use for the DIY enthusiast that doesn't have the time or the tools to create their own, more extensive site. The one drawback is that if you attempt to compare one of these to the more professional sites out there, then you would be disappointed. Such sites use (generally) either MySQL or MSSQL as their data storage facility.

If you want to go the whole hog and look at creating your own from the ground up (using MS VS, Adobe Fireworks or Dreamweaver) then you will need to bone up on a little programming knowledge. Web hosting sites such as GoDaddy (the one I use) are a reasonable option for small - medium sized sites, and you can register and maintain your domain there.

Knowing you as I do though, the thought of letting you loose on anything more than notepad scares the poop out of me, so call WJC when you need one built mate - my costs would be too high!!

Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: FatFreddysCat on June 28, 2011, 06:00:39 PM

Fred,

WJC is perfectly correct in his response, if you know nothing about website creation, and that includes the coding, then don't touch it, unless you want to sit through hours of tutorials. Get a professional (and I do mean a REAL professional who does this for a living) to do it for you, for which you'll have to pay a reasonable whack.

If you're into trying things out for yourself, there are a number of free hosting/creation sites out there, example would be Office Live Small Business, from Microsoft. This allows small business, such as your own, to register and then have access to one of their small business servers to create your own website. It provides page templates, blogs, email, contact pages, etc. These are the easiest to use for the DIY enthusiast that doesn't have the time or the tools to create their own, more extensive site. The one drawback is that if you attempt to compare one of these to the more professional sites out there, then you would be disappointed. Such sites use (generally) either MySQL or MSSQL as their data storage facility.

If you want to go the whole hog and look at creating your own from the ground up (using MS VS, Adobe Fireworks or Dreamweaver) then you will need to bone up on a little programming knowledge. Web hosting sites such as GoDaddy (the one I use) are a reasonable option for small - medium sized sites, and you can register and maintain your domain there.

Knowing you as I do though, the thought of letting you loose on anything more than notepad scares the poop out of me, so call WJC when you need one built mate - my costs would be too high!!


Cheers LM, but i wouldn't even dream of trying to do it myself, and if i was going to have it done i'd want a top drawer site, and to be honest i'd thought of a 15k budget for the site and loads of initial advertising and i'd allowed for more than £3k for the site. And at the moment i have no idea what notepad is :doh:. Anyhow a good few years untill this might come off so plenty of time to start having computer lessons.
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: FatFreddysCat on June 28, 2011, 06:02:03 PM
The JB French property website is actually nearer to the site i'd like than the Howards one.
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: luckykat on June 28, 2011, 06:13:33 PM
Freddie,

Only you know your capabilities, I don't. Wordpress is FREE and it would cost you nothing to at least try it. There are many free templates as well which you could try just to see if you are up to it. It's easy, I'm 67 and build my own websites; I have no technical knowledge or training. Please don't buy Dreamweaver, it's expensive and yesterday's method; and a nightmare to link to a database. If you want a copy you can have mine.

Whoever builds your site, if your site is aimed at the Spanish market (by which I mean visitors to your site live in Spain) don't buy a .com domain unless you host it in Spain. If your site's visitors are in the UK, host a dot.com in the UK but a co.uk site can be hosted anywhere. The reason is the way search engines treat the different domains in the local pages.

If you are not managing the properties but just advertising them (like Rightmove does for houses), a wordpress site can be set up so the owners manage their own pages, saving you a lot of work. I set one up (villafinders) and sold it a few years ago.
Title: Re: A bit of top level computer advise please . EQ, White JC, Admin or even the Bel
Post by: FatFreddysCat on June 28, 2011, 08:02:19 PM
Freddie,

Only you know your capabilities, I don't. Wordpress is FREE and it would cost you nothing to at least try it. There are many free templates as well which you could try just to see if you are up to it. It's easy, I'm 67 and build my own websites; I have no technical knowledge or training. Please don't buy Dreamweaver, it's expensive and yesterday's method; and a nightmare to link to a database. If you want a copy you can have mine.

Whoever builds your site, if your site is aimed at the Spanish market (by which I mean visitors to your site live in Spain) don't buy a .com domain unless you host it in Spain. If your site's visitors are in the UK, host a dot.com in the UK but a co.uk site can be hosted anywhere. The reason is the way search engines treat the different domains in the local pages.

If you are not managing the properties but just advertising them (like Rightmove does for houses), a wordpress site can be set up so the owners manage their own pages, saving you a lot of work. I set one up (villafinders) and sold it a few years ago.
Thanks luckykat but honestly i'm the thickest (laziest man) in the World when it comes to computers, i honestly didn't understand a word you just said. Anyhow as i sid  few years off yet, but just thought i'd find out the costs to see if it was doable.