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Title: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: LBNo11 on July 24, 2011, 09:26:34 PM
...in Brede Hangeland, John Arne Riise, Bjorn Helge Riise, Fulham have three Norwegian players in the team; I thought it would be a good idea to show our support and sympathy in light of recent events by bringing and showing Norwegian Flags at the Aston Villa game. I have found a cheap site to buy flags from - the cheapest (3' x 2') being just under a fiver delivered from the site below:-

http://www.flagandbuntingstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000003.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eflagandbuntingstore%2eco%2euk%2facatalog%2findex%2ehtml&WD=norway&PN=Norwegian_Flag%2ehtml%23aFLNW#aFLNW (http://www.flagandbuntingstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000003.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eflagandbuntingstore%2eco%2euk%2facatalog%2findex%2ehtml&WD=norway&PN=Norwegian_Flag%2ehtml%23aFLNW#aFLNW)

(http://www.flagandbuntingstore.co.uk/acatalog/norwegianflag.gif)





Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: FatFreddysCat on July 24, 2011, 09:43:13 PM
Great idea, would be a massive boost to the boys, and show our support for them and a chance to show our scandie supporters we care about them as well.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Sheepskin Junior on July 24, 2011, 09:44:50 PM
What about the Split game?
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: LBNo11 on July 24, 2011, 09:48:21 PM
Quote from: Sheepskin Junior on July 24, 2011, 09:44:50 PM
What about the Split game?


...I thought the Villa game would give people time to get the flags in time - especially if there is increased demand...
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: sipwell on July 24, 2011, 09:52:02 PM
If you plan to buy a bigger one, I would be willing to chip in a fiver.

Perhaps Airfix can buy a Belgian one?
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: FatFreddysCat on July 24, 2011, 09:55:16 PM
Quote from: sipwell on July 24, 2011, 09:52:02 PM
If you plan to buy a bigger one, I would be willing to chip in a fiver.

Perhaps Airfix can buy a Belgian one?
A big flag would be superb, i know the Al Fayed one never got done, but i'd give Kaz a tenner for you at the Split game if you want to do one LB.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: LBNo11 on July 24, 2011, 09:58:35 PM
...Spence, I was thinking more in terms of Fulham fans buying from a site  - like the above so that these players could see loads of Norwegian flags all around the ground - rather than one big one...
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: nevzter on July 24, 2011, 10:01:14 PM
In any event, it's a great idea.

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Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: FatFreddysCat on July 24, 2011, 10:02:47 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on July 24, 2011, 09:58:35 PM
...Spence, I was thinking more in terms of Fulham fans buying from a site  - like the above so that these players could see loads of Norwegian flags all around the ground - rather than one big one...
Yeah but i wont be at the game. Sorry LB put unwanted pressure on you there, if anyone wants to do one, and it will have to be quick, then i'll have a tenner for you at the Split game.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Sheepskin Junior on July 24, 2011, 10:03:17 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on July 24, 2011, 09:48:21 PM
Quote from: Sheepskin Junior on July 24, 2011, 09:44:50 PM
What about the Split game?


...I thought the Villa game would give people time to get the flags in time - especially if there is increased demand...
I just thought the Split game 'cos I'm not going to the Villa game
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: FatFreddysCat on July 24, 2011, 10:09:41 PM
I was actually thinking along the lines of a flag like Liams Nigerian Whites one. I think he told me it was £150, i wont go into the reasons behind the Nigeria bit, but it wasn't in support of Etuhu, although apparently he loves it. After the Villa game we could give it to the Norwegians and when one comes over for a game they could bring it with them. Might even make Brede think i never want to leave this club.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Bilet on July 24, 2011, 10:34:09 PM
Both me and Mats will be over for the Villa-game. Whatever gesture made we will be sure to take part.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: ImperialWhite on July 24, 2011, 10:38:23 PM
Great idea - I'm going to buy one. I might even buy an old Norway shirt.

http://www.toffs.com/Norway-1960s/productinfo/3055/ (http://www.toffs.com/Norway-1960s/productinfo/3055/)

White Noise, if you're behind this, do you think it might be worth trying to get support through Twitter? It would be lovely if when the team went onto the pitch they'd see hundreds of flags.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: HatterDon on July 24, 2011, 10:50:39 PM
A brilliant idea, Ed. It would be nice also to do so when clubs with Norwegian players come to the Cottage. I just checked Wiki and it seems that there are no longer any Norwegians on their books.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: mrska on July 24, 2011, 10:55:53 PM
Nice1 LB... skasies IN! 098.gif
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: ImperialWhite on July 24, 2011, 10:58:47 PM
A wee bit cheaper:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NORWAY-NORWEGIAN-FLAG-5FT-X-3FT-/170616095751?pt=UK_Flags&hash=item27b9830407#ht_500wt_1156 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NORWAY-NORWEGIAN-FLAG-5FT-X-3FT-/170616095751?pt=UK_Flags&hash=item27b9830407#ht_500wt_1156)
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Scrumpy on July 24, 2011, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on July 24, 2011, 10:58:47 PM
A wee bit cheaper:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NORWAY-NORWEGIAN-FLAG-5FT-X-3FT-/170616095751?pt=UK_Flags&hash=item27b9830407#ht_500wt_1156 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NORWAY-NORWEGIAN-FLAG-5FT-X-3FT-/170616095751?pt=UK_Flags&hash=item27b9830407#ht_500wt_1156)

Good shout Imperial. Less than £3 for a decent sized flag. Surely 20-30 Fulham fans could buy one of these each. Would create quite a sight at the Split game.

(I do tend to think that this needs to be done sooner, rather than later. I'm not sure that the significance would still be remembered (sadly) by Villa match).
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: nevzter on July 24, 2011, 11:12:43 PM
I'd be happy to buy some for folks attending the match - PM if you're interested.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Yarden on July 24, 2011, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on July 24, 2011, 09:26:34 PM
...in Brede Hangeland, John Arne Riise, Bjorn Helge Riise, Fulham have three Norwegian players in the team; I thought it would be a good idea to show our support and sympathy in light of recent events by bringing and showing Norwegian Flags at the Aston Villa game. I have found a cheap site to buy flags from - the cheapest (3' x 2') being just under a fiver delivered from the site below:-

http://www.flagandbuntingstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000003.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eflagandbuntingstore%2eco%2euk%2facatalog%2findex%2ehtml&WD=norway&PN=Norwegian_Flag%2ehtml%23aFLNW#aFLNW (http://www.flagandbuntingstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000003.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eflagandbuntingstore%2eco%2euk%2facatalog%2findex%2ehtml&WD=norway&PN=Norwegian_Flag%2ehtml%23aFLNW#aFLNW)

(http://www.flagandbuntingstore.co.uk/acatalog/norwegianflag.gif)







Great idea! +1
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: White Noise on July 24, 2011, 11:24:16 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on July 24, 2011, 10:38:23 PM
Great idea - I'm going to buy one. I might even buy an old Norway shirt.

http://www.toffs.com/Norway-1960s/productinfo/3055/ (http://www.toffs.com/Norway-1960s/productinfo/3055/)

White Noise, if you're behind this, do you think it might be worth trying to get support through Twitter? It would be lovely if when the team went onto the pitch they'd see hundreds of flags.

Agreed. Will do sir.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Scrumpy on July 24, 2011, 11:36:02 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on July 24, 2011, 10:58:47 PM
A wee bit cheaper:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NORWAY-NORWEGIAN-FLAG-5FT-X-3FT-/170616095751?pt=UK_Flags&hash=item27b9830407#ht_500wt_1156 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NORWAY-NORWEGIAN-FLAG-5FT-X-3FT-/170616095751?pt=UK_Flags&hash=item27b9830407#ht_500wt_1156)
I've just bought 2 of these for our little crew, for less than a tenner. Delivered within 3 days so should be here in good time for the split game. Plenty in stock. They're 5ft x 3ft, so can be easily held aloft by 2 people. I don't suppose the quality is great, but they should be lightweight and will get the message across. A great idea.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Airfix on July 25, 2011, 12:26:16 AM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on July 24, 2011, 10:58:47 PM
A wee bit cheaper:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NORWAY-NORWEGIAN-FLAG-5FT-X-3FT-/170616095751?pt=UK_Flags&hash=item27b9830407#ht_500wt_1156 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NORWAY-NORWEGIAN-FLAG-5FT-X-3FT-/170616095751?pt=UK_Flags&hash=item27b9830407#ht_500wt_1156)

Bought and paid for.  Will be at the Split home and AV game with it.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: LRCN on July 25, 2011, 12:43:58 AM
what a great idea this is, i agree it should be done for the split game
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: CorkedHat on July 25, 2011, 06:11:04 AM
it's times like this that makes me wish I was there with you guys. It is a great idea and I hope you all support it
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Gozorich on July 25, 2011, 07:44:12 AM
Quote from: CorkedHat on July 25, 2011, 06:11:04 AM
it's times like this that makes me wish I was there with you guys. It is a great idea and I hope you all support it

+1

Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: sipwell on July 25, 2011, 09:02:04 AM
Quote from: nevzter on July 24, 2011, 11:12:43 PM
I'd be happy to buy some for folks attending the match - PM if you're interested.


+1
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Hazey on July 25, 2011, 09:10:48 AM
More than happy to chip in here.

I got a custom made Aussie flag with FFC in the corner (over your Union Jack sorry lads), can try to find the company I used.

Top idea btw!!!
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: AlFayedsChequebook on July 25, 2011, 09:20:33 AM
WhiteNoise - have you contacted the club over this? Instead of some tacky free gift on the first game of the season, they could get in some flags to put on seats? Failing that, we could propose a minute's silence.

With Hangeland and the Riise's at the club, I am sure they would be interested.

I like the original idea, however, and will definitely get a flag.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Airfix on July 25, 2011, 10:02:59 AM
If we got a fund together, we could buy a batch of these and hand them out....

http://www.flagandbuntingstore.co.uk/acatalog/Norway_Hand_Flag.html (http://www.flagandbuntingstore.co.uk/acatalog/Norway_Hand_Flag.html)
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: WhiteJC on July 25, 2011, 10:21:35 AM
 
Craven Cottagers
Following the 2007/8, 2008/9, 2009/10 and 2010/11 seasons at Craven Cottage - recounted by season ticket holders who aren't actually Fulham fans.

Supporting Norway
There's a thread on Friends of Fulham encouraging people to pick up Norway flags to fly at the home game against Split next week as a way of showing solidarity with the club's three Norweigan players; Brede Hangeland and the Riises. After the absolutely horrendous events in Oslo and Utoeya island last weekend, it's a good way for the support to show the players that the victims in their homeland have our sympathy.
Flags can be picked up for less than £3 here (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NORWAY-NORWEGIAN-FLAG-5FT-X-3FT-/170616095751?pt=UK_Flags&hash=item27b9830407#ht_500wt_1156)



http://cottagers.blogspot.com/2011/07/supporting-norway.html? (http://cottagers.blogspot.com/2011/07/supporting-norway.html?)
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: theo on July 25, 2011, 10:22:34 AM
Just bought one, and about to order another one. Will be at the Split game with a couple of Norwegian mates who are coming down to visit, but unfortunately can't make the Villa game. Great idea by LB.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Vinnieffc on July 25, 2011, 10:31:35 AM
Great idea - flag ordered.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Aspen on July 25, 2011, 10:55:30 AM
Flag ordered - will bring to both games - a tragic event one can not comprehend - a friends daughter was ill did not travel to Utoeya a lucky escape 
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: finnster01 on July 25, 2011, 10:55:50 AM
Big Norwegian flag ordered and will fly out my window in NY during the game. I don't care if the police comes and ask me to take it down. They'll have to do it themselves.


COYW and COYNorwegians!!!
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: filbertfish on July 25, 2011, 11:08:23 AM
Just ordered a flag, good to see all the support.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: WhiteJC on July 25, 2011, 11:22:40 AM
some of you may know that I'm a web/graphic designer, I've just come across this on dribble (design site)...

(http://dribbble.com/system/users/628/screenshots/220229/norway.jpg?1311556620)
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: AlFayedsChequebook on July 25, 2011, 12:30:11 PM
Just bought mine, look forward to showing my support in a few weeks
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: theo on July 25, 2011, 01:45:42 PM
Really appreciate the Norwegian flag on the sites banner, cheers guys.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: RidgeRider on July 25, 2011, 07:39:29 PM
I think this thread is one of the reasons why this board is such a good place. Great idea from LB and can't wait to see all the Norwegian flags flying at the Cottage at the split game.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: LordNelson on July 25, 2011, 08:57:18 PM
Should it be Norske or Nordmenn?
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Bilet on July 25, 2011, 08:59:14 PM
Nordmenn or Norske. Both is used.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Yarden on July 25, 2011, 09:23:23 PM
Video from Oslo today when 150 000 people came together to remember those who lost their lives.

http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=42472 (http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=42472)
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: White Noise on July 25, 2011, 10:35:11 PM
LBNo11's great idea has been very well received by Fulham fans on Twitter, on Cottage Corner and by some on TIFF. Plenty of fans saying they have now bought their flags. It sounds like quite a lot will take them to the Split game at The Cottage on Thursday while others are planning to do so at The Villa game on the 13th.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: ImperialWhite on July 25, 2011, 10:49:13 PM
Bought mine - looks like nearly 40 have been sold since I posted my link.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: zzamora on July 25, 2011, 11:11:17 PM
this is why fulham fans are the greatest in england, and why i am proud to support such an amazing club.

I salute all of you.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: HammyH3 on July 26, 2011, 01:45:43 AM
Bought mine for Split at home. Great idea LB
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: FP on July 26, 2011, 01:55:42 AM
You people are so wonderful.
I'll get a flag tomorrow and it will be with me during the whole week in Montevideo.
Great idea LB, thank you
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Vinnieffc on July 26, 2011, 09:40:16 AM
 :bump:
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: theo on July 26, 2011, 09:43:44 AM
Two norwegian flags and a Norway national team shirt (been meaning to buy one for ages) are making their way to me as we speak, if you see a rather emotional looking blonde guy in a Norway shirt at the split game, with a special one and a giant in tow, come say hi.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: WhiteJC on July 26, 2011, 09:54:51 AM
my flag has just arrived!
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: AlFayedsChequebook on July 26, 2011, 09:56:37 AM
I can't make the Split game as I will be in the US, are people still taking them to the Villa game?
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: theo on July 26, 2011, 09:58:34 AM
On the subject of the Split game, is anyone else not able to pick their own seats for it? I only have Quick Seats available on the site, and they keep trying to put me right at the front on Hammy end, might have to sit in another section if this continues.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: ImperialWhite on July 26, 2011, 10:07:01 AM
Quote from: theo on July 26, 2011, 09:58:34 AM
On the subject of the Split game, is anyone else not able to pick their own seats for it? I only have Quick Seats available on the site, and they keep trying to put me right at the front on Hammy end, might have to sit in another section if this continues.

Me too. My guess is that the attendance won't be enormous, so you'll be able to sit where you like.

Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on July 26, 2011, 09:56:37 AM
I can't make the Split game as I will be in the US, are people still taking them to the Villa game?

I think the plan is both. The advantage of the Villa game is that there will be a greater attendance and MOTD exposure (possibly). But the Split game is the first one since the tragedy, so that will be where the main focus is.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: LRCN on July 26, 2011, 11:38:00 AM
put up a post on hammy end mate

http://hammyend.com/index.php/2011/07/norway-flags-at-the-cottage/ (http://hammyend.com/index.php/2011/07/norway-flags-at-the-cottage/)
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: BB on July 26, 2011, 11:42:45 AM
My Norwegian Flag, has arrived this morning......

Well done Royal Mail!!! 077.gif
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Nick the Swede on July 26, 2011, 12:19:25 PM
Quote from: Lork on July 26, 2011, 11:38:00 AM
put up a post on hammy end mate

http://hammyend.com/index.php/2011/07/norway-flags-at-the-cottage/ (http://hammyend.com/index.php/2011/07/norway-flags-at-the-cottage/)

Dito on FFCSweden.se:
http://ffcsweden.se/?q=node/252 (http://ffcsweden.se/?q=node/252)
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: FFC Me on July 26, 2011, 12:33:42 PM
Whilst I can understand the sentiment in doing this, to me I feel it may come across to others as us saying 'oh arnt we a great bunch' Are those affected in Norway actually going to see any of this or care about it? All these fivers spent on flags could have been better placed in a fund for the victims families, something which could actually make a difference. No matter what we do, thankfully we are unlikely to ever feel thier pain. I hope im wrong but I cant see what good it will achive dispite the best intensions.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: CorkedHat on July 26, 2011, 12:41:47 PM
Quote from: FFC Me on July 26, 2011, 12:33:42 PM
Whilst I can understand the sentiment in doing this, to me I feel it may come across to others as us saying 'oh arnt we a great bunch' Are those affected in Norway actually going to see any of this or care about it? All these fivers spent on flags could have been better placed in a fund for the victims families, something which could actually make a difference. No matter what we do, thankfully we are unlikely to ever feel thier pain. I hope im wrong but I cant see what good it will achive dispite the best intensions.

Not only will Hangeland and Riise (if one or both plays) will see them and this is very important. If there are enough flags they will be shown on Norwegian TV News and You Tube. I have posted this on Facebook and many Norwegian students that I had the privilege of teaching at Uni have PM'd me to say how grateful they are that my football team cares enough to do this.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: AlFayedsChequebook on July 26, 2011, 01:06:50 PM
Quote from: FFC Me on July 26, 2011, 12:33:42 PM
Whilst I can understand the sentiment in doing this, to me I feel it may come across to others as us saying 'oh arnt we a great bunch' Are those affected in Norway actually going to see any of this or care about it? All these fivers spent on flags could have been better placed in a fund for the victims families, something which could actually make a difference. No matter what we do, thankfully we are unlikely to ever feel thier pain. I hope im wrong but I cant see what good it will achive dispite the best intensions.

Negative, negative, negative.

It will not bring anyone back, but it could help to heal the pain that many are feeling.

If something terrible happened to you, would you not be happy if someone randomly came up to you on the street and offered you a show of support?

Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: theo on July 26, 2011, 01:16:35 PM
I have had nothing but great respones from my friends back home when I've told them of the plan to show the flags, it is just a chance for people outside of Norway to show solidarity and that they too feel for their losses. It's a message of international love and compassion, totally in tune with the way the Norwegian people have responded to this tragedy.  It will be noticed and appreciated, trust me on that. I've even had more than one friend tell me to take pictures so I could share it with them.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Scrumpy on July 26, 2011, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: FFC Me on July 26, 2011, 12:33:42 PM
Whilst I can understand the sentiment in doing this, to me I feel it may come across to others as us saying 'oh arnt we a great bunch' Are those affected in Norway actually going to see any of this or care about it? All these fivers spent on flags could have been better placed in a fund for the victims families, something which could actually make a difference. No matter what we do, thankfully we are unlikely to ever feel thier pain. I hope im wrong but I cant see what good it will achive dispite the best intensions.

Fair comments FFC Me, but if the response from the half a dozen Norwegian FOFF members is anything to go by, it will be well received in Norway. We're certainly not trying to smuggly blow our own trumpets, but I can see how it might come over that way. For me, I wouldn't do it if we did not have any Norwegian players. But we have 3 great professionals who are all Norwegian. We must have more than, or as many as, any other team in the Premiership. I think it reflects well on FFC fans that they are not just sitting by and saying 'what's the point?', they're doing something.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: ImperialWhite on July 26, 2011, 01:44:27 PM
We have three Norwegian players (one of whom I imagine will be remembered for a long time by Fulham fans) - if it shows that we care then it  is worthwhile doing.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: finnster01 on July 26, 2011, 02:20:14 PM
This is the least we can do. Given our strong Scandinavian support, the players, etc. This was a crime against humanity as a whole, and if we can not show our support and respect then something is very wrong with us.

COYW!!
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Papa on July 26, 2011, 03:04:21 PM
Fantastic idea. I support it wholeheartedly and have just bought two flags.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: FFC Me on July 26, 2011, 03:09:07 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on July 26, 2011, 01:06:50 PM
Quote from: FFC Me on July 26, 2011, 12:33:42 PM
Whilst I can understand the sentiment in doing this, to me I feel it may come across to others as us saying 'oh arnt we a great bunch' Are those affected in Norway actually going to see any of this or care about it? All these fivers spent on flags could have been better placed in a fund for the victims families, something which could actually make a difference. No matter what we do, thankfully we are unlikely to ever feel thier pain. I hope im wrong but I cant see what good it will achive dispite the best intensions.

Negative, negative, negative.

It will not bring anyone back, but it could help to heal the pain that many are feeling.

If something terrible happened to you, would you not be happy if someone randomly came up to you on the street and offered you a show of support?



Given the comments from those who have spoken to people in Norway then hopefully it will be seen in the way it is intended. I personally feel that a donantion to any charity for the benifit of those effected would be a better choice, however everyone has thier own views.

The second point you made, I have been through something horrible in the past 2 years which made the papers, as much as the ramdom persons intentions were good, all they did was upset my young daughter more. As I have said, nothing against those who think it is a good idea, the intentions are good, just trying to give the other side without the mud slinging
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: AlFayedsChequebook on July 26, 2011, 03:17:51 PM
Quote from: FFC Me on July 26, 2011, 03:09:07 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on July 26, 2011, 01:06:50 PM
Quote from: FFC Me on July 26, 2011, 12:33:42 PM
Whilst I can understand the sentiment in doing this, to me I feel it may come across to others as us saying 'oh arnt we a great bunch' Are those affected in Norway actually going to see any of this or care about it? All these fivers spent on flags could have been better placed in a fund for the victims families, something which could actually make a difference. No matter what we do, thankfully we are unlikely to ever feel thier pain. I hope im wrong but I cant see what good it will achive dispite the best intensions.

Negative, negative, negative.

It will not bring anyone back, but it could help to heal the pain that many are feeling.

If something terrible happened to you, would you not be happy if someone randomly came up to you on the street and offered you a show of support?



Given the comments from those who have spoken to people in Norway then hopefully it will be seen in the way it is intended. I personally feel that a donantion to any charity for the benifit of those effected would be a better choice, however everyone has thier own views.

The second point you made, I have been through something horrible in the past 2 years which made the papers, as much as the ramdom persons intentions were good, all they did was upset my young daughter more. As I have said, nothing against those who think it is a good idea, the intentions are good, just trying to give the other side without the mud slinging

This is one of the few occasions where money is not needed, so I cant quite see the donation to charity angle.

Fair enough for giving the other side, but it just seems like a nice thing to do that shows humanity, rather than just dismissing it out of hand because some people see it as naff (not saying you are doing this)
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: FFC Me on July 26, 2011, 03:34:25 PM
on the money side, this was just normall kids, not just those of the rich. There is a cost to the funerals etc but more so to the parents of those who have been killed. If it was my own flesh and blood im not sure that I would cope let alone be able to carry on with work. This could have further repricasions for the family members who have already been put through hell.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: RidgeRider on July 26, 2011, 03:40:39 PM
at the end of the day there are always channels to show your support. The flags are a heartfelt gesture of solidarity and compassion as would any donation be to off-set the enormous costs of burying so many victims. Both choices are good ones and in my opinion, neither should be questioned as to what impact they may have or if one is better than the other, they are just choices
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Bilet on July 26, 2011, 03:55:28 PM
I think the gesture here is fitting. This is just my point of view. A charity and donations of money is not what is needed now. A act of sympathy and fellow understanding is what we should want to show.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: theo on July 26, 2011, 03:56:36 PM
Like RidgeRider said, there's no wrong or right way to show your support when it comes to either showing flags or giving money.

And I am certain that the gesture with the flags won't be taken the wrong way by people in Norway. As many people, including myself, have said, it is something that shows humanity and solidarity and fits in with the general feeling of love and compassion that permeates Norway right now.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Wish on July 26, 2011, 03:57:46 PM
Great gesture and I 100% support it. Unfortunately I cannot make it to either game so please make sure lots of photos are available.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Mitch on July 26, 2011, 06:54:53 PM
http://gunkies.org/blog/?p=91 (http://gunkies.org/blog/?p=91) Can suggest you read this. A first hand account.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: HammyH3 on July 27, 2011, 12:46:07 AM
Bump :bump: :bump: :bump:
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: nevzter on July 27, 2011, 01:35:41 AM
Quote from: Mitch on July 26, 2011, 06:54:53 PM
http://gunkies.org/blog/?p=91 (http://gunkies.org/blog/?p=91) Can suggest you read this. A first hand account.

Too heartbreaking for additional words.

And my initial offer stands - if anybody wants to carry a flag into the Cottage, please PM me.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: theo on July 27, 2011, 10:10:34 AM
Magnus Eliassen og Kråkesølv «Til dem du e glad i» (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv3IxmpmmYA#ws) this is more for the Norwegians on here, beautiful song. "Tell the ones you love" is the translation of the title. Written after the attacks.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Yarden on July 27, 2011, 12:50:40 PM
As I have told LB i have contacted a Norwegian newspaper called "Dagbladet" about this. They seemed interested and will probably make a story out of it. So get this out to as many as possible so we get alot of flags. I`m sure Hangeland and the Riise guys would really appeciate this!

I feel really bad I can`t be there myself since i got work in Norway on thursday so there is no way I`m going to make it. But I`m going to watch you all online on stream!
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: FFC Norway on July 27, 2011, 02:14:47 PM
As the leader of the norwegian supporters club, I was interviewed by dagbladet this morning. They will also interviw LBNo11. Will post the link when the story is out.

I cant make the split game, but I`m over for the villa game.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Yarden on July 27, 2011, 04:01:24 PM
Quote from: FFC Norway on July 27, 2011, 02:14:47 PM
As the leader of the norwegian supporters club, I was interviewed by dagbladet this morning. They will also interviw LBNo11. Will post the link when the story is out.

I cant make the split game, but I`m over for the villa game.

+1 Good to see they did the story!
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: olly101 on July 27, 2011, 05:30:38 PM
I will be at the Split game with a Norwegian flag. A great idea this all is, especially as we have the most Norwegian players in the league out of all the clubs
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: olly101 on July 27, 2011, 05:31:28 PM
Just so we can get a rough idea on numbers so far - who will, 100% at this point, be at the Split game and have a Norwegian flag?

( I might take a few flags to hand out)
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: LBNo11 on July 27, 2011, 05:58:41 PM
...first of all welcome to FoF olly101; My flag arrives on Monday 1st August (I hope) I will definately be taking it for the Villa game, but not sure about the RNK Split match yet.

It is difficult to gauge, but I don't expect there to be much more than 50 flags, that should be enough to show our Norwegian players that some of us share their grief - if there are more it will be fantastic...
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: BestOfBrede on July 27, 2011, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on July 27, 2011, 05:58:41 PM
...first of all welcome to FoF olly101; My flag arrives on Monday 1st August (I hope) I will definately be taking it for the Villa game, but not sure about the RNK Split match yet.

It is difficult to gauge, but I don't expect there to be much more than 50 flags, that should be enough to show our Norwegian players that some of us share their grief - if there are more it will be fantastic...
I wish I could be there - I would definately support this gesture.
I understand where some feel it's not the best way to show solidarity, but after seeing all the people in Oslo coming out to stand together, I think this will show they're not alone.
A minutes silence, before kick-off, wouldn't go amiss and even candles - although the Thames breeze would probably kill that idea!
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Scrumpy on July 27, 2011, 09:47:18 PM
Quote from: olly101 on July 27, 2011, 05:31:28 PM
Just so we can get a rough idea on numbers so far - who will, 100% at this point, be at the Split game and have a Norwegian flag?

( I might take a few flags to hand out)
Yep - me and 3 others going with 2 flags between us. I think handing out flags is a nice idea.

Have a look through previous posts to get an idea of numbers. I'm not sure everyone will dip back into this thread to confirm that they're going or not.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Airfix on July 27, 2011, 10:49:15 PM
Got mine.  Ready to use it.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: theo on July 28, 2011, 12:00:28 AM
Will be there with two norwegian friends and two flags between us, on Riverside.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: White Noise on July 28, 2011, 07:30:49 AM
Plenty on board from the official site -

http://cc.fulhamfc.com/forum/topics/fill-the-cottage-with-norway (http://cc.fulhamfc.com/forum/topics/fill-the-cottage-with-norway)

http://cc.fulhamfc.com/forum/topics/club-please-read-norway-flag (http://cc.fulhamfc.com/forum/topics/club-please-read-norway-flag)
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Tina on July 28, 2011, 11:39:05 AM
Hello there

I have 2 5x3ft flags, one will be with me in H6 (behind the stairs) and other in H5 (lower section) with a friend for the Split game

Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Yarden on July 28, 2011, 12:25:16 PM
http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/28/sport/premier_league/fulham/john_arne_riise/17466882/ (http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/28/sport/premier_league/fulham/john_arne_riise/17466882/)

John Arne Riise about the Norwegian flags in the stadium next thursday.

Headline reads: Fulham fans wants to honour victims with Norwegian flags
Riise- A initiative we really apreciate!

I would translate the rest but I`m at work so hopefully someone else can do it
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: theo on July 28, 2011, 12:57:19 PM
Did a quick translation of the whole text, sorry for any mistakes you may find, I take no responsibility ;) :

The Premier League kicks off on the 13th of august and supporters in England have expressed their wish to mark last Fridays tragedy.

The fans of Fulham want to show their support by bringing Norwegian flags to the clubs home ground, Craven Cottage.
The leader of Fulham Supporters Club Norway confirms this to Dagbladet.

-The British supporters have taken this initiative. They are going to buy Norwegian flags to show that they care. As a Norwegian this is really nice to see, says the supporter leader Bjørnstad. 

The Norwegian flags will be shown by a host of fans for both the Europa League qualifier against RNK Split next week, and the first league game of the season against Aston Villa, at the stadium where both Bjørn Helge Riise, John Arne Riise and Hangeland play.

Stirs up emotions

The Norwegian Support leader has been contacted by several British fans who wish to express their sympathy.

-Fulham is almost a half Norwegian club. Several English fans have contacted me to ask me how people in Norway would react to this kind of gesture. This has obviously stirred up emotions in England, and I have said it would be a very nice way to show their support, Bjørnstad says.

Appreciated initiative

John Arne Riise and the rest of the Fulham squad arrived in Croatia on Wednesday and are playing a Europa League game against RNK Split tonight.

Riise tells Dagbladet that he is moved by the supporters involvement.

-It warmed my heart when I was told of this initiative from the English Fulham fans, and it is an initiative that we really appreciate. All our thoughts go out to the people and families that have been affected by the tragic events. We will never forget them, Riise tells Dagbladet.

-It's amazing to hear about all the sympathy the Norwegian people are getting from all over the world. These tragic events will hopefully bring people closer together, make them take even better care of each other and give us an even stronger belief in the values that we know are right.

Received many reactions

Riise recently signed for Fulham and the national team player has been contacted by many of his former team mates. On his private blogg, Riise writes:

-Many of my former team mates at Roma and Liverpool have sent me texts where they say they are shocked by what happened. Many of our team mates at Fulham have talked about how incredibly sad it is. I've also received emails from all over the world, Riise writes.

- Football and sport becomes so meaningless at times like this. I am a professional footballer and I train when I am told to, but my mind is elsewhere.

The idea to bring flags to the game was conceived on an internet forum, and now, a short time later, many supporters have bought their Norwegian flags online.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: epsomraver on July 28, 2011, 01:22:56 PM
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Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Hazey on July 28, 2011, 02:26:45 PM
Just bought mine, now need to sort out a ticket or two to the game.

Will be in H6, half way up approx...
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Aspen on July 28, 2011, 02:35:54 PM
Flag arrived - hopefully getting tickets tomorrow for Putney end P4 row Z
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: LBNo11 on July 28, 2011, 05:17:11 PM
...my flag has arrived now too. It appears that my guess of about 50 flags around the ground may well be exceeded. I hope in some way it all helps the healing process...
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: theo on July 29, 2011, 09:39:13 AM
 :bump:
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: epsomraver on July 29, 2011, 01:22:42 PM
Hand held flags, £3.30 inc postage, might suit those who may find the bigger flags a bit too much. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280690821817&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_500wt_922 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280690821817&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_500wt_922)
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Whiteroom on July 29, 2011, 02:09:19 PM
Is it definitely ok to bring a big flag to a game? No problems with the pole or anything?
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: LBNo11 on July 29, 2011, 02:12:23 PM
Quote from: Whiteroom on July 29, 2011, 02:09:19 PM
Is it definitely ok to bring a big flag to a game? No problems with the pole or anything?

...all nationalities are welcome..!

:dft012:
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: epsomraver on July 29, 2011, 03:07:06 PM
I was just going to say that he will probably sorting out someone's U bend and cannot make it! :005:
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: JBH on July 29, 2011, 03:18:18 PM
Just emailed the club with the following, I thought it was worth a try.

Hi

I don't know if it has been discussed by the club but after the tragic occurence in Norway  a few dozen fans will be displaying their support for our Norweign Players and the people of Norway by taking the Flag of Norway to the games v Split and Aston Villa.

Could the club follow suit by issuing clappers with the flag of Norway on them at the 1st premiership home game of the season v Aston Villa so that all of the fans could show their unity and pay their respect?
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: White Noise on July 30, 2011, 07:24:24 AM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3722793/John-Arne-Riise-rocked-by-Norway-massacre.html



John Arne Riise rocked by Norway massacre


By ANDREW DILLON


Published: Today


Fulham's left-back is one of three Norwegians at the club and says the game means 'nothing' in comparison to the Utoya Island shootings and the bomb blast in Oslo which left 77 people dead last week.

The ex-Liverpool star, 30, should be concentrating on settling in at Craven Cottage and preparing for gruelling domestic and Europa League campaigns.

But he said: "When I'm in training I try to stay focused but it has been very hard. Friday particularly. Norway has always been one of the safest countries in the world where we all stick together.

"Football's not important at a time like this after what has happened to so many young and innocent people.

"It's put everything in perspective and football means nothing at all. My thoughts are with the families who have lost loved ones."

Riise made his second appearance since completing a £2.3million move from Roma in Thursday's goalless draw against RNK Split.

Younger brother Bjorn Helge and Brede Hangeland make up Fulham's Norwegian trio.

Riise added: "We will all be together soon with the national team. We have to do something. We can help people and support them."

Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: watfordwhite on July 31, 2011, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: JBH on July 29, 2011, 03:18:18 PM
Just emailed the club with the following, I thought it was worth a try.

Hi

I don't know if it has been discussed by the club but after the tragic occurence in Norway  a few dozen fans will be displaying their support for our Norweign Players and the people of Norway by taking the Flag of Norway to the games v Split and Aston Villa.

Could the club follow suit by issuing clappers with the flag of Norway on them at the 1st premiership home game of the season v Aston Villa so that all of the fans could show their unity and pay their respect?

065.gif good idea  :54:

Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: BB on July 31, 2011, 03:43:20 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on July 28, 2011, 01:22:56 PM
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Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: epsomraver on July 31, 2011, 03:54:41 PM
Yes but near a fiver for postage
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: NorfolkJim on August 01, 2011, 11:55:03 AM
This is such a good thing to be doing - I wont be able to come to the split game as I'm working security on of all things a summer youth camp, but I hope you post plenty of pictures / video on the Web and theres always the Aston Villa game.
Surely the club will agree to the game being a flag day and let people bring in poles for the flags. It's always been OTT in my opinion that the stewards confiscate poles - its not like we are that likely to start belting into each other with them, is it?
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: kewbridgeffc on August 01, 2011, 12:01:09 PM
My fiance and I will be bringing a large flag and will be sitting in the front row of Johnny Haynes near the half way line so it should be quite visible.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Vinnieffc on August 01, 2011, 02:48:13 PM
Got mine and will be in the Riverside near to the Hammy End near the top..
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: LBNo11 on August 03, 2011, 06:00:13 PM
...just a reminder, and a reminder:-

http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=14125.0 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=14125.0)

Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: BestOfBrede on August 03, 2011, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: NorfolkJim on August 01, 2011, 11:55:03 AM
This is such a good thing to be doing - I wont be able to come to the split game as I'm working security on of all things a summer youth camp, but I hope you post plenty of pictures / video on the Web and theres always the Aston Villa game.
Surely the club will agree to the game being a flag day and let people bring in poles for the flags. It's always been OTT in my opinion that the stewards confiscate poles - its not like we are that likely to start belting into each other with them, is it?
Quote from: kewbridgeffc on August 01, 2011, 12:01:09 PM
My fiance and I will be bringing a large flag and will be sitting in the front row of Johnny Haynes near the half way line so it should be quite visible.
Kewbridge - Once married for a few years NorfolkJim may have to revoke that statement! :005:
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: HatterDon on August 03, 2011, 10:53:34 PM
I don't know if it means anything to you, but I'm very proud of you guys for doing this -- especially Ed who thunk it up. I'm fairly certain my fellahMerikans are also proud of you.

Here's to peace and healing in Norway!!!!  065.gif
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: finnster01 on August 04, 2011, 12:34:01 AM
Quote from: HatterDon on August 03, 2011, 10:53:34 PM
I don't know if it means anything to you, but I'm very proud of you guys for doing this -- especially Ed who thunk it up. I'm fairly certain my fellahMerikans are also proud of you.

Here's to peace and healing in Norway!!!!  065.gif

Second that. What is there not to be proud of that?

I can't be at the Cottage, but during match hours a big Norwegian flag will tastefully be flying out of my window in West Harlem.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: bizarrebaz on August 04, 2011, 08:22:32 AM
My girls have made their own Norway flag and will be showing it tonight at cottage a they are away for the Villa game. We' ll be in johnny Haynes upper
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: epsomraver on August 04, 2011, 12:04:58 PM
Small tasteful flags x 2 JH D block row A
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Airfix on August 04, 2011, 12:11:16 PM
Back of H6.  5' x 3'.  I plan to go out at lunch and get some white sticky lettering as I'd like to put "Vi vil huske dem" (We will remember them) on it.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: filbertfish on August 04, 2011, 12:26:57 PM
We'll be in P3 with ours.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: filbertfish on August 04, 2011, 12:28:02 PM
Quote from: bizarrebaz on August 04, 2011, 08:22:32 AM
My girls have made their own Norway flag and will be showing it tonight at cottage a they are away for the Villa game. We' ll be in johnny Haynes upper
Did they put a picture of it on twitter? Looked really good if so.
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: Scrumpy on August 04, 2011, 01:14:35 PM
Two 5' x 3' Flags in H5. 065.gif
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: LBNo11 on August 08, 2011, 12:35:21 PM
...well it was good to see some 35 -40 fans made the effort to bring their Norwegian flags - of course counting the low attendance and the many tourists that is close to my original estimation.

Hopefully with a bigger attendance and more regular ticket holders we will see double the turn-out - or more, which would be a nice way to show the fans care...
Title: Re: Norway flag day at Craven Cottage..?
Post by: WhiteJC on August 08, 2011, 12:46:37 PM
Quote from: bizarrebaz on August 04, 2011, 08:22:32 AM
My girls have made their own Norway flag and will be showing it tonight at cottage a they are away for the Villa game. We' ll be in johnny Haynes upper

I believe I was sitting in front of you