Arsenal: Mannone, Sagna, Koscielny, Mertesacker, Vermaelen, Coquelin, Arteta, Cazorla, Walcott, Podolski, Giroud.
Subs: Szczesny, Jenkinson, Santos, Ramsey, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Arshavin, Chamakh.
Fulham: Schwarzer; Riether, Hangeland, Hughes, Riise; Dejagah, Baird, Sidwell, Richardson; Ruiz, Berbatov
Subs: Stockdale, Senderos, Karagounis, Petric, Kacaniklic, Rodallega, Duff
http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=176206&part=sports (http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=176206&part=sports)
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=25953.0 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=25953.0)
FFC starting XI: Schwarzer; Riether, Hangeland, Hughes, Riise; Dejagah, Baird, Sidwell, Richardson; Ruiz, Berbatov
Can't tell if that's 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-1-1 for us
Santos not starting :(
And no "away Kaca" .... and the most important thing...no Diarra.
bench?
Quote from: Mr Fulham on November 10, 2012, 02:18:18 PM
And no "away Kaca" .... and the most important thing...no Diarra.
yes,looking forawrd to seeing dejagah though. cant see sidders and baird combo lasting the 90. havent really been impressed with it once
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on November 10, 2012, 02:17:59 PM
Can't tell if that's 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-1-1 for us
4 4 1 1 with richardson doing the dempsey role. ie, everywhere but on the left where he should be
stockdale senderous the greek petric kaca hugo and duff
So Duff sub so no injury. But our central midfield is a real problem as predicted way back during the transfer window. Still if we can go forward and can hold onto the ball we can be good. How we are going to get hold of it is the real problem.
No Diarra-weak midfield -worried.
Looking at that line- up, we need a huge game from Richardson.
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 10, 2012, 02:32:32 PM
So Duff sub so no injury. But our central midfield is a real problem as predicted way back during the transfer window. Still if we can go forward and can hold onto the ball we can be good. How we are going to get hold of it is the real problem.
diarra is a loss, but i would have gone with sidders over baird in this one due to his mobility. might not be as bad as we fear.
Quote from: Fernhurst on November 10, 2012, 02:37:43 PM
Looking at that line- up, we need a huge game from Richardson.
Agreed.
Though is he playing on the left or do we have 3 in CM ?
Quote from: west kowloon white on November 10, 2012, 02:34:49 PM
No Diarra-weak midfield -worried.
I feel the same, I'm not too happy that Walcott is starting for Aresnal either, I think he could punish us.
Gutted with regards to no Diarra, looking forward to seeing Dejagah attack Vermaelen. That central midfield area is not good enough to outpass Arsenal, I'm just hoping Baird and Sidwell can break up play and give it to the more technically gifted players in Ruiz, Dejagah and Berbatov. Richardson will provide Riise with good cover, especially with 'rejuvenated' Walcott. If Jol has got his tactics right, we're looking good for a point, and more if luck is on our side.
Hey, if Celtic can beat Barcelona...
Quote from: Riverside on November 10, 2012, 02:40:31 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on November 10, 2012, 02:37:43 PM
Looking at that line- up, we need a huge game from Richardson.
Agreed.
Though is he playing on the left or do we have 3 in CM ?
will be left, no way will jol let theo have a free run at riise
Good line-up, I'm a bit "oo-err" about Richardson starting. He needs to have a good game. Diarra is a big loss but we have George on the bench.
Subs I can see coming on are: George, Rodallega and Duff. George for Sidwell, Rodallega for Richardson and Duff for Dejagah.
Duff travelled, they showed him on TV walking in behind Schwartz
Quote from: aFFCn_Fan on November 10, 2012, 02:46:39 PM
Duff travelled, they showed him on TV walking in behind Schwartz
On the bench
Quote from: H3Matt on November 10, 2012, 02:45:58 PM
Good line-up, I'm a bit "oo-err" about Richardson starting.
I would've been a bit "oo-err" about Kaca starting. Richardson has played left back at Sunderland and will most likely operate as a second left back to keep Walcott at bay.
Looking at the teams, we are going to get dominated in the CM area which will,force Ruiz back, leaving Berbatov stranded.
Worrying comparison of lineups but you never know! COYW
COYW. :scarf:
Big chance for Richardson, its all been a bit stop start since he joined and a lot of doubts about what he brings to the squad.
What's to worry about?
Anything other than a loss will be a big plus.
Sit back, relax and lets see how we play
started well passing it around.
Dem Berba touches.
Maca on ESPN drooling over Berba's few touches and play so far.
Why is Jol so in love with bloody Richardson?
Duff is 10x the player Kieran is, always has been and always will be. Should have started Duff on the left and Dejagah on the right...
Arsenal doing what Everton did to us..Pressing the back four to stop them passing out.
great, another corner.... noone at the near post
Hughes lost his man.
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on November 10, 2012, 03:11:39 PM
great, another corner....
Yup, another corner. Another goal!
We're so Sh*t at defending set pieces that even Arsenal (Giroud!) can score them.
What is it with us and corners. So many players ball watching
Quote from: MJG on November 10, 2012, 03:09:16 PM
Arsenal doing what Everton did to us..Pressing the back four to stop them passing out.
I think sometimes we are in danger of over passing!!
Our defending from set-pieces has been a shambles this season.
set pieces are becoming a problem
We are so effing good at defending at set pieces.
Giroud imitated Bairdinho's two recent Fulham goals. Damn!
Senderos part of the solution ?
Robbie Fowler, BBC Final Score
"It's a good header from Giroud, who ran across his man. A good goal, and you can't blame the defence there."
Quote from: grandad on November 10, 2012, 03:16:17 PM
Robbie Fowler, BBC Final Score
"It's a good header from Giroud, who ran across his man. A good goal, and you can't blame the defence there."
Well Hughes lost his man, so technically you can blame the defence
all this passing is nice but we are not making it productive.
Quote from: Riverside on November 10, 2012, 03:16:04 PM
Senderos part of the solution ?
no, it's not players, this is management.
And Richardson pulls up. Do we have a new sicknote?
great one promising pass into space and Richardson injured.....
what the hell are our defenders doing... just standing there watching....
on another note Arsenal's fans are such a joke... its like a funeral apart from the Fulham chants
I think that's that now, already.
And another one... embarrassing defending, absolutely abysmal.
hughes doesn't move.
oh FFS . Why do I even bother watching us at Arsenal.
Damage limitation time again.
*turns off stream*
Quote from: Classic94 on November 10, 2012, 03:24:10 PM
And another one... embarrassing defending, absolutely abysmal.
Richardson should have stayed down until the sub was ready surely????
Why did that change come on so slowly!? They scored against 10 man
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Our defence continue to ball watch but why in Gods name dodn't we have the sub ready when Richardson went off. Awful defence this season and players not covering.
Quote from: JustOverTheRiver on November 10, 2012, 03:24:22 PM
hughes doesn't move.
He's not been quite good enough for a while, but fans favourites rarely take criticism.
Defence is all over the place. Hughes off Senderos on please.
badly
I think Hughes and Hangeland have been very poor this season.
Here we go again. Poor team selection, poor tactics, poor movement on defense, no pace, no clue on offense..why should we expect anything else? Richardson doesn't look like much of a signing now, does he?
Quote from: BillNRoc on November 10, 2012, 03:27:37 PM
Richardson doesn't look like much of a signing now, does he?
Richardson never looked like much of a signing...
whats poor about the selection? or should we have started with 2 dif players at the centre of defence?
Quote from: JustOverTheRiver on November 10, 2012, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: BillNRoc on November 10, 2012, 03:27:37 PM
Richardson doesn't look like much of a signing now, does he?
Richardson never looked like much of a signing...
the bloke just pulled up with an injury. Classy criticism fellas.
Now Arsenal shocking from set pieces, 2-1. Come on!
Our defence and midfield just isn't good enough.
And berbatov gives us all hope.
Not just us with the poor defence then. We need to attack them more directly
Quote from: michaelread on November 10, 2012, 03:29:27 PM
Quote from: JustOverTheRiver on November 10, 2012, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: BillNRoc on November 10, 2012, 03:27:37 PM
Richardson doesn't look like much of a signing now, does he?
Richardson never looked like much of a signing...
the bloke just pulled up with an injury. Classy criticism fellas.
:plus one: What exactly has he done wrong there?
Berbatov pulls in the lead of our scoring chart
Is there hope!? C'mon Berba!
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Can anyone in this league defend corners?
Quote from: michaelread on November 10, 2012, 03:29:27 PM
Quote from: JustOverTheRiver on November 10, 2012, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: BillNRoc on November 10, 2012, 03:27:37 PM
Richardson doesn't look like much of a signing now, does he?
Richardson never looked like much of a signing...
the bloke just pulled up with an injury. Classy criticism fellas.
I am not criticising him because he got injured. Just on performance.
quick turn off the tvs its a dangerous free kick
Last thing we want to do is give away fouls there! No need to bring him down.
Ruiz's corners are such an enormous improvement over our set pieces last year
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on November 10, 2012, 03:32:01 PM
quick turn off the tvs its a dangerous free kick
Haha every set piece my heart is in my mouth
COME ON FULHAM
Lots of possession for Fulham. Intelligent movement on and off the ball. Now if the defense could sort it out..
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We're gonna do a Schalke! ...maybe.
Bryan is playing very well today. Could be key. Wish I wasn't sat watching at work!
We've actually been the better team. Such a shame about the defending.
COME YOU WHITES :)
YES!!!!!!! What a goal.
It took Schalke a lot longer than this to come back. Makes you wonder why Kaca wasn't in the starting lineup...at least, it makes me wonder.
Wow wow wow... Unbelievable. Bravo Berba, Kaca...
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Great build up and great goal. Damage limitation resolved.
Cazorla falls down like shot and Dowd raises the yellow.....
Didn't know Kaca can head it.
Any set piece is a moment of danger now. Yikes, how many goals will be scored in this game?
Quote from: BillNRoc on November 10, 2012, 03:41:04 PM
It took Schalke a lot longer than this to come back. Makes you wonder why Kaca wasn't in the starting lineup...at least, it makes me wonder.
Probably to deal with Walcott. Kaca better when we were two behind, but Richardson better defensively so more likely to keep Theo quiet.
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on November 10, 2012, 03:42:18 PM
Cazorla falls down like shot and Dowd raises the yellow.....
Yet Koscielny and Podolski still no bookings.
Never closing a stream again.
Quote from: PokerMatt on November 10, 2012, 03:43:40 PM
Quote from: BillNRoc on November 10, 2012, 03:41:04 PM
It took Schalke a lot longer than this to come back. Makes you wonder why Kaca wasn't in the starting lineup...at least, it makes me wonder.
Probably to deal with Walcott. Kaca better when we were two behind, but Richardson better defensively so more likely to keep Theo quiet.
That said, Kaca pushing on forces Walcott back so he has to defend more himself.
Since can't defend set pieces, simply don't give cheap fouls away. Simple
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Quote from: Mitch on November 10, 2012, 03:44:58 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on November 10, 2012, 03:43:40 PM
Quote from: BillNRoc on November 10, 2012, 03:41:04 PM
It took Schalke a lot longer than this to come back. Makes you wonder why Kaca wasn't in the starting lineup...at least, it makes me wonder.
Probably to deal with Walcott. Kaca better when we were two behind, but Richardson better defensively so more likely to keep Theo quiet.
That said, Kaca pushing on forces Walcott back so he has to defend more himself.
It does a bit, yeah. Although Walcott's not really one to track back. Plus Sagna is one of the best right-backs in the world.
Boos? Come on Arsenal ffs...
Can't believe he's blown for half time as Reither is about to swing it in.
Quote from: Mitch on November 10, 2012, 03:49:37 PM
Can't believe he's blown for half time as Reither is about to swing it in.
Agreed, awful. There was a good 30 seconds before the kick was taken while Arsenal were shouting at each other. Add that on to let it get taken.
Hangeland has lost it, doesnt dominate set pieces anymore and we look vulnerable every corner or free kick.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Giroud score more today.
Baird always passes it backwards and Sidwell can't pass well enough.
Kaca and Dejagah look good + Ruiz and Berba just ooze class.
Spend on Douglas and a top quality CM in January and we'll be set
WENGER Out!
Oops, wrong board!
Believe what you will but Ruiz and Berba are way above Rodallega and Petric, and we need to stick with it...
Madness isn't it? So good going forward but utter tosh at defending. Could be 3-2 up and yet despite the fightback our defence scares me. Still get our Iranian involved and we could spring more problems. Goals a plenty.
Ruiz is killing them, Arsenal is having a hard time containing him.
Excellent fight back by the Whites. Ruiz and Berbatov are looking great up front but I'm really impressed with Dejagah on the right.
Bit fuming at Sidwell's booking. Cazorla hit the floor far too easily. Podolski's taken down Dejagah twice but he's not even had a talking to?
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Phil Dowd is not fit to referee, he's the reason Bolton got relegated instead of QPR.
What an entertaining side this is.
Nogood "the defence rests its case, isit" Boyo
Cazorla cheated to get Sidwell booked. So you know that that will come back to haunt us during the game. But this falling and diving is not expected by an Arsenal team. fp.gif
Please
Quote from: EJL on November 10, 2012, 03:44:35 PM
Never closing a stream again.
Please do. We winning 2.0 when you closed it lol
Great game so far. If only we could stop letting in ridiculous goals !!!
dont think anyone can
Quote from: Azeedo on November 10, 2012, 03:55:21 PM
Believe what you will but Ruiz and Berba are way above Rodallega and Petric, and we need to stick with it...
dont think anyone can argue with that. ruiz has been awesome and berba is just pure class. will be tight for mom if they keep this up
Never a free-kick that. Defended it though...
Is it my imagination, or has Hangers made more bad passes this season than in the last 5 combined?
omg that scared me
i think we should sub Sidwell before we're down to 10
Now Sidwell really is a red card waiting to happen. Karagounis on for him or something?
why didnt Podolski get booked for the foul on Dejagah when he did what Sidwell was accused of in he 1st half and WAS booked??
if he booked him then it would have been a joke
That was a very strange moment. Dowd did the right thing though.
yea i believe the ancient greek can do his job for 30 minutes
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on November 10, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
omg that scared me
i think we should sub Sidwell before we're down to 10
Please bring on the Greek, before Sidwell gets set up for a second yellow!
Quote from: The King on November 10, 2012, 04:19:07 PM
Now Sidwell really is a red card waiting to happen. Karagounis on for him or something?
But for whom? Seems equally likely to draw one from Ramsey.
now Ramsey did a Sidwell no booking
stoke 1 QPR 0
Penalty!!!!
PEN!
YYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Wow.
dreamland
Penalty!!!! Ruiz TACKLED his way to a pen!
We love you Berba, we do!
WHAT a combination Ruiz and Berba are.
I think this every time we play, but it shocks me just how quick Berbatov is and how much he runs when he's enjoying his football. What a player. Signing of the summer, surely?
just look at Ruiz, never wanted a penalty just stood up and looked for the ball to continue playing... now compared to all the cheats in the game a proper player
This will be hilarious if we hold on for the win.
oh god where is our defence :D
our defense remains woeful
Well that was ALWAYS happening.
crap
No lead safe for either of these teams.
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on November 10, 2012, 04:26:09 PM
just look at Ruiz, never wanted a penalty just stood up and looked for the ball to continue playing... now compared to all the cheats in the game a proper player
Yeah I noticed that too - it even looked as if he had thought the decision had gone against him.
fake edit: boooooo
What was Hangeland doing there? Showed absolutely NO interest.
Brede is ridiculous
Yes what a penalty !! Ha Ha Ha
Can we hold on to a away lead at least once!!!!!!!
Arsenal advance ball played through... Brede just watching to see what will happen then runs in once they've missed a one on one and is too late...
My nutjob.eu link has just died, anyone got another?
http://www.vipboxsports.eu/football/96565/2/arsenal-vs-fulham-fc-live-stream-online.html (http://www.vipboxsports.eu/football/96565/2/arsenal-vs-fulham-fc-live-stream-online.html)
this one been great for me for the last 80 minutes
Why aren't we countering? Looked intentional to slow the game down when Sidwell intercepted there.
Man what a great move...Great ball by Deja.
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http://www.vipboxsports.eu/football/96565/2/arsenal-vs-fulham-fc-live-stream-online.html (http://www.vipboxsports.eu/football/96565/2/arsenal-vs-fulham-fc-live-stream-online.html)
this one been great for me for the last 80 minutes
Brilliant, thanks!
Unbelievable piece of defnding by Koscielny or it's 4-3.
This has not been Baird's finest hour.
Quote from: PokerMatt on November 10, 2012, 04:34:22 PM
Unbelievable piece of defnding by Koscielny or it's 4-3.
HAHA UNBELIEVABLE game of defending!
Baird MUST stop the little flicks in the middle of the field
Need another goal, feels like the arse have another in them, with our defense like this.
My heart can't take this and I'm only 25.
Corner again. Hold fast
we do deserve to win as well
Wish we can score at the end with 1 min. to go. It would be fair!
Dejagah needs to come off. He's blowing out his backside.
Ruiz has been hitting le weights.
I think Ruiz is already as better as Dembele was last year in keeping the ball and much better at making the final pass?
Duff was in bench? i though he was injured, what a great bench we have today
O
M
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WHAT are they playing at?
WTF were those three doing then AGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH
BREDEEE WTH ARE U DOING
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on November 10, 2012, 04:42:07 PM
I think Ruiz is already as better as Dembele was last year in keeping the ball and much better at making the final pass?
Degree of improvement in ball retention, yes. Not as good as dembele at that, but his technique in striking the ball, in passes included, is far superior.
I see it another header
Quote from: hesedmedia on November 10, 2012, 04:44:58 PM
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on November 10, 2012, 04:42:07 PM
I think Ruiz is already as better as Dembele was last year in keeping the ball and much better at making the final pass?
Degree of improvement in ball retention, yes. Not as good as dembele at that, but his technique in striking the ball, in passes included, is far superior.
Agree with this.
I honestly don't think there's a player as good at holding on to the ball as Moose, anywhere.
Ruiz far more suited to the final third.
i hate final minutes
Anyone remember those days when we couldn't buy a goal?
Can anyone mark Giroux?
Quote from: Horse on November 10, 2012, 04:47:32 PM
Anyone remember those days when we couldn't buy a goal?
Those were the same days other teams couldn't buy one against us!
so unfair
NO!!!!
love off penalty ..dowd you cheating poo
lol what the hell
oh well whatever
NEVER!!! Could not have moved!
SO FAIR!!!!!
YES!!!!!! 3-3!
Phil Dowd NEARLY robbed us. THERE'S ONLY ONE MARK SCHWARZER!!!
hahaahahaha
Serves them right. COYW what a game!
Schwarzer Yesssssssss
DOWD CAN'T CHEAT US OUT OF THAT! TAKE THAT!
Haha what a game. Feels like a win.
Time to buy a CB. Our marking is beyond poor.
Another away match we could have had all 3, I'll take the point.
Need to address the defense.
That is a terrible penalty decision. What a bottler. WHAT a save.
my dad, brother and sister are all Arsenal fans, you cannot imagine how important this result is for me! yee-haw!
After the two away games we should have won and after the last two games, lucky last week and the ref tried to cheat us this week I guess it evens itself out.,
Awful defence and Ruiz great but then passes the ball to give them the chance in the last minute. We tried our best to give this away but what a great game. Thrilled with the game but oh for the defence to return to form.
What the hell was Ruiz thinking when he passed the ball to Arshavin? What the hell was Dowd thinking when he awarded the penalty? Glad Schwarzer saved it.
What a great game. Fully deserved point. Ruiz MOM with his best game for us. Schwarzer the hero inspite of his poor distribution. Berba pure class & must rank as one of our finest signings.
17 points from last 17 away games isn´t bad at all.
We are the most exciting team to watch now.
BUT please, please Jol sort out our central defence.
I wonder if Dowd would have given that at the other end with about 30 seconds to go? He was flapping his arm like a duck after the decision as if he was convincing himself that the decision was correct !
Against a backdrop of the FirstRow commentary of Mc Manaman (who was probably wearing an Arsenal scarf) it's sometimes difficult not to be paranoid if you're of the Black and White persuasion......
But what a game by Ruiz...and of course Schwartzer who earned his week's wages in that one dive (which took place after the 94 minutes was up!!!).
Schwarzer out ... bring on Stockdale! :011: oztralian
My nerves are shot to threads. What a game. We well deserved a draw and could even argue for the 3 points.
Well played, lads
Treating today like a win! Expecting us to be game of the day and first on MoTD! Off out to get some beers to enjoy the rest of the weekend now.
It's always a good weekend when Fulham win/draw and QPR lose. It's even better when we grab a 3-3 draw at Arsenal and QPR are STILL bottom of the league! :011:
Quote from: theofulham on November 10, 2012, 05:00:51 PM
my dad, brother and sister are all Arsenal fans, you cannot imagine how important this result is for me! yee-haw!
To be fair Arsenal showed great spirit to come from behind and nick a point.
Ruiz always does well against Arsenal
What a game. With attacking performances like that we should be pushing for that fourth champions league spot. Think our defensive frailties were obvious but man, that was entertainment.
...and Ruiz actually learned to dribble without getting caught on the ball!
It's management.
Great game.
Quote from: Bryanthebroom on November 10, 2012, 05:10:18 PM
What a game. With attacking performances like that we should be pushing for that fourth champions league spot. Think our defensive frailties were obvious but man, that was entertainment.
...and Ruiz actually learned to dribble without getting caught on the ball!
I reckon we are a player or two away from competing for a top 6 spot, but it's our midfield that is the problem. We need guys who can collect and hold the ball in midfield under pressure and rack up free kicks. Teams put pressure on our midfield and we end up losing possession constantly. Any defence that is under so much pressure will crack.
Quote from: cebu on November 10, 2012, 05:05:10 PM
Schwarzer out ... bring on Stockdale! :011: oztralian
I believe that is the first time he has saved a penalty for us, I might be wrong but what a time to do and in style too!!!
Quote from: cebu on November 10, 2012, 05:05:10 PM
Schwarzer out ... bring on Stockdale! :011: oztralian
Great save for the penalty but shall we talk about his roll out to Brede in the last ten minutes?
Quote from: epsomraver on November 10, 2012, 05:15:10 PM
Quote from: cebu on November 10, 2012, 05:05:10 PM
Schwarzer out ... bring on Stockdale! :011: oztralian
I believe that is the first time he has saved a penalty for us, I might be wrong but what a time to do and in style too!!!
Off the top of my head Roma
But there must be another Prem one?
Great game, could have gone both ways. Is dowd an arsenal fan or what? we need to sort out defense its all the same mistakes nothing new. Well the new was our player passing the ball back to arsenal players go figure. Overall very pleased with point. I must beat Sunderland and bag 3 points next weekend.
On the BBC TV they made a point about what is handball? Nobody thought it was a pen. Have to say the ref was like our defence. Good moments but some awful decisions.
Quote from: grandad on November 10, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
What a great game. Fully deserved point. Ruiz MOM with his best game for us. Schwarzer the hero inspite of his poor distribution. Berba pure class & must rank as one of our finest signings.
17 points from last 17 away games isn´t bad at all.
We are the most exciting team to watch now.
BUT please, please Jol sort out our central defence.
Good post. For the first time in many years we are questioning our defense which means we're scoring goals. No doubt we need another CB (sorry Aaron) and even a LB. BUT the midfield have to get back. Too often today we had 3 on 3 and 3 on 4.
Despite all that....Fulham's place as a premiership side has taken a very different turn to what we are used to. No more looking behind at the cut off line for relagation......at least for a good while.
COYW!!!
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 10, 2012, 05:20:06 PM
On the BBC TV they made a point about what is handball? Nobody thought it was a pen. Have to say the ref was like our defence. Good moments but some awful decisions.
Well they got it just right!!!!
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 10, 2012, 05:20:06 PM
On the BBC TV they made a point about what is handball? Nobody thought it was a pen. Have to say the ref was like our defence. Good moments but some awful decisions.
For a handball infraction to be called, a player must deliberately handle the ball with their hand or arm. A referee must determine if the player intentionally handled the ball. Nowhere in the FIFA Laws of the Game does it state that an unintentional handling of the ball is an infraction.
Dowd did indicate that Baird moved his arm to the ball, too quick to see, will make good viewing on match of the day.
I've already watched it countless times on widescreen HD, Epsom. If Dowd motioned that Baird moved his arm towards the ball, that would be strange. Riether was the man adjudged to have moved his elbow away from his side for the ball to hit it. The ball was whipped in at him from a yard away. He was actually trying to keep his arms straight by his sidebut he turned a little and his elbow did come out a few inches. It was not a voluntary movement. It shouldn't have been a penalty.
I believe Barid was booked for over-zealous lobbying.
Nogood "penalising the little German, isit" Boyo
Dowd made the motion that Baird had moved his arm to ball after he waved the players away and walked across to the spot. I was there just to the left of the goal four rows back and he carried on a conversation with the Arsenal players to convince everyone he saw something that only the nut case fans thought was a penaly. Most of those sitting around me half heartedly appealed and some even said they were lucky to get it
Just to speak up for the ref: Despite the awful penalty decision I'm just glad he thought again about giving Sidwell a 2nd yellow card for an innocuous challenge. If we'd been down to 10 men, it might have been a different story. He had the courage to think again and change his mind to the correct decision. Pity he didn't do the same thing for the penalty.
...and Ramseys 2nd "innocuous challenge"?
Quote from: bugsy on November 10, 2012, 08:36:12 PM
...and Ramseys 2nd "innocuous challenge"?
He levelled that one out like he did for the Pen?
coyw
