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Title: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: ElissonSnygg on November 24, 2012, 02:17:22 PM
Fulham XI: Schwarzer, Riether, Senderos, Hughes, Riise, Dejagah, Karagounis, Baird, Sidwell, Petric, Berbatov (c)
Bench: Etheridge, Kelly, Kasami, Diarra, Duff, Rodallega, Banya

- Berbatov captain.
- Dejagah and Karagounis from start.

Stoke XI: Begovic; Shotton, Shawcross (c), Huth, Cameron; Walters, Whelan, Nzonzi, Adam, Etherington; Crouch
Bench: Sorensen, Palacios, Jones, Whitehead, Upson, Kightly, Jerome

- Crouch from start (doh)
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Rhys Lightning 63 on November 24, 2012, 02:19:57 PM
Your guess at formation is as good as mine. I think it's a 4-5-1, with Petric on the left wing, but wouldn't surprise me if he's gone
4-2-3-1 with either Karagounis or Sidwell tucked behind Berbatov
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: alexbishop on November 24, 2012, 02:20:18 PM
what formation we going with then? Narrow 4-3-3? with Petric Berba and dejagah up top?
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: the nutflush on November 24, 2012, 02:21:08 PM
Wheres Duff?
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Lighthouse on November 24, 2012, 02:21:39 PM
Interesting but wonder about that left side. Any news on subs yet?
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: The King on November 24, 2012, 02:21:44 PM
Wheres Duff?

On the bench:

Subs: Etheridge, Kelly, Kasami, Diarra, Duff, Rodallega, Banya

Stoke Subs: Sorensen, Palacios, Jones, Whitehead, Upson, Kightly, Jerome
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Riverside on November 24, 2012, 02:25:51 PM
who is Banya ?
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: JackyFulham90 on November 24, 2012, 02:26:01 PM
Strange line up, assume Diarra not fit surprised he has only Dejagah as a wide player thought he would have Duff/Rodallega or even Kasami in instead of Kara
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: cmg on November 24, 2012, 02:26:20 PM
Wheres Duff?

On the bench:

Subs: Etheridge, Kelly, Kasami, Diarra, Duff, Rodallega, Banya

Stoke Subs: Sorensen, Palacios, Jones, Whitehead, Upson, Kightly, Jerome

Congratulations to Charlie Banya. Welcome to the Show.
Quick, very skillful, very small.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: MJG on November 24, 2012, 02:32:02 PM
what formation we going with then? Narrow 4-3-3? with Petric Berba and dejagah up top?
that's what I was keen on earlier in the week, suspect it will be some kind of 4-5-1 in reality
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: alexbishop on November 24, 2012, 02:34:08 PM
what formation we going with then? Narrow 4-3-3? with Petric Berba and dejagah up top?
that's what I was keen on earlier in the week, suspect it will be some kind of 4-5-1 in reality

Not sure we need to be that negative against stoke do we? Surprised Diarra hasn't started, can't be match fit
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: God The Mechanic on November 24, 2012, 02:39:08 PM
what formation we going with then? Narrow 4-3-3? with Petric Berba and dejagah up top?
that's what I was keen on earlier in the week, suspect it will be some kind of 4-5-1 in reality

Not sure we need to be that negative against stoke do we? Surprised Diarra hasn't started, can't be match fit

4-5-1 isn't necessarily negative.  Runs from deep from Sidwell and/or Kara could cause trouble.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: FFCfan on November 24, 2012, 02:41:33 PM
I think Petric will play up front Berbs just behind him the rest is a mystery to me imo.  

             :clap_hands: :clap_hands: :clap_hands: :clap_hands:
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Mr Fulham on November 24, 2012, 02:54:33 PM

with Petric on the left wing

Never in a million years.


Schwarzer
Riether Hughes Senderos Riise
Sidwell Baird
Dejagah Karagounis
Petric Berbatov


Looks like a 4-4-2.

Would love to see a late Charles Banya cameo btw.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: craig10 on November 24, 2012, 02:55:52 PM
Baird at right back and Reither right mid???
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Lighthouse on November 24, 2012, 03:18:20 PM
Having trouble keeping the ball and every corner we still don't pick up players.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: FFCfan on November 24, 2012, 03:19:30 PM
1st yellow Sanderos
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Boggers on November 24, 2012, 03:26:56 PM
Soft, soft goal
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Jimbobob on November 24, 2012, 03:28:09 PM
 :bang head: :bang head: :bang head: :bang head: :bang head: :bang head:
Oh .....boy..... damn
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Lighthouse on November 24, 2012, 03:28:26 PM
We are just so poor at the back and without Brede we just have no chance with every cross.

Petric may as well not be playing as he is seeing little of the ball. When he does he does nothing with it.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: PokerMatt on November 24, 2012, 03:30:08 PM
Surely Crouch is using Senderos as a ladder there?
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: FFCfan on November 24, 2012, 03:33:16 PM
Sidwell is injured  :bang head:
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: JIMMY D on November 24, 2012, 03:33:28 PM
We are playing terrible.... Riise is making no runs!
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Mr Fulham on November 24, 2012, 03:34:30 PM
No surprises. And this is partly Senderos being poor, but that's is no excuse. Our defending is not of Premier League standard this season. We'll lose, but I did not expect anything else.


Just NO pace up front. Petric not in the game, Dejagah not in the game and Karagounis is everywhere but not on the left.


This match shows why I didn't want Petric and Berbatov up front. We're far too static.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Lighthouse on November 24, 2012, 03:35:18 PM
We need PACE up front
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: FFCfan on November 24, 2012, 03:36:43 PM
So lucky this time.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Boggers on November 24, 2012, 03:38:08 PM
Blatant shove to get the header though
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: fulhampa23 on November 24, 2012, 03:41:40 PM
Dirtiest team in the Prem! Can't stand Stoke
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Jamie88 on November 24, 2012, 03:42:04 PM
What is with the Stoke fans? Heavily booing our players when they are clearly injured, first Sidders now Senderos
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Fernhurst on November 24, 2012, 03:46:24 PM
Dirtiest team in the Prem! Can't stand Stoke


But they do have the most sophisticated fans in the league, no ?
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Nick the Swede on November 24, 2012, 03:46:29 PM
What is with the Stoke fans? Heavily booing our players when they are clearly injured, first Sidders now Senderos
They are always like this! It's like playing away in Istanbul to Galatasaray :( 


-"Oh when the Whites!"
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on November 24, 2012, 03:49:41 PM
Karagounis has impressed me today. Intelligent player, hard working, energetic and decent defensively. Another great addition.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: MisfitKid on November 24, 2012, 03:52:23 PM
Some offense would be nice in the second half...
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Jimbobob on November 24, 2012, 03:52:58 PM
Okay I will ask:
What is up with the Stoke players and the mustaches?  :dft002: :dft002: :dft002:
God I can't stand these guys...they are so dirty... :dft007:
We have got to pull something out of this match....C O Y W!!!!!
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: craig10 on November 24, 2012, 03:54:02 PM
can not excuse the way in which we are playing however i am finding this hard to watch as Stoke seem to get away with alot more than they should.....
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: NogoodBoyo on November 24, 2012, 03:54:48 PM
Moustaches are growths for charity.
Defence failing to deal with Crouch who's playing a blinder.
Nogood "Crouching tiger, isit" Boyo
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: FFCfan on November 24, 2012, 03:55:08 PM
Lets grow mustache during the break and beat the crap out of Stoke  086.gif 086.gif
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: NogoodBoyo on November 24, 2012, 03:55:49 PM
They look like WWII fighter pilots.
Nogood "roger wilco, isit" Boyo
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: NogoodBoyo on November 24, 2012, 03:57:35 PM
They are professionally dirty though.  I loathe reading complaints about refereeing, but Oliver needs to step up his game.  They're getting away with too much.  The foul count is 7 to 6 in favour of Fulham.
Nogood "not the match I'm watching, isit" Boyo
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: os5889 on November 24, 2012, 03:58:10 PM
BBC Sport pundit Garth Crooks on Final Score:
"There have been a couple of flailing arms, not elbows, from Fulham. It was a lot of fuss about nothing and I am a little bit surprised that Stoke, who have so many physical players, are getting hot under the collar about them."

Catch all the updates from the Premier League and Football league action on Final Score, which is live now on the BBC Sport website and BBC HD channel.

Because Senderos cut his own eye...
Title: Re: Re: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Count Berbatov on November 24, 2012, 03:58:25 PM
They look like WWII fighter pilots.
Nogood "roger wilco, isit" Boyo
:D
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Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: BillNRoc on November 24, 2012, 03:59:40 PM
We're not going to outmuscle them, we don't have the team speed to outpace them, we struggle to defend tall strikers (and they have the tallest), and no one in black seems able to manage 1-2s with Berbatov.

If we can't afford those 5-8 minute spells of Stoke pressure, it could be a very long afternoon.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Mr Fulham on November 24, 2012, 04:00:53 PM
Not happy with Karagounis who seems to be everywhere but not where he's supposed to be. If you want to attack Stoke, you need a positive display, creativity and a lot of pace. We possess nothing to trouble them.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Lighthouse on November 24, 2012, 04:02:38 PM
Oh for goodness sake we need Rodders on for Petric to end this do nothing sod all play when we can go forward. This is just dull to watch Fulham just not turn up AGAIN.

Better second half PLEASE.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Mr Fulham on November 24, 2012, 04:03:01 PM
They are professionally dirty though.  I loathe reading complaints about refereeing, but Oliver needs to step up his game.  They're getting away with too much.  The foul count is 7 to 6 in favour of Fulham.
Nogood "not the match I'm watching, isit" Boyo

We should talk about our own terrible display, not about the referee, my friend.

Mr "truth is difficult, innit" Fulham
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: craig10 on November 24, 2012, 04:03:23 PM
they climb and push for every ball thats in the air.... the one that hit the bar was a clear foul and also although not a foul to me, in the premier league i dont think Huth can have his foot 6 foot in the air, studs showing, then push it into Berba's back
Come On You Whites
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Jimbobob on November 24, 2012, 04:04:48 PM
 
BBC Sport pundit Garth Crooks on Final Score:
"There have been a couple of flailing arms, not elbows, from Fulham. It was a lot of fuss about nothing and I am a little bit surprised that Stoke, who have so many physical players, are getting hot under the collar about them."

Catch all the updates from the Premier League and Football league action on Final Score, which is live now on the BBC Sport website and BBC HD channel.

Because Senderos cut his own eye...
:plus one: I am amazed how the press over there seem to support those thugs so much.....
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Mr Fulham on November 24, 2012, 04:05:08 PM
Fulham are ... .. ... UNCHANGED!!!
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: PokerMatt on November 24, 2012, 04:10:06 PM
Oh my word what a chance Sidwell! What a cross Dejagah!
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: os5889 on November 24, 2012, 04:13:28 PM
0-1 QPR Winning at Old Trafford
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: ElissonSnygg on November 24, 2012, 04:19:39 PM
I just hate Stoke
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: grandad on November 24, 2012, 04:21:10 PM
Playing 2 thug sides one after the other is not what our physios need.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Mr Fulham on November 24, 2012, 04:25:39 PM
how about a positive substitution?
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Ordar on November 24, 2012, 04:26:25 PM
We are played awful. Jol needs to change something.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Mr Fulham on November 24, 2012, 04:27:50 PM
why not give Kasami or Banya a chance? It can't get much worse can it?
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: grandad on November 24, 2012, 04:28:41 PM
Our MF have not created anything. Berba & Petric have had no service.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: FC Silver Fox on November 24, 2012, 04:29:07 PM
Yeh, but you've got to feel sorry for the Stoke fans. They have to watch this crap every week. At least with us, its exceptional.

Difficult to know who to change.  Rodallega for Dejagah  ?
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Jamie88 on November 24, 2012, 04:29:20 PM
At least QPhaha are now losing
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Jimbobob on November 24, 2012, 04:30:42 PM
I just hate Stoke
:plus one: 096.gig :plus one: 096.gig :plus one: 096.gig
God so do I.................................
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: os5889 on November 24, 2012, 04:30:54 PM
United turn it round MUFC 2-1 QPR
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: grandad on November 24, 2012, 04:31:10 PM
That´s more like it, Man U 2-1
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Jimbobob on November 24, 2012, 04:32:12 PM
Please god can we some how some way pull out a draw at least?
Please????? :023: :023: :023:
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: PokerMatt on November 24, 2012, 04:32:36 PM
Here we go come on Duff.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: PokerMatt on November 24, 2012, 04:34:01 PM
Great chance Berba - so well worked! Either side of the 'keeper and we're level. Can still get something out of this.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: MisfitKid on November 24, 2012, 04:34:55 PM
make that 3 to ManUre
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: ScalleysDad on November 24, 2012, 04:39:03 PM
I wonder if Riise will ever hit a barn door?
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: grandad on November 24, 2012, 04:39:35 PM
Senderos of Stoke is causing us all sorts of problems.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: FC Silver Fox on November 24, 2012, 04:40:25 PM
Attacking changes.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: CanadianCottager on November 24, 2012, 04:41:49 PM
Dejagah has been pretty magnificent in the second half, I can see how he's been keeping Duff out of the side
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Mr Fulham on November 24, 2012, 04:43:45 PM
Subs too late and I don't see what Kasami or Banya could do wrong.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Jimbobob on November 24, 2012, 04:48:12 PM
Subs too late and I don't see what Kasami or Banya could do wrong.

Agreed sir!
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: ScalleysDad on November 24, 2012, 04:49:04 PM
Have to say that on one of the streams I have just seen an almost perfect 4.5.1 stoke defence. Only guile will break that so why the long or high balls?
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Ordar on November 24, 2012, 04:49:19 PM
Utter crap today. Got exactly what we deserved. No invention and too many mistakes and poor performances
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: TKFJ_FFC on November 24, 2012, 04:49:37 PM
Another pathetic performance.

Not good.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Lighthouse on November 24, 2012, 04:50:47 PM
We are just rubbish
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Lighthouse on November 24, 2012, 04:53:12 PM
So slow trying to break forward
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: PokerMatt on November 24, 2012, 04:53:41 PM
Have to say that on one of the streams I have just seen an almost perfect 4.5.1 stoke defence. Only guile will break that so why the long or high balls?

Yep. We couldn't have broken them down in 180 minutes today.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: TKFJ_FFC on November 24, 2012, 04:54:42 PM
flipping joke.

Time to buy a CM. Baird and Sidwell aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: MisfitKid on November 24, 2012, 04:55:59 PM
Baird was weak today, way too many giveaways...
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: PokerMatt on November 24, 2012, 04:56:29 PM
On the plus side...

They have to watch that 38 times a season. We have to watch that two times a season.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on November 24, 2012, 04:56:52 PM
For once I have to criticise Martin. He made a tactical decision to play Giorgos on the left to counter the threat Walters posed. It didn't really work and it hindered our offensive ability. He should've made the change earlier. As soon as he did we were the better side.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Jimbobob on November 24, 2012, 04:57:10 PM
 :020: :020: :020: :020: :020: :020: :020: :020:
 :bang head: :bang head: :bang head: :bang head: :bang head:
 :dft007: :dft007: :dft006: :dft006: :dft007: :dft007: :dft006: :dft006:
What an awful match..................................
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: craig10 on November 24, 2012, 04:57:23 PM
a more 'gifted' CM required along with a CB or 2.....
Stokes 10 in the box tactis works well especially against us when we have no midfielder that can spot a ball and play it
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: epsomraver on November 24, 2012, 04:59:16 PM
We are so pedestrian, players standing about waiting for the pass, watch the top teams like Man U , they move all the time and when they go forward they go with PACE!
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: God The Mechanic on November 24, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Thought Kara did pretty well, albeit not in the position he was playing in.  Should be him and Diarra in MF with a full squad.

Think today showed how important Ruiz is.  Without him the link between MF and Berba was... Berba.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: BillNRoc on November 24, 2012, 05:00:33 PM
Without another player of Berbatov's quality, we're going to struggle to break down any stout defense, as Stoke demonstrated so resoundingly today. Meanwhile, our defense is sufficiently suspect it's unlikely we'll keep any clean sheets against teams of mid-table or better talent.

As some speculated mid-week, the time from now through New Year's is likely to be pretty gloomy for Fulham fans. Not enough muscle, not enough pace, not enough offensive guile....yikes!
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: kennethwong20 on November 24, 2012, 05:01:13 PM
fair to say we missed the trio of Kaca, Bryan Ruiz and Hangeland today :(

Senderos was awful and I expect him to be dropped and replaced by Baird for the Chelsea match
Title: Re: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: MJG on November 24, 2012, 05:01:16 PM
Its Stoke away...do you really expect anything else? Always a game I write off..if we get anything its a bloody bonus.

Maybe also a reality check for those of you who say we could be top six. Yes top ten, maybe 7th with a prevailing wind, but really 8-12 is the our level.
Title: Re: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Berserker on November 24, 2012, 05:01:48 PM
We all knew this would be a difficult game after last week, and we weren't let  down. Disappointed that a miracle didn't happen but not surprised. It will be a difficult few weeks as said by Mr Peabody a couple of days ago :-(
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Mr Fulham on November 24, 2012, 05:02:15 PM
We are so pedestrian, players standing about waiting for the pass, watch the top teams like Man U , they move all the time and when they go forward they go with PACE!

You shouldn't expect pace when you play around 10 players who are 30+.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: craig10 on November 24, 2012, 05:02:43 PM
Thought Kara did pretty well, albeit not in the position he was playing in.  Should be him and Diarra in MF with a full squad.

Think today showed how important Ruiz is.  Without him the link between MF and Berba was... Berba.

agree with this 100% as i stated the other day i would have (if fit) gone with Kara and Diarra in CM i just do not rate Sidwell or Baird at all in there, sorry!
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: cebu on November 24, 2012, 05:03:50 PM
We are so pedestrian, players standing about waiting for the pass, watch the top teams like Man U , they move all the time and when they go forward they go with PACE!

Manure? I'd be happy if we could match WBA's passing and movement right now.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: zander on November 24, 2012, 05:06:05 PM
I'm currently travelling up country so have heard little to nothing about the game. However a 1-0 loss away to stoke has to be the most predictable and uninspiring result in world football.

Sounds like the team lacked pace today. How did our midfield hold up against theirs?


Title: Re: Re: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: MJG on November 24, 2012, 05:06:35 PM
We are so pedestrian, players standing about waiting for the pass, watch the top teams like Man U , they move all the time and when they go forward they go with PACE!

You shouldn't expect pace when you play around 10 players who are 30+.
is that starting line up, because I can think of 4 players below 30 in that eleven?
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: epsomraver on November 24, 2012, 05:11:03 PM
We are so pedestrian, players standing about waiting for the pass, watch the top teams like Man U , they move all the time and when they go forward they go with PACE!

You shouldn't expect pace when you play around 10 players who are 30+.
Got nothing to do with it at all, I would have expected a more thought out  response from you.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: grandad on November 24, 2012, 05:15:20 PM
Baird & Sidwell have been given enough chances & continue to be out played by every other midfield. Diarra has to come in,fit or not.Even bring Duff inside. At least he has some pace. The extra space may suit him. Time perhaps for Kasami being given a chance. Senderos unsettles the whole defence. They are having to watch out for his cock ups rather than concentrate on their own game.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: ScalleysDad on November 24, 2012, 05:22:15 PM
I think I get the point being made about age and pace. Today the team was full of changes, either personnel or positional, the tactics were impossible to fathom and again we were top heavy with lets say more players closer to thirty and above and/or short term fixes. (so long Jol Revolution). Posters are getting at Senderos but if Diarra was fit enough for the bench he should have come on with time to spare. That might have offered us two options, some protection for the back four and perhaps holding the ball in midfield. He would have had to be top of his game of course but I am becoming suspicious of his numerous absences these days.

People will be focusing on individuals, another abysmal away performance and probably ignoring the earlier battle cry of 'toughen up four tough games' coming etc but ............... had we not got a couple of early wins against now vastly improved sides we would be in the mire. Damn the stoicsm I'm not impressed lately.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on November 24, 2012, 05:34:35 PM
Thought Kara did pretty well, albeit not in the position he was playing in.  Should be him and Diarra in MF with a full squad.

Think today showed how important Ruiz is.  Without him the link between MF and Berba was... Berba.

He's consistently impressed me, today his performance was let down because he didn't stick to his role but the distribution and defensive work were good.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Mr Fulham on November 24, 2012, 05:42:29 PM
Sometimes it is frustrating to be the fan of a British team. A german team, Freiburg for example, would have thrown in Kasami and Banya without thinking twice about it. It's frustrating to watch all those old Fulham players (average age 31.2 years) because there's no plan B, no pace and nothing "special" apart from Berbatovs occasional glimpse of pure class. Too pedestrian.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: MJG on November 24, 2012, 05:57:03 PM
Sometimes it is frustrating to be the fan of a British team. A german team, Freiburg for example, would have thrown in Kasami and Banya without thinking twice about it. It's frustrating to watch all those old Fulham players (average age 31.2 years) because there's no plan B, no pace and nothing "special" apart from Berbatovs occasional glimpse of pure class. Too pedestrian.
that average is thrown by Mark S & Karagounis.
Now I'm as keen as anyone to see youth given a chance but would Freiburg ever play a team like Stoke?
 I would not throw in a youngster for a debut against them at home on a wet November up there. If anything, against them, I would pick the most experienced hardest bunch of players I had. Never. A place for gifted youngsters.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Mr Fulham on November 24, 2012, 05:59:08 PM
Why not? In Germany we call that "Feuertaufe". a baptism of fire. it doesn't get much worse. if they make it there, they make it anywhere. if not, they'll make it on a sunny Craven Cottage afternoon when we lead 5-0.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: God The Mechanic on November 24, 2012, 06:02:24 PM
Dunno what the situation is like in Germany, but the amount of money gained by being a single place higher in England is ridiculous.  There's less incentive to play kids these days.  It's really quite disappointing though.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Mr Fulham on November 24, 2012, 06:03:36 PM
Dunno what the situation is like in Germany, but the amount of money gained by being a single place higher in England is ridiculous.  There's less incentive to play kids these days.  It's really quite disappointing though.
Pretty much the same in Germany.
Title: Re: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: MJG on November 24, 2012, 06:03:51 PM
Any other ground I would say yes....but Stoke are unique and a bunch of thugs. We got away 1-0 loss, maybe one injury, we move on.
Title: Re: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: MJG on November 24, 2012, 06:04:58 PM
Aston Villa have 7 players 23 or under in their team today...would you swap them for our oldies?
Title: Re: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: ScalleysDad on November 24, 2012, 06:10:49 PM
Any other ground I would say yes....but Stoke are unique and a bunch of thugs. We got away 1-0 loss, maybe one injury, we move on.


who is on the injury list now then? I must have dozed off.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: MJG on November 24, 2012, 06:13:38 PM
Any other ground I would say yes....but Stoke are unique and a bunch of thugs. We got away 1-0 loss, maybe one injury, we move on.


who is on the injury list now then? I must have dozed off.
Sidwell went off so maybe him..which will please some.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: ScalleysDad on November 24, 2012, 06:23:37 PM
Any other ground I would say yes....but Stoke are unique and a bunch of thugs. We got away 1-0 loss, maybe one injury, we move on.


who is on the injury list now then? I must have dozed off.
Sidwell went off so maybe him..which will please some.


Thanks for that. Such cynicism though and Duff played!. I would hate to be in our team and lined up against a wall in front of us after a game. On the command "Fire" about half of them would go down, one or two would kop it with ricochets and the one that failed on pro zone stats only would be left standing unscathed. We all see the game differently I suppose but I don't think there is a single scape goat today. Jol has to get the SAME team playing for more than one game in a row and actually define where we are going. 3 points from 15? Where did the revolution go? 
Title: Re: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: Mr Fulham on November 24, 2012, 08:43:14 PM
Aston Villa have 7 players 23 or under in their team today...would you swap them for our oldies?
Don't be silly, you know what I mean so stop writing nonsense, you're better than that.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: itombomb on November 24, 2012, 11:51:43 PM
Aston Villa have 7 players 23 or under in their team today...would you swap them for our oldies?
I'd swap pretty much anyone for Sidwell.
Title: Re: Match Thread: Stoke vs Fulham [24/11]
Post by: ElissonSnygg on November 25, 2012, 12:53:23 AM
Diarra and Karagounis could be the pair we need in CM atm. Sidwell obviously aint good enough.

Senderos also very poor today. We need Hangeland badly.