Fulham: Schwarzer; Riether, Hangeland (c), Hughes, Riise; Duff, Sidwell, Baird, Richardson; Berbatov, Rodallega
Subs: Etheridge (GK), Kelly, Senderos, Petric, Karagounis, Dejagah, Kacaniklic
QPR: Green; Traore, Nelsen, Hill, Onuoha; Taarabt, Wright-Phillips, Faurlin, Mbia, Mackie; Cisse
Subs: Cesar, Diakite, Derry, Ferdinand, Granero, Fabio, Hoilett
STREAMS:
http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=180415&part=sports (http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=180415&part=sports)
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=26783.0 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=26783.0)
any links anybody?
Ooh I hope we win this one. COYW. Dunno why Richardson is in, I would have gone with Kaca even though he wasn't great last week. He does win a lot of corners.
Where are you White Noise, we need links.
Quote from: Horse on December 15, 2012, 02:43:42 PM
Ooh I hope we win this one. COYW. Dunno why Richardson is in, I would have gone with Kaca even though he wasn't great last week. He does win a lot of corners.
Lets hope he does well!
:clap_hands: :clap_hands: :clap_hands:
I think MAF is in love with those kits. We sure have worn them enough this year. I kind of wish we would wear the orange more
and we are off....
The midfield two aren't offering the best cover so far...
Riise fp.gif
we are awful so far
we've not started well at all
Just not at it at the moment. No cover defensively, nothing going forward. Probably had the ball for around 30 seconds total so far.
...and still Riisa is on everyones team sheet. huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummm :035:
We're gonna get stuffed here..
Anyone having any joy with Gentleman Jim? - I'm just getting static (or maybe it's a very uneventful game).
Baird hasnt started well at all
if Taarabt gets his eye in we may be in trouble, giving him too much space right now.
Everyone looks so nervy on the ball, specifically Baird
QPR are pressuring us but they are poor finishers and poor making decisions
well we can only play better
Is The -Rat wearing a big shirt or is it a kebab too far ??.....................mind you, he looks like a race horse against our Norse man
Wow we are playing badly...
Baird is having a nightmare so far.
Quote from: Dan in Notts on December 15, 2012, 03:10:59 PM
Anyone having any joy with Gentleman Jim? - I'm just getting static (or maybe it's a very uneventful game).
Just getting silence, so far !
terrible foul on the edge of the area, poor call
hey everyone :) How you doing?
COME ON YOU WHITES!
Cisse defending for us!! 091.gif
Everything that could be wrong and is wrong about us, is being shown today.
WAKE UP FULHAM FOR GODS SAKE
Surely it can only get better...
Are they booing us just generally, with no discernable target? Sounds like it on tv
We just don't seem up for it, perhaps we're just trying to stop their momentum.
Richardson keeps the ball more than needed instead of passing forward
I really don't see what Rodde brings to the team. He's not fast, can't pass, can't finish - doesn't seem to have any confidence. About the only thing he can do is hit the target with a header when he is 5ft out - and then it's a 50/50 chance.
we're gonna bore them to death with passing around mindlessly then we gonna surprise everyone with a brilliant own goal! :)
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 15, 2012, 03:19:58 PM
WAKE UP FULHAM FOR GODS SAKE
Couldn't say it better myself... fp.gif
Quote from: hesedmedia on December 15, 2012, 03:20:54 PM
Surely it can only get better...
Are they booing us just generally, with no discernable target? Sounds like it on tv
At first I thought it was just them booing Berba, then someone else held onto the ball for more than 3 seconds and they got it too.
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 15, 2012, 03:19:58 PM
WAKE UP FULHAM FOR GODS SAKE
Couldn't say it better myself... fp.gif
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+1 (hi everybody). Be nice if we actually had a shot. Just lucky they can't hit a barn door.
We're getting done by their pace alot and offering very little going forwards
Now there's a positive! MS' long kick won us a free kick :D
The only positive so far is we're still level - how they haven't scored yet, I dunno.
We are playing so uninspired.
it seems our idea for the game is to pass it in our own half for 90 minutes?
Richardson is awful. How can he just get his place in the starting 11 back straight away???
I agree. However he didn't play enough first team games to completely write him off yet.
just heard the rangers fans singing 'chelsea reject' to duff.......and they have wright-phillips.....
Quote from: jelmo on December 15, 2012, 03:27:14 PM
Richardson is awful. How can he just get his place in the starting 11 back straight away???
Probably Jol has been reading FOF!
Up the 'R's ... that's what I'd like to see, but its not looking like it so far.
will be a miracle if we keep them at 0-0 til half time
Get Baird off.... seriously been awful
going by our usual player performances, I have to say Hughes looks the worst today.
Closely followed by Baird!
Baird is having a shocker today. Giving away foauls and passing terribly. This is not good viewing!
At least Schwarzer is looking very good today...
Dreadful offside call from the linesman then. Roda was about 2 yards onside.
I think we're gonna have no MotM thread today and instead we'll have a NOT-MotM one to vote for the worst performance today?
I would say we cant play this badly in the second half... but I'm not convinced...
Christ Almighty, get Richardson off at half time. He offers nothing fp.gif
Why are we so nervous? You'd think we were the ones fighting to stay up.
Richardson pushing Baird hard for that Anti-performance award!
really poor game of football, very good job Taarabt can't pass or we may be getting embarrassed.
Quote from: 1879 on December 15, 2012, 03:40:13 PM
Christ Almighty, get Richardson off at half time. He offers nothing fp.gif
He did that cross type thing from the Reither crossfield pass. That was... a thing.
Too bad we do not have kasami on the bench, would have loved to see him in center mid today. And yes, get kaca on at half time.
Quote from: 1879 on December 15, 2012, 03:40:13 PM
Christ Almighty, get Richardson off at half time. He offers nothing fp.gif
Kaca will definitely be on a half time.
this may be the worst half of football I've ever seen
this is barely championship standard
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 15, 2012, 03:43:36 PM
this may be the worst half of football I've ever seen
Inspiring game of football you mean! Don't try and be negative haha
The only good thing I can say is that at least our fans haven't had to travel too far for this away game.
Berba is getting furious
Poor excuse for football. We miss Ruiz so much.
+1 minute...
Berbatov summed it up with that furious reaction. Good on him. He's captain material for sure.
Absolute zero movement, that's our problem right now. No one's getting into space to receive the passes.
poor Berba. Got nothing to work with!
Awful
Tried to get tickets for this one, very glad i wasnt sucessful...
"a relegation dog fight" - bit harsh on us but it is a bad game.
I am, however, Rieters No 1 Fan.
:020:
for the love of peace, QPR are so poor they will never get enough points to be safe so they should just give up and lets us run them over. Holy moly they are poor. Our level of play, aside from Berba, is embarrassing as well
worse performance of the season. Still 0-0 somehow.
wow....quite possibly the worse half of football i've seen this season....and I watched the Sheff Wed league cup game!
BBC stats says it all :
QPR 12 shots on, 6 shots off
Fulham 0 shots on, 0 shots off .....pretty damn pathetic
The best part of the half was berbatov swearing. It looked like a grammar school game of keep a way. Dire.
That was horrendous. QPR are a truly awful side, and we've somehow decided to play even worse. Which is quite an achievement I suppose...
Rodders and Richardson are rank
We played well with only 9 men
Ive seen enough of Richardson. He is absolutely poo.
Thanks god i'm watching it on a 16" wide screen. Otherwise like Berbatov said before the Newcastle game "my neck would hurt" after the last 46 minutes.....
Oh god did they really put up a thing saying "HIGHLIGHTS from the First Half"?
If I were Jol , I'd be reading the riot act
0 shots. Mightily impressive.
Richardson has yet to justify his transfer in, mids are terrible. I agree with everyone who says this is the worst 45 minutes of football this year. Absolutely dreadful.
Dare I say it....."we cant be that bad second half"
Has there been a poorer performance by a Fulham side this season? How we are still on terms in beyond me. We simply don't look anywhere close to caring about this. Not one effort and Rodders so isolated as to be pointless as Fulham will be. Must play better mustn't we?
Awful Fulham.
Quote from: MJG on December 15, 2012, 03:49:58 PM
Dare I say it....."we cant be that bad second half"
We can't (should not) be that bad in any half or 1/4 of a game really.
We look afraid going forward, Richardson lost every ball he got, Baird couldn't make a pass !
Well shame Diarra isn't on the bench, because he'd bring a bit of quality to midfield.
Richardson should probably come off for Kaca at half time.
Baird needs to start bloody concentrating, as do the rest.
I'd take 0-0 at the moment
Quote from: Luke on December 15, 2012, 03:46:31 PM
Absolute zero movement, that's our problem right now. No one's getting into space to receive the passes.
I think that's right. Although the simple passes aren't coming off either.
Trying to think of something positive ................. QPR fans wasted more money than Fulham fans did? 075.gif
A game where I would like to see some of our young players get on at half time. Only problem we only have Kaca on the bench.. - He have to get on for Richardson tho.
And baird off and our greek in aswel.
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on December 15, 2012, 03:42:31 PM
Too bad we do not have kasami on the bench, would have loved to see him in center mid today. And yes, get kaca on at half time.
where is he?
Ugly Ugly half. I thought i was watching a bunch of people being greedy on fifa instead of paid proffesionals. If the quality of play doesnt step up I can see more creative players leaving in the summer. Doom and gloom? Probably. However if the next half is brilliant then the first never happened and i will be blissfully ignorant of it as a typical football supporter :D The quality was oozing when Norwich visited, now we seem to have gone stale. Without a doubt we are missing a creative spark right now. Berbatov is trying to start it but he cant do it himself. I hate saying we miss certain players because i am behind every man who wears the white, but boy do we miss our creative men that are out right now.
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on December 15, 2012, 03:53:34 PM
A game where I would like to see some of our young players get on at half time. Only problem we only have Kaca on the bench.. - He have to get on for Richardson tho.
And baird off and our greek in aswel.
Agreed on both. Kara's a bit more forward minded and creative. They're there for the taking today, we need to look for the win.
This highlights the lack of class in midfield. Regardless of all the huffing and puffing by our midfield we run the risk of coming unstuck in the second half if we carry on this way.
Someone needed who can pick a pass, Karagounis?
I think Kasami must be shagging Jols pet poodle or something as he doesn't get a look in
At least he always tries to get forward when he plays
We are playing as if its a friendly match, half pace and no commitment and definitely no concentration, it can only get better. Bring on Karagounis for Rodellaga and push Berba upfield to partner Rodellaga
I don't understand how professionals can struggle to hit a five or ten yard pass correctly so consistently.
My Sunday side was honestly better at keeping the ball than that shower in the first half.
Here's hoping that we've got away with it this half, and that we step it up some in the next.
Quote from: MasterHaynes on December 15, 2012, 03:56:47 PMBring on Karagounis for Rodellaga and push Berba upfield to partner Rodellaga
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Wow. And I thought we played badly at Stoke... Only saving grace is that they're almost as bad, and their finishing extraordinarily abysmal. Would like anyone on the pitch who might possibly be able to deliver a decent pass to Berbatov every now and again.
Edit: 51% of the game has been played in our final 3rd. Against a poor QPR side who are bottom of the table, says it all really.
Edit: Kelly on for Riether. All we need.
Quote from: MasterHaynes on December 15, 2012, 03:56:47 PM
Bring on Karagounis for Rodellaga and push Berba upfield to partner Rodellaga
Does this imply Berbatov must be hanging nearby our subs bench for the majority of the 2nd half just to be close to the subbed player?
Richardson was rubbish. Baird and Sidwel need to cover for each other better
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 15, 2012, 03:50:23 PM
Has there been a poorer performance by a Fulham side this season? How we are still on terms in beyond me. We simply don't look anywhere close to caring about this. Not one effort and Rodders so isolated as to be pointless as Fulham will be. Must play better mustn't we?
Awful Fulham.
Sad to say but yes we have looked worse and played worse and on occassion we have offered those delights at home. It raises the question again though that in games like this a workmanlike 4.4.2 might be a preferable option as Berbatov might as well be playing on Mars so far ahead of the rest as he is. Kaca for Richardson and Petric for Rodders at half time would at least show me Jol is watching the same game.
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on December 15, 2012, 03:59:38 PM
Quote from: MasterHaynes on December 15, 2012, 03:56:47 PM
Bring on Karagounis for Rodellaga and push Berba upfield to partner Rodellaga
Does this imply Berbatov must be hanging nearby our subs bench for the majority of the 2nd half just to be close to the subbed player?
haha
oh and should have been down 1 at least. Very lucky
amazing Riether is done for the day....it only gets better... doesn't it?
Riether had a knock Kelly on
Oh No, Reithers off....as if things couldnt get worse
ATM, I'm not seeing why Richardson consistently gets the start when he is healthy. He must be a tornado at Motspur because I really can't recall a good performance to date. Mind you he hasn't had a run of games to sharpen his skills and get match fitness but he needs to improve
Just went and poured myself a cup of tea. How many goals did I miss? :005:
they showed a few goals at half time but i didn't count them
they were obviously not from today tho
Should have bought Karagounis on and dropped Richardson back to play right back
jesus kelly on. it just gets worse.
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on December 15, 2012, 04:04:41 PM
they showed a few goals at half time but i didn't count them
they were obviously not from today tho
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the count of our shots just increased to ONE unfortunately it was blocked...
Liverpool losing 0-2 against Villa
Everton leading 0-1 at Stoke
Some good news ...
Baird made a pass that actually went to a Fulham player! Things are looking up.
No they aren't.
Christ.
for gods sake
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it couldn't be anything else, but deflection
Haha that was perfect.
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Richardson just want to have the ball and go round in a circle.
:beer:
Some pressure would have been nice...
This is beyond dreadful. No clue on offense. Richardson worse than useless, Roda barely better. Baird and Sidwell should refund their pay for the week.
What a fluke. Typical
don't know how much more of this I can stomach.
they fully deserved that, sadly
such a lucky goal, there was no way Taarabt was gonna score the way he was striking the ball today. We need a quick response though.
Yeah well we still have no shots so they deserve a bit of luck and we deserve nothing because we have not even tried to make a game of this. We could well get stuffed and not because QPR are good but because we just made no attempt at to make a game today.
Embarrasing Fulham.
Well that was always gonna happen..
Couple of observations:
1) Richardson is piss.
2) Shaun Wright-Phillips looks surprisingly like Eddie Murphy.
Kaca & Petric on for Richardson & Dave please.
We yet again have created nothing. QPR have been dreadful, we've just been worse
Quote from: grandad on December 15, 2012, 04:11:08 PM
What a fluke. Typical
Doesnt matter, we have been that bad, im not even botherered about it being a fluke. if we played like this on monday night it wouldve been 0-5 already
again, there is something not right about this team. I think it goes beyond not having some of the right players, they don't believe, they don't work together, and they don't seem to be up for matches
Now let's hope the players will actually preform as if they want to win this..
Total Fulhamish if they win this one.
C´mon we can´t let them win their 1st game.
Apparently Jol went in at half time with a face like thunder and some pundits feared the worse for the hapless eleven in white. Looks like he just went out for a fag though ...........................
Are we being paid to give this away I wonder?
Still yet to see why we bought Richardson. We have Briggs/Kaca/Frei/Dave/Kasami all of who can play on the left.
Baird. WTF
Baird has been absolutely awful
Utterly, utterly woeful.
We should just sub Baird for noone - it would improve us.
Berb`s looks lilke he runs out of steam ?!?!?!
wtf baird...
people calling for Rodders head again lol
we have created NOTHING that includes from the superstar that has moaned more than touched the ball
we need width, so far this season its the width thats been our good point and Richardson is not a threat what so ever and Duff today is not in the game....
Baird and Sidwell gone back to their best
We are throwing this match away! Baird almost cost us!
Richardson gets the hook
See, Baird can make a pass...
Get baird off --> pretty please. :035:
Get Baird off, he been woeful.
what has Richardson done in this game? bring on Kacaniklic or Dejagah please
What a shame IF they win there first game against US !!!!!
Taarabt making Sidwell and Baird look championship at best
I can't think of a game where Baird has been this clueless since he signed for us...
Just heard the commentator say -"It really looks like the Fulham players WANT to throw this away!" - Can't say I disagree, a piss-poor performance so far :(
-"Oh when the Whites!"
We have a group of "non-holding" midfielders!!!
Quote from: Nick the Swede on December 15, 2012, 04:19:23 PM
I can't think of a game where Baird has been this clueless since he signed for us...
Just heard the commentator say -"It really looks like the Fulham players WANT to throw this away!" - Can't say I disagree, a piss-poor performance so far :(
-"Oh when the Whites!"
i can assure you, there has been a few
this garbage.
Quote from: craig10 on December 15, 2012, 04:20:03 PM
Quote from: Nick the Swede on December 15, 2012, 04:19:23 PM
I can't think of a game where Baird has been this clueless since he signed for us...
i can assure you, there has been a few
Surely not at this abysmal level, or maybe my mind has chosen not to remember them
-"Oh when the Whites!"
This looks like the worst Fulham team since the Sanchez year. Probably the worst group of central midfielders in the Premiership.
I have absolutely no idea what tactics we are playing. How Baird has stayed on the pitch is utterly unbelievable
its games like this that show we need to have at least 3 players with youth and energy on their side in the XI
why is sidwell smiling? sort yourself out
This side is pathetic.
Buy some players who can play in this league.
Joke.
Fulham have been awful this afternoon and Djibril Cisse curls a good effort wide of the post for QPR after Chris Baird is again caught in possession in a dangerous spot. BBC
Razor blades at the ready.
How can virtually the same team from Monday be so poor today.
i feel this shows Fulham in a nutshell.... have your defence set and dont come out of position and we struggle.... we just have NO creativity what so ever. a QUICK creative player required. Berbatov has the class to create but is far to slow at times.
At least Riise didn't take that free kick.
I've had enough.
So many awful, aimless long balls to no one.
And lol.
Utter crap
Given him far too much room all game. Ridiculous. They should all be ashamed
what a joke.
Jol out.
Woeful defending.
they want it more. Unacceptable performance
Great. I'm off to top myself.
Absolutely disgraceful performance.
Wow. This is embarrassing.
QPR have scored 6 at home all season. 6!
This is properly atrocious. There's just no... anything in this performance.
Quote from: grandad on December 15, 2012, 04:24:11 PM
How can virtually the same team from Monday be so poor today.
look at the movement of collocini, simpson and gutierez on monday constantly attacking and out of position thus creating huge holes between the defensive midfelders and defenders for us to attack....
qpr today have kept their defenders tight and always in position and our lack of creative players means we somply cant get around them.... we dont even have pace
looks like it was us who were 16 without a win... awful
Fulham started the gift-giving early. :doh:
The Newcastle result appears an anomaly, an outlier in the downward spiral. Too many players with too little skill and/or too little heart. Baird has been wretched, can a player rate less than 0 for a match? Why is Richardson on the pitch?
We look like relegation fodder today. Absolute dog poo.
we need class in JANUARY !!!!
Pitiful.
Baird & Sidwell have been overrun completely. Richardson was on the starting roster but never seemed to be in the game. Hugo is a headless chicken. Mark just kicks the ball back to the HaHa's.
Pitiful.
That is all qpr have done all season is run and take pot shots from the edge of the area - typical we seem surprised by it
If we'd kept it to one they would have got nervous in the closing stages
Look at that. Robert Green has just got his flask and sandwiches out. He's having a picnic.
Frei,Briggs & Kasami should get a runout in the next few games. I thought the bad run was a blip but looks like monday was the blip
we are a crap side and deserve to be where we will be in the table. We have played a string of truly uninspiring performances and this is now a Jol problem. I can't recall us being this bad since Mark Hughes start with us.
Schwarzer needs to be replaced as well.
Long time since I have been so embarrassed by a Fulham side. One shot and there must be a time when we concede that the lack of class in our side by trying to save money in the last transfer window has made us relegation possibles. We are just very bad away at times.
Very predictable
Avoiding relegation would be a successful year. This is just not a good team. Ruiz would make a difference but let's face it, you can't rely on him.
How appropriate that the players' kit is black ... not as black as the performance. :012:
Seen enough, off to get breakfast...
What a steaming pile of dogshit.
If I was Berbatov I'd be looking away in January.
Utter, utter, utter piss.. Don't think I've seen us play this badly since the days when Tony Warner was our number 1.
Baird is having a shocker. Not only is he misplacing simple passes, but he's slowing the game right down allowing QPR plenty of time to organise their defence.
Quote from: Crede15 on December 15, 2012, 04:29:37 PM
Avoiding relegation would be a successful year. This is just not a good team. Ruiz would make a difference but let's face it, you can't rely on him.
Come off it. It's one game, talk about an overreaction.
This must rank as one of our worst ever performances. That is in 58 years of supporting.
people NEED to get out Berbatov's ass......
he is class but u would think he has been good today
I always try to find the positives, really hard this one....
I'll take 17th place now if anyone offered it. forget top half not happening.
We are relegation fodder if we continue to play like this . Get it sorted Jol
Baird having the worst match of his life
What a joke.
Baird has been QPR's best player. What a shocker
We have been positively woeful today, against a very bad club. Shameful.
Quote from: TKFJ_FFC on December 15, 2012, 04:25:27 PM
what a joke.
Jol out.
You sir, are a fool!
Talk about over reacting - not just this foolish statement, but all of you!!!
For a good few weeks now, we have all said that this the one - the Fulhamish one! And yet now it's actually happening it's somehow unbelievable and in this posters mind, Jol's fault?
I'm pretty bemused that Baird wasn't brought off. Maybe Jol felt it was less of a priority than improving our forward line.
People this is one game. Even against Stoke we weren't this bad. Stop overreacting.
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 15, 2012, 04:29:06 PM
we are a crap side and deserve to be where we will be in the table. We have played a string of truly uninspiring performances and this is now a Jol problem. I can't recall us being this bad since Mark Hughes start with us.
It isn't as much a Jol problem (apart maybe from his blindspot for Richardon) as much as it is a personnel problem.
Considering Diarra is never fit we have the worst CM options in the entire league, there isn't much a manager can do about that if the cheque book doesn't get used. Ironically CM (and maybe ALM) is the only place QPR are strong.
Utter shite.
Liverpool away next week. That should be fun.
Quote from: The Moose on December 15, 2012, 04:31:17 PM
Quote from: Crede15 on December 15, 2012, 04:29:37 PM
Avoiding relegation would be a successful year. This is just not a good team. Ruiz would make a difference but let's face it, you can't rely on him.
Come off it. It's one game, talk about an overreaction.
Not sure it's an overreaction. Look at the teams below us. Villa look set to get a huge win over Liverpool, and they don't look like a relegation team to me. Southampton is a bit of a mystery, but they've come through a difficult early schedule in decent shape. Sunderland are pretty awful, they certainly could go down. Wigan obviously have a history of finishing the year pretty well. Reading are the only team I look at and think, yeah they're pretty clearly going down.
I think we'll probably be ok, but this is just not a good team. We need some new players desperately.
The Jol out posts are hilarious though. The guy has a central midfield of Chris Baird and Steve Sidwell. You can only do so much with that. I don't get his fondness for Kieran Richardson but besides that he's done pretty well with what's available.
I think if QPR has played a blinder then fair enough but they haven't.
It's desperate that we have had to keep baird on. Sidwell also been garbage
"we need class in JANUARY !!!!"
Spot on. What we need is a class manager, not an incompetent tactician who seems unconcerned with the fitness levels of his team and has managed to alienate nearly all the decent players he inherited.
I cant keep eating as much as I want to throw up :020:
Saw this coming. It felt this was going to be a fulhamish match and I was right. QPR will stillgo down and we'll finsh 10th-13. Some of you need to take a valium.
Terrible performance.... not seen anything this bad since Sanchez!
I cant think of a worse performance by a Fulham player in a long time. Baird has been utterly woeful.
We havent looked like scoring, given the ball away too easily and have defended very very badly
This reminds me of our performances against Derby in their relegation season
Quote from: BestOfBrede on December 15, 2012, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: TKFJ_FFC on December 15, 2012, 04:25:27 PM
what a joke.
Jol out.
You sir, are a fool!
Talk about over reacting - not just this foolish statement, but all of you!!!
For a good few weeks now, we have all said that this the one - the Fulhamish one! And yet now it's actually happening it's somehow unbelievable and in this posters mind, Jol's fault?
Its the performance or lack of it. Its one of the worst i have seen in 35 years. Its really is that bloody poor.
I think if Jol fails to get maybe 2 wins in the next 4 games he might have a problem.
Lack of anything resembling football the way Fulham are playing.
:plus one:
Quote from: The Moose on December 15, 2012, 04:37:39 PM
People this is one game. Even against Stoke we weren't this bad. Stop overreacting.
Sense from 1 :plus one:
Its the sort of game that will have the emotions running high but there are some consistencies from the albeit few brighter times. Who is Rodallega, Richardson - why, and how has the baird/sidwell pairing suddenly gone tits up after earning loads of praise last time out. For me the ans2ers lie on te bench. What was the tactics and game plan on monday night. Newcastle tactically gifted us that one but we had no visible plan and again today, albeit with the benefit of a live feed we look without a plan, without an obvious tactic to play our game and no flexibility to counter what QPR are offering. The second should not have happened on at least four occassions. This aimless performance is down to the coach not the players but I expect post match we will start with the deep sigh and wide grimmace. This one is down to you Jol and not the league programme or injuries to one player.
For gods sake we will have the 'Arry is the Mesiah' headlines to deal with all week.........................
We need a leader out there today, Hangeland needs to be more vocal. If you were to look out there you'd think Berba was the captain.
Quote from: MJG on December 15, 2012, 04:22:25 PM
its games like this that show we need to have at least 3 players with youth and energy on their side in the XI
Absolutely agree with this and it also show that we need to get a forward moving creative mid into the squad in jan.
Here's hoping Sidwell doesn't get a 096.gig just to round off an awful afternoon.
Not sure we are overreacting to one match but a spell of bad displays is followed by the worst display we have had in the Prem against an awful side. We are eleven strangers today and it is very worrying that a few more displays and we are in the relegation zone.
I repeat we laid the foundation to our struggles in the last transfer window. It would be different if we looked as if we were trying early on but we haven't. A team that looks as if we haven't won all season.
Quote from: The Moose on December 15, 2012, 04:41:13 PM
We need a leader out there today, Hangeland needs to be more vocal. If you were to look out there you'd think Berba was the captain.
thats the least of our problems. dont anyone tell me someone having the armband today would have made any difference.
No fight and completely devoid of ideas. The only surprise is that QPR are only 2 up. Embarrassing.
Oh!
We did so bad in the first window .......please don`t let us down again in January
Weeeee need at least 3 class player !!!!
Some hope at last. Here's praying for a bit of Fulhamish luck
Now, what are the chances?
Just goes to show if we made an effort we could have gained a result.
Petric comes on, gets shot on target, hassles their back four and scores. Rodders starts ahead of him and does nothing. Again the pointy finger is aimed at Jol.
Peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetric
They keep going backwards!
QPR look to have about 3/4 more players out there. Always to the second ball, always with options when in possession.
Quote from: ScalleysDad on December 15, 2012, 04:47:02 PM
Petric comes on, gets shot on target, hassles their back four and scores. Rodders starts ahead of him and does nothing. Again the pointy finger is aimed at Jol.
berba also started ahead of him and did nothing
If we weren't playing the ha ha's the reaction would not be this overly emotive! Agreed it is terrible but we have played poorly many many times and will do again. It ain't the end of the world -Yet!
Quote from: ScalleysDad on December 15, 2012, 04:47:02 PM
Petric comes on, gets shot on target, hassles their back four and scores. Rodders starts ahead of him and does nothing. Again the pointy finger is aimed at Jol.
you could add all the team to that list
But we beat Norwich 5-0. :hook:
Quote from: BestOfBrede on December 15, 2012, 04:48:32 PM
If we weren't playing the ha ha's the reaction would not be this overly emotive! Agreed it is terrible but we have played poorly many many times and will do again. It ain't the end of the world -Yet!
Disagree, its not who, but how we are playing. no fight, no skill, no composure...nothing
Let me be clear Baird isn't the only one to blame but he's been the worst player on the pitch for me. Distribution so so poor by his standards.
I doubt there is has been a worse individual performance for us in the premier league than that of baird's today
There are a number of average players in our squad who would play well in a good side but we have too many average players in the starting eleven every week.
The likes of hughes and hangerland are exposed by too many poor midfield players, sidwell and Diarra are good team players but shouldn't be running the show together. baird has been exposed to often and regardless of his commitment is not good enough for the premier.
I would rather see Kasami given a run of games in the centre than continue with baird
Quote from: ScalleysDad on December 15, 2012, 04:47:02 PM
Petric comes on, gets shot on target, hassles their back four and scores. Rodders starts ahead of him and does nothing. Again the pointy finger is aimed at Jol.
Petric had a run in the team and didn't impress, Rodallega on the other hand was excellent against Newcastle. No one impressed today.
far too little... far too late.
shocking performance, move on to next week and hopefully play a bit better.
I was waiting till after today to bet on qpr's relegation. Still nailed on in my option but now with better odds.
Quote from: RoyTund on December 15, 2012, 04:52:30 PM
I doubt there is has been a worse individual performance for us in the premier league than that of baird's today
Woh there. Is your memory really that good? That's a grand statement.
I can't believe we got smashed by QPR, we looked like the team battling for relegation.
SHAMEFUL DISPLAY
Thats the worst ive seen in a long time.
Also, it was the most predictable result of all time
we are easy to beat... or certainly stop scoring
play a 4.4.2 and simply hold ur positions... we dont have the creativity to score..
the first 1/4 of the season we were looking class down either wing with Kaka and Duffers with the overlapping of Riise and Reither and that is were our creativity has come from however everytime we start Richardson that doesnt exsist.
i understand starting him against a top 6 side if you want the extra cover for Riise but not so much against QPR
and the obvious lack of ability in the centre of midfield... when they play at 100% Baird and Sidwell do a job but anything less than that they simply arent good enough
Quote from: The Moose on December 15, 2012, 04:54:25 PM
Quote from: RoyTund on December 15, 2012, 04:52:30 PM
I doubt there is has been a worse individual performance for us in the premier league than that of baird's today
Woh there. Is your memory really that good? That's a grand statement.
it is and i mean it. nearly every pass backwards or given away.
Amazing preformance!. I did not think that we had it in us to be so uninspired and in general not goal seeking as we where today.
Unbelievably bad. Craig1q0 - out of berbatovs ass? Every time he's had the ball he's the only player to do something productive with it. He just hasnt had the ball. Considering our progression under Jol, this is the worst performance I've seen by a side he's put out. Baird and Sidwell utterly dominated by Taraabt. The two of them seemed always to be marking him yet he got away from them every time.
Such a shame we didn't get an equaliser at the end there, I would have found the reaction on here hysterical !
Jol out fp.gif
Always felt this was going to be a battle in Midfield today, wrong tactics should have played 4 in midfield with Berba up top to hold the ball, sidwell and Baird were overun today and Tarrabt allowed to wander where he wanted. Karagounis should have started picking up Tarrabt as Rodellaga was never going to be involved playing as a lone striker. Jol got it wrong today, lets hope we get it right against Liverpool.
Think Sidwell got his 5th yellow?
Quote from: BestOfBrede on December 15, 2012, 04:58:57 PM
Such a shame we didn't get an equaliser at the end there, I would have found the reaction on here hysterical !
Jol out fp.gif
It would not have hidden the previous 80 odd minutes. you dont start playing with ten minutes left.
Nothing new, those saying Jol out need a reality check quick.
WHERE IS KASAMI?
Every single player should write a letter of apology to the fans that spent their hard earned money to go to that game
Jol out means we lose Berb as well. Not a chance we could cope without him right now.
I personally thought we'd set up too much to counteract QPR though. Richardson and Dejagah are both more defensive options on the wing and Sidwell and Baird the same in the centre
Quote from: Matt Inglis on December 15, 2012, 05:00:28 PM
Nothing new, those saying Jol out need a reality check quick.
Exactly!
Well said George G.
Quote from: BestOfBrede on December 15, 2012, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: Matt Inglis on December 15, 2012, 05:00:28 PM
Nothing new, those saying Jol out need a reality check quick.
Exactly!
Jol got this badly wrong today, berba needs a kick up the you know where, richardson was hopeless and stayed on too long. the second change should have been kaka not dejagah, in fact kaka should have started. one poor game shouldn't mean you are seen instantly dropped. The pace was too slow and we go backwards to often, this is all the managers fault. i am not calling for his head, far from it but he does need to wake up!
Quote from: nose on December 15, 2012, 05:06:06 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on December 15, 2012, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: Matt Inglis on December 15, 2012, 05:00:28 PM
Nothing new, those saying Jol out need a reality check quick.
Exactly!
Jol got this badly wrong today, berba needs a kick up the you know where, richardson was hopeless and stayed on too long. the second change should have been kaka not dejagah, in fact kaka should have started. one poor game shouldn't mean you are seen instantly dropped. The pace was too slow and we go backwards to often, this is all the managers fault. i am not calling for his head, far from it but he does need to wake up!
Berba? It wasn't his fault we had no centre midfield - he was having to drop into our half sometimes to pick up the ball
I heard we owed some back rent and to play it off we gave them 3 points
Quote from: nose on December 15, 2012, 05:06:06 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on December 15, 2012, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: Matt Inglis on December 15, 2012, 05:00:28 PM
Nothing new, those saying Jol out need a reality check quick.
Exactly!
Jol got this badly wrong today, berba needs a kick up the you know where, richardson was hopeless and stayed on too long. the second change should have been kaka not dejagah, in fact kaka should have started. one poor game shouldn't mean you are seen instantly dropped. The pace was too slow and we go backwards to often, this is all the managers fault. i am not calling for his head, far from it but he does need to wake up!
I 100% agree that Kaca should have started, poor call from Jol.
Its not the fact that we lost that riles me. Its the negative play, the incapacity to get the basic things right, the lack of creativity and just giving the ball away all the time.
Instead of having a MOTM poll this week, we should have a WMOTM (worst man of the match)
Apart from Taarabt they offered very little themselves. Our worst performance for a very long time made them look better than they really were. The result was always on the cards. Against Newcastle Baird & Sidwell had a one off but today they showed their true capability. Surely Karagounis & or Diaara & Kasami can´t do any worse. We must buy in January some quality creative midfielders.
Quote from: FC Silver Fox on December 15, 2012, 05:13:12 PM
Its not the fact that we lost that riles me. Its the negative play, the incapacity to get the basic things right, the lack of creativity and just giving the ball away all the time.
Instead of having a MOTM poll this week, we should have a WMOTM (worst man of the match)
Seconded
It`s just one game ?!?!?!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO it`s not just one game it`s a DERBY - and we lost it in a way you cannot play a derby -
NO PASSION - NO PRIDE - NO COMMITMENT - NOOOOO POINTS !!!!!
The Ha's will still get relegated and we will assist this with a home victory over them - so, peace to all men - it's CHRISTMAS !! ( nearly)
Quote from: Matt Inglis on December 15, 2012, 05:08:23 PM
Quote from: nose on December 15, 2012, 05:06:06 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on December 15, 2012, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: Matt Inglis on December 15, 2012, 05:00:28 PM
Nothing new, those saying Jol out need a reality check quick.
Exactly!
Jol got this badly wrong today, berba needs a kick up the you know where, richardson was hopeless and stayed on too long. the second change should have been kaka not dejagah, in fact kaka should have started. one poor game shouldn't mean you are seen instantly dropped. The pace was too slow and we go backwards to often, this is all the managers fault. i am not calling for his head, far from it but he does need to wake up!
I 100% agree that Kaca should have started, poor call from Jol.
I don't buy that. He's an impact sub. He's rarely put in a decent full game and exposes the defence. Having said that, Richardson was woeful, and I would have put Kaca on at half time. But the injury to Riether also hurt us, and maybe delayed the intended substitutions. Petric for Rodallega made sense - Hill had Rodallega in his pocket all match. SHame Diarra wasn't on the bench, because I would have pulled Baird and put him on.
thats 9 games in a row of average to poor performances. Even our only win against Newcastle we were playing against a side that is playing poorer than us, and we beat them at home. Chelsea draw was also against a side that was on the skids.
We are a terrible side right now. Those of you who are one-off'ing this loss as 'isolated' or down to this player or that player, or this injury or that injury are not taking in the whole. We are not good side, nor are we a top half side.
Quote from: Snibbo on December 15, 2012, 05:15:34 PM
Quote from: Matt Inglis on December 15, 2012, 05:08:23 PM
Quote from: nose on December 15, 2012, 05:06:06 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on December 15, 2012, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: Matt Inglis on December 15, 2012, 05:00:28 PM
Nothing new, those saying Jol out need a reality check quick.
Exactly!
Jol got this badly wrong today, berba needs a kick up the you know where, richardson was hopeless and stayed on too long. the second change should have been kaka not dejagah, in fact kaka should have started. one poor game shouldn't mean you are seen instantly dropped. The pace was too slow and we go backwards to often, this is all the managers fault. i am not calling for his head, far from it but he does need to wake up!
I 100% agree that Kaca should have started, poor call from Jol.
I don't buy that. He's an impact sub. He's rarely put in a decent full game and exposes the defence. Having said that, Richardson was woeful, and I would have put Kaca on at half time. But the injury to Riether also hurt us, and maybe delayed the intended substitutions. Petric for Rodallega made sense - Hill had Rodallega in his pocket all match. SHame Diarra wasn't on the bench, because I would have pulled Baird and put him on.
I don't agree that kaka particularly exposes the defence but key thing is he takes the game to the opposition, you have to give their defence stuff to do not just let them attack you all the time.
Do we continue with sidwell and diarra/baid in the centre and hope to grind out a few results or give Kasami a run in the team to see what he can do?
Kasmi for me, I dont expect miracles but if he is worth being in the squad its time to give him some game time.
why when Richardson plays does Riise RARELY overlap???? yet Richardson is more defensive than KACA.... however when Kaca plays infront of Risse he is always on the over lap
Remember that side we had out at arsenal? where are you!
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 15, 2012, 05:15:42 PM
thats 9 games in a row of average to poor performances. Even our only win against Newcastle we were playing against a side that is playing poorer than us, and we beat them at home. Chelsea draw was also against a side that was on the skids.
We are a terrible side right now. Those of you who are one-off'ing this loss as 'isolated' or down to this player or that player, or this injury or that injury are not taking in the whole. We are not good side, nor are we a top half side.
It's a team that after numerous Managers and staff changes is a work in progress and not doing too badly considering.
.... an' anuvver fing..... its supposed to be the end of the world next week. We could have at least finished this existence with a win.
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 15, 2012, 05:15:42 PM
thats 9 games in a row of average to poor performances. Even our only win against Newcastle we were playing against a side that is playing poorer than us, and we beat them at home. Chelsea draw was also against a side that was on the skids.
We are a terrible side right now. Those of you who are one-off'ing this loss as 'isolated' or down to this player or that player, or this injury or that injury are not taking in the whole. We are not good side, nor are we a top half side.
Said this weeks ago, we lack direction and a spine
That was truly awful
Quote from: craig10 on December 15, 2012, 05:19:01 PM
why when Richardson plays does Riise RARELY overlap???? yet Richardson is more defensive than KACA.... however when Kaca plays infront of Risse he is always on the over lap
Because Richardson seems incapable of passing the ball forward. Did you see Berbatov bite his head off at least 3 times for not passing it to him in an advanced position.
Richardson seems to be a left footed player who wants to play it inside all the time and never down the line. Hence Riise thinks sod that whats the point.
I really really do not understand what he brings to the squad let alone starting. Is he really going to push Riise for a place. I have Richardson about 4th in line for the wide left starting position.
Quote from: nose on December 15, 2012, 05:18:34 PM
Quote from: Snibbo on December 15, 2012, 05:15:34 PM
Quote from: Matt Inglis on December 15, 2012, 05:08:23 PM
Quote from: nose on December 15, 2012, 05:06:06 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on December 15, 2012, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: Matt Inglis on December 15, 2012, 05:00:28 PM
Nothing new, those saying Jol out need a reality check quick.
Exactly!
Jol got this badly wrong today, berba needs a kick up the you know where, richardson was hopeless and stayed on too long. the second change should have been kaka not dejagah, in fact kaka should have started. one poor game shouldn't mean you are seen instantly dropped. The pace was too slow and we go backwards to often, this is all the managers fault. i am not calling for his head, far from it but he does need to wake up!
I 100% agree that Kaca should have started, poor call from Jol.
I don't buy that. He's an impact sub. He's rarely put in a decent full game and exposes the defence. Having said that, Richardson was woeful, and I would have put Kaca on at half time. But the injury to Riether also hurt us, and maybe delayed the intended substitutions. Petric for Rodallega made sense - Hill had Rodallega in his pocket all match. SHame Diarra wasn't on the bench, because I would have pulled Baird and put him on.
I don't agree that kaka particularly exposes the defence but key thing is he takes the game to the opposition, you have to give their defence stuff to do not just let them attack you all the time.
Well he certainly couldn't have done much worse than Richardson, but I suspect that he'll disappoint as well if played too early for too long. I think the real problem is the dependence on Sidwell and Baird. Sidwell was constantly having to retrieve Baird's mistakes. There's no creativity there, and today there was no defensive ability either, Baird being the main culprit.
Quote from: FC Silver Fox on December 15, 2012, 05:22:31 PM
.... an' anuvver fing..... its supposed to be the end of the world next week. We could have at least finished this existence with a win.
Good point. But it's
Fulhamish to go out with a whimper, not a bang.
Its all about the centre midfield
Quote from: FC Silver Fox on December 15, 2012, 05:22:31 PM
.... an' anuvver fing..... its supposed to be the end of the world next week. We could have at least finished this existence with a win.
ok, this made me laugh. :011:
Thank you sir!
Quote from: Snibbo on December 15, 2012, 05:15:34 PM
Quote from: Matt Inglis on December 15, 2012, 05:08:23 PM
Quote from: nose on December 15, 2012, 05:06:06 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on December 15, 2012, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: Matt Inglis on December 15, 2012, 05:00:28 PM
Nothing new, those saying Jol out need a reality check quick.
Exactly!
Jol got this badly wrong today, berba needs a kick up the you know where, richardson was hopeless and stayed on too long. the second change should have been kaka not dejagah, in fact kaka should have started. one poor game shouldn't mean you are seen instantly dropped. The pace was too slow and we go backwards to often, this is all the managers fault. i am not calling for his head, far from it but he does need to wake up!
I 100% agree that Kaca should have started, poor call from Jol.
I don't buy that. He's an impact sub. He's rarely put in a decent full game and exposes the defence. Having said that, Richardson was woeful, and I would have put Kaca on at half time. But the injury to Riether also hurt us, and maybe delayed the intended substitutions. Petric for Rodallega made sense - Hill had Rodallega in his pocket all match. SHame Diarra wasn't on the bench, because I would have pulled Baird and put him on.
Whether or not he should naturally be used as an impact sub is not relevant in this case. The fact of the matter is if it's a choice between Kaca or Richardson, who's come back from injury as well as being in a purple patch, Kaca wins every time.
Worst game I've attended. Enough said.
