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Title: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: rusty shackleford on December 26, 2012, 02:20:03 PM
Schwarzer, Riether, Hangeland, Senderos, Riise, Dejagah, Sidwell, Baird, Kacaniklic, Berbatov, Rodallega.


#ffc subs: Stockdale, Kelly, Karagounis, Briggs, Hughes, Ruiz, Frei.


Southampton v #ffc: K. Davis, Clyne, Fonte, Yoshida, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Cork, S. Davis, Puncheon, Ramírez, Lambert.

Southampton subs v #ffc: Boruc, Hooiveld, Rodriguez, Ward-Prowse, Guly, Richardson, Mayuka.
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: rusty shackleford on December 26, 2012, 02:20:24 PM
Where is Duff?
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: bucksfulham on December 26, 2012, 02:21:15 PM
Where is Duff?
Injjured
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: St Eve on December 26, 2012, 02:21:45 PM
Senderos?
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: Bryanthebroom on December 26, 2012, 02:22:13 PM
Senderos starting, really struggling with negative thoughts.
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: Mr Fulham on December 26, 2012, 02:28:17 PM
And Kasami not even on the bench, but three defenders. This is an utter joke, I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on December 26, 2012, 02:31:35 PM
Why is Hughes benched? That's a very odd one. Why three defenders on the bench?
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: Snibbo on December 26, 2012, 02:35:21 PM
Well I suppose the defence has been so cr*p that a change has to be tried. Surprised its Hughes though - he's been marginally better than Hangeland. I suppose you can't easily drop the captain.
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: horse1031 on December 26, 2012, 02:37:28 PM
atleast richardson can't mess this one up.  i am happy with the team.  sidwell and baird hopefully boss the midfield.  we need to get JAR involved in the attack.  be nice to get an early goal and i hope its berbatov...
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: Snibbo on December 26, 2012, 02:39:58 PM
atleast richardson can't mess this one up.  i am happy with the team.  sidwell and baird hopefully boss the midfield.  we need to get JAR involved in the attack.  be nice to get an early goal and i hope its berbatov...
I think that's what it rides on - if Sidwell and Baird don't drastically improve on their QPR, and in Baird's case Liverpool too, performances, then we won't get anything. Ruiz on in the 2nd half maybe if we are in trouble.
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: cebu on December 26, 2012, 02:43:05 PM
Well at least Senderos is available as a whipping boy if things go wrong.  :hook:
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: ash on December 26, 2012, 02:44:20 PM
Sidwell, Baird and Senderos? I'm worried. I really hope I'm proved wrong. COYW.
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: ScalleysDad on December 26, 2012, 02:50:02 PM
And Kasami not even on the bench, but three defenders. This is an utter joke, I'm sorry.


Have to agree. So if Rodders is having a mare or for whatever is'nt getting involved and Berbatov is wearing his sulky pants .......... Frei in the middle as a No.9 ? .............. Jol is going to cop it if this goes badly. If he has dropped Richardson for being ineffective then a ripple of applause but this is even more one dimensional than the previous games. Big one for Sidwell I think and Diarra can get lost now. What has kept him out today .......... too windy?
Good luck everybody
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: FFCfan on December 26, 2012, 02:50:20 PM
Any links for the game ....

Hope for another Newcastle performance.

 :clap_hands: :clap_hands: :clap_hands:
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: rusty shackleford on December 26, 2012, 02:51:06 PM
The stream im using are showing the 3-3 game from a few years ago. Ahhh the memories. Diop Malbranque McBride et all
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: cebu on December 26, 2012, 02:54:22 PM
Any links for the game ....

Hope for another Newcastle performance.

 :clap_hands: :clap_hands: :clap_hands:

The links are here:

http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=27097.0 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=27097.0)
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: ffcbulgaria on December 26, 2012, 02:55:08 PM
I dont care what goes wrong, it's Senderos' fault :)

I can foresee this one in many posts after the game!
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 02:58:20 PM
Don't like the idea of dropping Hughes, yes Lambert is good in the air but the threat down the wings is the real danger and if our full backs are beaten then Hangers and Senders will do their best Bambi on ice impersonations.
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: FFCfan on December 26, 2012, 02:58:47 PM
Any links for the game ....

Hope for another Newcastle performance.

 :clap_hands: :clap_hands: :clap_hands:

The links are here:

http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=27097.0 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=27097.0)


Thanks
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 03:05:00 PM
Anyone got a working English stream? I've only got the frombar one working
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: FFCfan on December 26, 2012, 03:09:33 PM
Their Gk was complaining that Brebatov is not scoring very often ha ha

 :clap_hands: :clap_hands: :yay: :yay: :yay:
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 03:10:16 PM
Haha!

Keep calm and pass me the ball!

How humble ;)


-"Oh when the Whites!"
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: ffcbulgaria on December 26, 2012, 03:10:56 PM
LOL Keep calm and pass me the ball? :D
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 03:11:16 PM
Did he get booked?
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 03:11:30 PM
What a prat but what a hero. Score and he can write whatever he likes
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 03:11:39 PM
Yeah he's booked
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 03:11:48 PM
... and Trotta scores again for Brentford. A good Fulham start to this Boxing Day!


-"Oh when the Whites!"
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: Aaron on December 26, 2012, 03:12:19 PM
Yup, got booked for it..  Bit early in the game to have him on a yellow for my liking.
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: mccscratch on December 26, 2012, 03:12:51 PM
Berba... you are a class footballer...but that was far from a class thing to do in front of the home fans... talk about disrespecting the other members of your TEAM...
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: RoyTund on December 26, 2012, 03:13:29 PM
Reither - sign him up!
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: cebu on December 26, 2012, 03:13:49 PM
Anyone got a working English stream? I've only got the frombar one working

Try this one:

http://realtvsport.com/channel-6.php (http://realtvsport.com/channel-6.php)
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: Admin on December 26, 2012, 03:14:03 PM
Haha!

Keep calm and pass me the ball!

How humble ;)


-"Oh when the Whites!"

I will not be feelin the love until we are at least 2 or 3-0 up with Senderos in the side!
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 03:16:36 PM

I will not be feelin the love until we are at least 2 or 3-0 up with Senderos in the side!

Agreed, especially so when considering the lack of effort, heart, passion and skill in the last two games...


-"Oh when the Whites!"
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: ffcbulgaria on December 26, 2012, 03:18:56 PM
Great play by Riether/Dejagah they could develop to the best ever right side pair of Fulham.
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: Northern Cottager on December 26, 2012, 03:19:54 PM
Kaca is running Clyne ragged
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: ffcbulgaria on December 26, 2012, 03:20:26 PM
Also we're putting them to sleep by attacking mostly down the left then we bomb down the right :)
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 03:21:26 PM
Senderos doing exactly what I predicted, silly push, allows him inside far too easy. Hughes is much better in those situations.
Title: Re: Teams are in
Post by: Admin on December 26, 2012, 03:24:42 PM
Senderos doing exactly what I predicted, silly push, allows him inside far too easy. Hughes is much better in those situations.

Unfortunately we've got 2 games in 3 day. Hughes will be needed for Swansea as they will attack us much more than Southampton.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ffcbulgaria on December 26, 2012, 03:26:26 PM
Yea completely agree, Senderos is the only reason we're just 1-0 up. What a useless player.... Lets talk about Berbatov deliberately getting booked and going close to being sent off instead?
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 03:33:56 PM
It's the selection choice not the player. In this game Southampton's main threat is running and cutting in from wide. Senderos and Hangeland are not good together against these kinds of players, against Stoke fine but not Southampton, and teams with pace and good wingers. The real problem is we have no real alternative to Hughes and as fans no idea whether Hughes is rested or dropped.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 03:36:39 PM
Sorry, what exactly has Senderos done wrong this time? Talk about unfair criticism. I'm more worried by Baird being non existent in mf yet again
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 03:38:21 PM
Well he pushed their player over in the box and nearly gave away a needless penalty but other than that...
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 03:38:49 PM
I know we're winning but we still look really average
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ffcbulgaria on December 26, 2012, 03:39:33 PM
Im mosty worried by MS doing "amazing" passes to our defenders and the retarded long balls up front when it's obvious we're about 26734 times better by passing it up the pitch.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 03:40:49 PM
That kind of thing is exactly why Senderos shouldn't be starting. Didn't challenge for the header and left us wide open. I don't want him to fail but he isn't good enough. If Hughes could have started he should've.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Admin on December 26, 2012, 03:41:11 PM
Im mosty worried by MS doing "amazing" passes to our defenders and the retarded long balls up front when it's obvious we're about 26734 times better by passing it up the pitch.

Bypassing the midfield
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 03:41:15 PM
That was never going to be a penalty in a million years...
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ElissonSnygg on December 26, 2012, 03:42:01 PM
Second time Riise acting nonchalantly and looses the ball
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ffcbulgaria on December 26, 2012, 03:44:20 PM
who?
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 03:45:17 PM
QPR is losing to West Brom and I'm watching Newcastle on the telly and they are up on United 1-2 at the moment
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ElissonSnygg on December 26, 2012, 03:45:38 PM
who?

Riise offhand against QPR as well, gave Mackie a 1v1
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ffcbulgaria on December 26, 2012, 03:46:37 PM
oh that one was terrible he didnt even realize they were about to score while he was leaning on the advertising boards...

but didn't you notice it was Senderos' fault?
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 03:46:43 PM
Well we've been pretty terrible first half. Lucky that Saints have nothing going forward
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 03:48:38 PM
Lets be clear. We have been very very average. Saints have just been even more average. I haven't seen a great amount to convince me this game is in the bag
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ffcbulgaria on December 26, 2012, 03:48:51 PM
if we continue with the bloody long balls it can only get worse....
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: grandad on December 26, 2012, 03:49:56 PM
We are by passing our MF as we don´t have one. Having to play it down both wings. Very nervy performance.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: FFCfan on December 26, 2012, 03:51:26 PM
Well we've been pretty terrible first half. Lucky that Saints have nothing going forward

well when Ruiz comes on things will get better!

at least on the positive side we are 1-0 up.

 :clap_hands:
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ffcbulgaria on December 26, 2012, 03:52:02 PM
we're not passing down any wing, we're hoofing it forward for no reason
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 03:54:05 PM
I'd like to see Karagounis on for Baird with possibly Baird or Hughes in at centre back for Senderos. We need someone with a bit more confidence bringing it out at the back and Karagounis has been very useful lately.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: MurphLegend on December 26, 2012, 03:55:01 PM
what did berbatov's shirt say? my stream is blurry
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: JIMMY D on December 26, 2012, 03:55:16 PM
Baird has been terrible. He stays on he will lose us the game!
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: CanadianCottager on December 26, 2012, 03:56:10 PM
Plus: The Wolfs down the right look promising attacking, we're actually winning (hey!), Hangeland and Senderos have both been decent and haven't made any glaring errors between them.

Negatives: They're causing us some problems down the flanks, and while Dejather looks good going forward, Shaw has been bamboozling them when they're on the back foot. I've been told Rodallega is playing, has anyone seen him?

In all seriousness though, not a bad 45 minutes barring a few incidents of concern, but I'm feeling confident we'll pick up the 3 points. Seems like a few people still haven't forgiven Senderos for taking the last parking spot on Stevenage Road, he's been just fine, its the fullbacks who need to be a bit sharper when we lose possession imho.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: cmg on December 26, 2012, 03:56:58 PM
Noone scored for Cardiff in the 44th minute. Palace supporters blaming it on Senderos.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 03:57:39 PM
Lets be clear. We have been very very average. Saints have just been even more average. I haven't seen a great amount to convince me this game is in the bag

I'll be even clearer  :dft012:, we are a VERY poor side, nothing has changed from the last two months other than we scored a goal. We are in big trouble right now and nothing I've seen so far today makes me feel any better about this team

Having written all that, I am VERY happy we are up 1-0. We need the points badly. COYW!
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Bryanthebroom on December 26, 2012, 03:59:10 PM
Baird's doing ok, im sure every pass he's made has been backwards. Same old story everywhere else though, Riise and Schwarzer have had a couple of lapses each, Kaka and Dejagah have been bright on the wings though Kaka's final ball isn't always there - and Berba and Riether have been different class, defensively and going forward.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: MasterHaynes on December 26, 2012, 03:59:39 PM
 Berbas shirt message =keep calm just pass me the ball.

 We need to replace Rodellaga with jaragounis to bolster the midfield as playing an extra man up front just means they get no service
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: JustOverTheRiver on December 26, 2012, 03:59:57 PM
we have been arguing that there is more important places to strengthen than the attacking section of our team, but it should be a priority to strengthen every section of the team. we are not solid anywhere.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Bryanthebroom on December 26, 2012, 04:01:14 PM
what did berbatov's shirt say? my stream is blurry

'Keep Calm and Pass me the Ball!'

Just class.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ffcbulgaria on December 26, 2012, 04:02:42 PM
Ruiz for Kaka
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: horse1031 on December 26, 2012, 04:02:56 PM
what did berbatov's shirt say? my stream is blurry

'Keep Calm and Pass me the Ball!'

Just class.

thinks a bit of himself or just confidence?? :015:
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: grandad on December 26, 2012, 04:03:01 PM
Ruiz on for Kaca
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 04:03:59 PM
WTF, as pleased I am with seeing Ruiz again I can't see the logic behind subbing Kaca...


-"Oh when the Whites!"
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ffcbulgaria on December 26, 2012, 04:04:06 PM
what did berbatov's shirt say? my stream is blurry

'Keep Calm and Pass me the Ball!'

Just class.

thinks a bit of himself or just confidence?? :015:

I think the other players knew about this shirt and noone took offence. They seemed happy enough celebrating next to the writings :D
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ScalleysDad on December 26, 2012, 04:06:08 PM
Lets be clear. We have been very very average. Saints have just been even more average. I haven't seen a great amount to convince me this game is in the bag

I'll be even clearer  :dft012:, we are a VERY poor side, nothing has changed from the last two months other than we scored a goal. We are in big trouble right now and nothing I've seen so far today makes me feel any better about this team

Having written all that, I am VERY happy we are up 1-0. We need the points badly. COYW!

Agreed. If there was a stat for giving the ball away we would be way ahead. The back four are making me nervous and its not all about Senderos and as CC has said is Rodders out there? No aerial threat and chases down a bit before breaking into a skip and wandering off. I read somebody mentioning Berbatov and the yellow card. What a plonker! It could have been worse and then what would we have done. A mini experiment in life without Berbatov I suppose.  
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: BestOfBrede on December 26, 2012, 04:06:25 PM
what did berbatov's shirt say? my stream is blurry
"It's all Senderos's fault"
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 04:11:19 PM
A player can make mistakes without being at fault for everything. Riise is still underperforming, I'd like to see Briggs get a run at some stage.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: BestOfBrede on December 26, 2012, 04:16:54 PM
A player can make mistakes without being at fault for everything. Riise is still underperforming, I'd like to see Briggs get a run at some stage.
'twas sarcasm if referring to my reply!
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Azeedo on December 26, 2012, 04:17:59 PM
I hate not being able to watch the game, how's Ruiz doing.?
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 04:19:22 PM
Ok, he's had a couple of decent bits of play and overcomplicated things at times a bit too. You can tell he's been out a while really, good invention but not quite getting the final product.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 04:19:57 PM
I hate not being able to watch the game, how's Ruiz doing.?

looks decent, bit rusty but good to have him on the pitch, our possession in the mid field improves with him on the pitch
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 04:21:03 PM
Completely sick of Gale slating Senderos when he's doing nothing wrong. Yet.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:22:15 PM
Completely sick of Gale slating Senderos when he's doing nothing wrong. Yet.

He's given constructive criticism. As a former defender Gale is well within his right to state that Senderos is getting the wrong side of an attacker
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 04:22:31 PM
Completely sick of Gale slating Senderos when he's doing nothing wrong. Yet.

agreed not sure why he stated he "wrong sided him" when he put himself between the player and the goal....maybe I don't understand the game, I thought Senderos played him correctly
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Azeedo on December 26, 2012, 04:22:56 PM
Thanks for the info :-)
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 04:24:20 PM
Chris Baird is awful... seriously awful
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 04:24:46 PM
nice bit of play, too bad Dega missed that
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 04:25:56 PM
There's been a couple of times as I pointed out you can see Senderos, not quite getting it right. In a game like this fortunately we can get away with it, but he does make bad decisions. Another centre back has to come in soon, especially if Hangeland can't find his old form.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
Very strange in my book, both Deja and Kaca, who both did very well, subbed this early. I love to have Ruiz back an really like Frei, but very strange all the same...


-"Oh when the Whites!"
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 04:28:37 PM
Very strange in my book, both Deja and Kaca, who both did very well, subbed this early. I love to have Ruiz back an really like Frei, but very strange all the same...


-"Oh when the Whites!"

Strange indeed, perhaps he is just trying to place fresh legs in to keep the pace high? Keep them match fit since he doesn't seem to play the same XI week in and week out.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 04:29:39 PM
Hangeland and Senderos no chat, those errors will cost goals against good sides.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:29:51 PM
Very strange in my book, both Deja and Kaca, who both did very well, subbed this early. I love to have Ruiz back an really like Frei, but very strange all the same...


-"Oh when the Whites!"

Dejagah hasn't impressed me today. Deserved to come off.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 04:30:53 PM
Completely sick of Gale slating Senderos when he's doing nothing wrong. Yet.

He's given constructive criticism. As a former defender Gale is well within his right to state that Senderos is getting the wrong side of an attacker

I'd like to see someone play the offside trap from a goalside position...

He's not criticising anyone else though, is he? And nor is he giving any praise when Senderos does something well.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ffcbulgaria on December 26, 2012, 04:31:08 PM
We're doing everything possible to throw it away... disappointing
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:31:53 PM
Completely sick of Gale slating Senderos when he's doing nothing wrong. Yet.

He's given constructive criticism. As a former defender Gale is well within his right to state that Senderos is getting the wrong side of an attacker

I'd like to see someone play the offside trap from a goalside position...

He's not criticising anyone else though, is he? And nor is he giving any praise when Senderos does something well.

He doesn't do a lot well ;)
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 04:32:04 PM
Dejagah finds space well but he isn't always great at taking advantage of it.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
Riise needs to be dropped
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 04:34:02 PM
Appalling by Riise but Baird is taking too long to start the passes in midfield and it's cutting down our time.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:34:22 PM
Riise needs to be dropped

Truth
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 04:34:32 PM
Completely sick of Gale slating Senderos when he's doing nothing wrong. Yet.

He's given constructive criticism. As a former defender Gale is well within his right to state that Senderos is getting the wrong side of an attacker

I'd like to see someone play the offside trap from a goalside position...

He's not criticising anyone else though, is he? And nor is he giving any praise when Senderos does something well.

Exactly. Mild criticism of Berba but thats it. Seems personal in my opinion.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
Very strange in my book, both Deja and Kaca, who both did very well, subbed this early. I love to have Ruiz back an really like Frei, but very strange all the same...


-"Oh when the Whites!"

Dejagah hasn't impressed me today. Deserved to come off.

Oh, I think him and Reither has had a good game down their flank. He still has a lot to learn about premiership football but I think he's showing a lot of potential.


-"Oh when the Whites!"
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ScalleysDad on December 26, 2012, 04:34:58 PM
Looks like we have surrendered their half so again the opposition has plenty of time to build up, get all the support in position and look to probe for options. Even when a Saints player crosses the line we are stepping backwards. Sheesh. Nice high ball to Rodders ........... who won't be jumping for those any time soon. Double sheesh!
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 04:35:18 PM
Completely sick of Gale slating Senderos when he's doing nothing wrong. Yet.

He's given constructive criticism. As a former defender Gale is well within his right to state that Senderos is getting the wrong side of an attacker

I'd like to see someone play the offside trap from a goalside position...

He's not criticising anyone else though, is he? And nor is he giving any praise when Senderos does something well.

He doesn't do a lot well ;)

Typical of so many on here.

I've been critical of him in the past, but I've also given him credit when it's due.

Maybe he'll make a huge gaffe, but getting on his back for keeping the high line WITH his three defensive colleagues is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Aaron on December 26, 2012, 04:35:49 PM
Underwhelming in the extreme.  If they score we will lose this.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 04:36:05 PM
that volley was dangerous we almost dropped two points there...COYW! Pull your collective heads out and start playing like a team!
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:36:15 PM
Very strange in my book, both Deja and Kaca, who both did very well, subbed this early. I love to have Ruiz back an really like Frei, but very strange all the same...


-"Oh when the Whites!"

Dejagah hasn't impressed me today. Deserved to come off.

Oh, I think him and Reither has had a good game down their flank. He still has a lot to learn about premiership football but I think he's showing a lot of potential.


-"Oh when the Whites!"

Reither makes him look good I think. How old is Dejagah out of interest?
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 04:37:56 PM
Senderos did well there.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Aaron on December 26, 2012, 04:38:15 PM
Baird and Riise are incredibad these last few weeks.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:39:27 PM
Completely sick of Gale slating Senderos when he's doing nothing wrong. Yet.

He's given constructive criticism. As a former defender Gale is well within his right to state that Senderos is getting the wrong side of an attacker

I'd like to see someone play the offside trap from a goalside position...

He's not criticising anyone else though, is he? And nor is he giving any praise when Senderos does something well.

He doesn't do a lot well ;)

Typical of so many on here.

I've been critical of him in the past, but I've also given him credit when it's due.

Maybe he'll make a huge gaffe, but getting on his back for keeping the high line WITH his three defensive colleagues is ridiculous.

I was winding you up :)

I tend to shy away from opinions about defenders and let the experts call it. I think it is clear Gale is not a fan. I can't recall any performances from Senderos since he joined that suggest he is deserving of a place in our team. Thats my opinion but I acknowledge other people hold him in High regard.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Lighthouse on December 26, 2012, 04:41:04 PM
Jol must have a jigsaw puzzle for Xmas because he hasn't a clue what to do with the players he has. He keeps moving players all over the place during the game.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:41:26 PM
thrown it
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
Very strange in my book, both Deja and Kaca, who both did very well, subbed this early. I love to have Ruiz back an really like Frei, but very strange all the same...


-"Oh when the Whites!"

Dejagah hasn't impressed me today. Deserved to come off.

Oh, I think him and Reither has had a good game down their flank. He still has a lot to learn about premiership football but I think he's showing a lot of potential.


-"Oh when the Whites!"

Agreed Nick. I though he was doing fine but I admit I miss some of the subtle things in the match. A player like Dega will make something happen out of nohting and get you something special here and there, he needs to be played regularly to hone his match IQ given how young he is and how he can open up space
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: BillNRoc on December 26, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
Gentleman Jim's been all over Senderos, too.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: BillNRoc on December 26, 2012, 04:43:30 PM
Can we now appreciate just how poor a side FFC have become?

GJ: I don't know what Senderos is doing playing alongside Hangeland with Hughes sitting on the bench.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on December 26, 2012, 04:43:55 PM
Baird! That was completely unnecessary. Two points down the drain.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Lighthouse on December 26, 2012, 04:44:06 PM
Mistake by Senderos, mistake by Baird mistake by Jol. We are in all sorts of trouble. MAKES YOU WONDER IF WE CAN HANG ON FOR A POINT
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: kennethwong20 on December 26, 2012, 04:44:20 PM
senderos. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

i honestly think if Senderos got sent off before the penalty we would have won  096.gig ... COYW
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: grandad on December 26, 2012, 04:44:30 PM
Thankyou very much Mr Senderos
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 04:44:34 PM

Reither makes him look good I think. How old is Dejagah out of interest?

Think he's born in 1986.

Oh, Bairdinio... Going from Hero to Zero in a few games... C'mon lad, pick yourself up and deliver!


-"Oh when the Whites!"
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ScalleysDad on December 26, 2012, 04:44:54 PM
The defence worked hard to set up the equaliser. Credit to all of them.

Now be gone the lot of you by February !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 04:45:22 PM
I meant to say I thought the last sub was a mistake, seemed like a bit of a white flag and clinging on for the 1 0. I mean it's a set piece and stupid/unlucky but we were just trying to hold on. Disappointing. We won't be relegated but we aren't going anywhere either.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: JustOverTheRiver on December 26, 2012, 04:45:36 PM
This is getting thoroughly awful I watch. We don't play nice football. It has been all Southampton and to be honest I am depressed
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on December 26, 2012, 04:46:06 PM
Senderos has been poor, but how on earth is Tony Gale excluding Baird from any blame?
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: SaltfordWhite on December 26, 2012, 04:46:31 PM
What a good save.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 04:47:05 PM
something is very wrong with our team.... :dead horse:

it's a leadership problem
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 04:47:30 PM
My god we are awful. Baird has been abysmal for at least 3 games. We've yet again created nothing and defended terribly
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ash on December 26, 2012, 04:47:48 PM
gutting.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 04:50:57 PM
something is very wrong with our team.... :dead horse:

it's a leadership problem

I know some blame Jol, but I for one am not ready to go there yet. With all the injuries and the lack of time to replace the Dems I'll keep my criticism low until after the window...



-"Oh when the Whites!"
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 04:51:18 PM
Can Riise do a thing but foul?
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: TKFJ_FFC on December 26, 2012, 04:51:41 PM
Sack Jol already.

Garbage.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: JustOverTheRiver on December 26, 2012, 04:52:19 PM
Lets be honest, who is creating anything?
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Lighthouse on December 26, 2012, 04:52:26 PM
Once Rodders goes off we have no get out from long balls. Ruiz hasn't been in the game and Berbatov has gone missing because we have no ball forward. Three subs and changing the team around so often made us look blunt going forward. Plus we can't pass.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: rusty shackleford on December 26, 2012, 04:53:14 PM
so sick of this goddam bad football every week
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 04:53:21 PM
1 win in 11 games now. Another terrible performance, against a very poor Southampton side.

I still dont understand the tactics, both offensively and defensively. Baird and Riise yet again terrible. Where is this run going to end. I still think we'll be battling relegation.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Oakeshott on December 26, 2012, 04:53:27 PM
Another triumph for our Dutch lemon.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on December 26, 2012, 04:53:42 PM
Truly shameful performance. Still should have won though if not for Baird's moment of idiocy.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on December 26, 2012, 04:54:29 PM
1 win in 11 games now. Another terrible performance, against a very poor Southampton side.

I still dont understand the tactics, both offensively and defensively. Baird and Riise yet again terrible. Where is this run going to end. I still think we'll be battling relegation.

I wouldn't describe Southampton as very poor. Defensively maybe but they're decent going forward.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: BillNRoc on December 26, 2012, 04:54:52 PM
Does anyone here still believe this lot can compete with Swansea? Poor, poor, poor, poor, poor, p*ss poor.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: MisfitKid on December 26, 2012, 04:55:41 PM
Embarrassing.   fp.gif
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: bucksfulham on December 26, 2012, 04:56:05 PM
Senderos a shambles. No creativity in midfield. Berbatov the only player capable of holding the ball. Championship looming!
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Mr_Moon on December 26, 2012, 04:57:51 PM
Although he had a poor day, Senderos can't really be blamed for the build up to the penalty. Gale is a clueless idiot.

performance today yet again. I really can't wait for January.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: horse1031 on December 26, 2012, 04:58:03 PM
I have to tell you... kaca should have never come off for Ruiz.  Ruiz pranced around for 45 minutes.  his touch was off and shouldnt have come on until 75 or 80.  Baird really struggled today.  I thought Dejegah looked pretty good today and Reiter was good as normal.  Sidwell ran his butt off today and we should have had 3 points.  Stupid stupid hand ball by baird.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: supersimmo123 on December 26, 2012, 04:58:25 PM
We always look so light going forward, i dont think we can play someone off Berba or Berba just behind, we lack someone like a AJ who will run the channels with pace to create space, Dave does it but he is nowhere near good enough, Sendaros is unbelievable not even championship standard, we have major issues and I just hope enough can be done in Jan to sort out, after watching that Saints wont go down, so it opens another spot there.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: TWFL on December 26, 2012, 04:58:28 PM
Attack good. Defence shocking. Jol is spot on with looking for a new CB and GK. Hope to god they still want to come as we desperately need them. Hangeland is not playing well, Riise is playing poorly recently and Senderos was distinctly average with him, Riise and Sidwell defending stupidly which conceded the corner before they scored.

Thought Sidders, Ruiz, Berba and Rodallega looked good though.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: kennethwong20 on December 26, 2012, 04:58:36 PM
strange substitution(s) as well...

I'm sure everyone is happy to see Bryan Ruiz back on the pitch, but Kaca was definitely playing well in the first half... taking him off for Ruiz is very odd...

or the Karagounis one...
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Lighthouse on December 26, 2012, 04:58:43 PM
Berbatov was not that wonderful. A missed header and giving the ball away. So not one player or the manager seems to know how to keep the ball or pass the ball or where they are supposed to be playing.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Fulham_Surrey on December 26, 2012, 04:58:55 PM
We should have won.  That penalty was a shocking decision.  Why does Phil Dowd always referee against us?
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: L-Wizzy on December 26, 2012, 04:59:15 PM
not working as a team, we are not a team atm just a group of inderviduals playing in white shirts, we look like we dont know eachother like we strangers
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: TKFJ_FFC on December 26, 2012, 04:59:38 PM
Great idea to start Senderos.

He's been terrible for a while.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Rupert on December 26, 2012, 04:59:46 PM
Truly shameful performance. Still should have won though if not for Baird's moment of idiocy.

No, not Baird's moment, but Senderos'.

I admit, I personally do not understand why he is responsible for Baird throwing his arm at the ball, but I am on message for him being at fault. Doubtless someone else will explain it shortly.

The good news is, Alistair Mac can now clearly see we need to reinforce the team a tad, assuming he was not already aware, so next month will be interesting, to put it mildly.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Mr Fulham on December 26, 2012, 04:59:56 PM
I have to tell you... kaca should have never come off for Ruiz.  Ruiz pranced around for 45 minutes.  his touch was off and shouldnt have come on until 75 or 80.  Baird really struggled today.  I thought Dejegah looked pretty good today and Reiter was good as normal.  Sidwell ran his butt off today and we should have had 3 points.  Stupid stupid hand ball by baird.

We looked by far a better team after Ruiz came on. But he wasn't fit for 45 minutes.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Snibbo on December 26, 2012, 05:00:05 PM
We should have won.  That penalty was a shocking decision.  Why does Phil Dowd always referee against us?
Was a clear handball wasn't it?
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 05:00:12 PM
So Senderos is getting the blame for this one too?

Didn't Baird give away the pen? Didn't he also head straight to Southampton who then won the pen from the corner?

Didn't Senderos head the ball across to Riise, who headed it to Baird who did the above?
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: St Eve on December 26, 2012, 05:00:40 PM
Although he had a poor day, Senderos can't really be blamed for the build up to the penalty. Gale is a clueless idiot.

sh1t performance today yet again. I really can't wait for January.
i disagree. senderos was clueless again and Gale is absolutely correct
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ScalleysDad on December 26, 2012, 05:01:09 PM
Truly shameful performance. Still should have won though if not for Baird's moment of idiocy.


The 45 seconds before the corner and then the feeble challenge for the header are worthy of lower league sunday morning in the park stuff.Between them six highly paid premier league footballers could not clear a ball in a pantomime scene that started at least 30/35 yards away from goal. Truly shameful performance indeed but where does the autopsy start? The bench, the dug out, the back four, the back four ............ its endless.
Audible boo's at the end.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Fulham_Surrey on December 26, 2012, 05:01:31 PM
Snibbo, it was a handball, but he got pushed in the back. That was a foul for Fulham to start.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Rupert on December 26, 2012, 05:01:46 PM
We should have won.  That penalty was a shocking decision.  Why does Phil Dowd always referee against us?

The penalty was a textbook decision. You do not fling your arm at the ball, ever, unless you are the goalie.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 05:02:20 PM

I wouldn't describe Southampton as very poor. Defensively maybe but they're decent going forward.

What did Southampton create? Ramirez looks a semi decent player when he's not throwing himself to the floor. Other than that they were poor. We've only got 2 points against them from the 2 fixtures this season.

If anyone doesnt think we'll be dragged into the relegation scrap, I'll be amazed. The myth over Ruiz coming back and turning round our fortunes is just nonsense. Theres weaknesses all over the pitch, which we just cant solve in January.

Our mf just doesnt exist. Chris Baird is not a premier league player.
In defence, with the exception of Reither, the rest of them Hughes, Hangeland, Senderos and Riise are making loads and loads of mistakes. And no it isnt just Senderos.
None of the wingers have a final ball, and they all lose it far too easily.
Up front Berbatov is dropping too deep constantly, Rodellega works hard, but doesnt look threatening. Petric doesnt work hard, and cant play with Berbatov
Schwarzer gives the ball away CONSTANTLY
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: grandad on December 26, 2012, 05:02:38 PM
As bad as we were I still think the bottom 3 will go down. We are 6 pts above Wigan + a much better goal diff. We´ve been in worse positions than this. Keep the faith.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 05:05:30 PM
Great idea to start Senderos.

He's been terrible for a while.

I'll accept your comment but how does that have anything to do with our winning or losing the match? He neither caused not lead to the the goal that tied the match.

Whether Senderos plays or not, we lose on the road and can't win at home anymore. The team is poor...why go after a player who had nothing to do with the outcome?
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ron on December 26, 2012, 05:05:58 PM
Didn't see this game,but reading the opinions of those who did,it's difficult tow see where the points will come from in the second half of this season.....I was horrified to see the way LIverpool were just walking through us, and how qpr raised their game enough to take the points.....a downward trend is now evident, and morale is diving throughout the squad so that returning 100pc fit players may make little difference.

...time to begin asking questions about what is coming from the management....he proved himself as capable earlier on but in a results driven environment, reputation doesn't last long...?
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 05:08:54 PM
So Senderos is getting the blame for this one too?

Didn't Baird give away the pen? Didn't he also head straight to Southampton who then won the pen from the corner?

Didn't Senderos head the ball across to Riise, who headed it to Baird who did the above?

Posters are looking for someone to blame, since the manager is not the problem apparently, it must be a defender who had did nothing that lead to their goal in the game.  :dead horse: I guess it has nothing to do with the lack of heart, energy, desire or will of the same players who have been mailing it in for some time now, but no....... that's Senderos' fault, whether he be on the pitch or on the bench.....
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ron on December 26, 2012, 05:09:18 PM
We should have won.  That penalty was a shocking decision.  Why does Phil Dowd always referee against us?

The penalty was a textbook decision. You do not fling your arm at the ball, ever, unless you are the goalie.

.....or that fellow Terry down at the dog track...who only gets hand balled if he picks it up and actually starts running with it....?
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: BishopsParkFantastic on December 26, 2012, 05:09:45 PM
Very strange in my book, both Deja and Kaca, who both did very well, subbed this early. I love to have Ruiz back an really like Frei, but very strange all the same...


-"Oh when the Whites!"

Dejagah hasn't impressed me today. Deserved to come off.

Oh, I think him and Reither has had a good game down their flank. He still has a lot to learn about premiership football but I think he's showing a lot of potential.


-"Oh when the Whites!"

Agreed Nick. I though he was doing fine but I admit I miss some of the subtle things in the match. A player like Dega will make something happen out of nohting and get you something special here and there, he needs to be played regularly to hone his match IQ given how young he is and how he can open up space

Comparatively young - he's 27 years old isn't he? Duff has the cutting edge and experience between the two, and never deserved to lose his place. Deja's   good cover, and someone to bring on.....
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Northern Cottager on December 26, 2012, 05:09:58 PM
I cant believe everyone is claining they are chuffed with us going forward. We are slow, dull and laxk any spark going forward. As for defensively we need to get rid of the lot of them or prepare for the championship for the next few years. Without any doubt we should be beating teams like southampton at home. Awful,shambolic performances again!!
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: horse1031 on December 26, 2012, 05:10:15 PM
We should have won.  That penalty was a shocking decision.  Why does Phil Dowd always referee against us?

The penalty was a textbook decision. You do not fling your arm at the ball, ever, unless you are the goalie.

it was a stone cold penalty.  he threw his hand at the ball.  three points lost because of it.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Lighthouse on December 26, 2012, 05:10:23 PM
Baird did nothing today but give away a handball. Senderos made mistakes but also put his head and foot in when needed.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ffcbulgaria on December 26, 2012, 05:10:40 PM
Duff is injured
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on December 26, 2012, 05:12:00 PM

I wouldn't describe Southampton as very poor. Defensively maybe but they're decent going forward.

What did Southampton create? Ramirez looks a semi decent player when he's not throwing himself to the floor. Other than that they were poor. We've only got 2 points against them from the 2 fixtures this season.

If anyone doesnt think we'll be dragged into the relegation scrap, I'll be amazed. The myth over Ruiz coming back and turning round our fortunes is just nonsense. Theres weaknesses all over the pitch, which we just cant solve in January.

Our mf just doesnt exist. Chris Baird is not a premier league player.
In defence, with the exception of Reither, the rest of them Hughes, Hangeland, Senderos and Riise are making loads and loads of mistakes. And no it isnt just Senderos.
None of the wingers have a final ball, and they all lose it far too easily.
Up front Berbatov is dropping too deep constantly, Rodellega works hard, but doesnt look threatening. Petric doesnt work hard, and cant play with Berbatov
Schwarzer gives the ball away CONSTANTLY

They play attractive attacking football, very neat and easy on the eye. Granted they lack a killer instinct but I consider that a mark of a decent side.
Ruiz will help us offensively, he can create chances but he's never going to shore up the defence. He's an offensive player.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Aaron on December 26, 2012, 05:12:49 PM
I don't think January is going to help just as much as people think..  What makes us think we can buy ourselves out of trouble?

Currently, apart from Reading, we're the worst team in the league and by a margin at that.  We can't pass, we can't defend, we can't attack.. We're in a dogfight now.  What is even more depressing is that given we are going to lose the next two are we going to have any fight left in us whatsoever to try and take on Blackpool in the cup or beat Wigan?

Out of the cup while 17th and sinking on the evening of January 12th is bound to have the sort of players we want to sign in the transfer window queuing up..

I'm quite glad I took us at 20/1 for relegation a couple of weeks back as you can now get us at 9/1.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ffcbulgaria on December 26, 2012, 05:14:35 PM
Senderos was decent today. Okay he couldn't head the ball clear first time but then gave a solid pass to Riise who just blew up and 5 seconds later conceded the corner.

Riise was terrible the whole 2nd half. Baird at times with good interceptions at other times handing Chrismtas presents.
Schwarzer should be dropped. I hope he's injured his hand bad enough to miss a game. He can't kick a goddamn ball to a Fulham player and created at least 5 dangers with his disastrous passes.

Berbatov played his worst game so far or at least his worst half.
Agree that Kaca should've stayed on at least till the 60th minute but the problem wasn't that Ruiz is not fit enough... more like he was wasted on the right flank...
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: grandad on December 26, 2012, 05:15:16 PM
We should have won.  That penalty was a shocking decision.  Why does Phil Dowd always referee against us?

The penalty was a textbook decision. You do not fling your arm at the ball, ever, unless you are the goalie.

it was a stone cold penalty.  he threw his hand at the ball.  three points lost because of it.
Only 2 points as we drew 1-1
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: SaltfordWhite on December 26, 2012, 05:16:41 PM
What the hell did Schwarzer do wrong?!
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Aaron on December 26, 2012, 05:20:07 PM
Actually.. You know what?  It's Jol.

WHY was Kaca taken off for Ruiz?
WHY was Ruiz stuck out on the right?
WHY was Senderos or Baird on the pitch at all today?
WHY has Schwarzer not been dropped?
WHY do his substitutions and more often than not selections period make no sense?
WHY are we instructed even in scenarios where better options exist to pass it straight back to the keeper for him to give it away or bash it straight to the opposing keeper?

I see no attempt whatsoever to try and remedy the problems we have all been talking about for the past 4 or 5 weeks.  Before anyone says it, I don't know what the answer is either, but I'm not a Premiership manager.  All I see from us week in, week out, is the same bullpoo lack of anything going forwards and no attempt to shake things up.

The team is crap as well mind you.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Snibbo on December 26, 2012, 05:25:59 PM
What the hell did Schwarzer do wrong?!
Made some decent saves, but his woeful distribution constantly puts us under pressure. Mind you, that applies to several others too.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: TWFL on December 26, 2012, 05:26:39 PM
I don't think January is going to help just as much as people think..  What makes us think we can buy ourselves out of trouble?

Currently, apart from Reading, we're the worst team in the league and by a margin at that.  We can't pass, we can't defend, we can't attack.. We're in a dogfight now.  What is even more depressing is that given we are going to lose the next two are we going to have any fight left in us whatsoever to try and take on Blackpool in the cup or beat Wigan?

Out of the cup while 17th and sinking on the evening of January 12th is bound to have the sort of players we want to sign in the transfer window queuing up..

I'm quite glad I took us at 20/1 for relegation a couple of weeks back as you can now get us at 9/1.

Good god. You think we are the 2nd worst team by a margin? Ridiculous. We're on a bad run of form. Yes it's been long (11 games) but we are still in 13th and over halfway to 40 points. January will definitely help and bring in some confidence, fresh blood and competition for places. Just please try and keep a bit of faith in the team and Jol.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: BestOfBrede on December 26, 2012, 05:31:49 PM
I seem to remember the same first half of last season and then pow went mad for the second half! We also have the transfer window to hopefully add a few, particularly in defence and midfield.
I remain confident and will hopefully be repaid for that Blythe end of the season. We may look back on these posts and laugh and wonder why all the fuss and doubt? - I hope
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Aaron on December 26, 2012, 05:32:45 PM
Good god. You think we are the 2nd worst team by a margin? Ridiculous. We're on a bad run of form. Yes it's been long (11 games) but we are still in 13th and over halfway to 40 points. January will definitely help and bring in some confidence, fresh blood and competition for places. Just please try and keep a bit of faith in the team and Jol.

Currently, apart from Reading, we're the worst team in the league and by a margin at that.

Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: ron on December 26, 2012, 05:34:20 PM
Well, 11 games in the context of a 38 game league season is a fair chunk, wouldn't you say? I don't think anyone could be accused of panicking prematurely, none of these games we are losing and drawing are kickabouts that don't count!
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 05:39:29 PM
Well, 11 games in the context of a 38 game league season is a fair chunk, wouldn't you say? I don't think anyone could be accused of panicking prematurely, none of these games we are losing and drawing are kickabouts that don't count!

Couldnt agree more. 1 win in 11 is terrible.

Our next 6 games

Swansea (H)
WBA (A)
Wigan (H)
Man City (A)
W Ham (H)
Man U (A)

We'll lose the away games. On paper the home games look winable, but Swansea are a far better side than us. West Ham always beat us, so its just the Wigan game then....
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: FFC73 on December 26, 2012, 05:46:03 PM
Actually.. You know what?  It's Jol.

WHY was Kaca taken off for Ruiz?
WHY was Ruiz stuck out on the right?
WHY was Senderos or Baird on the pitch at all today?
WHY has Schwarzer not been dropped?
WHY do his substitutions and more often than not selections period make no sense?
WHY are we instructed even in scenarios where better options exist to pass it straight back to the keeper for him to give it away or bash it straight to the opposing keeper?

I see no attempt whatsoever to try and remedy the problems we have all been talking about for the past 4 or 5 weeks.  Before anyone says it, I don't know what the answer is either, but I'm not a Premiership manager.  All I see from us week in, week out, is the same bullpoo lack of anything going forwards and no attempt to shake things up.

The team is crap as well mind you.

I do not have the answers (I thought Senderos was ok today) but these questions frustrate the wotsit out of me as they are beginning to indicate Jol does not have the answers either
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Mr Fulham on December 26, 2012, 05:52:41 PM
Well, 11 games in the context of a 38 game league season is a fair chunk, wouldn't you say? I don't think anyone could be accused of panicking prematurely, none of these games we are losing and drawing are kickabouts that don't count!

Couldnt agree more. 1 win in 11 is terrible.

Our next 6 games

Swansea (H)
WBA (A)
Wigan (H)
Man City (A)
W Ham (H)
Man U (A)

We'll lose the away games. On paper the home games look winable, but Swansea are a far better side than us. West Ham always beat us, so its just the Wigan game then....

Would like to see our goal difference after the Manchester  matches. By the way, United should be a home match as we lost @ Old Trafford.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Aaron on December 26, 2012, 05:54:26 PM
Well, 11 games in the context of a 38 game league season is a fair chunk, wouldn't you say? I don't think anyone could be accused of panicking prematurely, none of these games we are losing and drawing are kickabouts that don't count!

Couldnt agree more. 1 win in 11 is terrible.

Our next 6 games

Swansea (H)
WBA (A)
Wigan (H)
Man City (A)
W Ham (H)
Man U (A)

We'll lose the away games. On paper the home games look winable, but Swansea are a far better side than us. West Ham always beat us, so its just the Wigan game then....

Would like to see our goal difference after the Manchester away matches.

I think the Man U game is at home?  Is it not?  It'd need to be as I have tickets! :)
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Denver Fulham on December 26, 2012, 05:59:44 PM
Senderos is not a good defender. He was inches from being culpable several times in the second half as he got beaten goalside. His poor header starter started the clown show that led to their goal, but many others will involved in that idiocy, too.

Schwarzer's distribution has become an enormous issue, since we don't have any players who can seem to hold the ball under pressure.

We got what we deserved today. We were played to a complete standstill by a crappy promoted side at home. We had two shots on target against one of the worst defenses in the league. A few other shots whistled just wide, but come on. That's awful.

I know Jol's somewhat limited with the guys he has right now, but this Rodellega thing at outside mid has to stop. Also, Ruiz shouldn't be playing right mid in a match where he's coming off a hammy and we can't keep hold of the freaking ball in the middle of the field.

It's all very frustrating at the moment, but we're on 21 points and two teams have 10. We should be able to hold Reading and QPR below us, and if we can't finish ahead of ONE of Wigan, Southampton, Norwich, Villa, Sunderland or West Ham, then we get what we deserve.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 06:09:35 PM
On Senderos, he has potential which is why he was at Arsenal, Milan and now us. If you're scouting a centre back he has all the things you look for, big, strong, decent pace. However he has either never learned to defend or never been able to put the theory into action on the pitch. I'm pretty sure it's the latter. I'm sure if you froze the game on tv and asked him where or what he should be doing, he'd give the right answer but in games he is not anywhere near consistent enough at making these decisions. In this game, among a few other examples that were not fatal in terms of scoreline he made errors like not challenging for the ball against Lambert when he dropped deep, allowing himself and Hangeland to be split too easily and others. A number of people have said he was ok, and he didn't perhaps affect the scoreline today but he was poor and gave Southampton a number of chances they weren't capable of taking advantage of. He isn't the sole player at fault and probably not our worst on the day but until he is capable of translating theory into practice he shouldn't be near the first team.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 06:15:30 PM
We got what we deserved today. We were played to a complete standstill by a crappy promoted side at home. We had two shots on target against one of the worst defenses in the league. A few other shots whistled just wide, but come on. That's awful.

It's all very frustrating at the moment, but we're on 21 points and two teams have 10. We should be able to hold Reading and QPR below us, and if we can't finish ahead of ONE of Wigan, Southampton, Norwich, Villa, Sunderland or West Ham, then we get what we deserve.

Very true.....but I am also left with the questions "WHAT happened to our ambition?"...... What happened to the attitude of guys like Reither who was talking of a top 6 finish after our first few matches? What happened to our determination? Our team spirit?

Did it all drain away with two successive injuries to a single player?....Ruiz

I'm not satisfied with finishing 17th. I want more. We deserve more and we have the players for more. The fact that we are all thinking about just surviving now is an indictment of the club, as a whole, and the moves it has made over the summer and on the pitch this season. Some of the players don't care as much and that worries me the most.

We need to sort it out!!!!!
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on December 26, 2012, 06:17:58 PM
Main problem as I see it...
We have no play maker in CM (Ruiz?) and rely on getting the ball out wide quickly.
But we have a number of wide players who all (duff apart?) do not keep the ball for more than a couple of touches, get past the opposition into dangerous areas enough, do not cross into the box enough and give the ball away too often too cheaply.
When you have 2 CM who sit in front of the back 4 and we keep giving the ball away it puts you on the back foot again and again and isolates the forwards however good they are and puts even more pressure on.
The players picked in the team by the manager cannot play the way he wants it to  
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Denver Fulham on December 26, 2012, 06:23:37 PM
One addendum: It was *plainly* obvious after Dembele and Dempsey left in late August that a lot of our fortunes in the first half of the season would be pinned on Bryan Ruiz. Berba can handle that role, but then he's just spraying the ball around to guys who aren't very good or aren't very experienced.

Ruiz is not a defensive player, but when he's fully healthy, his ability to hold possession and create helps our defense. We simply could not keep possession in the second half today. It was appalling.

We're going to need to buy a midfielder (or two) in January. It would also help if Duff got healthy again and we could have Diarra for a few games before he traipses off again to Africa for the Cup of Nations. Also, Briggs needs to get a runout soon. Riise's just adding nothing to the equation right now.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: Denver Fulham on December 26, 2012, 06:26:36 PM
I'm not satisfied with finishing 17th. I want more. We deserve more and we have the players for more. The fact that we are all thinking about just surviving now is an indictment of the club, as a whole, and the moves it has made over the summer and on the pitch this season. Some of the players don't care as much and that worries me the most.

Be satisfied with that. The last time that happened, we qualified for Europe the next season. This was always going to be a transitional year after we lost Dembele. He was so crucial to this season. We made a good short-term buy with Berba and we grabbed some points early before injuries and the flaws in this depleted roster have been exposed. We'll steady ourselves in January, get enough points and stay up, which is the only goal now for this season. Then we can continue the overhaul over the summer.
Title: Re: Southhampton Match Thread......
Post by: H3Matt on December 26, 2012, 06:34:42 PM
Actually.. You know what?  It's Jol.

WHY was Kaca taken off for Ruiz?
WHY was Ruiz stuck out on the right?
WHY was Senderos or Baird on the pitch at all today?
WHY has Schwarzer not been dropped?
WHY do his substitutions and more often than not selections period make no sense?
WHY are we instructed even in scenarios where better options exist to pass it straight back to the keeper for him to give it away or bash it straight to the opposing keeper?

I see no attempt whatsoever to try and remedy the problems we have all been talking about for the past 4 or 5 weeks.  Before anyone says it, I don't know what the answer is either, but I'm not a Premiership manager.  All I see from us week in, week out, is the same bullpoo lack of anything going forwards and no attempt to shake things up.

The team is crap as well mind you.

Couldn't agree more. You can only blame the players for so much, Jol's tactics, team selections and sub decisions have cost us dearly this season.