Schwarzer, Riether, Hangeland, Senderos, Riise, Dejagah, Sidwell, Baird, Kacaniklic, Berbatov, Rodallega.
#ffc subs: Stockdale, Kelly, Karagounis, Briggs, Hughes, Ruiz, Frei.
Southampton v #ffc: K. Davis, Clyne, Fonte, Yoshida, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Cork, S. Davis, Puncheon, Ramírez, Lambert.
Southampton subs v #ffc: Boruc, Hooiveld, Rodriguez, Ward-Prowse, Guly, Richardson, Mayuka.
Where is Duff?
Senderos?
Senderos starting, really struggling with negative thoughts.
And Kasami not even on the bench, but three defenders. This is an utter joke, I'm sorry.
Why is Hughes benched? That's a very odd one. Why three defenders on the bench?
Well I suppose the defence has been so cr*p that a change has to be tried. Surprised its Hughes though - he's been marginally better than Hangeland. I suppose you can't easily drop the captain.
atleast richardson can't mess this one up. i am happy with the team. sidwell and baird hopefully boss the midfield. we need to get JAR involved in the attack. be nice to get an early goal and i hope its berbatov...
Quote from: horse1031 on December 26, 2012, 02:37:28 PM
atleast richardson can't mess this one up. i am happy with the team. sidwell and baird hopefully boss the midfield. we need to get JAR involved in the attack. be nice to get an early goal and i hope its berbatov...
I think that's what it rides on - if Sidwell and Baird don't drastically improve on their QPR, and in Baird's case Liverpool too, performances, then we won't get anything. Ruiz on in the 2nd half maybe if we are in trouble.
Well at least Senderos is available as a whipping boy if things go wrong. :hook:
Sidwell, Baird and Senderos? I'm worried. I really hope I'm proved wrong. COYW.
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 26, 2012, 02:28:17 PM
And Kasami not even on the bench, but three defenders. This is an utter joke, I'm sorry.
Have to agree. So if Rodders is having a mare or for whatever is'nt getting involved and Berbatov is wearing his sulky pants .......... Frei in the middle as a No.9 ? .............. Jol is going to cop it if this goes badly. If he has dropped Richardson for being ineffective then a ripple of applause but this is even more one dimensional than the previous games. Big one for Sidwell I think and Diarra can get lost now. What has kept him out today .......... too windy?
Good luck everybody
Any links for the game ....
Hope for another Newcastle performance.
:clap_hands: :clap_hands: :clap_hands:
The stream im using are showing the 3-3 game from a few years ago. Ahhh the memories. Diop Malbranque McBride et all
Quote from: FFCfan on December 26, 2012, 02:50:20 PM
Any links for the game ....
Hope for another Newcastle performance.
:clap_hands: :clap_hands: :clap_hands:
The links are here:
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=27097.0 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=27097.0)
I dont care what goes wrong, it's Senderos' fault :)
I can foresee this one in many posts after the game!
Don't like the idea of dropping Hughes, yes Lambert is good in the air but the threat down the wings is the real danger and if our full backs are beaten then Hangers and Senders will do their best Bambi on ice impersonations.
Quote from: cebu on December 26, 2012, 02:54:22 PM
Quote from: FFCfan on December 26, 2012, 02:50:20 PM
Any links for the game ....
Hope for another Newcastle performance.
:clap_hands: :clap_hands: :clap_hands:
The links are here:
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=27097.0 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=27097.0)
Thanks
Anyone got a working English stream? I've only got the frombar one working
Their Gk was complaining that Brebatov is not scoring very often ha ha
:clap_hands: :clap_hands: :yay: :yay: :yay:
Haha!
Keep calm and pass me the ball!
How humble ;)
-"Oh when the Whites!"
LOL Keep calm and pass me the ball? :D
Did he get booked?
What a prat but what a hero. Score and he can write whatever he likes
Yeah he's booked
... and Trotta scores again for Brentford. A good Fulham start to this Boxing Day!
-"Oh when the Whites!"
Yup, got booked for it.. Bit early in the game to have him on a yellow for my liking.
Berba... you are a class footballer...but that was far from a class thing to do in front of the home fans... talk about disrespecting the other members of your TEAM...
Reither - sign him up!
Quote from: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 03:05:00 PM
Anyone got a working English stream? I've only got the frombar one working
Try this one:
http://realtvsport.com/channel-6.php (http://realtvsport.com/channel-6.php)
Quote from: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 03:10:16 PM
Haha!
Keep calm and pass me the ball!
How humble ;)
-"Oh when the Whites!"
I will not be feelin the love until we are at least 2 or 3-0 up with Senderos in the side!
Quote from: Admin on December 26, 2012, 03:14:03 PM
I will not be feelin the love until we are at least 2 or 3-0 up with Senderos in the side!
Agreed, especially so when considering the lack of effort, heart, passion and skill in the last two games...
-"Oh when the Whites!"
Great play by Riether/Dejagah they could develop to the best ever right side pair of Fulham.
Kaca is running Clyne ragged
Also we're putting them to sleep by attacking mostly down the left then we bomb down the right :)
Senderos doing exactly what I predicted, silly push, allows him inside far too easy. Hughes is much better in those situations.
Quote from: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 03:21:26 PM
Senderos doing exactly what I predicted, silly push, allows him inside far too easy. Hughes is much better in those situations.
Unfortunately we've got 2 games in 3 day. Hughes will be needed for Swansea as they will attack us much more than Southampton.
Yea completely agree, Senderos is the only reason we're just 1-0 up. What a useless player.... Lets talk about Berbatov deliberately getting booked and going close to being sent off instead?
It's the selection choice not the player. In this game Southampton's main threat is running and cutting in from wide. Senderos and Hangeland are not good together against these kinds of players, against Stoke fine but not Southampton, and teams with pace and good wingers. The real problem is we have no real alternative to Hughes and as fans no idea whether Hughes is rested or dropped.
Sorry, what exactly has Senderos done wrong this time? Talk about unfair criticism. I'm more worried by Baird being non existent in mf yet again
Well he pushed their player over in the box and nearly gave away a needless penalty but other than that...
I know we're winning but we still look really average
Im mosty worried by MS doing "amazing" passes to our defenders and the retarded long balls up front when it's obvious we're about 26734 times better by passing it up the pitch.
That kind of thing is exactly why Senderos shouldn't be starting. Didn't challenge for the header and left us wide open. I don't want him to fail but he isn't good enough. If Hughes could have started he should've.
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on December 26, 2012, 03:39:33 PM
Im mosty worried by MS doing "amazing" passes to our defenders and the retarded long balls up front when it's obvious we're about 26734 times better by passing it up the pitch.
Bypassing the midfield
That was never going to be a penalty in a million years...
Second time Riise acting nonchalantly and looses the ball
who?
QPR is losing to West Brom and I'm watching Newcastle on the telly and they are up on United 1-2 at the moment
oh that one was terrible he didnt even realize they were about to score while he was leaning on the advertising boards...
but didn't you notice it was Senderos' fault?
Well we've been pretty terrible first half. Lucky that Saints have nothing going forward
Lets be clear. We have been very very average. Saints have just been even more average. I haven't seen a great amount to convince me this game is in the bag
if we continue with the bloody long balls it can only get worse....
We are by passing our MF as we don´t have one. Having to play it down both wings. Very nervy performance.
Quote from: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 03:46:43 PM
Well we've been pretty terrible first half. Lucky that Saints have nothing going forward
well when Ruiz comes on things will get better!
at least on the positive side we are 1-0 up.
:clap_hands:
we're not passing down any wing, we're hoofing it forward for no reason
I'd like to see Karagounis on for Baird with possibly Baird or Hughes in at centre back for Senderos. We need someone with a bit more confidence bringing it out at the back and Karagounis has been very useful lately.
what did berbatov's shirt say? my stream is blurry
Baird has been terrible. He stays on he will lose us the game!
Plus: The Wolfs down the right look promising attacking, we're actually winning (hey!), Hangeland and Senderos have both been decent and haven't made any glaring errors between them.
Negatives: They're causing us some problems down the flanks, and while Dejather looks good going forward, Shaw has been bamboozling them when they're on the back foot. I've been told Rodallega is playing, has anyone seen him?
In all seriousness though, not a bad 45 minutes barring a few incidents of concern, but I'm feeling confident we'll pick up the 3 points. Seems like a few people still haven't forgiven Senderos for taking the last parking spot on Stevenage Road, he's been just fine, its the fullbacks who need to be a bit sharper when we lose possession imho.
Noone scored for Cardiff in the 44th minute. Palace supporters blaming it on Senderos.
Quote from: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 03:48:38 PM
Lets be clear. We have been very very average. Saints have just been even more average. I haven't seen a great amount to convince me this game is in the bag
I'll be even clearer :dft012:, we are a VERY poor side, nothing has changed from the last two months other than we scored a goal. We are in big trouble right now and nothing I've seen so far today makes me feel any better about this team
Having written all that, I am VERY happy we are up 1-0. We need the points badly. COYW!
Baird's doing ok, im sure every pass he's made has been backwards. Same old story everywhere else though, Riise and Schwarzer have had a couple of lapses each, Kaka and Dejagah have been bright on the wings though Kaka's final ball isn't always there - and Berba and Riether have been different class, defensively and going forward.
Berbas shirt message =keep calm just pass me the ball.
We need to replace Rodellaga with jaragounis to bolster the midfield as playing an extra man up front just means they get no service
we have been arguing that there is more important places to strengthen than the attacking section of our team, but it should be a priority to strengthen every section of the team. we are not solid anywhere.
Quote from: MurphLegend on December 26, 2012, 03:55:01 PM
what did berbatov's shirt say? my stream is blurry
'Keep Calm and Pass me the Ball!'
Just class.
Ruiz for Kaka
Quote from: Bryanthebroom on December 26, 2012, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: MurphLegend on December 26, 2012, 03:55:01 PM
what did berbatov's shirt say? my stream is blurry
'Keep Calm and Pass me the Ball!'
Just class.
thinks a bit of himself or just confidence?? :015:
Ruiz on for Kaca
WTF, as pleased I am with seeing Ruiz again I can't see the logic behind subbing Kaca...
-"Oh when the Whites!"
Quote from: horse1031 on December 26, 2012, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: Bryanthebroom on December 26, 2012, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: MurphLegend on December 26, 2012, 03:55:01 PM
what did berbatov's shirt say? my stream is blurry
'Keep Calm and Pass me the Ball!'
Just class.
thinks a bit of himself or just confidence?? :015:
I think the other players knew about this shirt and noone took offence. They seemed happy enough celebrating next to the writings :D
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 03:57:39 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 03:48:38 PM
Lets be clear. We have been very very average. Saints have just been even more average. I haven't seen a great amount to convince me this game is in the bag
I'll be even clearer :dft012:, we are a VERY poor side, nothing has changed from the last two months other than we scored a goal. We are in big trouble right now and nothing I've seen so far today makes me feel any better about this team
Having written all that, I am VERY happy we are up 1-0. We need the points badly. COYW!
Agreed. If there was a stat for giving the ball away we would be way ahead. The back four are making me nervous and its not all about Senderos and as CC has said is Rodders out there? No aerial threat and chases down a bit before breaking into a skip and wandering off. I read somebody mentioning Berbatov and the yellow card. What a plonker! It could have been worse and then what would we have done. A mini experiment in life without Berbatov I suppose.
Quote from: MurphLegend on December 26, 2012, 03:55:01 PM
what did berbatov's shirt say? my stream is blurry
"It's all Senderos's fault"
A player can make mistakes without being at fault for everything. Riise is still underperforming, I'd like to see Briggs get a run at some stage.
Quote from: deeffc on December 26, 2012, 04:11:19 PM
A player can make mistakes without being at fault for everything. Riise is still underperforming, I'd like to see Briggs get a run at some stage.
'twas sarcasm if referring to my reply!
I hate not being able to watch the game, how's Ruiz doing.?
Ok, he's had a couple of decent bits of play and overcomplicated things at times a bit too. You can tell he's been out a while really, good invention but not quite getting the final product.
Quote from: Azeedo on December 26, 2012, 04:17:59 PM
I hate not being able to watch the game, how's Ruiz doing.?
looks decent, bit rusty but good to have him on the pitch, our possession in the mid field improves with him on the pitch
Completely sick of Gale slating Senderos when he's doing nothing wrong. Yet.
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 04:21:03 PM
Completely sick of Gale slating Senderos when he's doing nothing wrong. Yet.
He's given constructive criticism. As a former defender Gale is well within his right to state that Senderos is getting the wrong side of an attacker
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 04:21:03 PM
Completely sick of Gale slating Senderos when he's doing nothing wrong. Yet.
agreed not sure why he stated he "wrong sided him" when he put himself between the player and the goal....maybe I don't understand the game, I thought Senderos played him correctly
Thanks for the info :-)
Chris Baird is awful... seriously awful
nice bit of play, too bad Dega missed that
There's been a couple of times as I pointed out you can see Senderos, not quite getting it right. In a game like this fortunately we can get away with it, but he does make bad decisions. Another centre back has to come in soon, especially if Hangeland can't find his old form.
Very strange in my book, both Deja and Kaca, who both did very well, subbed this early. I love to have Ruiz back an really like Frei, but very strange all the same...
-"Oh when the Whites!"
Quote from: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
Very strange in my book, both Deja and Kaca, who both did very well, subbed this early. I love to have Ruiz back an really like Frei, but very strange all the same...
-"Oh when the Whites!"
Strange indeed, perhaps he is just trying to place fresh legs in to keep the pace high? Keep them match fit since he doesn't seem to play the same XI week in and week out.
Hangeland and Senderos no chat, those errors will cost goals against good sides.
Quote from: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
Very strange in my book, both Deja and Kaca, who both did very well, subbed this early. I love to have Ruiz back an really like Frei, but very strange all the same...
-"Oh when the Whites!"
Dejagah hasn't impressed me today. Deserved to come off.
Quote from: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:22:15 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 04:21:03 PM
Completely sick of Gale slating Senderos when he's doing nothing wrong. Yet.
He's given constructive criticism. As a former defender Gale is well within his right to state that Senderos is getting the wrong side of an attacker
I'd like to see someone play the offside trap from a goalside position...
He's not criticising anyone else though, is he? And nor is he giving any praise when Senderos does something well.
We're doing everything possible to throw it away... disappointing
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 04:30:53 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:22:15 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 04:21:03 PM
Completely sick of Gale slating Senderos when he's doing nothing wrong. Yet.
He's given constructive criticism. As a former defender Gale is well within his right to state that Senderos is getting the wrong side of an attacker
I'd like to see someone play the offside trap from a goalside position...
He's not criticising anyone else though, is he? And nor is he giving any praise when Senderos does something well.
He doesn't do a lot well ;)
Dejagah finds space well but he isn't always great at taking advantage of it.
Riise needs to be dropped
Appalling by Riise but Baird is taking too long to start the passes in midfield and it's cutting down our time.
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 04:30:53 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:22:15 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 04:21:03 PM
Completely sick of Gale slating Senderos when he's doing nothing wrong. Yet.
He's given constructive criticism. As a former defender Gale is well within his right to state that Senderos is getting the wrong side of an attacker
I'd like to see someone play the offside trap from a goalside position...
He's not criticising anyone else though, is he? And nor is he giving any praise when Senderos does something well.
Exactly. Mild criticism of Berba but thats it. Seems personal in my opinion.
Quote from: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:29:51 PM
Quote from: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
Very strange in my book, both Deja and Kaca, who both did very well, subbed this early. I love to have Ruiz back an really like Frei, but very strange all the same...
-"Oh when the Whites!"
Dejagah hasn't impressed me today. Deserved to come off.
Oh, I think him and Reither has had a good game down their flank. He still has a lot to learn about premiership football but I think he's showing a lot of potential.
-"Oh when the Whites!"
Looks like we have surrendered their half so again the opposition has plenty of time to build up, get all the support in position and look to probe for options. Even when a Saints player crosses the line we are stepping backwards. Sheesh. Nice high ball to Rodders ........... who won't be jumping for those any time soon. Double sheesh!
Quote from: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:31:53 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 04:30:53 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:22:15 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 04:21:03 PM
Completely sick of Gale slating Senderos when he's doing nothing wrong. Yet.
He's given constructive criticism. As a former defender Gale is well within his right to state that Senderos is getting the wrong side of an attacker
I'd like to see someone play the offside trap from a goalside position...
He's not criticising anyone else though, is he? And nor is he giving any praise when Senderos does something well.
He doesn't do a lot well ;)
Typical of so many on here.
I've been critical of him in the past, but I've also given him credit when it's due.
Maybe he'll make a huge gaffe, but getting on his back for keeping the high line WITH his three defensive colleagues is ridiculous.
Underwhelming in the extreme. If they score we will lose this.
that volley was dangerous we almost dropped two points there...COYW! Pull your collective heads out and start playing like a team!
Quote from: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:29:51 PM
Quote from: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
Very strange in my book, both Deja and Kaca, who both did very well, subbed this early. I love to have Ruiz back an really like Frei, but very strange all the same...
-"Oh when the Whites!"
Dejagah hasn't impressed me today. Deserved to come off.
Oh, I think him and Reither has had a good game down their flank. He still has a lot to learn about premiership football but I think he's showing a lot of potential.
-"Oh when the Whites!"
Reither makes him look good I think. How old is Dejagah out of interest?
Senderos did well there.
Baird and Riise are incredibad these last few weeks.
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 04:35:18 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:31:53 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 04:30:53 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:22:15 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 04:21:03 PM
Completely sick of Gale slating Senderos when he's doing nothing wrong. Yet.
He's given constructive criticism. As a former defender Gale is well within his right to state that Senderos is getting the wrong side of an attacker
I'd like to see someone play the offside trap from a goalside position...
He's not criticising anyone else though, is he? And nor is he giving any praise when Senderos does something well.
He doesn't do a lot well ;)
Typical of so many on here.
I've been critical of him in the past, but I've also given him credit when it's due.
Maybe he'll make a huge gaffe, but getting on his back for keeping the high line WITH his three defensive colleagues is ridiculous.
I was winding you up :)
I tend to shy away from opinions about defenders and let the experts call it. I think it is clear Gale is not a fan. I can't recall any performances from Senderos since he joined that suggest he is deserving of a place in our team. Thats my opinion but I acknowledge other people hold him in High regard.
Jol must have a jigsaw puzzle for Xmas because he hasn't a clue what to do with the players he has. He keeps moving players all over the place during the game.
thrown it
Quote from: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:29:51 PM
Quote from: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
Very strange in my book, both Deja and Kaca, who both did very well, subbed this early. I love to have Ruiz back an really like Frei, but very strange all the same...
-"Oh when the Whites!"
Dejagah hasn't impressed me today. Deserved to come off.
Oh, I think him and Reither has had a good game down their flank. He still has a lot to learn about premiership football but I think he's showing a lot of potential.
-"Oh when the Whites!"
Agreed Nick. I though he was doing fine but I admit I miss some of the subtle things in the match. A player like Dega will make something happen out of nohting and get you something special here and there, he needs to be played regularly to hone his match IQ given how young he is and how he can open up space
Gentleman Jim's been all over Senderos, too.
Can we now appreciate just how poor a side FFC have become?
GJ: I don't know what Senderos is doing playing alongside Hangeland with Hughes sitting on the bench.
Baird! That was completely unnecessary. Two points down the drain.
Mistake by Senderos, mistake by Baird mistake by Jol. We are in all sorts of trouble. MAKES YOU WONDER IF WE CAN HANG ON FOR A POINT
senderos. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
i honestly think if Senderos got sent off before the penalty we would have won 096.gig ... COYW
Thankyou very much Mr Senderos
Quote from: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:29:51 PMReither makes him look good I think. How old is Dejagah out of interest?
Think he's born in 1986.
Oh, Bairdinio... Going from Hero to Zero in a few games... C'mon lad, pick yourself up and deliver!
-"Oh when the Whites!"
The defence worked hard to set up the equaliser. Credit to all of them.
Now be gone the lot of you by February !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I meant to say I thought the last sub was a mistake, seemed like a bit of a white flag and clinging on for the 1 0. I mean it's a set piece and stupid/unlucky but we were just trying to hold on. Disappointing. We won't be relegated but we aren't going anywhere either.
This is getting thoroughly awful I watch. We don't play nice football. It has been all Southampton and to be honest I am depressed
Senderos has been poor, but how on earth is Tony Gale excluding Baird from any blame?
What a good save.
something is very wrong with our team.... :dead horse:
it's a leadership problem
My god we are awful. Baird has been abysmal for at least 3 games. We've yet again created nothing and defended terribly
gutting.
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 04:47:05 PM
something is very wrong with our team.... :dead horse:
it's a leadership problem
I know some blame Jol, but I for one am not ready to go there yet. With all the injuries and the lack of time to replace the Dems I'll keep my criticism low until after the window...
-"Oh when the Whites!"
Can Riise do a thing but foul?
Sack Jol already.
Garbage.
Lets be honest, who is creating anything?
Once Rodders goes off we have no get out from long balls. Ruiz hasn't been in the game and Berbatov has gone missing because we have no ball forward. Three subs and changing the team around so often made us look blunt going forward. Plus we can't pass.
so sick of this goddam bad football every week
1 win in 11 games now. Another terrible performance, against a very poor Southampton side.
I still dont understand the tactics, both offensively and defensively. Baird and Riise yet again terrible. Where is this run going to end. I still think we'll be battling relegation.
Another triumph for our Dutch lemon.
Truly shameful performance. Still should have won though if not for Baird's moment of idiocy.
Quote from: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 04:53:21 PM
1 win in 11 games now. Another terrible performance, against a very poor Southampton side.
I still dont understand the tactics, both offensively and defensively. Baird and Riise yet again terrible. Where is this run going to end. I still think we'll be battling relegation.
I wouldn't describe Southampton as very poor. Defensively maybe but they're decent going forward.
Does anyone here still believe this lot can compete with Swansea? Poor, poor, poor, poor, poor, p*ss poor.
Embarrassing. fp.gif
Senderos a shambles. No creativity in midfield. Berbatov the only player capable of holding the ball. Championship looming!
Although he had a poor day, Senderos can't really be blamed for the build up to the penalty. Gale is a clueless idiot.
performance today yet again. I really can't wait for January.
I have to tell you... kaca should have never come off for Ruiz. Ruiz pranced around for 45 minutes. his touch was off and shouldnt have come on until 75 or 80. Baird really struggled today. I thought Dejegah looked pretty good today and Reiter was good as normal. Sidwell ran his butt off today and we should have had 3 points. Stupid stupid hand ball by baird.
We always look so light going forward, i dont think we can play someone off Berba or Berba just behind, we lack someone like a AJ who will run the channels with pace to create space, Dave does it but he is nowhere near good enough, Sendaros is unbelievable not even championship standard, we have major issues and I just hope enough can be done in Jan to sort out, after watching that Saints wont go down, so it opens another spot there.
Attack good. Defence shocking. Jol is spot on with looking for a new CB and GK. Hope to god they still want to come as we desperately need them. Hangeland is not playing well, Riise is playing poorly recently and Senderos was distinctly average with him, Riise and Sidwell defending stupidly which conceded the corner before they scored.
Thought Sidders, Ruiz, Berba and Rodallega looked good though.
strange substitution(s) as well...
I'm sure everyone is happy to see Bryan Ruiz back on the pitch, but Kaca was definitely playing well in the first half... taking him off for Ruiz is very odd...
or the Karagounis one...
Berbatov was not that wonderful. A missed header and giving the ball away. So not one player or the manager seems to know how to keep the ball or pass the ball or where they are supposed to be playing.
We should have won. That penalty was a shocking decision. Why does Phil Dowd always referee against us?
not working as a team, we are not a team atm just a group of inderviduals playing in white shirts, we look like we dont know eachother like we strangers
Great idea to start Senderos.
He's been terrible for a while.
Quote from: The Moose on December 26, 2012, 04:53:42 PM
Truly shameful performance. Still should have won though if not for Baird's moment of idiocy.
No, not Baird's moment, but Senderos'.
I admit, I personally do not understand why he is responsible for Baird throwing his arm at the ball, but I am on message for him being at fault. Doubtless someone else will explain it shortly.
The good news is, Alistair Mac can now clearly see we need to reinforce the team a tad, assuming he was not already aware, so next month will be interesting, to put it mildly.
Quote from: horse1031 on December 26, 2012, 04:58:03 PM
I have to tell you... kaca should have never come off for Ruiz. Ruiz pranced around for 45 minutes. his touch was off and shouldnt have come on until 75 or 80. Baird really struggled today. I thought Dejegah looked pretty good today and Reiter was good as normal. Sidwell ran his butt off today and we should have had 3 points. Stupid stupid hand ball by baird.
We looked by far a better team after Ruiz came on. But he wasn't fit for 45 minutes.
Quote from: Fulham_Surrey on December 26, 2012, 04:58:55 PM
We should have won. That penalty was a shocking decision. Why does Phil Dowd always referee against us?
Was a clear handball wasn't it?
So Senderos is getting the blame for this one too?
Didn't Baird give away the pen? Didn't he also head straight to Southampton who then won the pen from the corner?
Didn't Senderos head the ball across to Riise, who headed it to Baird who did the above?
Quote from: Mr_Moon on December 26, 2012, 04:57:51 PM
Although he had a poor day, Senderos can't really be blamed for the build up to the penalty. Gale is a clueless idiot.
sh1t performance today yet again. I really can't wait for January.
i disagree. senderos was clueless again and Gale is absolutely correct
Quote from: The Moose on December 26, 2012, 04:53:42 PM
Truly shameful performance. Still should have won though if not for Baird's moment of idiocy.
The 45 seconds before the corner and then the feeble challenge for the header are worthy of lower league sunday morning in the park stuff.Between them six highly paid premier league footballers could not clear a ball in a pantomime scene that started at least 30/35 yards away from goal. Truly shameful performance indeed but where does the autopsy start? The bench, the dug out, the back four, the back four ............ its endless.
Audible boo's at the end.
Snibbo, it was a handball, but he got pushed in the back. That was a foul for Fulham to start.
Quote from: Fulham_Surrey on December 26, 2012, 04:58:55 PM
We should have won. That penalty was a shocking decision. Why does Phil Dowd always referee against us?
The penalty was a textbook decision. You do not fling your arm at the ball, ever, unless you are the goalie.
Quote from: The Moose on December 26, 2012, 04:54:29 PM
I wouldn't describe Southampton as very poor. Defensively maybe but they're decent going forward.
What did Southampton create? Ramirez looks a semi decent player when he's not throwing himself to the floor. Other than that they were poor. We've only got 2 points against them from the 2 fixtures this season.
If anyone doesnt think we'll be dragged into the relegation scrap, I'll be amazed. The myth over Ruiz coming back and turning round our fortunes is just nonsense. Theres weaknesses all over the pitch, which we just cant solve in January.
Our mf just doesnt exist. Chris Baird is not a premier league player.
In defence, with the exception of Reither, the rest of them Hughes, Hangeland, Senderos and Riise are making loads and loads of mistakes. And no it isnt just Senderos.
None of the wingers have a final ball, and they all lose it far too easily.
Up front Berbatov is dropping too deep constantly, Rodellega works hard, but doesnt look threatening. Petric doesnt work hard, and cant play with Berbatov
Schwarzer gives the ball away CONSTANTLY
As bad as we were I still think the bottom 3 will go down. We are 6 pts above Wigan + a much better goal diff. We´ve been in worse positions than this. Keep the faith.
Quote from: TKFJ_FFC on December 26, 2012, 04:59:38 PM
Great idea to start Senderos.
He's been terrible for a while.
I'll accept your comment but how does that have anything to do with our winning or losing the match? He neither caused not lead to the the goal that tied the match.
Whether Senderos plays or not, we lose on the road and can't win at home anymore. The team is poor...why go after a player who had nothing to do with the outcome?
Didn't see this game,but reading the opinions of those who did,it's difficult tow see where the points will come from in the second half of this season.....I was horrified to see the way LIverpool were just walking through us, and how qpr raised their game enough to take the points.....a downward trend is now evident, and morale is diving throughout the squad so that returning 100pc fit players may make little difference.
...time to begin asking questions about what is coming from the management....he proved himself as capable earlier on but in a results driven environment, reputation doesn't last long...?
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 26, 2012, 05:00:12 PM
So Senderos is getting the blame for this one too?
Didn't Baird give away the pen? Didn't he also head straight to Southampton who then won the pen from the corner?
Didn't Senderos head the ball across to Riise, who headed it to Baird who did the above?
Posters are looking for someone to blame, since the manager is not the problem apparently, it must be a defender who had did nothing that lead to their goal in the game. :dead horse: I guess it has nothing to do with the lack of heart, energy, desire or will of the same players who have been mailing it in for some time now, but no....... that's Senderos' fault, whether he be on the pitch or on the bench.....
Quote from: Rupert on December 26, 2012, 05:01:46 PM
Quote from: Fulham_Surrey on December 26, 2012, 04:58:55 PM
We should have won. That penalty was a shocking decision. Why does Phil Dowd always referee against us?
The penalty was a textbook decision. You do not fling your arm at the ball, ever, unless you are the goalie.
.....or that fellow Terry down at the dog track...who only gets hand balled if he picks it up and actually starts running with it....?
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on December 26, 2012, 04:29:51 PM
Quote from: Nick the Swede on December 26, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
Very strange in my book, both Deja and Kaca, who both did very well, subbed this early. I love to have Ruiz back an really like Frei, but very strange all the same...
-"Oh when the Whites!"
Dejagah hasn't impressed me today. Deserved to come off.
Oh, I think him and Reither has had a good game down their flank. He still has a lot to learn about premiership football but I think he's showing a lot of potential.
-"Oh when the Whites!"
Agreed Nick. I though he was doing fine but I admit I miss some of the subtle things in the match. A player like Dega will make something happen out of nohting and get you something special here and there, he needs to be played regularly to hone his match IQ given how young he is and how he can open up space
Comparatively young - he's 27 years old isn't he? Duff has the cutting edge and experience between the two, and never deserved to lose his place. Deja's good cover, and someone to bring on.....
I cant believe everyone is claining they are chuffed with us going forward. We are slow, dull and laxk any spark going forward. As for defensively we need to get rid of the lot of them or prepare for the championship for the next few years. Without any doubt we should be beating teams like southampton at home. Awful,shambolic performances again!!
Quote from: Rupert on December 26, 2012, 05:01:46 PM
Quote from: Fulham_Surrey on December 26, 2012, 04:58:55 PM
We should have won. That penalty was a shocking decision. Why does Phil Dowd always referee against us?
The penalty was a textbook decision. You do not fling your arm at the ball, ever, unless you are the goalie.
it was a stone cold penalty. he threw his hand at the ball. three points lost because of it.
Baird did nothing today but give away a handball. Senderos made mistakes but also put his head and foot in when needed.
Duff is injured
Quote from: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 05:02:20 PM
Quote from: The Moose on December 26, 2012, 04:54:29 PM
I wouldn't describe Southampton as very poor. Defensively maybe but they're decent going forward.
What did Southampton create? Ramirez looks a semi decent player when he's not throwing himself to the floor. Other than that they were poor. We've only got 2 points against them from the 2 fixtures this season.
If anyone doesnt think we'll be dragged into the relegation scrap, I'll be amazed. The myth over Ruiz coming back and turning round our fortunes is just nonsense. Theres weaknesses all over the pitch, which we just cant solve in January.
Our mf just doesnt exist. Chris Baird is not a premier league player.
In defence, with the exception of Reither, the rest of them Hughes, Hangeland, Senderos and Riise are making loads and loads of mistakes. And no it isnt just Senderos.
None of the wingers have a final ball, and they all lose it far too easily.
Up front Berbatov is dropping too deep constantly, Rodellega works hard, but doesnt look threatening. Petric doesnt work hard, and cant play with Berbatov
Schwarzer gives the ball away CONSTANTLY
They play attractive attacking football, very neat and easy on the eye. Granted they lack a killer instinct but I consider that a mark of a decent side.
Ruiz will help us offensively, he can create chances but he's never going to shore up the defence. He's an offensive player.
I don't think January is going to help just as much as people think.. What makes us think we can buy ourselves out of trouble?
Currently, apart from Reading, we're the worst team in the league and by a margin at that. We can't pass, we can't defend, we can't attack.. We're in a dogfight now. What is even more depressing is that given we are going to lose the next two are we going to have any fight left in us whatsoever to try and take on Blackpool in the cup or beat Wigan?
Out of the cup while 17th and sinking on the evening of January 12th is bound to have the sort of players we want to sign in the transfer window queuing up..
I'm quite glad I took us at 20/1 for relegation a couple of weeks back as you can now get us at 9/1.
Senderos was decent today. Okay he couldn't head the ball clear first time but then gave a solid pass to Riise who just blew up and 5 seconds later conceded the corner.
Riise was terrible the whole 2nd half. Baird at times with good interceptions at other times handing Chrismtas presents.
Schwarzer should be dropped. I hope he's injured his hand bad enough to miss a game. He can't kick a goddamn ball to a Fulham player and created at least 5 dangers with his disastrous passes.
Berbatov played his worst game so far or at least his worst half.
Agree that Kaca should've stayed on at least till the 60th minute but the problem wasn't that Ruiz is not fit enough... more like he was wasted on the right flank...
Quote from: horse1031 on December 26, 2012, 05:10:15 PM
Quote from: Rupert on December 26, 2012, 05:01:46 PM
Quote from: Fulham_Surrey on December 26, 2012, 04:58:55 PM
We should have won. That penalty was a shocking decision. Why does Phil Dowd always referee against us?
The penalty was a textbook decision. You do not fling your arm at the ball, ever, unless you are the goalie.
it was a stone cold penalty. he threw his hand at the ball. three points lost because of it.
Only 2 points as we drew 1-1
What the hell did Schwarzer do wrong?!
Actually.. You know what? It's Jol.
WHY was Kaca taken off for Ruiz?
WHY was Ruiz stuck out on the right?
WHY was Senderos or Baird on the pitch at all today?
WHY has Schwarzer not been dropped?
WHY do his substitutions and more often than not selections period make no sense?
WHY are we instructed even in scenarios where better options exist to pass it straight back to the keeper for him to give it away or bash it straight to the opposing keeper?
I see no attempt whatsoever to try and remedy the problems we have all been talking about for the past 4 or 5 weeks. Before anyone says it, I don't know what the answer is either, but I'm not a Premiership manager. All I see from us week in, week out, is the same bullpoo lack of anything going forwards and no attempt to shake things up.
The team is crap as well mind you.
Quote from: SaltfordWhite on December 26, 2012, 05:16:41 PM
What the hell did Schwarzer do wrong?!
Made some decent saves, but his woeful distribution constantly puts us under pressure. Mind you, that applies to several others too.
Quote from: Aaron on December 26, 2012, 05:12:49 PM
I don't think January is going to help just as much as people think.. What makes us think we can buy ourselves out of trouble?
Currently, apart from Reading, we're the worst team in the league and by a margin at that. We can't pass, we can't defend, we can't attack.. We're in a dogfight now. What is even more depressing is that given we are going to lose the next two are we going to have any fight left in us whatsoever to try and take on Blackpool in the cup or beat Wigan?
Out of the cup while 17th and sinking on the evening of January 12th is bound to have the sort of players we want to sign in the transfer window queuing up..
I'm quite glad I took us at 20/1 for relegation a couple of weeks back as you can now get us at 9/1.
Good god. You think we are the 2nd worst team by a margin? Ridiculous. We're on a bad run of form. Yes it's been long (11 games) but we are still in 13th and over halfway to 40 points. January will definitely help and bring in some confidence, fresh blood and competition for places. Just please try and keep a bit of faith in the team and Jol.
I seem to remember the same first half of last season and then pow went mad for the second half! We also have the transfer window to hopefully add a few, particularly in defence and midfield.
I remain confident and will hopefully be repaid for that Blythe end of the season. We may look back on these posts and laugh and wonder why all the fuss and doubt? - I hope
Quote from: TWFL on December 26, 2012, 05:26:39 PMGood god. You think we are the 2nd worst team by a margin? Ridiculous. We're on a bad run of form. Yes it's been long (11 games) but we are still in 13th and over halfway to 40 points. January will definitely help and bring in some confidence, fresh blood and competition for places. Just please try and keep a bit of faith in the team and Jol.
Currently, apart from Reading, we're the worst team in the league and by a margin at that.
Well, 11 games in the context of a 38 game league season is a fair chunk, wouldn't you say? I don't think anyone could be accused of panicking prematurely, none of these games we are losing and drawing are kickabouts that don't count!
Quote from: ron on December 26, 2012, 05:34:20 PM
Well, 11 games in the context of a 38 game league season is a fair chunk, wouldn't you say? I don't think anyone could be accused of panicking prematurely, none of these games we are losing and drawing are kickabouts that don't count!
Couldnt agree more. 1 win in 11 is terrible.
Our next 6 games
Swansea (H)
WBA (A)
Wigan (H)
Man City (A)
W Ham (H)
Man U (A)
We'll lose the away games. On paper the home games look winable, but Swansea are a far better side than us. West Ham always beat us, so its just the Wigan game then....
Quote from: Aaron on December 26, 2012, 05:20:07 PM
Actually.. You know what? It's Jol.
WHY was Kaca taken off for Ruiz?
WHY was Ruiz stuck out on the right?
WHY was Senderos or Baird on the pitch at all today?
WHY has Schwarzer not been dropped?
WHY do his substitutions and more often than not selections period make no sense?
WHY are we instructed even in scenarios where better options exist to pass it straight back to the keeper for him to give it away or bash it straight to the opposing keeper?
I see no attempt whatsoever to try and remedy the problems we have all been talking about for the past 4 or 5 weeks. Before anyone says it, I don't know what the answer is either, but I'm not a Premiership manager. All I see from us week in, week out, is the same bullpoo lack of anything going forwards and no attempt to shake things up.
The team is crap as well mind you.
I do not have the answers (I thought Senderos was ok today) but these questions frustrate the wotsit out of me as they are beginning to indicate Jol does not have the answers either
Quote from: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: ron on December 26, 2012, 05:34:20 PM
Well, 11 games in the context of a 38 game league season is a fair chunk, wouldn't you say? I don't think anyone could be accused of panicking prematurely, none of these games we are losing and drawing are kickabouts that don't count!
Couldnt agree more. 1 win in 11 is terrible.
Our next 6 games
Swansea (H)
WBA (A)
Wigan (H)
Man City (A)
W Ham (H)
Man U (A)
We'll lose the away games. On paper the home games look winable, but Swansea are a far better side than us. West Ham always beat us, so its just the Wigan game then....
Would like to see our goal difference after the Manchester matches. By the way, United should be a home match as we lost @ Old Trafford.
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 26, 2012, 05:52:41 PM
Quote from: Ordar on December 26, 2012, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: ron on December 26, 2012, 05:34:20 PM
Well, 11 games in the context of a 38 game league season is a fair chunk, wouldn't you say? I don't think anyone could be accused of panicking prematurely, none of these games we are losing and drawing are kickabouts that don't count!
Couldnt agree more. 1 win in 11 is terrible.
Our next 6 games
Swansea (H)
WBA (A)
Wigan (H)
Man City (A)
W Ham (H)
Man U (A)
We'll lose the away games. On paper the home games look winable, but Swansea are a far better side than us. West Ham always beat us, so its just the Wigan game then....
Would like to see our goal difference after the Manchester away matches.
I think the Man U game is at home? Is it not? It'd need to be as I have tickets! :)
Senderos is not a good defender. He was inches from being culpable several times in the second half as he got beaten goalside. His poor header starter started the clown show that led to their goal, but many others will involved in that idiocy, too.
Schwarzer's distribution has become an enormous issue, since we don't have any players who can seem to hold the ball under pressure.
We got what we deserved today. We were played to a complete standstill by a crappy promoted side at home. We had two shots on target against one of the worst defenses in the league. A few other shots whistled just wide, but come on. That's awful.
I know Jol's somewhat limited with the guys he has right now, but this Rodellega thing at outside mid has to stop. Also, Ruiz shouldn't be playing right mid in a match where he's coming off a hammy and we can't keep hold of the freaking ball in the middle of the field.
It's all very frustrating at the moment, but we're on 21 points and two teams have 10. We should be able to hold Reading and QPR below us, and if we can't finish ahead of ONE of Wigan, Southampton, Norwich, Villa, Sunderland or West Ham, then we get what we deserve.
On Senderos, he has potential which is why he was at Arsenal, Milan and now us. If you're scouting a centre back he has all the things you look for, big, strong, decent pace. However he has either never learned to defend or never been able to put the theory into action on the pitch. I'm pretty sure it's the latter. I'm sure if you froze the game on tv and asked him where or what he should be doing, he'd give the right answer but in games he is not anywhere near consistent enough at making these decisions. In this game, among a few other examples that were not fatal in terms of scoreline he made errors like not challenging for the ball against Lambert when he dropped deep, allowing himself and Hangeland to be split too easily and others. A number of people have said he was ok, and he didn't perhaps affect the scoreline today but he was poor and gave Southampton a number of chances they weren't capable of taking advantage of. He isn't the sole player at fault and probably not our worst on the day but until he is capable of translating theory into practice he shouldn't be near the first team.
Quote from: Denver Fulham on December 26, 2012, 05:59:44 PM
We got what we deserved today. We were played to a complete standstill by a crappy promoted side at home. We had two shots on target against one of the worst defenses in the league. A few other shots whistled just wide, but come on. That's awful.
It's all very frustrating at the moment, but we're on 21 points and two teams have 10. We should be able to hold Reading and QPR below us, and if we can't finish ahead of ONE of Wigan, Southampton, Norwich, Villa, Sunderland or West Ham, then we get what we deserve.
Very true.....but I am also left with the questions "WHAT happened to our ambition?"...... What happened to the attitude of guys like Reither who was talking of a top 6 finish after our first few matches? What happened to our determination? Our team spirit?
Did it all drain away with two successive injuries to a single player?....Ruiz
I'm not satisfied with finishing 17th. I want more. We deserve more and we have the players for more. The fact that we are all thinking about just surviving now is an indictment of the club, as a whole, and the moves it has made over the summer and on the pitch this season. Some of the players don't care as much and that worries me the most.
We need to sort it out!!!!!
Main problem as I see it...
We have no play maker in CM (Ruiz?) and rely on getting the ball out wide quickly.
But we have a number of wide players who all (duff apart?) do not keep the ball for more than a couple of touches, get past the opposition into dangerous areas enough, do not cross into the box enough and give the ball away too often too cheaply.
When you have 2 CM who sit in front of the back 4 and we keep giving the ball away it puts you on the back foot again and again and isolates the forwards however good they are and puts even more pressure on.
The players picked in the team by the manager cannot play the way he wants it to
One addendum: It was *plainly* obvious after Dembele and Dempsey left in late August that a lot of our fortunes in the first half of the season would be pinned on Bryan Ruiz. Berba can handle that role, but then he's just spraying the ball around to guys who aren't very good or aren't very experienced.
Ruiz is not a defensive player, but when he's fully healthy, his ability to hold possession and create helps our defense. We simply could not keep possession in the second half today. It was appalling.
We're going to need to buy a midfielder (or two) in January. It would also help if Duff got healthy again and we could have Diarra for a few games before he traipses off again to Africa for the Cup of Nations. Also, Briggs needs to get a runout soon. Riise's just adding nothing to the equation right now.
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 26, 2012, 06:15:30 PM
I'm not satisfied with finishing 17th. I want more. We deserve more and we have the players for more. The fact that we are all thinking about just surviving now is an indictment of the club, as a whole, and the moves it has made over the summer and on the pitch this season. Some of the players don't care as much and that worries me the most.
Be satisfied with that. The last time that happened, we qualified for Europe the next season. This was always going to be a transitional year after we lost Dembele. He was so crucial to this season. We made a good short-term buy with Berba and we grabbed some points early before injuries and the flaws in this depleted roster have been exposed. We'll steady ourselves in January, get enough points and stay up, which is the only goal now for this season. Then we can continue the overhaul over the summer.
Quote from: Aaron on December 26, 2012, 05:20:07 PM
Actually.. You know what? It's Jol.
WHY was Kaca taken off for Ruiz?
WHY was Ruiz stuck out on the right?
WHY was Senderos or Baird on the pitch at all today?
WHY has Schwarzer not been dropped?
WHY do his substitutions and more often than not selections period make no sense?
WHY are we instructed even in scenarios where better options exist to pass it straight back to the keeper for him to give it away or bash it straight to the opposing keeper?
I see no attempt whatsoever to try and remedy the problems we have all been talking about for the past 4 or 5 weeks. Before anyone says it, I don't know what the answer is either, but I'm not a Premiership manager. All I see from us week in, week out, is the same bullpoo lack of anything going forwards and no attempt to shake things up.
The team is crap as well mind you.
Couldn't agree more. You can only blame the players for so much, Jol's tactics, team selections and sub decisions have cost us dearly this season.
