STOCKDALE, Riether, Hughes, Hangeland, BRIGGS, Dejagah, Karagounis, Sidwell, FREI, Ruiz, Berbatov.
Apart from Briggs I like this line up a lot. Hats off to Jol for dropping Schwarzer.
He must not have dropped him, he's not on the bench. Injured?
We never have the same team 2 times in a row. Its a different looking team ill give him that
Hopefully will give the former regulars a kick up the arse. Stockdales been due a start for a long time.
thats part of the problem with Jol. Our team is so unsettled in some cases. Frei for me is not a 90min player yet and should be coming on around 60-65 min to take on tired defences.
Its a potentially really exciting team, but also a potentially implode-able team. Should be a good game anyway!
Both int he starting line up! yee-haw!
I like the idea of Karagounis and Sidders.
I am absolutely delighted with the start-up. We needed changes. I would have kept JAR though...
Quote from: cottage cheese on December 29, 2012, 02:14:54 PM
thats part of the problem with Jol. Our team is so unsettled in some cases. Frei for me is not a 90min player yet and should be coming on around 60-65 min to take on tired defences.
I think it's right to rotate so long as the core of the team is there. Kacaniklic had a poor game so Frei keeps him on his toes, Hughes had struggled so Senderos came in, who in turn was poor so he drops out. Riise has been long due a demotion but I think Jol like me lacked faith in Briggs. Now I guess he's thought Riise's head isn't straight, so may as well play Briggs.
Please tell me Kasami is on the bench...
Quote from: Mino the Waiter on December 29, 2012, 02:21:00 PM
Please tell me Kasami is on the bench...
Etheridge, Kelly, Riise, Senderos, Baird, Richardson and Rodallega
Quote from: Northern Cottager on December 29, 2012, 02:27:31 PM
Quote from: Mino the Waiter on December 29, 2012, 02:21:00 PM
Please tell me Kasami is on the bench...
Etheridge, Kelly, Riise, Senderos, Baird, Richardson and Rodallega
So if the midfield fails we can bring on, er, Richardson. If I was Kasami I would be wanting out in Jan. He was starting in Serie A before he came to us.
Quote from: Northern Cottager on December 29, 2012, 02:27:31 PM
Quote from: Mino the Waiter on December 29, 2012, 02:21:00 PM
Please tell me Kasami is on the bench...
Etheridge, Kelly, Riise, Senderos, Baird, Richardson and Rodallega
VERY defensive bench. Rodallega and maybe Richardson the only attack minded players. Seems we are playing youngsters today to match up with Swansea's young and pacey side
Very happy with this line-up, seems that Jol has finally seen some sense and dropped positions where it was needed
Kasami should have been on the bench. There is no need to have both Senderos & Baird.
Lets see how the starting 11 do eh! I cant see it being any worse than the previous few games. W've been woeful and hopefully Jol is assessing all options before the window to see which positions we are in dire need of.
Baird is a different player when Ruiz is around, sometimes is the players you play with
what a disgusting looking bench..
Very pleased to see changes, just hope they come up trumps!! Not too happy about kasami being nowhere near the team.....!
Too many defenders on the bench. Kasami should be there for Kelly. Baird can play right back.
I dont get the Kasami-messiah mentality.
If he were good enough, he would be playing
Kasami hasnt set the world alight. Lets just see how we get on first. If we win we'll all of forgot about who was on the bench won't we!
COYW!
Surprised but relieved that the changes that most of us have been talking about have been made. Sadly it looks like Schwarzer is just an injury. I still think we'll lose today but at least we might keep the ball better without Schwarzer and Baird in the side.
Kacaniklic isn't even on the bench, why? Also, same with Schwarzer.
Good line up by Jol. The new boys will want to prove themselves
Not happy with the slow forward line without Rodders. We will see.
Happy with the changes in the line up. Struggling with the bench though - Let's see some heart out there today!
announcer saying Schwarzer has a neck injury....?
Bench is very weak. Shame Kaca, Duff or Petric aren't fit
Quote from: rusty shackleford on December 29, 2012, 02:43:40 PM
I dont get the Kasami-messiah mentality.
If he were good enough, he would be playing
He should be on the bench simply because he's an attacking player. Mind you Kacaniklic should be there for Richardson. Who knows what is going on there?
Swansea kits look like United from a distance
Any links?
Reithers looking lively!
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 29, 2012, 03:02:42 PM
Swansea kits look like United from a distance
:dft008: :dft008: :dft008:
Some of these alternate kits are just dumb .... oh well ... C O Y W
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/160726/2/watch-fulham-fc-vs-swansea-city-fc.html (http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/160726/2/watch-fulham-fc-vs-swansea-city-fc.html)
Brede's passing is awful
I think Hangeland needs to realize his passing isn't what it once was. Stop with the Hollywood passes every single time.
close on that one
Someone explain to me why does Brede hoof the ball into goal kicks for them?
Also so far looks like Karagounis is a midfielder we have always missed - can link up the defence with the forward line and not panic when he recieves the ball :)
Oh dear....
Oh dear.
Can we please sign Stekelenburg.....
Well, can't blame Stockdale
Only problem is we just do not have enough bodies in the area when we attack.
will people be asking for stockdale to be dropped as well? Does not look confident
Quote from: Ordar on December 29, 2012, 03:19:55 PM
Can we please sign Stekelenburg.....
Can we please sign somebody??? Feet in concrete around the goal again...this is the same repeating nightmare...
I wish Berbs would just head the ball or go for a normal shot. fancy flicks are more likely to miss
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on December 29, 2012, 03:20:21 PM
Well, can't blame Stockdale
stockdales bad distribution gave them the ball. funny isn't it.
1st thing to know as a keeper don't knock it back into the middle, shocking goalkeeping.
We went to sleep for 5 minutes
Swansea made 7 changes for this game, their best player isnt playing, and they still look better than us...
Quote from: cottage cheese on December 29, 2012, 03:21:52 PM
will people be asking for stockdale to be dropped as well? Does not look confident
depends, does his passport still say england?
This is looking disturbingly like last year against them , they're knocking it about getting more confidence and knackering us out to go in
for the kill in the second half :005:
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on December 29, 2012, 03:20:21 PM
Well, can't blame Stockdale
I think he should take the blame there, he should've pushed it away from danger.
first i'm sure if you jump to make a save you can always decide where to put the ball... can you actually?
second thing we spoke of last match... surely its only his fault for a poor kick whereas the defence did brilliantly :D
Oh Bryan how we have missed you.
Quote from: The Moose on December 29, 2012, 03:25:03 PM
Oh Bryan how we have missed you.
Yes Ruiz looking one of the only lively ones !
How good is Riether. First priority next month is to sign him up permanently.
Quote from: The Moose on December 29, 2012, 03:27:33 PM
How good is Riether. First priority next month is to sign him up permanently.
He is a class act.
That shot of Berba was hilarious. Turning up his nose at Sidwell, who wasn't smart enough to anticipate the pass.
Wow. Kara is lucky to still be on the pitch. Idiot!
Quote from: The Moose on December 29, 2012, 03:27:33 PM
How good is Riether. First priority next month is to sign him up permanently.
Amen.
Oh Karagounis.....those tacklings are just shite.
We really are a very poor side. Nothing changes but the players. We play at about 95% effort, everyone we play is at 100%. This will be the end of Jol if we lose this match. The players confidence is so low that we won't recover from this anytime soon.
Aside from the trip, how confident is Briggs looking?
how how how has this happened? we are in free fall, 3 points off the bottom three now. Last time we played this bad, Sanchez was sacked...Jol must bewondering the same?
We do look a very poor side
nice shot by Ruiz
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 29, 2012, 03:35:56 PM
We really are a very poor side. Nothing changes but the players. We play at about 95% effort, everyone we play is at 100%. This will be the end of Jol if we lose this match. The players confidence is so low that we won't recover from this anytime soon.
Jol will revitalise the squad with the january transfer window. this game should be players playing for their jobs. if they dont perform, bring someone else in. simple as that.
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 29, 2012, 03:27:49 PM
Quote from: cottage cheese on December 29, 2012, 03:21:52 PM
Does not look confident
OH WONDER
Thought he won't on loan and got some confidence hence everyone asking for him in goal?
Ruiz is looking good though and it makes a difference with Karagounis and Ruiz looking to get the ball off our CB's, we certainly are looking to keep possession better than usual
Our left hand looks weak though, 2 young fellas trying to keep Dyer quiet, not going too well just yet
Quote from: michaelread on December 29, 2012, 03:39:13 PM
Jol will revitalise the squad with the january transfer window. this game should be players playing for their jobs. if they dont perform, bring someone else in. simple as that.
Thats if we have money to spend in January and players actually want to join this shambles
We seem to always play down to our opponent.
Quote from: aussierod on December 29, 2012, 03:43:09 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 29, 2012, 03:27:49 PM
Quote from: cottage cheese on December 29, 2012, 03:21:52 PM
Does not look confident
OH WONDER
Thought he won't on loan and got some confidence hence everyone asking for him in goal?
Ruiz is looking good though and it makes a difference with Karagounis and Ruiz looking to get the ball off our CB's, we certainly are looking to keep possession better than usual
Our left hand looks weak though, 2 young fellas trying to keep Dyer quiet, not going too well just yet
yeah but if you follow any of frei or briggs social media accounts you would know that they are practically boyfriends and in between sharing kisses on the sideline, theyd probably have their communication sorted out
It's normal that the likes of Briggs and Stockdale look a bit rusty, nothing special. I still think they deserve this run-out and even more than that.
Quote from: michaelread on December 29, 2012, 03:39:13 PM
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 29, 2012, 03:35:56 PM
We really are a very poor side. Nothing changes but the players. We play at about 95% effort, everyone we play is at 100%. This will be the end of Jol if we lose this match. The players confidence is so low that we won't recover from this anytime soon.
Jol will revitalise the squad with the january transfer window. this game should be players playing for their jobs. if they dont perform, bring someone else in. simple as that.
For the sake of the club I hope you are right. I'm not sure he'll last that long though.
Another shambolic first half performance where we created nothing as normal and defended poorly. All this against a side resting 7 first team players including top scorer
what an absolute joke!
Meh
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 29, 2012, 03:46:00 PM
It's normal that the likes of Briggs and Stockdale look a bit rusty, nothing special. I still think they deserve this run-out and even more than that.
I might be going mad but other than a slightly dodgy header back to Stockdale, I thought Briggs coped very well with all other situations he was involved in
Much improved, but still not enough. We are fortunate that Swansea are being pretty unambitious. Ruiz needs more movement, just Berba making runs. Both full backs and wingers need to get forward more quickly. As for Stockdale, play it short boy. Berbatov is losing every 50-50 header.
However compared to last 3 games we look much better. We're now moving around expecting the ball and that creates more opportunities for passing. We've even had more shots than in the previous 2 games combined.
Quote from: Jamie88 on December 29, 2012, 03:48:27 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 29, 2012, 03:46:00 PM
It's normal that the likes of Briggs and Stockdale look a bit rusty, nothing special. I still think they deserve this run-out and even more than that.
I might be going mad but other than a slightly dodgy header back to Stockdale, I thought Briggs coped very well with all other situations he was involved in
I fully agree. Saved that very poor Hughes header with some mature defending too. Tried to go forward as well. Ruiz had three or four good chances, he's the ray of hope I've got. One or two special moments.
Quote from: michaelread on December 29, 2012, 03:44:29 PM
Quote from: aussierod on December 29, 2012, 03:43:09 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 29, 2012, 03:27:49 PM
Quote from: cottage cheese on December 29, 2012, 03:21:52 PM
Does not look confident
OH WONDER
Thought he won't on loan and got some confidence hence everyone asking for him in goal?
Ruiz is looking good though and it makes a difference with Karagounis and Ruiz looking to get the ball off our CB's, we certainly are looking to keep possession better than usual
Our left hand looks weak though, 2 young fellas trying to keep Dyer quiet, not going too well just yet
yeah but if you follow any of frei or briggs social media accounts you would know that they are practically boyfriends and in between sharing kisses on the sideline, theyd probably have their communication sorted out
Problem is Briggs isn't very quick and his positioning is poor. That's why I think he'll never make it at this level. Having one of his best games so far though. Frei hasn't really been in the game, though he took his chance well.
Sorry but we did just fine in the first half. Badly need a forward on the pitch. We have no chance to break forward quickly and Berbatov is just not good enough as a loan striker anymore. But plenty of good things. Briggs has done well, Stockdale looks nervy and Karagounis is still a waste of space. Frei done ok and Dejag has played well.
Still hope we can not panic and keep pushing forward and who knows?
Quote from: MisfitKid on December 29, 2012, 03:43:53 PM
We seem to always play down to our opponent.
Some of us.
Quote from: Ordar on December 29, 2012, 03:47:07 PM
Another shambolic first half performance where we created nothing as normal and defended poorly. All this against a side resting 7 first team players including top scorer
Agreed but we can't beat the worst sides in the Prem at the moment, why should Swansea be any different?
tough decisions lie ahead........
It's just a matter of time really, goals will come....
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 29, 2012, 03:50:35 PM
Quote from: Jamie88 on December 29, 2012, 03:48:27 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 29, 2012, 03:46:00 PM
It's normal that the likes of Briggs and Stockdale look a bit rusty, nothing special. I still think they deserve this run-out and even more than that.
I might be going mad but other than a slightly dodgy header back to Stockdale, I thought Briggs coped very well with all other situations he was involved in
I fully agree. Saved that very poor Hughes header with some mature defending too. Tried to go forward as well. Ruiz had three or four good chances, he's the ray of hope I've got. One or two special moments.
Agree. Dyer seems to make Briggs a little nervous but I think he would do the same to any defender. Dega looks really good on the ball, a bit frenetic at times but I can see where with a bit more time he will be good in that spot. Frei looks decent as well.
Given we've one win in 11 it's really no surprise we continue to struggle. Confidence is integral. Jol and Hangeland should be doing more to inspire the players though. But let's appreciate that we are much improved today. We've created several chances and are frankly pretty unlucky to be losing.
Quote from: Mino the Waiter on December 29, 2012, 03:54:49 PM
It's just a matter of time really, goals will come....
i love your optimism
Bring on Rodders for Berbatov and see us rise like phoenix from the ashes.
Quote from: Ordar on December 29, 2012, 03:47:07 PM
Another shambolic first half performance where we created nothing as normal and defended poorly. All this against a side resting 7 first team players including top scorer
Created nothing eh? Berba and Frei came close and Ruiz forced a good save. That's more than Swansea have done apart from the goal.
We can win this we had more posession, hopefully Jol will say the right thing at half time
great to see Briggs playing I hope the lad keeps the spot
I see improvements and to be honest all I want to see in second half is alot of heart - I want them to show the fans that they are willing to die out there. If we get points in the process then great.
Quote from: JustOverTheRiver on December 29, 2012, 03:58:33 PM
Quote from: Mino the Waiter on December 29, 2012, 03:54:49 PM
It's just a matter of time really, goals will come....
i love your optimism
I have to admit, I'm feeling very optimistic for some reason for this second half...
We looked alot more commited to get forward in the first half, I think Swansea will feel slightly fortunate to go 1-0 up at the break
Let's be first, this first half Fulham has performed well. Let's see what happens in the second.
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 29, 2012, 03:47:00 PM
Quote from: michaelread on December 29, 2012, 03:39:13 PM
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 29, 2012, 03:35:56 PM
We really are a very poor side. Nothing changes but the players. We play at about 95% effort, everyone we play is at 100%. This will be the end of Jol if we lose this match. The players confidence is so low that we won't recover from this anytime soon.
Jol will revitalise the squad with the january transfer window. this game should be players playing for their jobs. if they dont perform, bring someone else in. simple as that.
For the sake of the club I hope you are right. I'm not sure he'll last that long though.
RR - You are all over it and you are generally the voice of positivity so as you have been stating as of late the level of performance is just unacceptable and Jol has to take responsibility - period end of story. Something is rotten in the dressing room. What it is no one seems to know but the lack of effort is just inexcusable... I want us to win this match so bad it hurts but I have zero confidence we will muster a draw...
Hughes needs to keep a closer eye on Graham. He's very very good off the ball.
New half and we have to win this game
1 point from southampton and swansea is relegation at home. We need to step it up and actually remeber how to win a game
ffs!
Can we please sign Stekelenburg....
wow didnt see that coming
That hurt...
Unbelievable! Stockdale cost us both goals now. Unbelievable!
so much for Stockdale
Can You spell RELEGATION
This is exactly what happens to poor teams playing poorly - you don't get away with mistakes.
We are in massive trouble
I cannot watch anymore
:dft002: :dft002: :dft002:
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You have got to be kidding me...really... :bang head:
Great keeping. Absolutely great.
Ah, the quality of Stockdale.
is this team trying to get Jol sacked lol..seriously how can a prem team be so poor?
Awful Stockdale but then that what comes of having no Fulham first team football.
Oh well we looked really good but keep making these silly mistakes.
Sack em all.
It's his first Fulham match since 2011 and he's already the scapegoat. HIS FIRST.
wow, Stockdale directly responsible for both goals.
We didn't deserve that.
GOAL. Had to score straight away and now we can turn it around.
Still time. We are certainly not get any breaks
a bit of luck at least
Ruiz!!! damn we missed you
finally.....
A saviour is born. C´mon lads
cr flagRuiz is a BEAST
I was about to say, keep the tempo and we can get something...I was, honestly
COYW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 29, 2012, 04:12:00 PM
It's his first Fulham match since 2011 and he's already the scapegoat. HIS FIRST.
He was at fault for them both!
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 29, 2012, 04:12:00 PM
It's his first Fulham match since 2011 and he's already the scapegoat. HIS FIRST.
Scapegoat or no scapegoat, it was a mistake to be fair..... (and I've been advocating him to play)
All hail Bryan.
YEEEEEES
Quote from: SaltfordWhite on December 29, 2012, 04:14:30 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 29, 2012, 04:12:00 PM
It's his first Fulham match since 2011 and he's already the scapegoat. HIS FIRST.
He was at fault for them both!
ffs, Schwarzer made hundreds of those mistake during this season and he wasn't punished. It's unlucky. He's nervous, eager to impress, possibly doing a little too much. Can't blame him really.
think we should be looking to take frei off
Quote from: RoyTund on December 29, 2012, 04:12:46 PM
We didn't deserve that.
GOAL. Had to score straight away and now we can turn it around.
We didnt deserve that? I hope your referring to the goal we conceded? We're all over them at the moment, look far stronger this half
COYW's!!!!
Calm down it´s enough time ..... :clap_hands:
This kills to watch. We need some belief more than we need new players, but to be honest we need both.
Final product is also poor.
There goes that argument!!!!!!!! Hey Mr Stekelenberg get here as soon as you can!!!!!!
Frei's body language is really impressive for a 19-year old. He really wants to make things happen, wants every ball in this difficult situation.
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 29, 2012, 04:12:00 PM
It's his first Fulham match since 2011 and he's already the scapegoat. HIS FIRST.
"In modern usage a scapegoat is an individual, group, or country singled out for unmerited negative treatment or blame.[1] A whipping boy or "fall guy" is a form of scapegoat."
So, basically, the singling out of errors was not unmerited as he was mainly responsible for the 2nd, and partly responsible for the first. Thus, not a scapegoat.
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 29, 2012, 04:15:46 PM
Quote from: SaltfordWhite on December 29, 2012, 04:14:30 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 29, 2012, 04:12:00 PM
It's his first Fulham match since 2011 and he's already the scapegoat. HIS FIRST.
He was at fault for them both!
ffs, Schwarzer made hundreds of those mistake during this season and he wasn't punished. It's unlucky. He's nervous, eager to impress, possibly doing a little too much. Can't blame him really.
I still think Stockdale should be playing ahead of Scwarzer. But you have to admit that it was an error.
Quote from: aussierod on December 29, 2012, 04:16:32 PM
Quote from: RoyTund on December 29, 2012, 04:12:46 PM
We didn't deserve that.
GOAL. Had to score straight away and now we can turn it around.
We didnt deserve that? I hope your referring to the goal we conceded? We're all over them at the moment, look far stronger this half
COYW's!!!!
Obviously. It was before the Goal comment
I'm not saying he hasn't, all I am saying is that he has made mistakes leading to both goals. Calm down, dear.
wow, Berba and Ruiz, but their goalie is playing like a beast. We barely scored and how many saves he pulled.
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 29, 2012, 04:17:00 PM
Frei's body language is really impressive for a 19-year old. He really wants to make things happen, wants every ball in this difficult situation.
yes, he is the one guy who has given his all during the match
At least we are giving it a go for the first time in a few games.
Frei made that
Dejagah is not my cup of tea at all.
where was the foul against Frei, he was shoved down from behind?
Quote from: RoyTund on December 29, 2012, 04:17:53 PM
Quote from: aussierod on December 29, 2012, 04:16:32 PM
Quote from: RoyTund on December 29, 2012, 04:12:46 PM
We didn't deserve that.
GOAL. Had to score straight away and now we can turn it around.
We didnt deserve that? I hope your referring to the goal we conceded? We're all over them at the moment, look far stronger this half
COYW's!!!!
Obviously. It was before the Goal comment
Apologies then :)
Some interesting scores today too btw
Wow, that was close to a 3rd....
stockdale flapping?! whodathunkit! (me)
Corr Stockdale is nervous ain't he
Quote from: fulhamaustin on December 29, 2012, 04:17:43 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 29, 2012, 04:15:46 PM
But you have to admit that it was an error.
I do. Just saying that Schwarzer also made numerous errors during the course of the season.
Reither player of the season thus far IMO
Get Berbatov off for goodness sake.
jesus christ god damn their keeper
Frei caught that beautifully
Frei is better than Dejagah imo. No reason Dejagah should ever play ahead of him.
I'd like to see another shot of that penalty shout. Inconclusive.
Swansea keeper has played well today to be fair
FFS! :(
Berbatov standing offside for gods sake. Get him off.
WHY BERBA, WHY. What a mental mistake. Stay onside.
Quote from: OxfordWhite on December 29, 2012, 04:25:44 PM
Frei is better than Dejagah imo. No reason Dejagah should ever play ahead of him.
don't they play on opposite sides most of the time?
Quote from: OxfordWhite on December 29, 2012, 04:25:44 PM
Frei is better than Dejagah imo. No reason Dejagah should ever play ahead of him.
Except for the fact they play in a different position perhaps?
Get him off? Lighthouse???
Reither one of the best buys af all made in the summer window. Pure gem.
There keeper is keeping them in there atm, very good display.
Frei is brilliant
I would rather play Richardson than Dejagah
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on December 29, 2012, 04:28:05 PM
Reither one of the best buys af all made in the summer window. Pure gem.
There keeper is keeping them in there atm, very good display.
Completely agree, other than we've not bought Reither
Shame out keeper hasn't kept us in it
This is good football by us
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Please pull this out!
Dejagah is doing better than you think.
this is good football, we have been unlucky...
PLEASE DON'T PUT RUIZ WIDE RIGHT
Quote from: The Moose on December 29, 2012, 04:29:59 PM
Dejagah is doing better than you think.
I think so too, his link up play with Reither is good down the right
With regards to Frei, every time he comes inside though and is getting closed down.... He really needs to work on his left foot
Dejagah is in a Walcott stage. Lots of good footwork but final ball is awful. But he's linked up play well and worked hard. It will come.
So why bring on Rodders for Dejagh who is doing damage. Berbatov has done nothing should be the one to make way. Be honest he hasn't done much.
One bad cross and Dejagah sucks?
He looked exhausted. He played 90 mins vs Liverpool last weekend and almost 70 vs Southampton Wednesday.
Sidwell didn't play vs Liverpool, Karagounis came off the bench vs Soton, Ruiz only played 45 mins vs Soton, Frei didn't start vs Liverpool nor on Wednesday, and Berba barely runs. So Dejagah's fatigue shouldn't be a surprise.
Quote from: aussierod on December 29, 2012, 04:29:45 PM
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on December 29, 2012, 04:28:05 PM
Reither one of the best buys af all made in the summer window. Pure gem.
There keeper is keeping them in there atm, very good display.
Completely agree, other than we've not bought Reither
Yea that is true but if we have any iq then he will be the first announcement in january.
I really dont know why we're playing a wide game, NONE of our players can ever win a header...
Can't tell if Ruiz gone right
I would have preferred them playing this way in the first half...
Dejagh played well
Get the Greek off.
Rodallega is a waste of a sub
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 29, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
So why bring on Rodders for Dejagh who is doing damage. Berbatov has done nothing should be the one to make way. Be honest he hasn't done much.
What c**p.
Much better second half, but too many errors have cost us this game
Quote from: OxfordWhite on December 29, 2012, 04:29:31 PM
I would rather play Richardson than Dejagah
I'll have a double of what ever you are drinking/smoking ;)
-"Oh when the Whites!"
wba away next and they are taking the game to united from what the pundits are saying....0 points from that. A point today is not good enough.
Something drastic has to happen to get this team out of the slump..1 win in 11 thats qpr form and we all laugh at them
hmmm. Sticking Hangers up like this is desperate, never thought I'd see that under Jol.
Whatever the result, we've played well today and that hasn't happened in a long time. A couple of schoolboy mistakes have cost us dear, but that's what happens when you are on a bad run.
I like the Kara/Sidwell midfield duo, they compliment one another much more than Baird/ Sidders.
that bad Dejagah cross deprived us of a certain goal. we had 2 people there. and Lighthouse, watch our attacks, everything is Ruiz and Berba. all the crisp passing, all the vision. Reither is playing well as well. I do agree Berba made a mental mistake and did not keep onside.
Quote from: The Moose on December 29, 2012, 04:38:50 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 29, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
So why bring on Rodders for Dejagh who is doing damage. Berbatov has done nothing should be the one to make way. Be honest he hasn't done much.
What c**p.
Berbatov has done nothing - Missed a chance in the first half and done nothing. People love Berbatov but when you are in a scrap he isn't the player to have on your side.
1 point is not enough
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 29, 2012, 04:42:36 PM
Quote from: The Moose on December 29, 2012, 04:38:50 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 29, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
So why bring on Rodders for Dejagh who is doing damage. Berbatov has done nothing should be the one to make way. Be honest he hasn't done much.
So you'd honest have taken him off given he is the only player with a goalscoring record in our side?
What c**p.
Berbatov has done nothing - Missed a chance in the first half and done nothing. People love Berbatov but when you are in a scrap he isn't the player to have on your side.
Quote from: Fulham_Surrey on December 29, 2012, 04:42:23 PM
that bad Dejagah cross deprived us of a certain goal. we had 2 people there. and Lighthouse, watch our attacks, everything is Ruiz and Berba. all the crisp passing, all the vision. Reither is playing well as well. I do agree Berba made a mental mistake and did not keep onside.
Which are slow and predictable. Gives Swansea time to defend.
Quote from: Nick the Swede on December 29, 2012, 04:38:59 PM
Quote from: OxfordWhite on December 29, 2012, 04:29:31 PM
I would rather play Richardson than Dejagah
I'll have a double of what ever you are drinking/smoking ;)
-"Oh when the Whites!"
I have considered my views and decided I am deluded. It is a side effect of watching this match.
who is going to want to come to fulham in Jan? seriously the likes of stoke and norwich all are more appealing at the moment in the fact they win games..
They finished, we haven't, and that is all that matters
To send Hangeland up front is a proof od how short our bench is
Quote from: SaltfordWhite on December 29, 2012, 04:42:08 PM
Whatever the result, we've played well today and that hasn't happened in a long time. A couple of schoolboy mistakes have cost us dear, but that's what happens when you are on a bad run.
I like the Kara/Sidwell midfield duo, they compliment one another much more than Baird/ Sidders.
Just don't think we've played that well, especially in the first half. Deserved to lose? No but that is what happens when you have no belief.
Sidwell has been immense today. So much energy. Such good reading of the play.
I wish that would be game 38 and we can go for a good OFFSEASON !!!
1 point from 2 must win games then
great
I'll take 1 point over 0 points, but ti's not looking great right now. 090.gif
Paging Mr. Hughes... Paging Mr. MARK Hughes...
Performance improved though
Quote from: OxfordWhite on December 29, 2012, 04:47:10 PM
Sidwell has been immense today. So much energy. Such good reading of the play.
if we had had diarra as well...
The second half was better, agreed. But really, Swansea haven't had much of a sight of goal at all.
I can certainly take positives from this performance compared to recent efforts, and I think that others should try to as well.
i mean , we completely outplayed them. Just no luck at all. Since Hageland's red card and Ruiz injury, it has been a string of misfortunes.
Completely undeserved today. I'd like to see that penalty shout again. Berbatov was disappointing I must admit. As for Stockdale, what a howler.
Frustrating to watch those games, tired of this
Stockdale worst ive seen
Note how Fulham's right-side was non-existant after Dejagah's subbing...
I felt Karagounis was an important addition, offers much more going forward than Baird.
It is good to be positive, getting behind the lads is essential, but my god this is starting to become depressing.
that makes it 1 win in 12. We HAVE to beat WBA and Wigan in January in my opinion. Only 3 points off the relegation places now
Performance was much better second half Karagounis kept the ball much better than Baird has been. Ruiz and Frei were lively. Reither mom as normal
Quote from: Mr Fulham on December 29, 2012, 04:49:54 PM
Performance improved though
Agreed. Much better performance, finally showed some heart, passion and intensity but the boys will be even more deflated after that. A win is surely coming though. Keep the faith
For all that, it's still the result that counts. Now one win in 12, this team is just not good enough.
Positives..... It was a tiny bit better than watching an Ian Branfoot team.....
If we had got 3 points and played like garbage I would be more worried than 0 points and the good 2. half we displayed.
We should have got atleast 1 point but their golie can take the credit.
But if we can carry our play from second half into the next line of games and with a few signings in january then we should secure our place in the league for next season.
Quote from: SaltfordWhite on December 29, 2012, 04:50:20 PM
The second half was better, agreed. But really, Swansea haven't had much of a sight of goal at all.
I can certainly take positives from this performance compared to recent efforts, and I think that others should try to as well.
Positives, yes. We're more aggressive in front of goal in the second half. But if we don't make the net bulge, it's all flash, no cash. We should have come away with 3 points here, and we haven't. The End.
Well poor keeping lost us that match and puts an end to the hope that Stockdale could be our number one. We are short of a forward and a midfielder but Berbatov looks pretty but is no player for the scrap. Really sad because we deserved more from the match.
Looks grim sadly.
However the effort was there but too slow to go forward again.
At the moment I'm in the 'I only give a sh*t about points' camp. One point from those two home games isn't close to good enough.
We're in huge trouble.
I'm always on the optimistic side than the other one, but with 23 shots you should be scoring more than one goal. Might have played better but same story. I can't see our next win.
Too many Saturdays have been ruined by this rabble this season. I'm sick of it.
Looking on the bright side next season we get Millwall and Nottingham Forest away.. We will probably also still have a West London derby with QPR too. Every cloud has a silver lining!
Quote from: BillNRoc on December 29, 2012, 04:53:41 PM
this team is just not good enough.
We knew that in September. Well, I did anyway.
Frei had probably his best game in Fulham, he was ok in the first-half but did well in the second.
Just wait for the next game if he doesn't perform as good as today, everyone here will want him off the team, lol.
Quote from: IranianCottager on December 29, 2012, 04:53:04 PM
Note how Fulham's right-side was non-existant after Dejagah's subbing...
Dega is one of our current scapegoat's. You'll find mixed opinions on him. I thought he did fine today. We just lack a shedload of confidence.
We were massively in the ascendancy and the subs kind of changed that. But we had no depth on the bench whatsoever.
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on December 29, 2012, 04:54:06 PM
If we had got 3 points and played like garbage I would be more worried than 0 points and the good 2. half we displayed.
We should have got atleast 1 point but their golie can take the credit.
But if we can carry our play from second half into the next line of games and with a few signings in january then we should secure our place in the league for next season.
Really? I find that hard to believe.
It's a points based game and it's points more than performances that build morale in a team.
Quote from: BillNRoc on December 29, 2012, 04:53:41 PM
For all that, it's still the result that counts. Now one win in 12, this team is just not good enough.
Not really much difference from the team put out at Arsenal is it? What has changed is that they now lack belief.
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on December 29, 2012, 04:54:06 PM
If we had got 3 points and played like garbage I would be more worried than 0 points and the good 2. half we displayed.
We should have got atleast 1 point but their golie can take the credit.
But if we can carry our play from second half into the next line of games and with a few signings in january then we should secure our place in the league for next season.
From your mouth to God's ears. MAF does need to loosen the purse strings, if only to give us a bench again. But as much as I love Martin, I think we need to hit the Reset button.
I repeat: Paging Mr. Hughes... paging Mr. MARK Hughes...
Oh and some odd subs again by Jol. Didn't help us by taking the wide players off. Really odd.
Quote from: fulhamaustin on December 29, 2012, 04:55:38 PM
We were massively in the ascendancy and the subs kind of changed that. But we had no depth on the bench whatsoever.
We did. I found it a bizarre bench to have. However sticking Hangers up there said it all and made us worse.
I for one cannot wait to see Sinan Bolat in a green Fulham jersey, Schwarzer has been consistently shaky, and Stockdale cost us the game today without a shadow of a doubt
bring on the relegation battle
Quote from: Aaron on December 29, 2012, 04:55:00 PM
Looking on the bright side next season we get Millwall and Nottingham Forest away.. We will probably also still have a West London derby with QPR too. Every cloud has a silver lining!
Let's not go there -- not yet, anyway. We've done Great Escapes before, and with new talent in January, we can do it again... I hope.
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 29, 2012, 04:56:34 PM
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on December 29, 2012, 04:54:06 PM
If we had got 3 points and played like garbage I would be more worried than 0 points and the good 2. half we displayed.
We should have got atleast 1 point but their golie can take the credit.
But if we can carry our play from second half into the next line of games and with a few signings in january then we should secure our place in the league for next season.
Really? I find that hard to believe.
It's a points based game and it's points more than performances that build morale in a team.
Well you do have a point. Points would have been wonderful and well needed, but as I stated earlier all I wanted to see was heart, and that they where willing to die out there in the second half. They did not display the "I don't give a sh*t attitude* so tbh. Im optimistic. With the chance we created then yes we should have got points but their golie coulden't have had a better game.
Ruiz cannot play wide, how long will Jol take to realise this?
Lighthouse, when you say Berba is no player for the scrap, 2 season ago, when Rooney threw his toy off the pram and went on strike, Man Utd were 5 points behind Chelsea, and Berba put them 5 points ahead by the time Rooney was back. He can be there for the scrap, Jol needs to motivate him more and even bench him. Berba played very well today, but made a HUUUGGEEEE MENTAL error, when he did not stay onside during the disallowed goal. Had he stayed 2 steps back, he still would have scored. But it has happened to every striker on the planet. Just unlucky. Berba and Ruiz combination is good. Now, Arsenal want to get rid of Arshavin who wants to stay in London to be close to both his kids and his mistress, so... I think we need to go for him.
I really thought we'd get at least 4 points from these two games and could start to look upwards. The reality is we are on the fringe of a relegation fight.
Plus sides? a somewhat improved performance and Ruiz.
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on December 29, 2012, 05:01:42 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 29, 2012, 04:56:34 PM
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on December 29, 2012, 04:54:06 PM
If we had got 3 points and played like garbage I would be more worried than 0 points and the good 2. half we displayed.
We should have got atleast 1 point but their golie can take the credit.
But if we can carry our play from second half into the next line of games and with a few signings in january then we should secure our place in the league for next season.
Really? I find that hard to believe.
It's a points based game and it's points more than performances that build morale in a team.
Well you do have a point. Points would have been wonderful and well needed, but as I stated earlier all I wanted to see was heart, and that they where willing to die out there in the second half. They did not display the "I don't give a sh*t attitude* so tbh. Im optimistic. With the chance we created then yes we should have got points but their golie coulden't have had a better game.
Yeah fair enough, I see what you're saying. Just my point of view it's at the point I don't care how well we play as long as we take points. I'd honestly take a few Pulis rugby wins than pretty defeats right now.
I've been defending Jol, but I have no idea what those substitutions were.
does anyone know why Kaca didn't play today?
Anyone who says Berba can't play in a relegation fight should have a good look at the seasons highlights. He is passionate, hard working and demanding. He wants to win and he is not a luxury player, he puts his heart and soul into his performances as much as any other player. Today was one of his poorer games.
Quote from: Aaron on December 29, 2012, 04:55:00 PM
Looking on the bright side next season we get Millwall and Nottingham Forest away.. We will probably also still have a West London derby with QPR too. Every cloud has a silver lining!
and Brentford if they get promoted. Even if we really do get into the scrap I can't see us finishing behind 3 of QPR, Wigan, Reading, Southampton or Villa.
Quote from: OxfordWhite on December 29, 2012, 04:47:10 PM
Sidwell has been immense today. So much energy. Such good reading of the play.
Yet he is still far too slow and gave the ball away loads.
Quote from: The Moose on December 29, 2012, 05:10:05 PM
Anyone who says Berba can't play in a relegation fight should have a good look at the seasons highlights. He is passionate, hard working and demanding. He wants to win and he is not a luxury player, he puts his heart and soul into his performances as much as any other player. Today was one of his poorer games.
no way we cannot play Berbatov - short memories! Especially true if Petric is injured.
Quote from: kennethwong20 on December 29, 2012, 05:09:36 PM
does anyone know why Kaca didn't play today?
I'm guessing tiredness?
Quote from: Fulham_Surrey on December 29, 2012, 05:07:39 PM
Lighthouse, when you say Berba is no player for the scrap, 2 season ago, when Rooney threw his toy off the pram and went on strike, Man Utd were 5 points behind Chelsea, and Berba put them 5 points ahead by the time Rooney was back. He can be there for the scrap, Jol needs to motivate him more and even bench him. Berba played very well today, but made a HUUUGGEEEE MENTAL error, when he did not stay onside during the disallowed goal. Had he stayed 2 steps back, he still would have scored. But it has happened to every striker on the planet. Just unlucky. Berba and Ruiz combination is good. Now, Arsenal want to get rid of Arshavin who wants to stay in London to be close to both his kids and his mistress, so... I think we need to go for him.
I wouldn't disagree with the Berbatov points. But just feel at this point in the Prem we need a scrapper and not a poser. Berbatov had much better players around him at Utd. He seems incapable of fighting for a poor pass while being too idle in his own play. A great player yes but we need a scrapper.
Lighthouse, certainly there are such traits, but the guy also wants to win. So I reckon he will be more motivated now. He was pressing opposing players today, something I had not seen him do in Fulham shirt before, so the desire and motivation are getting there. On another topic, still think our luck has been abysmal. I think we will win big against Blackpool as they will get at then end of the whopping stick, so I hope that changes our fortunes in the league as well.
Quote from: RoyTund on December 29, 2012, 04:58:24 PM
Quote from: fulhamaustin on December 29, 2012, 04:55:38 PM
We were massively in the ascendancy and the subs kind of changed that. But we had no depth on the bench whatsoever.
We did. I found it a bizarre bench to have. However sticking Hangers up there said it all and made us worse.
In the days of old it was quite common to send the centre half up front. John Dempsey, Bobby Keetch, & Roy Bentley did on many occasions.
Stats give us 60% possession, 22 shots, 13 on target. A big improvement over recent games. But for 2 GK howlers we should have ran out comfortable winners.
I understand our options are limited at the moment, but Berbatov, Rodellega and Ruiz can't all play at once. (At least) one of them is totally out of position and pretty much useless to the cause.