Kick Off - 15:00
Norwich 0 - 0 Fulham
Line-up:
Norwich Fulham
Bunn Schwarzer
Martin Riise
Bassong Manolev
Turner Senderos
Garrido Hangeland
Tettey Sidwell
Johnson Frimpong
Bennett Ruiz
Snodgrass Duff
Hoolahan Rodallega
Becchio Berbatov
Norwich Subs: Camp, Whittaker, Howson, Jackson, Surman, Kamara, Tierney.
Fulham Subs: Etheridge, Hughes, Karagounis, Dejagah, Emmanuelson, Kacaniklic, Petric.
Match News
Norwich:Pilkington doubtful, Kamara available, Becchio could start.
Fulham:Hangeland fit, Berbatov doubtful, Enoh wont play (said Jol in his interview)
Links:
http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=187666&part=sports (http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=187666&part=sports)
http://www.firstrow1.eu/watch/167999/1/watch-norwich-city-vs-fulham-fc.html (http://www.firstrow1.eu/watch/167999/1/watch-norwich-city-vs-fulham-fc.html)
Looks like the teams are evenly matched !
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Manilov has got his work permit, he might get a run out
Quote from: Fulham1959 on February 09, 2013, 01:04:06 PM
Looks like the teams are evenly matched !
Seems like a certain draw :005:
There has got to be question marks about both teams
According to Mr Fulham's twitter, Riether is out injured.
Quote from: EJL on February 09, 2013, 01:51:45 PM
According to Mr Fulham's twitter, Riether is out injured.
Yes, Sasha wrote on Twitter: Good luck boys.get us the 3 points vs Norwich.
Good thing Manolev got his work permit this week... Just in time.
That's not good news!
Quote from: EJL on February 09, 2013, 01:51:45 PM
According to Mr Fulham's twitter, Riether is out injured.
He's sick, not injured. Probably Manolev has put something in his drink... :)
Quote from: KCat on February 09, 2013, 01:12:46 PM
Manilov has got his work permit, he might get a run out
Lets hope he does well!
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Manaloev, Frimpong, Ruiz and Berbs all start. Looks as if Ruiz will play out wide tbh
Karagounis on the bench.
very, very attacking bench as well.
Two players making their debut. We shall see?
Quote from: Enter the Frei on February 09, 2013, 02:18:07 PM
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Manaloev, Frimpong, Ruiz and Berbs all start. Looks as if Ruiz will play out wide tbh
Karagounis on the bench.
Ruiz out wide??
I thought:
Schwarzer
Manolev Hangeland Senderos Riise
Sidwell Frimpong
Duff Ruiz Rodallega
Berbatov
could be wrong and Ruiz goes out wide, Berbatov in attacking midfield and Rodallega upfront.
I'll change that to I hope it's Ruiz out wide, the way Hugo has been playing recently he doesn't deserve to be pushed out of position.
Be madness to not play Rodders up the middle.
Ruiz will be on the right
Dejagah was unlucky not to start
At some point, Jol will realize that he can't play a striker, Berba and Ruiz at the same time. It doesn't work. We either have Rodellega on the wing (ugh) or Ruiz there, coming off a midweek game in Panama (ughhhhhhhhh).
I'm also going to enjoy the comedy show that is the right side of our back four.
OK, enough negativity. Go get 'em, boys.
Stop press: Fulham already 2 - 0 up having taken to the field a half hour before the opposition turned up. It would have been more if we hadn't missed a penalty.
Manolev & senderos next to each other. That could be interesting.
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 09, 2013, 02:27:38 PM
Be madness to not play Rodders up the middle.
Agree, if Jol starts him on the wing after the last two games, I would not understand it.
really worried about Manaloev given what I've heard about him, but I don't think we had any other options today bar maybe playing Hughes at rb.
Duff on the left, Ruiz on the right and Berba playing off Rodallega. Just like West Ham (?).
Quote from: MJG on February 09, 2013, 02:33:33 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 09, 2013, 02:27:38 PM
Be madness to not play Rodders up the middle.
Agree, if Jol starts him on the wing after the last two games, I would not understand it.
agree with this also....
was hoping for
Sidwell Frimpong/Karagounis
Duff Berbatov/Ruiz Urby
Rodders
Karagounis dropped and Ruiz on the right wing wtf? Not good, not good at all. And of course no Riether. Let's hope Manolev hits the ground running. In my opinion Ruiz should be dropped, he's been far too complacent of late.
Quote from: Enter the Frei on February 09, 2013, 02:36:16 PM
really worried about Manaloev given what I've heard about him
He'll do well, you'll be surprised. ;)
Quote from: farfouille on February 09, 2013, 02:44:01 PM
Quote from: Enter the Frei on February 09, 2013, 02:36:16 PM
really worried about Manaloev given what I've heard about him
He'll do well, you'll be surprised. ;)
I really hope your right, trying not to prejudge him but I'm worried.
Anybody got a link for today's game? Thanks
Baird was also sick and that is why Manaloev was called. Wasn't even in the squad apparantly
Riether mentioned before he felt tired - he will be missed but a game 'off' might be beneficial in for the run in.
Why does Jol always feel the need to tinker fp.gif
No Grant Holt, big bonus.
Berba's been kicked in the face already. Not good.
Berba is so desperate to get the ball from senders and hangers playing keep ball is actually dropping back to pick the ball up in our own 25 yd box
Frimpong looks good
I love Berba to bits but I just don't get why he's so unwilling to get in the box. It's puzzling. He wasn't this way at Man Utd or Spurs.
I know this is early but frimpong looks great so far and slotted in well.
Agree about Frimpong, always looking for the ball
Quote from: Adam87 on February 09, 2013, 03:21:36 PM
I know this is early but frimpong looks great so far and slotted in well.
Frimpong looking class so far, rarely has the ball for longer than a couple seconds before finding a nice pass. Very positive player.
Quote from: The Moose on February 09, 2013, 03:21:28 PM
I love Berba to bits but I just don't get why he's so unwilling to get in the box. It's puzzling. He wasn't this way at Man Utd or Spurs.
Because Rodders is there!
Quote from: The Moose on February 09, 2013, 03:21:28 PM
I love Berba to bits but I just don't get why he's so unwilling to get in the box. It's puzzling. He wasn't this way at Man Utd or Spurs.
Because if he did he wouldn't ever receive the ball from our center backs playing keep ball
Quote from: ollienixs on February 09, 2013, 03:24:49 PM
Quote from: The Moose on February 09, 2013, 03:21:28 PM
I love Berba to bits but I just don't get why he's so unwilling to get in the box. It's puzzling. He wasn't this way at Man Utd or Spurs.
Because if he did he wouldn't ever receive the ball from our center backs playing keep ball
I mean when we're about to put a cross in.
This is great keeping the ball but are we going to attack??????????
Looks like Jol is playing for the draw again...
Hangeland's made a couple of stupid and rash challenges so far.
God we lack any creativity whatsoever and both Ruiz and Berbatov are playing.
Berbatov really does slow the play down alot
Quote from: JIMMY D on February 09, 2013, 03:30:51 PM
Looks like Jol is playing for the draw again...
Do you not understand... Jol picks the team... The plays decide what they play for... He picked a team capable of winning
Thats hardly a yellow for fringpong......oh dear this is always going to be a problem now as you can just see the red coming.....
Other results are going Fulham's way, really need to grab this by the balls now. Norwich really aren't that good.
how on earth is that a yellow for Frimpong. Fulham playing the better football.
Why are we so slow on the fast break..... Other teams would be 2-0 up!
Also really good to see the real hugo turn up, i think hes a massive player for us.....so much to offer....
Berba's ball over the top for Rodallega was class. Jol needs to tell him to play further up the pitch, the further up the pitch he is the more chances we'll create.
Quote from: RoyTund on February 09, 2013, 03:38:57 PM
how on earth is that a yellow for Frimpong. Fulham playing the better football.
That's Riise's fault. He should have come across.
We should really go for the counter attacks when we have the chance of it and not stop 2/3 of the way.
I'm gonna say it.... we look a better team without Berbatov
Quote from: Ordar on February 09, 2013, 03:43:36 PM
I'm gonna say it.... we look a better team without Berbatov
This is an away game
Anyone remember the last time we took a decent corner?
Its like watching paint dry
Frimpong worries me. He could easily get a 2nd yellow and be off. He seems quite naive with some of his tackling.
Has the Norwich keeper had anything at all to do? Its just not good enough going forward
Is it just me or is Ruiz just standing around watching the game?
Emmanuelson and Kara on in second half, I hope.
This is crap. Hard to watch
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on February 09, 2013, 03:50:31 PM
Emmanuelson and Kara on in second half, I hope.
I was thinking Dejagah for Ruiz
Ruiz is useless on the right flank...
Put in Dejagah to add speed to the game, Fulham is playing at walking pace.
That's it for Berbatov in the starting 11. 45 minutes gone and we managed impressive 1 shot on/off goal.....
Good debuts for Frimpong and Manolev, Sidwell and Frimpong bossing midfield. Defensively very good. Offensively very tame. Duff and Ruiz need to do far more and Berbatov needs to push up. Rodallega has had no service.
Ruiz = jet lag?
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on February 09, 2013, 03:51:49 PM
That's it for Berbatov in the starting 11. 45 minutes gone and we managed impressive 1 shot on goal.....
Why blame Berbatov? He's been the best of the four offensive players. Duff and Ruiz have been invisible.
Another half without a shot on goal.. Jol it dosen't work with Berba
berbatov just doesnt fit in this side....hindarance
After some improvement, Mr. Jol restores normal service. SLOW, SLOW, SLOW....Ruiz is a complete waste of space and has been for at least 2 months. Did Fulham have one shot. Bloody awful stuff.....again!!! Someone tell Jol this is a 6 pointer.
Quote from: FC Silver Fox on February 09, 2013, 03:52:06 PM
Ruiz = jet lag?
I don't think so. I think he's just suffering from complacency syndrome. Dejagah or Emanuelson for Ruiz.
Frimpong won't last the full 90, and would honestly take him off now. Nne of the front 4 have really done much, so cases could be made to replace any of them really. Roda has run around a bit mind...
Thought's on Manolev so far? Seems quite positionally unaware at first glance, but done ok.
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So, how do we turn possession football into attacking football?
Quote from: The Moose on February 09, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on February 09, 2013, 03:51:49 PM
That's it for Berbatov in the starting 11. 45 minutes gone and we managed impressive 1 shot on goal.....
Why blame Berbatov? He's been the best of the four offensive players. Duff and Ruiz have been invisible.
Im sorry but it might be just coincidence, that when he plays we take like 2 shots in 90 minutes and when he doesnt we do it about 15 times.
If that's the case i'm taking my words back!
hmmm, would like to see Urby for Frimpong at half time. Would say it's a poor attacking display but it's not really been attacking has it.
Manolev looks shaky and Frimpong is really off the pace.
Just didn't do enough in the final third. Frimpong looks another Etuhu but early days. Otherwise we look comfortable without doing enough. Must give better balls to Rodders and get Duff into the game. We miss the pace up the wings and with Ruiz not doing enough up the pitch we could do with something happening on that wing.
Poor corners so a pretty average first half.
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on February 09, 2013, 03:54:07 PM
Quote from: The Moose on February 09, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on February 09, 2013, 03:51:49 PM
That's it for Berbatov in the starting 11. 45 minutes gone and we managed impressive 1 shot on goal.....
Why blame Berbatov? He's been the best of the four offensive players. Duff and Ruiz have been invisible.
Im sorry but it might be just coincidence, that when he plays we take like 2 shots in 90 minutes and when he doesnt we do it about 15 times.
If that's the case i'm taking my words back!
Ruiz is there. Look for the guy giving the ball away with every possession. You'll see him...
Quote from: Ordar on February 09, 2013, 03:51:18 PM
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on February 09, 2013, 03:50:31 PM
Emmanuelson and Kara on in second half, I hope.
I was thinking Dejagah for Ruiz
Missed last game and am curious to se Urby ;O But yea ruiz havent shown much.
the only time ruiz plays the ball he gives it away - lets have dejagah
If you think this is bad, look at QPR's stats.....
34% possession and 0 shots
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on February 09, 2013, 03:54:07 PM
Quote from: The Moose on February 09, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on February 09, 2013, 03:51:49 PM
That's it for Berbatov in the starting 11. 45 minutes gone and we managed impressive 1 shot on goal.....
Why blame Berbatov? He's been the best of the four offensive players. Duff and Ruiz have been invisible.
Im sorry but it might be just coincidence, that when he plays we take like 2 shots in 90 minutes and when he doesnt we do it about 15 times.
If that's the case i'm taking my words back!
I don't see how you can blame him today. My only problem is he drops too deep and doesn't break a sweat to get in the box. He didn't do this for Man Utd or Spurs. He's playing the trequaratista role and Jol needs to encourage him to play further up the pitch. Ruiz should be the player dropping that deep.
Berba needs to be in the box with Rodders. Ruiz looks jet lagged. Dejagha & Urby on for Duff & Ruiz
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on February 09, 2013, 03:54:07 PM
Quote from: The Moose on February 09, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on February 09, 2013, 03:51:49 PM
That's it for Berbatov in the starting 11. 45 minutes gone and we managed impressive 1 shot on goal.....
Why blame Berbatov? He's been the best of the four offensive players. Duff and Ruiz have been invisible.
Im sorry but it might be just coincidence, that when he plays we take like 2 shots in 90 minutes and when he doesnt we do it about 15 times.
If that's the case i'm taking my words back!
Well he did more crosses than our wingers, so maybe there are other problems in the team as well
Quote from: elgreenio on February 09, 2013, 03:54:32 PM
hmmm, would like to see Urby for Frimpong at half time. Would say it's a poor attacking display but it's not really been attacking has it.
Manolev looks shaky and Frimpong is really off the pace.
No no no. If Frimpong is coming off it needs to be for someone more disciplined than Emanuelson, Karagounis. If we lose the central midfield battle we will concede.
Painfully obvious we're rubbish with Berbatov. Ruiz frustrating. Frimpong lively, the Bulgarian is no Sascha. I'd like to see Urby and Ashkan - Norwich are there for the taking.
If we lose this 1-0 it's going to bloody hurt. They are such a bad team...
We aren't losing yet!!!!!!
According to the club on Twitter, Ruiz has added to his game by winning headers and tackles. Really?????.
Quote from: JIMMY D on February 09, 2013, 04:01:43 PM
If we lose this 1-0 it's going to bloody hurt. They are such a bad team...
But still seemed more dangerous than us in first half..
From bbc live text:
There is a strong stench of manure around Carrow Road and it is coming from the pitch rather than the fields of East Anglia. Norwich v Fulham will have to have a storming second half to justify the neutrals setting the video.
Just willing us to get a goal. Norwich look off the pace and three points here would fantastic. Berbatov is taking the pace out of our play when he drops off to get the ball. A loss here would be hard to stomach.
Quote from: Sector9 on February 09, 2013, 03:58:16 PM
If you think this is bad, look at QPR's stats.....
34% possession and 0 shots
60% and 1 shot is not so much better, i dont think so
Again, I ask, what does Jol do in preparation? norwich are crap, they are in a dreadful run of form and Jols sets out to defend and play as slow as possible. The fans deserve their money back on this one so far.
Sky saying that either side don't want to lose and cancelling eacother out.
Welcome to the game ruiz
Berba finally trying to get in the box and Ruiz finally making things happen, Duff still invisible. Emanuelson for Duff. Kara for Frimpong soon.
Dont want to curse it but Riise is having a very good game :)
Frimpong needs to come off soon, worried about a 2nd yellow for him.
This is garbage, we look like a Sunday league pub team
Duff has been absolutely dreadful.
Duff is not though
Seriously get Duff off and Emanuelson on. He's done nothing.
We need to do a double soon. Have a feeling they will score if we don't start being more offensive.
We should be beating this shower.
Urby on the break Berbatov slowing down play instead and kicking it out for a goal kick yea whatever.....
Kills me to see us once again stop 2/3 of the way on a counter..
Duff not in the game today, at all. We need to start controlling the flow of play more or they will knick it.
What has Kara done wrong? Okay Dejagah for Duff. I do like Emanuelson in cetnral midfield though, playing a Dembele-esque role.
Yeha, Emanuelson clearly plays for a team like Milan :P
Urby has already done more than all our attacking players for the last 65min
Berba off! Hes been awful.
Sidwell has been our best player today.
So annoying. We get up the field, stop and allow all the Norwich defenders to get back into position. Get Berb and Duff off and we will win this.
Berbatov now a liability, get him off
Sidwell has been truly outstanding today. A beast.
What the hell was that from Berba?! Taking his walking pace to a whole new level: not moving.
Quote from: GodfatherJol on February 09, 2013, 04:31:52 PM
What the hell was that from Berba?! Taking his walking pace to a whole new level: not moving.
I think you are mistaken. Someone just corrected me that he's not been bad today and was indeed excellent. For Norwich i guess
Seriously, get Berbatov and Ruiz OFF this pitch.. Fulham are much better without them. Rodders has played well last 2 games....reason...obvious, the other 2 are the pro This is crap.. fp.gif
Bring on Kaca for duff and Petric for Hugo
Quote from: St Eve on February 09, 2013, 04:33:13 PM
Bring on Kaca for duff and Petric for Hugo
What about Berbatov or Ruiz?
Dejagha must come on for Duff & we must pressure their centre backs with more pace.
At work looking at this thread. ..got me a bit twitchy. ..need a win
This is terrible... No attacking......... No running the gaps!
Quote from: grandad on February 09, 2013, 04:35:10 PM
Dejagha must come on for Duff & we must pressure their centre backs with more pace.
we can drastically up our tempo by subbing Berbatov
im sorry but berbatov has to be taken off.....we should bring on some pace now....need legs.
Kara on for duff and put urby wide.
Take off berba or ruiz off and in with Dejagah.
Berba has given up playing. You can tell in his body language. Get petric on.
Oh. Forgot that berb can never be subbed.
Roda's technique just isn't up to it. Dodgy first touch and there have been a few passes that were practically hammered at a team mate less than 5 yards away.
Quote from: jelmo on February 09, 2013, 04:36:39 PM
Berba has given up playing. You can tell in his body language. Get petric on.
Seems Jol has given up now and is hoping for a draw...
I give up. Taking Hugo off and leaving Berba on .... What game is Jol watching? We only need one goal to win this, :clap_hands:.
Rodders off, unbelievable, are we watching a different game to Jol?
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on February 09, 2013, 04:36:28 PM
Kara on for duff and put urby wide.
Take off berba or ruiz off and in with Dejagah.
Spoke too soon :\ But rodders?, there have been worse players out there.
This has been a truly awful game devoid of any quality whatsoever
Norwich are very poor, there won't be many better chances to get 3 points than today.
No pace left up front at all now. Don't understand Jol. Does he just want walking pace all the time.
I guess next sub might be uhm... Hughes for Sidwell and sit out the next 10 minutes...
This is definitely three points dropped, Norwich are awful
Lack of good full back play has also put downer on this. Manolev has done ok, but he isn't gonna be a new Reither on the basis of this performance.
Why isn't Dejagah in...? Duff and Ruiz have both been awful on the wings.
9 minutes to go 0-0 I'd take a point now.
Hopefully not 3 but probably 2
5% possession in the last 5 mins. That must be a record.
If it ends a draw then Jol won 1 point Fulham lost 2.
I'll tell you what ... we won't be top game on MoTD this evening.
Put the ball in bloody box Damien, ffs.
Too cute. We need people that want to shoot!!!!
Chance to cross, dont take it, end up back in our own half. What a joke.
Quote from: FC Silver Fox on February 09, 2013, 04:44:14 PM
I'll tell you what ... we won't be top game on MoTD this evening.
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we will be, if you count the first game as the bottom!
im wondering why would they even bother to put it on MOTD? :D
dreadful, dreadful stuff......I really want Jol out, not now but at the end of the season. He is USELESS.
Berbatov is winning most of the aerial balls. Not 2 bad. We need to loving shoot already.
Ruiz, Duff and especially Berbatov have been awful
This is FFFFFFFFFFFFFF
yea bring on Hughes and hope for a point, nows the time
Well done Manolev saved a possible goal by getting booked :)
Under pressure now
We just keep giving the ball away all the blimmin time. Poor tactics and just poor play by Fulham. Not enough wanting to win today.
The good news is, we look reasonably comfortable in 2 3rds of the pitch, the bad news is it was against norwich.
In the attacking third, considering the players on the pitch, we put them under little or no pressure never looked like scoring.
Actually some good build up play between Berbatov and Manolev.. Dreadful by Ruiz in the box tho..
Doing our best to lose this. Dreadful 2nd half. Making the change now, fp.gif.
Feel sorry for the 1,200 odd fans who made the trip.
we are so much better without berbatov
Quote from: Chutney on February 09, 2013, 04:52:18 PM
we are so much better without berbatov
Yep, you can't compare this performance to the West Ham one.
jUst wish Senderos would've scored an unspectacular winner from the free kick....
sadly we have no fn delivery
The good news is that Manolev looks solid. 9739.gif
Quote from: Wingnut on February 09, 2013, 04:53:00 PM
Quote from: Chutney on February 09, 2013, 04:52:18 PM
we are so much better without berbatov
Yep, you can't compare this performance to the West Ham one.
Berbatov started against West Ham
God awful. Horrible display...
that was one of the worst games of football I've seen for a while
We never wanted to put pressure on them. Poor tactics. Why doesn't Jol want to attack teams. Another frustrating game against a poor Norwich side.
poo game
I dont know about being last on MOD ..If they have any sense they wont show it at all
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on February 09, 2013, 04:43:13 PM
...Jol won 1 point Fulham lost 2.
Just a repeat of what I said - It's how I feel.
What an exciting game that was..
Our best passes were backwards. It seemed nobody wanted to be the one that would win it for us.
Berbatov was motm vs west ham. Get a grip people.
It was ok, we are looking much more organised. If that was a 'horrible display' then what does that say about Norwich who were at home?
Selection and subs were awful again today, we simply can not play with that lack pace on the flanks and expect to do anything. Duff is still a trier, but he is done at this level.
Positives were that Frimpong was tidy and Emmanuelsson did some decent stuff. Might make a decent CM pairing and should at least get Sidwell away from the team.
Quote from: RoyTund on February 09, 2013, 04:58:42 PMIt was ok, we are looking much more organised. If that was a 'horrible display' then what does that say about Norwich who were at home?
Norwich are really poor, with only a few premier league quality players, we have much more talent than them.
Quote from: RoyTund on February 09, 2013, 04:58:42 PM
Berbatov was motm vs west ham. Get a grip people.
It was ok, we are looking much more organised. If that was a 'horrible display' then what does that say about Norwich who were at home?
They were horrible as well??? That is what I think. Ruiz gave away...I don't think I can count that high. Best part of the game was our defense. And, they deserve all the accolades they get. Organization is awesome when you move forward. But lateral and backwards?
Disgraceful performance for the fans that made the journey. I feel robbed just sat here at home, I'll never get those 90 minutes back.
Why bring on Ashkan in the 90th minute? Why take of Rodellga and bring on Petric? The game was crying out for some pace. Both managers clearly set their teams out for a draw.
Manolev looks solid but offers little going forward.
Frimpong was lively but you just feel he's one challenge away from a red.
I thought Hangeland and Senderos did well on the whole, Becchio barely had a sniff all game.
Berbatov was so bad, he should be ashamed of himself.
Three points dropped fp.gif
I'm going over to lurk at We Are The Rangers Boys, that will cheer me up :scarf:
Our wings were dreadful tonight. Not a single good ball delivered..This game both teams were scared to open themselves and to attack.
The reason we played so good against Manchester United is because we had nothing to loose. No one expected us to do anything against them and all the players felt free to play.
Tonight Jol didn't want to drop points. I'ts not THAT BAD, we looked solid in defense at least.
Just chill, it's going to be okay. Don't blame Berbatov, because the whole team was awful in attack.. Again - don't be so upset.
With Norwich having to come forward in the closing stages what point was there in taking the pace of Rodders off for Petric. With no pace out wide and then no pace in the middle we were inviting them to attack us.
Jol continues to confuse stupid people like me. Jol doesn't seem to want to win away.
Berbatov is great in a side with pace. But otherwise he is a luxury bus in a side of old bangers.
Neither GK had much to do. Neither side wanted to lose. It´s our lack of attacking pace that is causing problems. Good debut for Manolev considering he was called up at the last minute. Duff is looking very tired now. I would always start Dejagah. Ruiz only came back from abroad yesterday & looked jet lagged. Berbatov, I´m afraid, is a luxury we can´t afford. If we had a pacy creative MF he would be fine but not with what we have at present.
First of all it is not 3 points droped, but 1 gained today. Both teams went and played with no risks (Norwich, a bit more perhaps). This were the instructions from the managers, I am sure, not to drop points. So....noone is to blame. People should relax, and look forward to the next game.
It was prety dull, wathced the whole game on live stream, thought a point was fair and a clean sheet a bonus ! COYW :54:
Quote from: Boggers on February 09, 2013, 05:01:57 PM
Three points dropped fp.gif
I didn't realise it was four points for a win these days.
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Quote from: Boggers on February 09, 2013, 05:01:57 PM
Three points dropped fp.gif
I didn't realise it was four points for a win these days.
I too see it as three. Two more that we should have had for the win, and we allowed a team that we are tied with (minus the goal differential) a point to stay even. But, like fulhamking said, time to move along, nothing to see here...
My 2cents. Jol needs to put Berba as 9, Ruiz behind him. and then Frimpong, Sidwell, Ubi, Duff midfield. No point of playing Rodders, he is just staying there. Need to play just like we did against Arsenal. Either that or put Petric and for Berba and leave Berba and Rodders on the bench. Berba is the best finisher but slow in developing the attack. Play him as 9 or drop him. Ruiz is fine at 10. Today perhaps Jol should have thought that he travelled all the way from Panama at mid week.
Quote from: Fulham_Surrey on February 09, 2013, 06:32:12 PM
My 2cents. Jol needs to put Berba as 9, Ruiz behind him. and then Frimpong, Sidwell, Ubi, Duff midfield. No point of playing Rodders, he is just staying there. Need to play just like we did against Arsenal. Either that or put Petric and for Berba and leave Berba and Rodders on the bench. Berba is the best finisher but slow in developing the attack. Play him as 9 or drop him. Ruiz is fine at 10. Today perhaps Jol should have thought that he travelled all the way from Panama at mid week.
Ruiz off Berba DOESN'T WORK. The amount of times it has looked good is hugely outweighed by the number of 'nothing' performances.
Quote from: EJL on February 09, 2013, 07:53:38 PM
Quote from: Fulham_Surrey on February 09, 2013, 06:32:12 PM
My 2cents. Jol needs to put Berba as 9, Ruiz behind him. and then Frimpong, Sidwell, Ubi, Duff midfield. No point of playing Rodders, he is just staying there. Need to play just like we did against Arsenal. Either that or put Petric and for Berba and leave Berba and Rodders on the bench. Berba is the best finisher but slow in developing the attack. Play him as 9 or drop him. Ruiz is fine at 10. Today perhaps Jol should have thought that he travelled all the way from Panama at mid week.
Ruiz off Berba DOESN'T WORK. The amount of times it has looked good is hugely outweighed by the number of 'nothing' performances.
agree totally. On paper it should be a great front two. Unfortunately it doesn't work and its all too slow in the build up. Ends up against most teams as a six man midfield.
I'd like to see Ruiz, Berba and Petric (instead of Dave) in the same team again. I don't care if it's slow - at least it's the best we have. :022:
Quote from: farfouille on February 09, 2013, 08:49:32 PM
I'd like to see Ruiz, Berba and Petric (instead of Dave) in the same team again. I don't care if it's slow - at least it's the best we have. :022:
the best players do not always make the best team. I think that's the problem with having those three in the same lineup.
As for the slow remark, its been clear for years we need pace. Especially away from home. Pace these days is essential and I've had it up to here with the slow breakaways we have.
MJG, I disagree with you. Berba on top of the attack, first ball to him, he uses one pass to send it to the overlapping fast players (Dejagah, Emanuelson, Kacaclinic, or even Ruiz), and then get Berba to run quickly back into the box. Jol played like that in Spurs with Lennon and R. Keane coming quickly into the attack. To me, Jol has to share a lot of the blame when we dont perform. He is either happy with the slow buildup and lack of shots, or he should try to motivate and instruct the front players better to perform or he tactically he just has a poor game plan. He should even drop anybody who does not perform. To me Berba needs to be on the top of the attack because he is our best finisher and also brings the others in attack. If he does not perform, bring Petric in but Rodders is just poor. He cannot hold the ball long enough and does not pass well and as he is lightweight gets pushed out of position easily by opposing CBs.
Fulham Surrey. I know Rodders is poor but look what happened when he played v. Newcastle and west Ham....we won!!!! Much of it down to his effort and pace.
Same comment with critics of Sidwell....without him in midfield those 2 wins would not be on the board. He single handedly battled West ham in midfield, whilst those around him were like a bunch of fairies.
In a relelgation scrap you don't need luxury players who are slow. You need scrappers. That's what I think anyway. :drums:
People are never going to agree about Dave. He had what I think were his best two games before today. Brought players into the game and played well.no he's not as skillful as the other three, but he has pace and energy. Sonething they all seem to lack.
I have no problem with Berbatov being the main forward. But he has to realise that's his job and do it. The idea of him getting the ball and one pass wide and him them getting in the box is how it should work..it is not thou.
With him doing that oppo centre half's have a fairly easy game with no one to mark.
Jol I feel is letting Berbatov get away with doing whatever he wants. And he's slowing the game down far too much.
Ruiz and Berba up top would work if you had pace working off them.
Kaca - Urby - Frimpong - Dejagah
MJG, i do agree that Jol is letting Berba do whatever he wants. He needs to tell him to stay up and in the box. And be firm about it.
Quote from: itombomb on February 09, 2013, 09:58:40 PM
Ruiz and Berba up top would work if you had pace working off them.
Kaca - Urby - Frimpong - Dejagah
:plus one:
People who talk about having no pace in the side with Berba, Petric and Ruiz. Have they not watched any of out games this season. We have to have pace through the centre and out wide. It iis no good having one or the other. Rodders did not have a decent ball to him today. Once he left we were under the kosh as we had no build up.
Our slow build up is down to Ruiz and Berbatov. If you play them you must have pace around them in the wide positions AND up the middle. Or have we learned nothing from our terrible run?
would have prefered Urby to Ruiz today.... i dont like Ruiz and Berba in the same team and i think pushing Ruiz out wide when we now have a better wide player (and number 10) in Urby i think is a bit of a joke....
i would have had
Duffer Berba/Ruiz Urby
Rodders
Duffer seems to do better on the right and Urby brings a good amount of pace and skill and natural width for some nice crosses for the airiel ability of Rodders, he also has the abilty to cut inside....
the fact Ruiz only got back from a long midweek trip yesterday could have been a good excuse to start with this attacking 4 but hey, what do i know!
infact our main attacking threat this season has benn Duffer (from the right) wether it be him and Reither combining or a long diagnal for him to attack the inside channel (Man United and Norwich) and they was taken away from us today by playing Ruiz out on the right (sort of) just to accomodate him.... im not a prem league manager but from what i see week in week out Ruiz and Berba are cut from a similar cloth and as class as they are they FOR ME are hindering our side at times, whether it be by slowing down the pace, dropping far to deep, not participating in the age old saying PASS AND MOVE or being played in a position we have better players, i just think it is time to give one of them the free role behind the striker and telling the other to sit it out...
Quote from: itombomb on February 09, 2013, 09:58:40 PM
Ruiz and Berba up top would work if you had pace working off them.
Kaca - Urby - Frimpong - Dejagah
+1
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 09, 2013, 11:42:18 PM
People who talk about having no pace in the side with Berba, Petric and Ruiz. Have they not watched any of out games this season. We have to have pace through the centre and out wide. It iis no good having one or the other. Rodders did not have a decent ball to him today. Once he left we were under the kosh as we had no build up.
Our slow build up is down to Ruiz and Berbatov. If you play them you must have pace around them in the wide positions AND up the middle. Or have we learned nothing from our terrible run?
Reither's loss probably had a bit of an influence on that, he's been awesome providing support down the right.
