Sunderland: Mignolet; Gardner, Bramble, N'Diaye, O'Shea; Sessegnon, Larsson, Colback, Johnson; Graham, Fletcher
Subs: Westwood, Bardsley, Vaughan, Mangane, McClean, Cuellar
Fulham: Schwarzer; Riether, Hangeland (c), Senderos, Riise; Dejagah, Karagounis, Sidwell, Duff; Ruiz, Berbatov
Subs: Etheridge, Hughes, Richardson, Frimpong, Emanuelson, Rodallega, Petric
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What I expected
With two clean sheets in a row, you don't want to change much. I like it!
Agreed. Stay with what is working...
Had a rare occurrence the other night...a football dream. We were 1 down at HT and drew 1-1
not my personal starting 11 but as everyone has said hard to change a winning side... then again when it was a losing side it wasnt changed either especially in the attacking sense... 2 or 3.1 today COYW
I have a good feeling about this. 3-1 the whites
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I just hope we attack and not sit back like we do every away game. Don't understand!
Gentleman Jim up and running...
I have a feeling that we will win this one if we play for a win and not our usual draw
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Periwinkle blue sky. I just love that bloke.
Mute the foxsoccer
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Periwinkle blue sky. I just love that bloke.
Mute foxsoccer.tv and listen to Jim. Makes for a great morning!!!
Anyone have a link to a working online feed for the match?
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Bit miffed we arent seeing much of Emanuelson or Frimpong. See how this goes though!
There we go, thanks for the link
Ruiz howing his passing ability againg... given it away more than not so far hope he gets better still early
Real Madrid a goal up against Barca
Penalty
YEEEEES
That's a cold execution! :wine:
Remy just put QPR one up.
sweet jesus we are winning away
Stonewall Pen. Dunno what Sunderland were moaning about
Yes Berba! 1-0!
Well done by Dejagah in earning the penalty as well, makes up for his screw-up vs Stoke.
Dimitar Berbatov, Dimitar Berbatov, Dimitar Berbatov, Dimitar Berbatov.
[Repeat ad nauseum]
Waheyyyyyy
Berbatov hypnotised Mignolet
Sunderland fans annoyed by the ref in the way that he only gave it on second thoughts, but the right decision was made in the end. The crowd don't know that though to be fair.
why are they banging on about the ref and the peno??
was it a pen? YES
did he give it? YES
do we care why it took him 2 seconds? NO
he got it right FFS
Robbie Savage, BBC Final ScoreSunderland 0-1 Fulham
"Berbatov is too good for Fulham. With that penalty he stopped then sidefooted it nonchalantly into the corner. What a player he is."
What an absolute plank Savage is. No player is too good for us.
Dejag's touches in the penalty area were top class.
Quote from: JudgeBread on March 02, 2013, 03:22:06 PM
Dejag's touches in the penalty area were top class.
his 1st touch was class cos the ball into him was heavy or seemed it
Should have been 2
He's just missed a sitter
Shudda buried that
Dejagah's end product is getting a bit frustrating, should be hitting the target at the very least from there.
I wouldnt say it was a sitter. It was on his bad foot. The perils of playing inverted wingers
Quote from: Ordar on March 02, 2013, 03:29:49 PM
I wouldnt say it was a sitter. It was on his bad foot. The perils of playing inverted wingers
it wasn't exactly a sitter, but he should be doing better than that IMO.
You know there's a problem when even Riether, Fulham's best and most consistent player of the season, if having an off-day...
Don't buy the bad foot argument, these are footballers at the top of their profession - they should be able to use both feet.
Sunderland are squeezing us really well and our passing has been poor. Need some composure in there.
We are still the better team tho
Can see the ref trying even this up. Hesistated to give the pen. Frustrated home crowd. Gave the pen early on in the game.
UNREAL LOVE YOU SASCHA
REIIIIITTTHHHEEERRRR. Great break
get in there Reither... if there was one bloke i would love to see score lol
Oh yes. That's 2
Sign him up
082.gif Yeah! We actually went for that counter and well derserved goal from Reither!
Beautiful work by Ruiz and Dejagah on the right!
Great hustle by Riether to run all the way up there!
Urgh
Quote from: Jack Fulham on March 02, 2013, 03:34:02 PM
Can see the ref trying even this up. Hesistated to give the pen. Frustrated home crowd. Gave the pen early on in the game.
I said it.
of course dumb ass senderos
Penalty what the hell was he doing
Theres senderos usual mistake
this is one thing with senderos that pisses me off... he commits the foul rather than win the ball...
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God just get the link up see we have one and BOOM!!! We are up 0-2
Then a penalty damn it!
Well guess we got his mistake of the game out of the way...
Well played by Ruiz in the box, but what a sprint from Reither. Jesus.
And that's another penalty, stupid decision by Senderos to hug Fletcher.
senderos keep your fecking hands to yourself...ref gave the right decision.
Quote from: jarv on March 02, 2013, 03:38:07 PM
senderos keep your fecking hands to yourself...ref gave the right decision.
But so often they're not given.
i disagree, that was not a penalty.
How often are those given. Never. Sadly feels inevitable that Sunderland wil turn this round. Typical.
That is exactly why you cannot play Senderos
Don't think that's a pen at all, wouldn't have given it if it wasn't for the first penalty being so badly taken by the Sunderland fans.
WTF senderos. Hopeful ball up...Senderos wrong side as per usual. I was really hoping that he'd turned it around over the last couple of games but Jesus. This just brings it all back.
Was a classic home decision to even it up
clear penalty
at last thing you want after scoring the second... giving a penalty away straight after the kick off.
how could martin jol give him a contract extension!?
I really thought Senderos had turned the corner but I was mistaken. He´s having a mare.
Quote from: Ordar on March 02, 2013, 03:40:44 PM
Was a classic home decision to even it up
never a penalty
You will see that happen 1000's of times a season and nothing given
Quote from: Texas White on March 02, 2013, 03:42:38 PM
Quote from: Ordar on March 02, 2013, 03:40:44 PM
Was a classic home decision to even it up
never a penalty
Those are never given, you mean? Clear penalty.
why is that twit so pro Sunderland?
It was a penalty and Senderos is stupid. We had this game wrapped up
Quote from: Ordar on March 02, 2013, 03:43:42 PM
You will see that happen 1000's of times a season and nothing given
yep
Sunderland are exactly the sort of team that don't turn things round.
Quote from: Texas White on March 02, 2013, 03:44:53 PM
Quote from: Ordar on March 02, 2013, 03:43:42 PM
You will see that happen 1000's of times a season and nothing given
yep
so its senderos unlucky again, even thou he did not dispute it.
No argument over the penalty for me. How does Senderos keep his place?! It seems we're happy to accept he'll make at least one costly mistake a game.
Quote from: Texas White on March 02, 2013, 03:44:09 PM
why is that twit so pro Sunderland?
No clue, but there's no other transmissions because of the damn clasico, as if we're supposed to give a damn about this weeks moaning fest between Barcelona and Madrid. I'm considering just putting it on mute
time for referees to give the penalty EVERY time. then, clumsy twats like senderos will stop the holding. just when you think it is safe to play senderos, normal service is resumed.
Its a stupid challenge, but order is right.
They are either all penalties or not. And we see that every week and they are not given.
Two very very soft penalties given so far, but the clearest penalty for around 3 or 4 rugby tackles on Dejagah on the box not given, interesting decisions from the man in the middle
bad mistake by Senderos but Schwarzer should have made clear it was his ball bad decison to back away if Senderos caught that out of the side of his eye can understand the panicky mistake
Silly boy Phil, no need for that at all. Soft but a penalty, I'd like to see the refs be a bit more consistent. Very disappointing as we were running away with the game. Having said that we've comfortably defended against them so far.
The positives are that the Ruiz-Berba partnership is working finally, Berba not dropping so deep and allowing Ruiz the freedom to express himself. I see us scoring again.
Classic Senderos time to celebrate he's new contract we've just been given another full season of this twit!
Berbatov hits double figures on his goals for this season and Sascha Riether gets his first goal for Fulham.
Only time we looked in trouble was the penalty. But not sure we will have such an easy second half. Very little in control in midfield. We need more control and more passing that hurts them instead of just keeping the ball. Odd half to say the least. Dejagah our most dangerous player.
I think the difference is usually the defender is in the right position goal side, and holds their ground. In this case Senderos is caught out and can't get to the ball. It's a penalty because he's making no effort to play the ball, he's just trying to prevent the striker getting to it. It's poor defending and Senderos consistently makes the same mistakes. Hearing he's being offered a new contract, no idea why.
Aside from that a really good first half, we're getting Berbatov back in the game now Ruiz is back and playing solid football.
Sendaros does this all the time... he plays the man and not the ball
look at the Man united goal as a reminder
It's a soft one and Senderos got punished for being a fool.
Sunderland look so average and we look dangerous on the break. I can see us picking them off in the second half.
Let's hope it's not another 3-3 draw!
Quote from: Humbled on March 02, 2013, 03:56:12 PM
Sendaros does this all the time... he plays the man and not the ball
look at the Man united goal as a reminder
Right!? It was only a matter of time with him. I fear it won't be the last time
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Senderos - the thinking mans Zat Knight
*off topic* Kacaniklic has provided an assist for Burnley's first half opener at Charlton :p
Such a shame, all we needed to do was keep the ball until half-time with the score at 2-0 and get the home fans on the players' backs. Such a cheap goal to concede at a really infuriating time.
On a postive note we will win this comfortably. Sunderland are a lot worse than I thought. If you take away the 3 points that they stole against us they would be in big trouble
On the plus side, Dejagah looks outstanding and with Ruiz dropping back into midfield to make a 4-2-3-1, we have an extra man in the middle, meaning Sunderland can't get the ball.
However, the goal seems to have knocked the stuffing out of us defensively: we look shaky all of a sudden and Marko's kicking is getting worse and worse.
I think this game deserves to end a draw. Hoping for a win obviously, but it'll take a bit more from the midfield to improve the possession
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I just hope Senderos can either have a superb 2nd half or be replaced by Hughes.
That was senderos again. Left his man
Senderos saved Fulham with that tackle!
Halsey clearly gave that to even it up as he was uncomfortable with the decision he gave to us. Frustrating as you'll see much worse shirt pulling in the second half in all games this afternoon that won't be given as penalties.
why do Fulham come down to opponents level. Sunderland are awful (again) and we look like leaking more. poor performance again by the lads. gifted 2 goals, go for it.
Johnson is give riether a run for his money
That was shocking from Senderos. Like totally appalling, how can he lose Fletcher when they're running together? He's clueless.
With Sunderland having Bramble & 2 not regular full backs we should be taking them apart.
Brybatov looking a little too languid at the moment, wouldn't mind seeing Rodallega on for Duff or Bryan in a bit
why do our players not want to get in the pen box?
Canadian Cottager is right. Or Jol just needs to bring him off for a quick chat.
need to pick up the pace else sunderland will score soon.....not enough effort being put out by the lads.. looks like they are trying to kill the game but there is 30 minutes left.
Oh for a positive sub. Once again we stop in the final third with no players going forward
Urby for Duff.
Quote from: The Moose on March 02, 2013, 04:23:15 PM
Urby for Duff.
Wouldn't mind that at all. Does seem to be losing his legs in the second half recently Duff
ok sub there, but would also like to see urby on for duff in 5- 10 mins time - think his pace would hurt them alot.
senderos is a liability. He should not be here after the summer. He keeps costing us with his awful concentration
Why's Berba complaining? Because he actually had to run to get to the ball?
I think it's time to get Berbatov off, he is killing our confidence out there!
Quote from: cottage cheese on March 02, 2013, 04:24:33 PM
senderos is a liability. He should not be here after the summer. He keeps costing us with his awful concentration
At worst, he's a decent squad option, but with Hughes aging and at the moment only 3 centrebacks in the squad, we're not in the position to be shedding players in this position. Keep him, but we need a new centreback or two in the summer.
3 or so great tackles from Ruiz in a row there. His defensive work has really been great this season
for love sake love love love
Typical
God damn...
I seem to think its only a matter of time before they score
Well crap. Can't believe Berba didn't put that in, let's get Rodallega on
Time killing is killing :dft007:
Off the boot of WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ???
Oh there we go
Senderos 2 Fulham 2
Ugh... should have been 3-1 but now level. Really good save and a lucky deflection for Sunderland at the other end.
Gonna lose this now.
can anyone honestly say they didn't see that coming?
Another great play by Senderos
stupid penalty to give away and its changed sunderland for the better sadly
We've been very negative second half so it was always likely to happen.
Great - folding like a cheap suit yet again... so maddening... :dft007: :dft007: :dft007:
Sidwell gets his usual booking
he signs a contract and the reverts to his usual self
Why does everyone always just stand and watch? I wish to almighty God we had players that would move off the ball!
so fulhamish
We really get feck all luck away from home. Been better side all afternoon.
We don't want to win and we allow teams to much space. Poor Jol sub. Instead of going for it we sort of hoped and Frimpong is just not up to the pace.
Welcome to the game Damien. Honestly why does he never get subbed?
I'd blame Sidwell rather than Senderos there, Sidwell should have marked the scorer as Senderos was already really in position to back up Riether, perhaps Senderos could have cut it out better but if Sidwell was in position there wouldn't have been a problem. Got to blame Jol for allowing us to drop too deep though, when we did get a break there when ended up so stretched, rather than keeping the ball and controlling the game.
Mark Halsey just seems to make his decisions by trying to even everything out, he's had a mare today IMO.
Also the comments about how we've been to defensive, does it mean much to you that we ended up conceding that goal on the break when we committed men forwards?
Hangeland has been all over the place today. Awful passing, diving into challenges that aren't necessary and being caught out of position, and charging forwards only to give the ball away and then jogging back.
Not really coated himself in glory today Berba...
Duff has been non existent. I can see us losing this now
Berba should have passed. He has been crap today
definitely could see it coming, another on the way too I suspect......woeful 2nd half by fulham.
Quote from: Enter the Frei on March 02, 2013, 04:33:22 PM
Also the comments about how we've been to defensive, does it mean much to you that we ended up conceding that goal on the break when we committed men forwards?
I think the trouble was we ended up stretched as we lost our shape, if we keep the ball and the attack then the midfield is still in shape and the defense has time to close the space between themselves and our strikers, by dropping so deep when we lost the ball we then became so vulnerable to the break.
Twenty mins too late.
Duff has been poor for the past four games.
Missing person alert:
5'11, braided hair, dark complexion. Speaks a bit like Sofia Vergara in Modern Family. Responds to Hugo Rodallega, if found, please bring to the attention of Martin Jol
Why are we playing so deep!!!!! Just inviting pressure
Quote from: Baider on March 02, 2013, 04:42:16 PM
Why are we playing so deep!!!!! Just inviting pressure
Nerves.
Good sub, have Rodallega press their defence so we can push up.
Dejagah's miss now is very painful.
That's more like it, I'm calling it, 3-2 Fulham
Do the players actually want to win this game?
What is Sidwell doing?
what a shambles at the back.
We HAVE to start Emanuelson next game
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Man U 3 up now.
So Senderos has given away 2 points today
why are we so slow on the ball... its really getting on my nerves now
I can't believe we gave this game away
And Real Madrid have just gone 2-1 up v Barca.
Quote from: St Eve on March 02, 2013, 04:48:49 PM
So Senderos has given away 2 points today
!!!!AGAIN!!!
Not good enough second half.. Disappointing.
Can't wait for the Senderos scapegoating to commence fp.gif
Man U 4 up now.
this has been dreadful
Quote from: St Eve on March 02, 2013, 04:48:49 PM
So Senderos has given away 2 points today
Had Berba scored a pretty easy 1 on 1 it wouldn't have been an issue...
2 points dropped.
both Berba and Dejagagh had bad misses.
Quote from: Burt on March 02, 2013, 04:50:38 PM
Can't wait for the Senderos scapegoating to commence fp.gif
Well tbh. It was a team effort to be as poor as we were in second half..
Quote from: alexbishop on March 02, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
this has been dreadful
Dreadful? I found it an enticing game with good chances on both sides.
A point away from home... I'll take that.
2 key moments, Berbs miss and the dodgy penalty to them. Don't think we played well, but I also don't think we were awful and would of probably taken at draw at the start of the game it's just a shame about how we through away the 2 goal lead.
on the plus side, we're in the top ten and 9 points clear. Should still be 9 points after wigan and villa play too
We should have beaten a very poor Sunderland side. One point closer to safety, but I cant wait until this season is over.
Dejagah was good again and Emanuelson very lively when he came on.
Feels like we're still missing something in centre midfield. Senderos will get alot of criticism, but we simply tried to defend the whole second half.
Duff was poor again, and Hangeland didnt have his best game. Still not convinced by the Ruiz and Berbatov partnership
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on March 02, 2013, 04:53:29 PM
Quote from: Burt on March 02, 2013, 04:50:38 PM
Can't wait for the Senderos scapegoating to commence fp.gif
Well tbh. It was a team effort to be as poor as we were in second half..
Exactly.
But Senderos will still be the full guy.
Such a shame to waste the advantage, on the other hand a point away is not bad.
i will take a point too but the disappointing thing is that sunderland are a really awful team, gave Fulham 2 goals and still no win.
Here we go again, we did not lose and that ain't good enough. What is it with you People?
We really were not that bad. Reverse the situation and what would your opinion be if we had played liked sunderland have just done at home? The game turned on a great save from Berba and them getting a lucky break at the other end to equalize. No need to scapegoat Berba (really bizarre given he now has 10 goals for us this season) or Senderos as seems the usual thing to do if we don't win.
Oh well, in effect we are 10 pts from the drop zone & up & up to 10th. Reasonably happy. Surely Jol has to bring back either Hughes or Baird for that walking disaster Senderos.
Quote from: sipwell on March 02, 2013, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on March 02, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
this has been dreadful
Dreadful? I found it an enticing game with good chances on both sides.
Oh come on this was two sides devoid of any confidence scrapping for a point. I don't enjoy watching Fulham when they play like this. A lot of walking around and standing still, misplaced passes and scrambling around in the penalty area trying to hold Sunderland to a point as if we were 3 divisions below them. Should have hammered them :/
Decent point but frustrating, we had the better chances and defended really well apart from Senderos's poor mistake. Sunderland by and large were poor. Should really have won this game.
our lack of fire power through the centre at times means our right and left back push on at every oppotunity despite sometimes the positioning of the ball and players doesnt allow it... it worked for our 2nd goal but for their 2nd it didnt, Riise found himself in the striker role with no chance of getting back.
we have to become faster on the ball. Berba gets away with it cos of his brain and strength Ruiz doesnt and gets robbed of the ball ALOT and when Urby come on (and i would like to see him stat) he was robbed more than he should have been
At the risk of scapegoating, and I am a bit, Duff deserves to be dropped. He's just not effective on the left flank and Dejagah can't be dropped to accommodate him. Maybe Jol feels Emanuelson isn't fit enough or isn't adapted yet? He looked a little off the pace when he came on but he still posed far more threat than Duff.
Same team but with Emanuelson for Duff.
Quote from: sipwell on March 02, 2013, 04:53:36 PM
Dreadful? I found it an enticing game with good chances on both sides.
how can you be optimistic after a game like that? Total control, then throwing it away with mistake upon mistake.
When Sunderland got level, they were only putting 1 or 2 in the box for corners as they were settling for the point, and knew we wouldnt be any threat, and we werent. As soon as Sunderland got the second goal , they had control of the whole match.
Moans
Berbatov should have scored another two. The one on one should have been placed away from the keeper, and he decided to shoot from range because he had no pace.
Riise went forward and was in the Sunderland box when mignolet saved from Berbatov, took his time getting back and left us open to Sessegnons shot.
Dont have confidence in Senderos, seems to be good at passing back to Schwarzer and not much else. But the pen was soft, and the ref only gave it to balance the books.
subs
Duff was anonymous until he came off. Emmanuelson looked better when he came on.
Karagounis was great first half, and is an insult to the man to mention him in the same sentence as his replacement. I dont get what Frimpong brings to the team, a diving header to give a corner away when in space, losing possession too often and a bit of handball.. Think he has been learning from the school of senderos.
Dejegah should have scored and Rodallega didnt have much time to do anything.
BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE
We're in the top 10 for the first time in a long time and the counter attack goal and the willingness to get forward was a delight to see. More consistency over 90 minutes instead of sitting back and more points will come.
What annoys me is that when we did break forward we made them look awful. But we are back to losing shape when our midfield try and support. Sorry but Ruiz behind Berbatov DOESN'T AND HASN'T WORKED. Pace wide and pace through the middle does work and would have done again today.
Swart back to his poor kicking, Frimpong awful and lucky not to give away handball and seem off the pace. Senderos his mistake a game usual.
But Dejagha continedues to look good. Players are there but we need a better formation and a striker playing as a striker
Quote from: The Moose on March 02, 2013, 05:04:08 PM
At the risk of scapegoating, and I am a bit, Duff deserves to be dropped. He's just not effective on the left flank and Dejagah can't be dropped to accommodate him. Maybe Jol feels Emanuelson isn't fit enough or isn't adapted yet? He looked a little off the pace when he came on but he still posed far more threat than Duff.
Same team but with Emanuelson for Duff.
+1, sometimes while watching Duff I ask myself why did Fulham offered him an extension. The guy is 34 and very ineffective as a winger. He is too slow and has not made one single cross for many games. Emmanuelson looks very quick and full of desire...
Quote from: Lighthouse on March 02, 2013, 05:07:32 PM
What annoys me is that when we did break forward we made them look awful. But we are back to losing shape when our midfield try and support. Sorry but Ruiz behind Berbatov DOESN'T AND HASN'T WORKED. Pace wide and pace through the middle does work and would have done again today.
Swart back to his poor kicking, Frimpong awful and lucky not to give away handball and seem off the pace. Senderos his mistake a game usual.
But Dejagha continedues to look good. Players are there but we need a better formation and a striker playing as a striker
Ruiz and Berba HAS worked well the past two games. Ruiz dominated today, he was excellent.
fair enough. 3-4 clean chances, made two of them. their make-up pk aside, they didn't offer much. Riether... how determined can you be? puts everyone else to shame, dejagah aside. my head sunk a bit when rodallega made his way on, but on his wages i guess you've got to play him every few matches... can't be helped. limping into 10th, kings of the rabble.
Today we suffered from away game syndrome. We played for a point in the second half. Thankfully we got it.
I don't accept the Ruiz-Berba partnership doesn't work, to me it has worked well the past two games, and the formation works fairly well. Just need a better left winger as Duff is ineffective.
Quote from: zschwartz on March 02, 2013, 05:11:27 PM
fair enough. 3-4 clean chances, made two of them. their make-up pk aside, they didn't offer much. Riether... how determined can you be? puts everyone else to shame, dejagah aside. my head sunk a bit when rodallega made his way on, but on his wages i guess you've got to play him every few matches... can't be helped. limping into 10th, kings of the rabble.
Well at least - "kings of the rabble" made me laugh!
Ridiculous how we always manage to to spit in the face of victory.
A least we held on for a damn draw which looked dicey at best...
Quote from: The Moose on March 02, 2013, 05:11:17 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on March 02, 2013, 05:07:32 PM
What annoys me is that when we did break forward we made them look awful. But we are back to losing shape when our midfield try and support. Sorry but Ruiz behind Berbatov DOESN'T AND HASN'T WORKED. Pace wide and pace through the middle does work and would have done again today.
Swart back to his poor kicking, Frimpong awful and lucky not to give away handball and seem off the pace. Senderos his mistake a game usual.
But Dejagha continedues to look good. Players are there but we need a better formation and a striker playing as a striker
Ruiz and Berba HAS worked well the past two games. Ruiz dominated today, he was excellent.
No he didn't, he was caught on the ball far too often. I am a fan but two slow players, however talented make for a slow build up. How often did we have players in the area when needed. When we do support the forward we lose all shape. Just have to agree to disagree on this.
After we sold Dempsey and Dembele late in August and never replaced them in either window, our only goal this season was to stay in the league. We moved one point and one match closer to that today, and most of the table below us lost. I'm not going to sweat whether we should have nicked a match where we fell off so badly in the 2H.
We look like we're going to be safe and this summer should be very interesting.
Top 10 guys. Top 10. There were plenty, particularly the 'old guard' of this board, cracking whips that some of us might suggest we could reach the top 10 this season. It's on.
As far as the game goes...would have taken it before. Yes we could have won, but Sunderland will be saying the same and they were the home team.
Does anyone agree we were better than sunderland, especially with the ball??
Quote from: RoyTund on March 02, 2013, 05:30:46 PM
Does anyone agree we were better than sunderland, especially with the ball??
Oh yes without doubt. Which is why it is frustrating when we are hanging on at the end. We are fine going foreward but we do the same thing each game. Break quickly then stop at the final third. The only time we didn't do that we scored.
Its a shame , cant believe that we lose 2 goals lead !
Very shaky in defense but the main problem is Senderos.
The guy is very,very poor player but the his biggest problem is that is very stupid too !
After 2:0 we should have finish the halftime quiet , calm and careful! Only this !
And what did this fool ?!?!?! A very fool penalty that turn back them to game!
Stupid idiot !
And for the second goal...he left the player he supposed to keep
2 points lost! In the most stupid way !
Oh, and Senderos' play was a foul ... which gets called about 1% of the time in the penalty area. Prototype make-up call, which was stupid because Dejagah was actually fouled (if not happy to go down).
Senderos is an oaf and I'm not thrilled to see him being run out there, but if refs call that a penalty consistently, you'll have multiple PKs a game for the rest of the season.
Quote from: zschwartz on March 02, 2013, 05:11:27 PM
... limping into 10th, kings of the rabble.
No, no. 11th is 'kings of the rabble'.....10th is 'dregs of the elite'.
We were two nil up playing well and Senderos gave them two goals. End of story.
Quote from: A Humble Man on March 02, 2013, 06:19:30 PM
We were two nil up playing well and Senderos gave them two goals. End of story.
Two already? I thought they broke from a big goal chance on our side.
Quote from: A Humble Man on March 02, 2013, 06:19:30 PM
We were two nil up playing well and Senderos gave them two goals. End of story.
+1
I will never understand why:
1. Senderos starts.
2. Emanuelson doesn't.
Quote from: VALS on March 02, 2013, 05:50:10 PM
Its a shame , cant believe that we lose 2 goals lead !
Very shaky in defense but the main problem is Senderos.
The guy is very,very poor player but the his biggest problem is that is very stupid too !
After 2:0 we should have finish the halftime quiet , calm and careful! Only this !
And what did this fool ?!?!?! A very fool penalty that turn back them to game!
Stupid idiot !
And for the second goal...he left the player he supposed to keep
2 points lost! In the most stupid way !
Dont worry about it too much. The ref gave the penalty for Sunderland as a payback for our penalty. I dont think the ref had a great game today, nevertheless, it was a stupid by Senderos to do what he did...
Quote from: farfouille on March 02, 2013, 07:20:34 PM
Quote from: A Humble Man on March 02, 2013, 06:19:30 PM
We were two nil up playing well and Senderos gave them two goals. End of story.
+1
I will never understand why:
1. Senderos starts.
2. Emanuelson doesn't.
Abso-loving-lutely. +1. EMANUELSON ON FOR DUFF. FIGURE IT OUT QUICKLY JOL.....
Quote from: A Humble Man on March 02, 2013, 06:19:30 PM
We were two nil up playing well and Senderos gave them two goals. End of story.
Cant say it better, mate , absolutely right !
Quote from: fulhamking on March 02, 2013, 07:38:14 PM
Quote from: VALS on March 02, 2013, 05:50:10 PM
Its a shame , cant believe that we lose 2 goals lead !
Very shaky in defense but the main problem is Senderos.
The guy is very,very poor player but the his biggest problem is that is very stupid too !
After 2:0 we should have finish the halftime quiet , calm and careful! Only this !
And what did this fool ?!?!?! A very fool penalty that turn back them to game!
Stupid idiot !
And for the second goal...he left the player he supposed to keep
2 points lost! In the most stupid way !
Dont worry about it too much. The ref gave the penalty for Sunderland as a payback for our penalty. I dont think the ref had a great game today, nevertheless, it was a stupid by Senderos to do what he did...
Yes, mate, I agree that the ref did it for the compensation BUT Senderos made it in the stupidest way, in front of ref eyes !!! And its not for the first time he doing not only mistakes but STUPID THINGS !
We lost 2 points because his stupidity !
And want to give my opinion that the comby Berba/Ruiz work for me . Brian is second in the team by creativity after Berba , and when they both are on the pitch its very difficult for the opposite team and Berba have chance to play like a 9 , not like a AM.....we loosing his predatory instinct when playing him like AM to fill a gap .....just my opinion !
A Statto will tell us but we have led in so many games this season and have not won that it defy belief. If we had won half of those we would be in a European place, which is what our quality of attacking deserves.
But whose fault is this:
The defence, the midfield not helping the defence enough, the system we are playing, Senderos, Hangeland, the manager, the fans, the owner or all of the above.
