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Title: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Baider on April 07, 2013, 02:00:44 PM
3pm KO

Big game for both teams, a chance for us to extend our unbeaten run and try and get 3 wins on the bounce which would be a first for this season, whilst Newcastle REALLY need 3 points today otherwise they could be in some trouble. However, for some reason I feel optimistic about this one which is probably a never good sign..

0-1 Fulham (Berba)
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Northern Cottager on April 07, 2013, 02:10:18 PM
Enoh and Manolev in for Dejegah and Sidwell
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Admin on April 07, 2013, 02:10:33 PM
My initial reaction is that we’re going to get over-run in midfield. I know Sidwell isn’t the most technical of players but he’s been solid and formed a good partnership with the Greek.

We’re also going to miss Dejagah. Again, he’s been on top form lately and links up well with Riether but as it was proved against QPR we lacked pace when he went off.

My fear is that we’ve got to change things again and when that happens, we fall apart. I’ve also been wrong many times this season so here’s hoping!    
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: IranianCottager on April 07, 2013, 02:10:54 PM
Line-up:
Schwarzer - Riether, Senderos, Hangeland, Riise - Manolev, Enoh, Karagounis, Duff - Ruiz - Berbatov

Bench:
Etheridge, Hughes, Frimpong, Richardson, Frei, Emanuelson, Rodallega
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: NogoodBoyo on April 07, 2013, 02:13:14 PM
I wonder why Frimpong didn't get Sidwell's place?
Ngood "looked good againt QPR, he did" Boyo
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: GodfatherJol on April 07, 2013, 02:14:43 PM
Is Petric injured? Doesn't ever seem to even make the bench nowadays.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: JIMMY D on April 07, 2013, 02:15:06 PM
Strange to put manolev in. Has not played for like years!!!!!
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: DiegoFulham on April 07, 2013, 02:16:36 PM
Is Petric injured? Doesn't ever seem to even make the bench nowadays.
I personally rate Petric, he's been so unlucky this season and deserves a chance at premier league level even if it's not with us.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Riverside on April 07, 2013, 02:17:44 PM
Petric injured I think
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Riverside on April 07, 2013, 02:18:52 PM
Be great if Manolev and Enoch both shine
Have options to buy on both
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: alexbishop on April 07, 2013, 02:20:41 PM
Strange to put manolev in. Has not played for like years!!!!!

He played for his national team last week and scored...
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Ordar on April 07, 2013, 02:20:48 PM
Petric has a hamstring problem and will be out for 2 weeks. Will be good to see how the two new players do.

I quite fancy us today for some reason
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: God The Mechanic on April 07, 2013, 02:21:10 PM
Be great if Manolev and Enoch both shine
Have options to buy on both

Likely why they're both playing.  Would like to see Frei on at some point though, coming back from injury so a start was unlikely but the kid has talent.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 02:29:59 PM
Jol was very shrewd in the pre-match talk where he indicated he would be playing Berba in the hole. Something I certainly dreaded. Outrageous mind games. Trying to throw Newcastle off the scent. Well played sire.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: cebu on April 07, 2013, 02:54:05 PM
Gentleman Jim's commentary is working fine this time:

http://www.fulhamfc.com/match-centre/2012_2013/league/away/newcastle-united (http://www.fulhamfc.com/match-centre/2012_2013/league/away/newcastle-united)
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: T.G. on April 07, 2013, 02:55:28 PM
Manolev scored for Bulgaria against Denmark. : )
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Roberty on April 07, 2013, 02:58:50 PM
This works
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Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Roberty on April 07, 2013, 03:11:24 PM
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Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 03:18:05 PM
Enoh looks good. We need to push up though, we're inviting them on to us.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: alexbishop on April 07, 2013, 03:32:28 PM
bit disorganised aren't we :s
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: IranianCottager on April 07, 2013, 03:32:47 PM
We are playing poorly, inviting Newcastle to dominate. Sidwell's presence in the middle is really missed.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: grandad on April 07, 2013, 03:37:17 PM
We are putting ourselves under unnecessary pressure. We can´t keep playing deep. Duffers has done nothing apart from getting booed. Frei on in the 2nd half for Duff.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 03:37:31 PM
I'd like to see Ruiz crack some shots off. He made a good run earlier and looked dangerous. He's a great finisher.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 03:39:35 PM
Bryan must've heard me.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Enter the Frei on April 07, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
Newcastle look incapable of hitting the target.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: T.G. on April 07, 2013, 03:46:10 PM
Is it just me, or Berbatov and Ruiz partnership is just MAGIC today? o.o
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: alexbishop on April 07, 2013, 03:46:51 PM
think we're playing for the 0-0 draw
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 03:47:31 PM
Enoh has been the stand out player for us. So many interceptions and tackles. He looks excellent. Not missed Sidwell today.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 03:48:27 PM
Is it just me, or Berbatov and Ruiz partnership is just MAGIC today? o.o

It's been outstanding. The difference today is that Ruiz is finally finally trying to score. God knows why it's taken him so long.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: FC Silver Fox on April 07, 2013, 03:49:40 PM
The game is being played at a very leisurely pace. I think Newcastle could be tired after their midweek Europa game. We should try and up the pace right from the start of the 2nd half. We can get all 3 points here.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: God The Mechanic on April 07, 2013, 03:50:33 PM
Really impressed with Enoh, not so much Manolev.  He's not done anything wrong, just not really done anything.  He POSSIBLY could have done better from the corner, but Krul was half a yard away - looked like he may have been fouled too?

So far, so... far.  It's been ok.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: IranianCottager on April 07, 2013, 03:52:57 PM
I've been impressed with Manolev. He isn't as speedy and flashy as Dejagah, but he plays it simple and it's worked. He should have done better with his chance though...
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: elgreenio on April 07, 2013, 03:53:32 PM
we certainly look disjointed with the 2 forced changes but it's another encouraging half. Enoh looks a tidy player whilst Manolev looks a tad off the pace but by no means poor.

Seems like Newcastle are getting the bounce of the ball a bit but reckon we can nick this easily. Would love to see Frei have a run at Gutierrez
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 03:54:33 PM
Manolev offers nothing going forward. We need someone to run at Gutierrez.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: CanadianCottager on April 07, 2013, 03:55:43 PM
Missing Dejagah out there, Manolev is a tidy enough player but Gutierrez is not a natural left-back and we need to be running at him more, something Dejagah always does. Ruiz and Berbatov seem like they'll combine for a goal at some point today. And Eyong Enoh has been excellent, a rock in the middle of the park
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: T.G. on April 07, 2013, 03:56:39 PM
Enoh is fighting a lot. Manolev played some clever passes, but still doesn't look too confident! Hope that we can charge for the 3 points!
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Wingnut on April 07, 2013, 03:57:19 PM
Encouraging first 45 mins. We look good in the final third and I am hoping that Newcastle will tire as the half progresses. We really need someone on who can get at Gutierrez.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: GodfatherJol on April 07, 2013, 03:58:57 PM
Is Petric injured? Doesn't ever seem to even make the bench nowadays.
I personally rate Petric, he's been so unlucky this season and deserves a chance at premier league level even if it's not with us.

Agreed. Of course we can't expect him to play over Berba and unfortunately the two don't play well together. Had we not signed Berba, I think we could have easily seen Petric get.  10-15 goals.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: IranianCottager on April 07, 2013, 04:00:04 PM
I think I now see why Frei, Emanuelson, and Rodallega are on the bench.
Jol will try to keep it 0-0 until 60th minute, and bring these guys on to add pace in place of the likes of Duff, Manolev, and a tired Karagounis to win the game.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 04:05:56 PM
Same type of challenge Sidwell made. The ref inconsistency is infuriating.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: rusty shackleford on April 07, 2013, 04:09:31 PM
Enoh looks like Idris Elba
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 04:12:53 PM
Need to make an offensive change. Frei for Manolev and Duff being pushed to the right.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: MasterHaynes on April 07, 2013, 04:13:32 PM
Same type of challenge Sidwell made. The ref inconsistency is infuriating.
wasn't even going to book him until he saw Enoh was badly injured
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: ..Kya.ffc.. on April 07, 2013, 04:15:28 PM
Need to make an offensive change. Frei for Manolev and Duff being pushed to the right.

Agree we need to start bringing the game to them a bit more.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 04:19:03 PM
Ruiz has dropped too deep, he needs to play just off Berba. He looked dangerous.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Lighthouse on April 07, 2013, 04:20:17 PM
We are just so slow going forward. Puts needless pressure on ourselves by giving the ball away.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: alexbishop on April 07, 2013, 04:21:07 PM
our set piece defending is all over the place again today
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: ..Kya.ffc.. on April 07, 2013, 04:21:36 PM
We got Lucky there.. We need to go after a goal.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: grandad on April 07, 2013, 04:24:13 PM
How many more fouls is Cisse going to make without getting booked.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Fulham_Surrey on April 07, 2013, 04:25:48 PM
what a save by Krul.  Great header by Berba.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: FC Silver Fox on April 07, 2013, 04:27:58 PM
20 minutes to go. I'd take a point now.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 04:29:45 PM
We've learned some things today. Firstly Enoh is better than Frimpong, secondly Manolev is ineffective on the wing.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: alexbishop on April 07, 2013, 04:31:49 PM
we look like the ones coming back from a European game
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Nero on April 07, 2013, 04:32:03 PM
on a broghter note Bobby Zamora just been sent off for QPHahaha
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: grandad on April 07, 2013, 04:32:10 PM
Duff & Manolev have made no impact in attack at all. I imagine defence is more of a priority but I would like us to give it more going forward.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: FC Silver Fox on April 07, 2013, 04:36:23 PM
This is bad. We're sitting too deep and just hacking it away. I agree with Grandad.  Let's bring on Frei to freshen things up.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: gezkc on April 07, 2013, 04:36:54 PM
Is Petric injured? Doesn't ever seem to even make the bench nowadays.
I personally rate Petric, he's been so unlucky this season and deserves a chance at premier league level even if it's not with us.
Petric is out with a groin injury - he's expected back next weekend apparently.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/clubs/9/fulham_injuries.html (http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/clubs/9/fulham_injuries.html)
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: alexbishop on April 07, 2013, 04:37:11 PM
Wingers have been worse than useless today 2bh
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: ScalleysDad on April 07, 2013, 04:39:01 PM
With all outcomes still possible we have to take into account that we have seen what we have been banging on about. Options being played and new players getting a start. Add to that Jol coping with a bit of disruption. Had Enoh not had to go off I'm sure we would have seen Frimpong for Kara on the hour and that might have screwed up a plan to bring Frei on for Manolev.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: FFCSteve on April 07, 2013, 04:39:16 PM
Sloppy passing! don't close down! too defensive!

Why when it's not working doesn't Jol change something sooner?
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: IranianCottager on April 07, 2013, 04:39:22 PM
What was that from Rodallega? Come on...
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: alexbishop on April 07, 2013, 04:39:31 PM
Ahh there's Hugo's 'special' first touch
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: alexbishop on April 07, 2013, 04:43:06 PM
None of our players are capable of finishing other than Berba as well. We should be winning this
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: ScalleysDad on April 07, 2013, 04:45:04 PM
You could argue the point that Rodders is cold, probably literally, but he had five options there and messed up all of them. Sheesh.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Fulham_Surrey on April 07, 2013, 04:45:23 PM
if hugo had a better first touch, he will be playing more.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: alexbishop on April 07, 2013, 04:46:21 PM
You could argue the point that Rodders is cold, probably literally, but he had five options there and messed up all of them. Sheesh.

But we do have the benefit of seeing him in past performances and I think it's easy to say he isn't the most clinical of forwards
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: IranianCottager on April 07, 2013, 04:50:02 PM
Wow... pathetic clearance by Duff.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: EJL on April 07, 2013, 04:50:09 PM
Yay
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: alexbishop on April 07, 2013, 04:50:15 PM
I'd have put a tenner on that happening
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: ..Kya.ffc.. on April 07, 2013, 04:50:38 PM
Ofc... Jol wanted a Draw when he should have gone fore the win...
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Lighthouse on April 07, 2013, 04:50:54 PM
If we defend on the edge of our area that is what happens.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: The King on April 07, 2013, 04:51:48 PM
Fcuk me.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 04:52:05 PM
No less than we deserve for dropping so deep. So so so disappointing.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Wingnut on April 07, 2013, 04:52:17 PM
That is a sickner. Pardew celebrating like he has won the league.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Burt on April 07, 2013, 04:52:35 PM
Ugh... It was coming.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: ..Kya.ffc.. on April 07, 2013, 04:52:55 PM
Give rodders 15% of Berbas first touch and trade it with 10% for rodders Work ethics and pace.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Rhys Lightning 63 on April 07, 2013, 04:53:10 PM
Knew it was coming after about the 89th minute
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Fulham_Surrey on April 07, 2013, 04:53:25 PM
we have ourselves to blame, we could have won it easily.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Burt on April 07, 2013, 04:53:41 PM
Back to the good old days of "sit deep and concede in the last minute..."
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: alexbishop on April 07, 2013, 04:53:48 PM
What the hell was the game plan?! I called it before half time. Playing for a 0-0 draw
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 04:54:06 PM
Argh I'm so annoyed! Why did we drop so deep? We haven't been doing that lately, it never ever works unless you're Roy Hodgson.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: grandad on April 07, 2013, 04:54:20 PM
We deserved a point for our dogged defending but we could have made more effort earlier to take the game to them.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Enter the Frei on April 07, 2013, 04:54:48 PM
as many have said we were far too deep and in the end got what we deserved, not our best performance by any means.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on April 07, 2013, 04:55:50 PM
LAZY, UNINTELLIGENT DEFENDING!  
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Admin on April 07, 2013, 04:56:17 PM
THIS is Fulham all over.

Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: ScalleysDad on April 07, 2013, 04:56:42 PM
You could argue the point that Rodders is cold, probably literally, but he had five options there and messed up all of them. Sheesh.

But we do have the benefit of seeing him in past performances and I think it's easy to say he isn't the most clinical of forwards


I think it was past performances that got him this gig and for me he hasn't earned a prolonged stay. If he is not clinical in front of goal, has the touch of a breeze block and is a bench warmer much of the time surely he has had his chance?
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: ..Kya.ffc.. on April 07, 2013, 04:57:13 PM
Jol need to go into the game with an intention to win it more often and not settle for a draw beforehand. That way we would play our chance and not get stuck with a defensive approach all game long.. Seen it a few times this season.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: FulhamPHX on April 07, 2013, 04:57:38 PM
Really missed Sidders in the middle and Dejegah going forward.  Still, my only question is how the hell was that 5 minutes of stoppage time?  I figured 2-3.  Oh well, not saying they didn't deserve it towards the end, was constant pressure from NUFC for the last 10-15 minutes.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Luffy86 on April 07, 2013, 04:57:56 PM
It sounded like we didn't do much attacking...? Would be nice to go away from home and try to score as many as possible, or is that asking too much? It seems like we are waiting for the odd counter attack...!?
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: alexbishop on April 07, 2013, 04:58:05 PM
It should have been us running at Newcastle and making them sit deep not the other way round, Newcastle were shattered. Jol had three subs to use and used 2. Shoulda put Frei on and got him Rod and Duff running at them.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Baider on April 07, 2013, 04:58:34 PM
fcuk sake so boring
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: alexbishop on April 07, 2013, 04:58:47 PM
It sounded like we didn't do much attacking...? Would be nice to go away from home and try to score as many as possible, or is that asking too much? It seems like we are waiting for the odd counter attack...!?

When we counter it goes out to the wingers who stop, turn around and pass it backwards
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: elgreenio on April 07, 2013, 04:58:55 PM
never looked like winning it or even trying to win it. Jol very reluctant to change anything there, both wingers non-existent in the second half.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: grandad on April 07, 2013, 05:00:33 PM
Newcastle were playing for their lives. Of course we were going to be under the cosh. The defence did a great job for 92 mins & only a miss hit shot made it´s way to Cisse.
Title: Re: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Count Berbatov on April 07, 2013, 05:02:06 PM
I know everyone is probably disappointed, but there were moments when Fulham looked like Barca at controlling the play. ...and then of course the typical unforced mistakes. I enjoy watching your side at times. Today there were a couple spells it was a joy to watch
Oh, and well deserved Newcastle. But it could have been the other way around. Pity

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Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Fulham1959 on April 07, 2013, 05:02:56 PM
Everybody happy, then !    :005:

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Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: BedsFFC on April 07, 2013, 05:04:04 PM
If ever a match summed up why we now have a poor away following, that was it. I'm not going to complain too much because we do more right than wrong but we do seem to have an inherent small club mentality away from home. The odd thing is, I'm not gutted we lost because you could just see it happening and frankly, we deserved to lose. I'm more upset we didn't try and win. Hey ho...fulham lose away...today was more about qpr for me...sadly.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: bulgariawhite on April 07, 2013, 05:05:08 PM
Where 5 mins came from don't know. We deserved a draw. Impressed with Enoh and Manolev considering they have had no game time. I agree if we stayed offensive we could have shut them up. Once again an injury time loss and a bit lucky how the ball fell. It could not have been defended. Thankfully results have gone our way so safety is assured IMO
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: ScalleysDad on April 07, 2013, 05:05:17 PM
It should have been us running at Newcastle and making them sit deep not the other way round, Newcastle were shattered. Jol had three subs to use and used 2. Shoulda put Frei on and got him Rod and Duff running at them.



This is what makes Jol so frustrating and consequently still the source of a split in our ranks. You are right. Had we run at the Newcastle back four we would have probably scored more than once. These days most of our substitutions do not change the game in our favour. They either simply cover for an injury or are very negative. Frei for Duff or even Emanualson for the same would have at least carried on the project of assessing our options for next season.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 05:10:12 PM
Feel we could've taken something from this game. Jol's stubborness in playing Duff on the left is infuriating. He's far more effective on the right. He would've given Gutierrez problems. Manolev is not a winger. I would've got Frei on for Manolev.
As for Rodallega, I just don't trust him. He's far far too inconsistent and I hope we can get another striker in to take his place as backup.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Lighthouse on April 07, 2013, 05:12:25 PM
We had two chances. Chose to defend deep. Lost the game.

Like nearly every away game and yet I am told we are not dull to watch.

We have some great players all told to play deep unless we have a breakaway. Then we lose the ball because we have no pace. When we have the pace of Rodders, Berbatov drops into his own half. Frustrating and dull.

I love the way people have a go at Rodders. As if anything he did made was worse than anything anybody else did.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: IranianCottager on April 07, 2013, 05:12:33 PM
We really missed Dejagah, Manolev has nowhere near the same amount of pace, skill, and creativity as him.
Very disappointing to see Frei given no playing time. Even Emanuelson deserves another chance.
But for Jol to wait until the 80th minute (I don't count Frimpong for Enoh since it was forced due to injury) to make a sub was very confusing. And to not even give Frei or Emanuelson any playing time on the wings, where we needed speed and creativity, while Manolev and Duff did essentially nothing all match, is beyond me.
And the goal was so avoidable, what a poor clearance by Duff. All he had to do was boot the ball up the field to clear the danger and let our defense reorganize, but he couldn't do it. I'm not trying to put all the blame on him, but he should have done better.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Aaron on April 07, 2013, 05:12:51 PM
In the first half I thought we looked good value for this to be honest.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: grandad on April 07, 2013, 05:14:15 PM
The injury to Enoh hit us as bad as the injury to Dejadah did on Monday. Today Duff was our weakest player. I would have put on Frei in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Barrie on April 07, 2013, 05:15:42 PM
Newcastle were playing for their lives. Of course we were going to be under the cosh. The defence did a great job for 92 mins & only a miss hit shot made it´s way to Cisse.

That's how I see it too.  That said,we lack incision in our attacking play without Jags in the team, and Duff doesn't appear to carry any threat.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: zschwartz on April 07, 2013, 05:22:26 PM
the rodallega substitution was anything but cynical... yes, maybe he should not be played at all, but it was an offensive substitution.  That is what is frustrating to me; away from home against a team fighting for their life and we decide to shoot ourselves in the foot. Manolev was removed, a defender positioned in the midfield, for what would become positionally a cf.  it was as though he expected us to concede either way and try to grab one back late.

to those saying we were going to be the ones controlling an away game in the 93rd minute against a relegation-bound opponent with our average age of 36... the point was the right thing to play for at that stage of the game. removing manolev for rodallega was an extremely optimistic decision. they hit the post or xbar, what, 5-6 times?
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: grandad on April 07, 2013, 05:23:39 PM
Remy has just made an off the ground lunge & only got a yellow. Far worse than Sidders.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: ScalleysDad on April 07, 2013, 05:24:57 PM
We had two chances. Chose to defend deep. Lost the game.

Like nearly every away game and yet I am told we are not dull to watch.

We have some great players all told to play deep unless we have a breakaway. Then we lose the ball because we have no pace. When we have the pace of Rodders, Berbatov drops into his own half. Frustrating and dull.

I love the way people have a go at Rodders. As if anything he did made was worse than anything anybody else did.


I don't think Rodders has been singled out specifically and he shouldn't be. I commented on his inability to control, protect, hold onto and lay off a ball but he did that all at once. I'm not even sure he will score any points out of ten based on his impact today but he ought to escape any worthwhile criticism as Jol and the players on for the full ninety five minutes let the side and the travelling support down.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 05:31:50 PM
We had two chances. Chose to defend deep. Lost the game.

Like nearly every away game and yet I am told we are not dull to watch.

We have some great players all told to play deep unless we have a breakaway. Then we lose the ball because we have no pace. When we have the pace of Rodders, Berbatov drops into his own half. Frustrating and dull.

I love the way people have a go at Rodders. As if anything he did made was worse than anything anybody else did.

Berba and Ruiz were much more of a threat.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 05:32:40 PM
Remy has just made an off the ground lunge & only got a yellow. Far worse than Sidders.

True. Clattenburg just hates us. Neither Hangeland nor Sidwell should've been sent off.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Humbled on April 07, 2013, 05:36:03 PM
It sounded like we didn't do much attacking...? Would be nice to go away from home and try to score as many as possible, or is that asking too much? It seems like we are waiting for the odd counter attack...!?

When we counter it goes out to the wingers who stop, turn around and pass it backwards

due to having no strikers in the box at any time.....
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 05:36:20 PM
the rodallega substitution was anything but cynical... yes, maybe he should not be played at all, but it was an offensive substitution.  That is what is frustrating to me; away from home against a team fighting for their life and we decide to shoot ourselves in the foot. Manolev was removed, a defender positioned in the midfield, for what would become positionally a cf.  it was as though he expected us to concede either way and try to grab one back late.

to those saying we were going to be the ones controlling an away game in the 93rd minute against a relegation-bound opponent with our average age of 36... the point was the right thing to play for at that stage of the game. removing manolev for rodallega was an extremely optimistic decision. they hit the post or xbar, what, 5-6 times?

Rodallega went up front though. What would you have us do just defend for our lives for 95 minutes? Defending too deep is the reason we lost not bringing off Manolev, the goal didn't come from their left side.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Humbled on April 07, 2013, 05:37:36 PM
We had two chances. Chose to defend deep. Lost the game.

Like nearly every away game and yet I am told we are not dull to watch.

We have some great players all told to play deep unless we have a breakaway. Then we lose the ball because we have no pace. When we have the pace of Rodders, Berbatov drops into his own half. Frustrating and dull.

I love the way people have a go at Rodders. As if anything he did made was worse than anything anybody else did.

Berba and Ruiz were much more of a threat.

more chances when he came on than b4 he was on... so thats 81 mins to 14.... he gives us something else AT times i enjoy watching Ruiz but with Berba it will take something special from BOTH week in week out for me to be happy

i wont change my oppinion we want a striker that plays off the shoulder at all times

we also keep getting lucky with our over playing of the ball at the back
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 05:41:01 PM
We had two chances. Chose to defend deep. Lost the game.

Like nearly every away game and yet I am told we are not dull to watch.

We have some great players all told to play deep unless we have a breakaway. Then we lose the ball because we have no pace. When we have the pace of Rodders, Berbatov drops into his own half. Frustrating and dull.

I love the way people have a go at Rodders. As if anything he did made was worse than anything anybody else did.

Berba and Ruiz were much more of a threat.

more chances when he came on than b4 he was on... so thats 81 mins to 14.... he gives us something else AT times i enjoy watching Ruiz but with Berba it will take something special from BOTH week in week out for me to be happy

i wont change my oppinion we want a striker that plays off the shoulder at all times

What game were you watching? No there weren't. What we need is for Ruiz to get forward more like he did in the first half, we need a new left winger as Duff is average out there. Possibly Kaca and Frei but that remains to be seen. And yes a poacher with pace who can be a good impact sub, and that isn't Rodallega.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Humbled on April 07, 2013, 05:44:14 PM
We had two chances. Chose to defend deep. Lost the game.

Like nearly every away game and yet I am told we are not dull to watch.

We have some great players all told to play deep unless we have a breakaway. Then we lose the ball because we have no pace. When we have the pace of Rodders, Berbatov drops into his own half. Frustrating and dull.

I love the way people have a go at Rodders. As if anything he did made was worse than anything anybody else did.

Berba and Ruiz were much more of a threat.

more chances when he came on than b4 he was on... so thats 81 mins to 14.... he gives us something else AT times i enjoy watching Ruiz but with Berba it will take something special from BOTH week in week out for me to be happy

i wont change my oppinion we want a striker that plays off the shoulder at all times

What game were you watching? No there weren't. What we need is for Ruiz to get forward more like he did in the first half, we need a new left winger as Duff is average out there. Possibly Kaca and Frei but that remains to be seen. And yes a poacher with pace who can be a good impact sub, and that isn't Rodallega.

3 to 2.... in play (not from dead ball)
Ruiz and Berba look good (Ruiz only at times) if we had a striker with a bit of pace that stayed up front we would be a far greater threat going forward
im not saying Rodders is the man, im simply saying i hope next season the 2 starting attackers are NOT Berba and Ruiz

to whoever said about wingers, i would like more pace however you could have usain Bolt but due to how deep Berba and Ruiz play and how slow they are (Ruiz being played thru by Berba today - not the one the defender blocked) we would never have anyone in the box
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 07, 2013, 05:52:52 PM
We had two chances. Chose to defend deep. Lost the game.

Like nearly every away game and yet I am told we are not dull to watch.

We have some great players all told to play deep unless we have a breakaway. Then we lose the ball because we have no pace. When we have the pace of Rodders, Berbatov drops into his own half. Frustrating and dull.

I love the way people have a go at Rodders. As if anything he did made was worse than anything anybody else did.

Berba and Ruiz were much more of a threat.

more chances when he came on than b4 he was on... so thats 81 mins to 14.... he gives us something else AT times i enjoy watching Ruiz but with Berba it will take something special from BOTH week in week out for me to be happy

i wont change my oppinion we want a striker that plays off the shoulder at all times

What game were you watching? No there weren't. What we need is for Ruiz to get forward more like he did in the first half, we need a new left winger as Duff is average out there. Possibly Kaca and Frei but that remains to be seen. And yes a poacher with pace who can be a good impact sub, and that isn't Rodallega.

3 to 2.... in play (not from dead ball)
Ruiz and Berba look good (Ruiz only at times) if we had a striker with a bit of pace that stayed up front we would be a far greater threat going forward
im not saying Rodders is the man, im simply saying i hope next season the 2 starting attackers are NOT Berba and Ruiz

to whoever said about wingers, i would like more pace however you could have usain Bolt but due to how deep Berba and Ruiz play and how slow they are (Ruiz being played thru by Berba today - not the one the defender blocked) we would never have anyone in the box

We can agree at least that Rodallega shouldn't be starting.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Humbled on April 07, 2013, 05:53:28 PM
QPR just scored a goal we will not... unless Reither bags it ofcourse
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Humbled on April 07, 2013, 05:54:22 PM
We had two chances. Chose to defend deep. Lost the game.

Like nearly every away game and yet I am told we are not dull to watch.

We have some great players all told to play deep unless we have a breakaway. Then we lose the ball because we have no pace. When we have the pace of Rodders, Berbatov drops into his own half. Frustrating and dull.

I love the way people have a go at Rodders. As if anything he did made was worse than anything anybody else did.

Berba and Ruiz were much more of a threat.

more chances when he came on than b4 he was on... so thats 81 mins to 14.... he gives us something else AT times i enjoy watching Ruiz but with Berba it will take something special from BOTH week in week out for me to be happy

i wont change my oppinion we want a striker that plays off the shoulder at all times

What game were you watching? No there weren't. What we need is for Ruiz to get forward more like he did in the first half, we need a new left winger as Duff is average out there. Possibly Kaca and Frei but that remains to be seen. And yes a poacher with pace who can be a good impact sub, and that isn't Rodallega.

3 to 2.... in play (not from dead ball)
Ruiz and Berba look good (Ruiz only at times) if we had a striker with a bit of pace that stayed up front we would be a far greater threat going forward
im not saying Rodders is the man, im simply saying i hope next season the 2 starting attackers are NOT Berba and Ruiz

to whoever said about wingers, i would like more pace however you could have usain Bolt but due to how deep Berba and Ruiz play and how slow they are (Ruiz being played thru by Berba today - not the one the defender blocked) we would never have anyone in the box

We can agree at least that Rodallega shouldn't be starting.

sorry... i would take him over Ruiz lol so maybe we wont agree haha
but i just have a real problem with Ruiz and Berba starting down the middle so maybe i have my blinkers on a bit due to this??
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: JackyFulham90 on April 07, 2013, 07:06:14 PM
I thought the back 4 had good games, Schwarzer was very good, Enoh looked good, Ruiz & Berbatov had there moments, Kara , Duff & Manolev were poor
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: epsomraver on April 07, 2013, 09:02:18 PM
Remy has just made an off the ground lunge & only got a yellow. Far worse than Sidders.

True. Clattenburg just hates us. Neither Hangeland nor Sidwell should've been sent off.

It was Probert  not Clattenburg,
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Fulham_Surrey on April 07, 2013, 09:24:00 PM
i thought at one point, had he pressed up a bit, we could have scored first and won. Jol could have been more adventurous.  We have a very very tough schedule.  I think we are not yet safe from going down.  The home games against Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool are essential.
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: JackyFulham90 on April 07, 2013, 09:34:33 PM
i thought at one point, had he pressed up a bit, we could have scored first and won. Jol could have been more adventurous.  We have a very very tough schedule.  I think we are not yet safe from going down.  The home games against Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool are essential.

We are well safe, lose to Villa , Chelsea & Arsenal but no way will the team going down this season have 39
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: Max Headroom on April 07, 2013, 09:39:54 PM
We have lost one in the last 6. We wold have to lose th next 7 to have a slim chance of gong down
Title: Re: Newcastle v FULHAM Match Thread
Post by: VALS on April 07, 2013, 09:45:27 PM
The lads took what they  deserved - 0 pts !
When you play for 1 point obviously you loose !
Im sure, we have quality to beat today but our mentality of mid-table team hindering us !
Im so sorry that we lost this absolutely "can win game" !
Hope to learn our lesson !