Surprised no one else got this up yet. Kaca starting on the left is brave. He did really well against Arsenal but he'll have to massively improve his defending, Coleman is good going forward and he'll need to work hard to prevent Coleman getting balls in the box.
Big game for Enoh too, he'll need to win the battle against Fellaini.
Can't say I'm all that optimistic today.
All I would like to see is a little more positive play than we have been used to away from home. If we lose we lose but I would like us to go down having a few more chances than usual. We are talented enough. Instead of being worried about Evertons attacking full backs we should make them worried about ours.
In a brighter note Bryan Ruiz always scores against Everton. He loves scoring against Howard.
Quote from: Azeedo on April 27, 2013, 02:50:48 PM
In a brighter note Bryan Ruiz always scores against Everton. He loves scoring against Howard.
Let's hope he'll continue that today.
Coyw! - Let's grab a point or 3.
Once again I cannot pick up the iPhone app commentary!! Blimming thing!!
Well thats been coming. We're sitting far too deep. Kaca yet again been anonymous
shite as usual
good play though too easy :(
I really dont see any point in playing 2 wingers with the players we currently have
Same old....
May have well try something different like attack maybe?
Sorry I know I'm being silly
There goes berbatov. Not really a bad thing imo might switch things up a little
Manolev has been poor today. Emanuelson has hardly touched the ball, and Kaca seems to lose the ball every time he has it. Not for the first time this season I dont understand the tactics we're trying to play.
We dont look able to create any goal scoring opportunites
Jol out
What was wrong with Berbatov or had he just had enough?
Quote from: sunburywhite on April 27, 2013, 03:39:25 PM
Jol out
A poor summer in the transfer window and a poor start to the 2013' season and you may get your wish. This season is becoming very tedious to say the least.
Quote from: Ordar on April 27, 2013, 03:38:44 PM
[...] Not for the first time this season I dont understand the tactics we're trying to play. [...]
At times it seem there is nothing to understand as it seems we do not have any when we play away.
Urby out Duff in
So little movement from everyone in a white shirt, really rather frustrating.
4.5 games without a goal from a fulham player. Its dogshit football. We're lucky we beat spurs cause we'd be fucked outherwise
We need more youth in the team I think. We play so deep because the squad don't have the stamina to press higher.
Two scouse commentators on my link... so biased i actually feel sick.
Yes same old dreadful performance. Can people really be happy with this type of effort? Let's hope we have something more to offer in the second half. But so far this is just awful again.
just pathetic
Wow, we are playing awful. This is painful to watch.
Every game we hope for me.... wtf
I just dont get the lack of urgency.
We must make the least goalscoring opportunities in the league. It seems to barely be 1 a game.
Quote from: The Moose on April 27, 2013, 03:49:27 PM
We need more youth in the team I think. We play so deep because the squad don't have the stamina to press higher.
At times I feel like we might as well just give our youth team a go. They played well all all season and when our first team plays like this so often away we may as well give them an experience.
On a second note they may get crushed but atleast they will play their chance.
Well, unlike some teams today we're not about to drop out of the Football League. We've safe in the PL, recently played in Europe and have some very good players. We must be doing something right.
Welcome to supporting FFC.
Quote from: Ordar on April 27, 2013, 03:59:44 PM
We must make the least goalscoring opportunities in the league. It seems to barely be 1 a game.
There have been eleven games this season where we have not scored which is 1/3 of our games
So much for Jols attacking free flowing football
Quote from: sunburywhite on April 27, 2013, 04:05:32 PM
Quote from: Ordar on April 27, 2013, 03:59:44 PM
We must make the least goalscoring opportunities in the league. It seems to barely be 1 a game.
There have been eleven games this season where we have not scored which is 1/3 of our games
So much for Jols attacking free flowing football
+1
dumbfounded how we go from two reasonably positive performances to this
scoring is becoming a massive issue
maybe the media are right, one man team
Wigan now winning.
OMG what a chance missed by Urby...
Quote from: IranianCottager on April 27, 2013, 04:12:06 PM
OMG what a chance missed by Urby...
First good attacking play there. Let's have more of that please.
Urby really should have scored then. It's been slightly better so far this half, not that that's hard, but still not enough... things.
Sounds like another injury too, joys.
Richardson seems to have problems with his hamstring. Thats 3 times now this season he's gone off with the same injury.
The excuse will be our injury list. No proper full backs. But we are just not close to being good enough.
Quote from: Ordar on April 27, 2013, 04:14:37 PM
Richardson seems to have problems with his hamstring. Thats 3 times now this season he's gone off with the same injury.
One of the reasons I'm not entirely sure he is gonna be the solution to the left back issue next year. Riise isn't consistently good enough, and Richardson isn't consistently fit.
Really good, if slightly late, pass from Ruiz then. Should have been made the touch earlier.
I think the main problem with the side is pace. Theres literally none. Attacking is so slow that its easy for the opposition to defend.
Petric has done nothing since coming on
If Berbatov does not score then I cant seen anyone else doing so. I really would like to know what we practice during the week as this could be around the 15th game of the season where we have less than two shots on target....we honestly are so lucky we won against spurs.
Quote from: cottage cheese on April 27, 2013, 04:18:50 PM
If Berbatov does not score then I cant seen anyone else doing so. I really would like to know what we practice during the week as this could be around the 15th game of the season where we have less than two shots on target....we honestly are so lucky we won against spurs.
We can thank our very good start of season for not having to look forward to championship next season.
We offer nothing in the last third.
Quote from: Lighthouse on April 27, 2013, 04:24:49 PM
We offer nothing in the last third.
we have offered nothing at all in the majority of games this season. We dont shoot, we dont attack with pace we dont push teams back etc. Its been so boring and frustrating watching us play this seaon that I really dont see the point with what Jol is doing as I cannot see any results/progress under him.
Woke up late here in the US, what happened to Berba? Injury or voluntarily subbed?
Quote from: hesedmedia on April 27, 2013, 04:30:12 PM
Woke up late here in the US, what happened to Berba? Injury or voluntarily subbed?
He got fed up playing for Jol
Although Jol is bringing some quality players into the club (although the majority are on loan) the tactics, especially going forwards are non existent.
There is no point playing with wide players if we're not going to cross the ball and when that happens without getting people into the box. The style of football we're playing reminds me of how Wilkins had us playing in Division 2. All sideways and backwards
Quote from: Ordar on April 27, 2013, 04:32:35 PM
Although Jol is bringing some quality players into the club (although the majority are on loan) the tactics, especially going forwards are non existent.
There is no point playing with wide players if we're not going to cross the ball and when that happens without getting people into the box. The style of football we're playing reminds me of how Wilkins had us playing in Division 2. All sideways and backwards
thats our problem i feel. We have attracted the players but I dont think Jol has worked out a system thats consistent enough, we are so hot and cold that I feel we need a lot of changes iin the summer
One positive, we're on course for our best result at Goodison in years...
I suppose the post match conference will touch on injuries forcing plan z into action which hadn't actually been practised and I suppose from 'our' perspective we are getting what we have been calling for. Petric on for more than ten minutes and the show pony off. The Ruiz debate of earlier in the week could take on a few twists if resurrected tonight.
I renewed my ST last night to encourage the one next to me being freed up from the staff perk list. As Lighthouse has said where did the pre season promises go. Orange is the new black. My arse!!!!
love this is so bad. I cant watch
Going 4ward I hope we sign a striker with pace and a number 10... Ruiz is poor! I know he has a lot of supporters on here and on his day he is decent (not amazing) but the problem I have with him is his day comes 1 in 10.
He is too slow, requires too much time on the ball and loses it far to easy
Abysmal in the final third. No penetration or urgency.
Yeah I've given up on Ruiz aswell. He doesnt offer enough and cant seem to play wide, which is where I would play him (and where he played for Twente)
Still dont rate Kaca either
Osman should have been booked a while back, so that should be his second yellow.
Not that it'd make much of a difference today.
I think it's an issue that we have no pace thought the middle. Our quickest wide men (relatively speaking), have no targets if they break with pace, so they pull it back and wait for the rest to catch up. I think the idea behind Hugo coming on is to solve that problem, but his first touch has been quite poor so that hasn't really come off this season. When Berba's on, and if he stays forward, he helps a bit because his touch is so good that the ball can be driven to him at pace, allowing more of a time advantage over the defenders.
I'd really like to see Kaca left, frei middle, duff right with Berba up front for a game. I feel if we can get some pace moving around berbatov, we might see some good things happen.
What annoys me is that Everton havent even played well. We've just offered nothing. I've said the same several times this season
Quote from: Ordar on April 27, 2013, 04:47:59 PM
What annoys me is that Everton havent even played well. We've just offered nothing. I've said the same several times this season
they still have managed 16 shots compared to our 4. Regardless of how well they have played etc at least they are having a go. We must have had the lowest amount of shots in each game this season surely? I really find it boring watching us at the moment
Quote from: Ordar on April 27, 2013, 04:47:59 PM
What annoys me is that Everton havent even played well. We've just offered nothing. I've said the same several times this season
Everton been professional, despite players dropping like there's a sniper in the terraces and Osman somehow staying on
We are a very mediocre, bland team, reckon 3 pts a must next week now, we should have been safe weeks ago
Did Howard make a save? I really cant remember one
I watched ten minutes towards the end. Senderos howler, Petric free kick failing to pass the wall, Emanualson left marking Fellani on the back post and the latter missed a sitter, Ruiz dispossessed, Amazing run from Emanualson from defence and Senderos in the opposition box somehow. Nothing threatening at all though. Everton look poor, we look worse.
Quote from: Ordar on April 27, 2013, 04:43:04 PM
Yeah I've given up on Ruiz aswell. He doesnt offer enough and cant seem to play wide, which is where I would play him (and where he played for Twente)
Still dont rate Kaca either
Ruiz gives plenty, his passing range is excellent, it's just that he has no one to pass to. He also works very hard for the team.
It's Everton away, may as well disregard the result today.
Boring. Nearly snoozed half way through the second half.
Don't blame Ruiz look around Petric, Duff even Kaka were Shite today, it was a collective effort to come out and play an very uninspired game.
Jol's already said that the squad needs rebuilding in the summer (which is obvious) so we can look forward to another fantastic "transitional season" next year aswell...
We are just so dull to watch. As has been the case throughout the season, we create so little and offer absolutely nothing going forward. Big changes needed in the summer
What month was it when we last scored a goal? Once Berba left the pitch, the chances of our being shut out again multiplied. One more pitiful offensive 'display.'
Can anyone defend Ruiz after today's umpteenth poor showing? Mr. Giveaway takes too long on the ball time after time, game after game. Back to Holland with him, for pennies on the dollar/pound, he's not good enough for the role he's asked to play at this level.
Jol has failed to deliver on his promises, why should we keep him in charge? Side without imagination or pace going forward, few chances created, no saves by opposition keeper required. Like his squad, the manager isn't good enough.
Our right-wing is simply non-existant without Dejagah and Riether. Manolev, Emanuelson, and Duff once he came on were all extremely poor today.
No point in blaming the odd player here the odd player there. We offer nothing in the final third. When we should have put them under pressure we had nothing. I just see a dull side with dull tactics away from home. I feel sorry for our better players.
Quote from: The Moose on April 27, 2013, 04:54:13 PM
Quote from: Ordar on April 27, 2013, 04:43:04 PM
Yeah I've given up on Ruiz aswell. He doesnt offer enough and cant seem to play wide, which is where I would play him (and where he played for Twente)
Still dont rate Kaca either
Ruiz gives plenty, his passing range is excellent, it's just that he has no one to pass to. He also works very hard for the team.
I have been on the fence on this debate for a while looking at the technical reasons as to why a plan has not worked out and the umpteen reasons Jol offers as to why the plan has not worked out, injuries, windy days and the opposition not allowing us to play but today he barely gets a four /ten. Berbatov goes off and he should have been dictating play and pulling all the strings as many on here state he should be doing week in and week out. Bottom line is he is not good enough to do that and does not earn a starting place based on whatever other attribute he is supposed to have.
Kaca did well until he had to put a ball in (most of the time). Like the rest of the team, but that's mainly because there's no one to pass to half the time. And that's because there's so little movement, which is because the players are either too old or not good enough, or both.
Quote from: ScalleysDad on April 27, 2013, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: The Moose on April 27, 2013, 04:54:13 PM
Quote from: Ordar on April 27, 2013, 04:43:04 PM
Yeah I've given up on Ruiz aswell. He doesnt offer enough and cant seem to play wide, which is where I would play him (and where he played for Twente)
Still dont rate Kaca either
Ruiz gives plenty, his passing range is excellent, it's just that he has no one to pass to. He also works very hard for the team.
I have been on the fence on this debate for a while looking at the technical reasons as to why a plan has not worked out and the umpteen reasons Jol offers as to why the plan has not worked out, injuries, windy days and the opposition not allowing us to play but today he barely gets a four /ten. Berbatov goes off and he should have been dictating play and pulling all the strings as many on here state he should be doing week in and week out. Bottom line is he is not good enough to do that and does not earn a starting place based on whatever other attribute he is supposed to have.
He needs an outlet to make things happen, after Berba went off no one bothered to even make a run.
We really missed Dejagah and Riether in defence and attack. I thought we were great against the Irons after Berba went off and was hoping for something similar today.
Every other team expects us to put everything through Berba so when he's off the park, they don't know what our Plan B is. Unfortunately neither do our players!
So that's 3 goals in 45 minutes against QPR. Then no goals in 495 minutes since, except an OG from a badly taken corner.
Ruiz can do no wrong in some peoples eyes.... i see someone say his range of passing is excellent. i must be watching something different, yes he has a good range but how many times it actually hits the spot he is aiming for is in question, unless ofcourse he is aiming for the opposite team. He struggles to make a 5 yard pass most of the time.
As for everytime we lose away, reading people saying its away or because were playing so n so away we dont expect a win this gets on my wick.. what a load of rubbish!!
Berba is slow and doesnt always try too hard but at least he has something special, Ruiz has NOTHING special what so ever and what further hurts him is him and Berba play a similar way the only difference is Berba has the ability to keep the ball unlike Ruiz who is easily bullied off of it.
Ruiz has had maybe 2 above ok games this season and i dont class 1 pass in a game (west brom) as having a good game. when he has been playing with Berba he had 1 bit of magic againt Reading (the dink to Berba at least looked good) and had a good (full) game against Arsenal away
i did put a list of stats from games with Berba and Ruiz together and 1 playing with either Petric and/or Rodders, if someone can be bothered to dig it out it could be interesting
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 27, 2013, 05:27:25 PM
So that's 3 goals in 45 minutes against QPR. Then no goals in 495 minutes since, except an OG from a badly taken corner.
and consider two goals against qpr were a penalty and an og..it does make grim viewing. We really have nothing going forward. I really do not know whats happened since the first few games of the season...oh wait i do, we had dembele in midfield who ran the show. Until we replace him we really will struggle to dominate any game
Quote from: cottage cheese on April 27, 2013, 05:37:32 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 27, 2013, 05:27:25 PM
So that's 3 goals in 45 minutes against QPR. Then no goals in 495 minutes since, except an OG from a badly taken corner.
and consider two goals against qpr were a penalty and an og..it does make grim viewing. We really have nothing going forward. I really do not know whats happened since the first few games of the season...oh wait i do, we had dembele in midfield who ran the show. Until we replace him we really will struggle to dominate any game
We have failed to replace Dembele, Murphy or Dempsey from last season.
The key to our attacking set up is the Ruiz/Berbatov link and regrettably it looks as if it has failed.
Jol out
Apparently, Berbatov is out until the end of the season.
Quote from: Fulham_Surrey on April 27, 2013, 07:22:12 PM
Apparently, Berbatov is out until the end of the season.
if true then Ruiz for me has 3 games to stamp his mark on the team without the shadow of Berbatov on the pitch.
poo or bust for him from my pov.
Quote from: Fulham_Surrey on April 27, 2013, 07:22:12 PM
Apparently, Berbatov is out until the end of the season.
Do you have a source for this, please?
What's the matter with him? I think we played quite well when he was injured last time didn't we?
Source about Berbatov: my university friend who is Bulgarian and listens to the local newscast. Partially torn calf muscle.
Quote from: cottage cheese on April 27, 2013, 05:37:32 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 27, 2013, 05:27:25 PM
So that's 3 goals in 45 minutes against QPR. Then no goals in 495 minutes since, except an OG from a badly taken corner.
and consider two goals against qpr were a penalty and an og..it does make grim viewing. We really have nothing going forward. I really do not know whats happened since the first few games of the season...oh wait i do, we had dembele in midfield who ran the show. Until we replace him we really will struggle to dominate any game
Dembele was out of the mix quite quickly and only really ran the show at Old Trafford which was balanced out by Hangaland having a mare. Our free scoring start and the results against the likes of Norwich and West Brom alongside getting goals away at the likes of Southampton and Reading came about because we were playing like a team with some invention, guile and spirit. We still couldn't defend for shite but we were always looking at options and players switched around, we took shots, made more of corners and free kicks and even the substitutions offered options. We can't look back on the what ifs, the two D's and the January window now. On all three points Jol has had more than enough time to sort something out. If its not down to Jol the first team coaching set up certainly needs reviewing. When did it become impossible to get a free kick over a wall or a corner onto team mates head? Oh and make a five yard pass to a team mate.
Being a Geordie now would be worse but hoping for a bunch of nil nils tomorrow and Monday and a possibly relegated team playing poorly next week isn't what I was hoping for.
Quote from: Fulham_Surrey on April 27, 2013, 09:30:53 PM
Source about Berbatov: my university friend who is Bulgarian and listens to the local newscast. Partially torn calf muscle.
Thanks for that - even though it's bad news.
