What is it about players we sign for a fee over £10m .
Manlet £10m striker, he could not strike a match.
Ruiz . £10m Mid/ striker, he had a few moments of magic but on the whole he was not value for money.
Mitroglou. £12m Not fit when we bought him. From what I saw yesterday he has a lot more training to do to get fit ( I was counting on him to score the goals to keep us up)
I just hope he is fit for the game against Chelsea and scores a late winner.
Quote from: The Swan on February 23, 2014, 10:16:10 PM
What is it about players we sign for a fee over £10m .
Manlet £10m striker, he could not strike a match.
Ruiz . £10m Mid/ striker, he had a few moments of magic but on the whole he was not value for money.
Mitroglou. £12m Not fit when we bought him. From what I saw yesterday he has a lot more training to do to get fit ( I was counting on him to score the goals to keep us up)
I just hope he is fit for the game against Chelsea and scores a late winner.
You forgot to mention Andy Johnson- injury prone, sounds as if Mitroglou may have a dodgy knee as well.
We would all love to see Mitroglou get a couple against Chelsea but somehow I suspect Terry will not give him a look in.
Give the bloke a chance - he comes with a great record, and not of a 'sick note.'
It's generally thought that it's been a coup for Fulham to get him.
Give it a rest, give the bloke a chance, watch the two superb goals he scored for the U 21's before you start slagging him off, all strikers need service, he got nothing!
What exactly did you expect him to do with all 4 touches he had with the ball. Since it seems your team didn't want to cross the dreaded midfield line for some reason... or mby they couldn't.
Also I don't know if you have watched any fulham games but I wouldn't count on the whites scoring late winners anytime soon.
You paid 12m quid, for a guy that if he'd stayed to play CL knock outs with olympiacos and then the World Cup, a BPL bottom team wouldn't even dream of getting.
Frankly, some of you guys are just poor supporters, no other way to put it.
Anyway, I won't respond to other threads like this, don't want to seem like his apologist.
Quote from: Mitroglol on February 23, 2014, 10:52:35 PM
What exactly did you expect him to do with all 4 touches he had with the ball. Since it seems your team didn't want to cross the dreaded midfield line for some reason... or mby they couldn't.
Also I don't know if you have watched any fulham games but I wouldn't count on the whites scoring late winners anytime soon.
You paid 12m quid, for a guy that if he'd stayed to play CL knock outs with olympiacos and then the World Cup, a BPL bottom team wouldn't even dream of getting.
Frankly, some of you guys are just poor supporters, no other way to put it.
Anyway, I won't respond to other threads like this, don't want to seem like his apologist.
As much as you're welcome on here, please don't go around branding members as 'poor' supporters just because Mitrogolou has picked up a bit of criticism. People have opinions, they are entitled to them, but that doesn't make them poor fans by any stretch. If you're a real fan of Mitrogolou, try to defend his corner, put across your opinion, and put those right by being constructive, not insulting. Comparing your teams fortunes to Fulham's won't win you any fans either. 12 million quid or not, your boy Mitrogolou has a much bigger challenge trying to keep Fulham in the Premiership, rather than trying to keep Olympiacos afloat in the CL knock out stages.
I agree - let's lay off him until Chelsea when he will be fitter by another week and see how he plays.
However...................that first touch he had from Hangeland's forward pass when he failed to jump and handled it seemed to bring a collective quiet groan from around us at the Hawthorns !! Here we go again (maybe)!!! - let's hope I am wrong but I am entitled to my first impressions.
the problem yesterday, and i will do my best to be factual was... and bear in mind i went to the game and had a brilliant view of the pitch...... he was either still rather injured and he was wearing cycle shorts under the kit suggesting that was the case... OR he is exceptionally lazy.
He chased nothing, he bearly left the centre circle, he didn't seem to have any energy at all.
If he is not really fit then it was unkind to risk him, i would prefer to wait and see how he is when properly ready, but if he is fit, then that was an exceptionally poor first appearance just besed on complete lack of effort... I was there, I saw it and you can't see that on any TV screen.
His first touch was a handball, his second and third touches were pretty good, i don't recall him doing anything else so can't comment on a fouryh touch
but certainly in the premiership you have to work hard (actually all the best players work very hard, it doesn't hapen by accident that they are good),
Whether we had brought on Mitroglou or Robin Van Persie - it wouldn't have mattered.
We were nowhere near the West Brom goal - the area he is most dangerous.
Yes he looked rusty, but the over-the-top, exaggerated criticism of him already is dumb.
I'm sure some people just want to be able to say: "I told you so..."
If he scores some vital goals in the run-in, I hope the people writing him off will slap themselves.
The Greek poster Mitroglol wasn't wrong in most of what he said!
Does make me laugh to read some of the posts. so many people gave woeful pathetic ruiz the benefit of the doubt for the best part of two years and are writing Mitrogolu off after 30 mins!
I was there Saturday and it didn't matter if we had Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo's love child up front there was nothing he could do. Even with Rodders up front we insisted on playing high balls up to our front man against possibly the biggest centre back partnership in the league
:dead horse:
You need to build the team around his style. He is worth it, believe me.
He is not pacy, but he is an excellent striker! Be patient!
Kostas Mitroglou - God Of "Goal" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0eXSxUFwUE#ws)
For what ive seen, he had no service what so ever. There was the moment where he attempted to control it with his chest and was clear through, if it hadnt been called back for contact with his arm, he would have for sure had a pop.
I haven't written him off, as I said I expected him to score the goals to keep us up.
Give him a chance,we had stopped putting service into the front men at the end of the first half,and if he was lazy magath knows him as a player and wouldn't pick him if he was lazy no chance.
isnt this his first knee injury? hardly a dodgy knee suspect. we need to give a break and let him play. I am sure he will be fitter for the next game, maybe 60 minute fit, then maybe we can start him and get rid of rodders.
On the other hand, I follow a famous barca forum and there are some people that run down messi after every defeat, "sell messi while he's profitable", "too lazy", "why does he walk all the time" etc, so I should expect this kind of stuff in every team.
Mitroglol,
I would imagine a lot of the angst is FFC fans wondering why a month after buying Mitro, he still likely won't be fit to start a match, or why FFC would buy him in that condition if it was apparent in the medical.
There are several possible explanations, so we'll have to wait and see.
Quote from: Denver Fulham on February 24, 2014, 09:08:07 PM
Mitroglol,
I would imagine a lot of the angst is FFC fans wondering why a month after buying Mitro, he still likely won't be fit to start a match, or why FFC would buy him in that condition if it was apparent in the medical.
There are several possible explanations, so we'll have to wait and see.
At least after khans quote we know who's signing he was, and that's Ali Mac.
I suspect we knew the extent of the injury and were willing to sign the player despite that because he was such a high profile and highly sort after striker.
Quote from: MrProphet on February 24, 2014, 08:09:21 PM
Does make me laugh to read some of the posts. so many people gave woeful pathetic ruiz the benefit of the doubt for the best part of two years and are writing Mitrogolu off after 30 mins!
I was there Saturday and it didn't matter if we had Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo's love child up front there was nothing he could do. Even with Rodders up front we insisted on playing high balls up to our front man against possibly the biggest centre back partnership in the league
:dead horse:
Ruiz had touch, the ability to see and execute a good pass. If Mitro had shown either of these attributes, it would be easier to be more patient.
Until Felix took off Richardson, Fulham was at least making an attempt to attack. Mitro was the target of several passes. Those passes that didn't carom off him, those he didn't handle, didn't get to him because he didn't react quickly enough. I'm sure it was his immobility and lack of aggression that caused Felix to shut up shop. Blaming that for his poor play may be comforting, but it's not accurate.
You have to wonder, however, why a club desperate for a new striker to hit the ground running, with only a limited number of games left before it's all too late, signed an expensive player who is injured and unfit. No matter how good he turns out to be in the last 8 or 9 games, we needed him to be good 2 weeks ago. Not a shot at him, but at the powers that signed him.
We desperately need a striker. I suspect that was behind the Dempsey move. When that failed what was the best available. they took a chance on Deuce and they took a chance on Mitroglou and they took a chance on Felix.
Third time is the charm? I should have posted this on the grasping at straws thread.
But Mitro isn't seriously injured or unfit is he?
Though it's always a gamble to bring someone in new to the Prem, when there's no time to adjust.
I remember Ruiz's first game - he was completely lost, and he never did adjust really. But Mitro is a strong bloke, and I think he will prosper in the Prem, but he will at least need a couple of games to get up to speed.
with Mitro's goal record, and with the belief we won't be relegated, he was a buy with an eye for the future and they likely believed he would be there for the last 8-10 matches if they knew he was injured, which they obviously did (likely why things bragged on those last couple of days). Even if we get relegated, he could be loaned out easily or sold for a good transfer fee with the length of his contract.
I would also assume, but could be wrong, he may have been the best option available given all of those considerations....short term, med term, long term, and financially. Young strikers with his goal record are what most teams are in constant need.
Quote from: RidgeRider on February 25, 2014, 01:53:26 AM
.... with the belief we won't be relegated.....
but that's my point. Why would we have been confident we won't be relegated? We got rid of Berba. We needed an immediate replacement, not a promising prospect for next season.
Quote from: Snibbo on February 25, 2014, 03:50:39 AM
Quote from: RidgeRider on February 25, 2014, 01:53:26 AM
.... with the belief we won't be relegated.....
but that's my point. Why would we have been confident we won't be relegated? We got rid of Berba. We needed an immediate replacement, not a promising prospect for next season.
that part I don't know. Based on reports, Rene had resolved himself to relegation, this may or may not have been true and might have added to the reasons to sack him. If they knew Magath was coming in before the window closed, perhaps they felt we needed this player for now and the future, or perhaps they didn't fully understand the extent of his injury or how long it would take to recover. He may still help keep us up, but your point does make you wonder what they were thinking.
Today Mitroglou will watch from TV the big game of his former team. And Saviola will be out too, due to injury :016:.
Yet, we hope for an intense game and a victory (I know it's very difficult but anything is possible)
Hopefully all Fulham fans will mentally support Olympiacos :021:
Quote from: pH7 on February 25, 2014, 04:16:58 PM
Today Mitroglou will watch from TV the big game of his former team. And Saviola will be out too, due to injury :016:.
Yet, we hope for an intense game and a victory (I know it's very difficult but anything is possible)
Hopefully all Fulham fans will mentally support Olympiacos :021:
It's not that difficult to get a result against United...
One thing's for sure, Moyes will be in big trouble if you do get one. So here's hoping.
Quote from: PokerMatt on February 25, 2014, 04:19:48 PM
Quote from: pH7 on February 25, 2014, 04:16:58 PM
Today Mitroglou will watch from TV the big game of his former team. And Saviola will be out too, due to injury :016:.
Yet, we hope for an intense game and a victory (I know it's very difficult but anything is possible)
Hopefully all Fulham fans will mentally support Olympiacos :021:
It's not that difficult to get a result against United...
One thing's for sure, Moyes will be in big trouble if you do get one. So here's hoping.
Well done so far Olymliacos, you're outplaying MU - I hope you go on and win.
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I support all English teams in Europe - even if there are zero English players playing - even Chelsea !
Damn it, we miss you so much atm mitroglou!
You could handle these tough cb's jsut fine, Q_Q.
Quote from: Mitroglol on February 25, 2014, 08:42:44 PM
Damn it, we miss you so much atm mitroglou!
You could handle these tough cb's jsut fine, Q_Q.
I reckon I could handle Rio these days.
hope he's better than Darren 'oops just missed another open goal' Bent and Hugo 'goalless' Rodallega but got a horrible feeling he isn't.
GOOOAAALLL! 2-0
Arsenal player scores lol.
Smalling is having a mare.
Always knew he was over rated!
Quote from: Admin on February 23, 2014, 11:06:18 PM
Quote from: Mitroglol on February 23, 2014, 10:52:35 PM
What exactly did you expect him to do with all 4 touches he had with the ball. Since it seems your team didn't want to cross the dreaded midfield line for some reason... or mby they couldn't.
Also I don't know if you have watched any fulham games but I wouldn't count on the whites scoring late winners anytime soon.
You paid 12m quid, for a guy that if he'd stayed to play CL knock outs with olympiacos and then the World Cup, a BPL bottom team wouldn't even dream of getting.
Frankly, some of you guys are just poor supporters, no other way to put it.
Anyway, I won't respond to other threads like this, don't want to seem like his apologist.
As much as you're welcome on here, please don't go around branding members as 'poor' supporters just because Mitrogolou has picked up a bit of criticism. People have opinions, they are entitled to them, but that doesn't make them poor fans by any stretch. If you're a real fan of Mitrogolou, try to defend his corner, put across your opinion, and put those right by being constructive, not insulting. Comparing your teams fortunes to Fulham's won't win you any fans either. 12 million quid or not, your boy Mitrogolou has a much bigger challenge trying to keep Fulham in the Premiership, rather than trying to keep Olympiacos afloat in the CL knock out stages.
Sorry Admin, i think telling him not to say people are poor supporters is taking it a bit far. He is entitled to his opinion... Recently i have noticed an incline in stricter and quite overbearing regulation by the Mods and i know I'm not on my own. I do not mind being called a poor supporter if i am, and appreciate the honesty and difference in opinion. Sometimes it is easy to think that because you care more, or think you do that you have all the answers and can't have your judgement questioned when it needs/should be. He hasn't offended me and I'm sure the amount who you are trying to protect are in the vast minority. These things need to be taken into consideration.
He has a point, the guy played a little amount of a game and had little of the ball, those criticising him are being unfair to the guy and are just looking for a scapegoat. Our team was bad against west brom and the service was poor, full stop. It's time the board was allowed to say things as it is and put the blame where it lies and not on players who have hardly had an opportunity to show what they are capable. It is starting to get ridiculous the amount of regulating going on with this site. Perhaps it is time some fresh mods were brought in to shake things up and some of the old ones stepped down. It is normal to have fresh blood in any type of organisation, and it is clear this is the case with this messageboard too.
Olymliakos are a quality side, with a great attitude. A well deserved win.
I see most people focus on that and it's my fault for not clarifying.
I didn't question the man's loyalty by calling him a poor supporter, he may as well bleed white instead of red.
Just wanted to say how uncalled for and poor his critique was.
And thanks for tonight's graceful comments guys, appreciate it, )).
Quote from: Mitroglol on February 25, 2014, 10:02:48 PM
I see most people focus on that and it's my fault for not clarifying.
I didn't question the man's loyalty by calling him a poor supporter, he may as well bleed white instead of red.
Just wanted to say how uncalled for and poor his critique was.
And thanks for tonight's graceful comments guys, appreciate it, )).
I for one appreciate your different slant on Mitroglou. I may not always agree with you but I accept that you know the player better than I do. I want nothing more than him to succeed at Fulham. Keep on posting!
Quote from: Mitroglol on February 25, 2014, 10:02:48 PM
I see most people focus on that and it's my fault for not clarifying.
I didn't question the man's loyalty by calling him a poor supporter, he may as well bleed white instead of red.
Just wanted to say how uncalled for and poor his critique was.
And thanks for tonight's graceful comments guys, appreciate it, )).
Don't worry , I think all Fulham fans are desperately unhappy at the moment.
Including [and specially] the mods.
Quote from: Jem on February 25, 2014, 10:11:20 PM
Quote from: Mitroglol on February 25, 2014, 10:02:48 PM
I see most people focus on that and it's my fault for not clarifying.
I didn't question the man's loyalty by calling him a poor supporter, he may as well bleed white instead of red.
Just wanted to say how uncalled for and poor his critique was.
And thanks for tonight's graceful comments guys, appreciate it, )).
I for one appreciate your different slant on Mitroglou. I may not always agree with you but I accept that you know the player better than I do. I want nothing more than him to succeed at Fulham. Keep on posting!
:plus one:
Contrast him to Jelavic at Hull...depressing
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Quote from: PokerMatt on February 25, 2014, 04:19:48 PM
Quote from: pH7 on February 25, 2014, 04:16:58 PM
Today Mitroglou will watch from TV the big game of his former team. And Saviola will be out too, due to injury :016:.
Yet, we hope for an intense game and a victory (I know it's very difficult but anything is possible)
Hopefully all Fulham fans will mentally support Olympiacos :021:
It's not that difficult to get a result against United...
One thing's for sure, Moyes will be in big trouble if you do get one. So here's hoping.
Half job done! Amazing result. Hopefully Moyes will be on the bench for the return game!
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You could certainly see to tonight why Rio Ferdinand tweeted his delight when Rene Meulensteen took Mitroglu to Fulham from Olympiakos.
--Phil McNulty (@philmcnulty)
Quote from: Mitroglol on February 23, 2014, 10:52:35 PM
What exactly did you expect him to do with all 4 touches he had with the ball. Since it seems your team didn't want to cross the dreaded midfield line for some reason... or mby they couldn't.
Also I don't know if you have watched any fulham games but I wouldn't count on the whites scoring late winners anytime soon.
You paid 12m quid, for a guy that if he'd stayed to play CL knock outs with olympiacos and then the World Cup, a BPL bottom team wouldn't even dream of getting.
Frankly, some of you guys are just poor supporters, no other way to put it.
Anyway, I won't respond to other threads like this, don't want to seem like his apologist.
Don't waste your time take Ruiz for example for two seasons he was second on goals and assists. But just for the fact that they paid 10 mill they felt as he had to be messi the second. So if I was you I will not be on this forum because you boy is about to become the new Fulham scapegoat.
