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Title: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: NJFulham on October 26, 2014, 03:54:03 PM
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Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: RidgeRider on October 26, 2014, 04:29:57 PM
Interesting. If true, let's hope Daly commits himself to the academy the way AM did.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: J.Perkins on October 26, 2014, 04:33:17 PM
Ali Mac has been a constant through out our downfall. I wouldn't lose any sleep if he left.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: bobbo on October 26, 2014, 05:04:32 PM
I know it's been said before but he must be in the region of 70% responsible for us going 10 years backwards. So I'm happy if it's true. With an owner , astute as he may well be in business he's unfamiliar with English football.So AM has to have made or strongly advised on the big decisions ie player purchases and manager appointments.speaks for itself I think
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: Lighthouse on October 26, 2014, 05:12:45 PM
Sorry but Ali Mac has been made a scapegoat. He was ignored by our new owner despite trying to intervene in some of the more stupid decisions. I was all for blaming Ali Mac but it sadly seems that our new owner decided to take advice from people outside the club and who knew little about the club or football.

We hope Khan has learned from HIS mistakes. But Ali Mac, it turns out was trying to be a sane voice in an insane club. I only hope without his voice Khan doesn't make more stupid decisions.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: Nero on October 26, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
Know it doesnt mean much but jol said on talksport recently that ali mac was one of the best in the game at what he does and getting players to sign. Its not his fault he wasnt allowed to spend money
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Post by: MJG on October 26, 2014, 05:48:42 PM
Or that he was given targets by managers that turned out to be the wrong type of players we needed.
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Post by: Berserker on October 26, 2014, 05:50:16 PM
Don't CEO's move jobs anyway after a few years. Maybe he wsnts to be a CEO of a Premier League club
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: valdeingruo on October 26, 2014, 07:03:19 PM
Good and bad, particularly if his large involment of bringing the current crop of youngsters in is to be believed.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: Southcoastffc on October 26, 2014, 07:04:57 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 26, 2014, 05:12:45 PM
Sorry but Ali Mac has been made a scapegoat. He was ignored by our new owner despite trying to intervene in some of the more stupid decisions. I was all for blaming Ali Mac but it sadly seems that our new owner decided to take advice from people outside the club and who knew little about the club or football.

We hope Khan has learned from HIS mistakes. But Ali Mac, it turns out was trying to be a sane voice in an insane club. I only hope without his voice Khan doesn't make more stupid decisions.
Just curious Lighthouse, not doubting what you say, but how do you know?
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: Baggins on October 26, 2014, 09:07:45 PM
If you listen to the Jol interview on talksport he says how he `advised` Fulham to get Magath...  fp.gif

http://talksport.com/football/interview-special-jol-tottenham-fulham-levy-comolli-bale-and-more-141011118378 (http://talksport.com/football/interview-special-jol-tottenham-fulham-levy-comolli-bale-and-more-141011118378)

If you play it around 38 minutes you will get to it
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: Whitesideup on October 26, 2014, 11:50:12 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on October 26, 2014, 07:04:57 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 26, 2014, 05:12:45 PM
Sorry but Ali Mac has been made a scapegoat. He was ignored by our new owner despite trying to intervene in some of the more stupid decisions. I was all for blaming Ali Mac but it sadly seems that our new owner decided to take advice from people outside the club and who knew little about the club or football.

We hope Khan has learned from HIS mistakes. But Ali Mac, it turns out was trying to be a sane voice in an insane club. I only hope without his voice Khan doesn't make more stupid decisions.
Just curious Lighthouse, not doubting what you say, but how do you know?
Also Ali Mac was the advocate for Felix. That was made clear at the time of the appointment. Is this untrue? It was the biggest mistake of all time - not hindsight, may of us stated this from day 1. Such a mistake merits the boot all on its own.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: Lighthouse on October 27, 2014, 12:08:10 AM
Quote from: Whitesideup on October 26, 2014, 11:50:12 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on October 26, 2014, 07:04:57 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 26, 2014, 05:12:45 PM
Sorry but Ali Mac has been made a scapegoat. He was ignored by our new owner despite trying to intervene in some of the more stupid decisions. I was all for blaming Ali Mac but it sadly seems that our new owner decided to take advice from people outside the club and who knew little about the club or football.

We hope Khan has learned from HIS mistakes. But Ali Mac, it turns out was trying to be a sane voice in an insane club. I only hope without his voice Khan doesn't make more stupid decisions.
Just curious Lighthouse, not doubting what you say, but how do you know?
Also Ali Mac was the advocate for Felix. That was made clear at the time of the appointment. Is this untrue? It was the biggest mistake of all time - not hindsight, may of us stated this from day 1. Such a mistake merits the boot all on its own.

Problem is it gets into 'he said, they said'. Where is the proof that Ali Mac was an advocate for Felix? That again flies in the face of what I see as the facts. I was very anti Ali Mac and blamed him as MD at the awful mistakes our club made. But it looks very much as if this isn't the case. We only need to look at the Greek signing to see how easy an owner and his son can ride rough shot over the MD. Felix was given control over all aspects of the club that sidelined our MD so how did the MD advocate Felix taking over? One day we may learn the truth. But our MD was not to blame for an owner who is happy to take advice from non football people and ignore that may have helped  us. 
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: NogoodBoyo on October 27, 2014, 12:31:19 AM
Sorry, Lighthouse, I still don't hear an answer as to how you know Ali Mac was not listened to by the owner.  And weren't you the one who coined the phrase that "he was the one constant throughout our last three disastrous management decisions?"
On the other hand, what I do recall is that Khan said he listened to and trusted Mac as his man on the ground.  Mac should have been fired ages ago.  His advice and his management decisions were terrible.
I do agree that the club needs to ensure the next CEO continues the development of youth.  And I'm still hoping that Huw Jennings be made Director of Football above Kit Symons.
Nogood "pack up your troubles in your old Kit bag, isit" Boyo
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: Lighthouse on October 27, 2014, 12:55:18 AM
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on October 27, 2014, 12:31:19 AM
Sorry, Lighthouse, I still don't hear an answer as to how you know Ali Mac was not listened to by the owner.  And weren't you the one who coined the phrase that "he was the one constant throughout our last three disastrous management decisions?"
On the other hand, what I do recall is that Khan said he listened to and trusted Mac as his man on the ground.  Mac should have been fired ages ago.  His advice and his management decisions were terrible.
I do agree that the club needs to ensure the next CEO continues the development of youth.  And I'm still hoping that Huw Jennings be made Director of Football above Kit Symons.
Nogood "pack up your troubles in your old Kit bag, isit" Boyo

I was the one that came up with that wonderful  comment and have already stated that I blamed the MD. However the decisions to allow Felix to take over many aspects including much of what the MD was doing means that the MD would have very little input in that. I have since learned from Horace Wellington the Third, that our owner  has taken advice from people outside football and the club. You say 'his advice and his decisions' were terrible. Where is the proof that his advice and decisions suddenly turned from making sense and being part of a well run club to being that of a mad man who seemed to have lost any understanding of how a club is run. Which oddly coincided with Khans arrival. Thus putting Horace and his insider knowledge together with the logic of the situation I have changed my original view. Ali Mac is innocent. Our owner and his advisers are not.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: Logicalman on October 27, 2014, 02:33:35 AM
The unfortunate truth is that Ali was praised by Khan in the February Press conference appointing Felix:: http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2014/february/14/magath-appointed (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2014/february/14/magath-appointed)

Statement from Shahid Khan

"I'm very happy to welcome Felix Magath to Fulham Football Club. Felix is an accomplished manager with multiple honours in the Bundesliga and a hunger to replicate his success with Fulham in the Barclays Premier League. I'm especially impressed with the reputation Felix has for coming into clubs at difficult times, often late in the season, and lifting them to their potential and beyond. Felix knows that is precisely the task awaiting him at Fulham, and he made it abundantly clear that he wants and is ready for the opportunity.

"Our Club has shown promise in recent matches, but the fact is we haven't won a league match since 1st January. Given our form, we can no longer merely hope that our fortunes will finally turn. And with 12 matches remaining and at least four points separating us from safety, we certainly can no longer post empty results. Action was required.

"Alistair Mackintosh did a wonderful job during the January transfer window to improve our Club. This week, Alistair recommended Felix, with his history of producing results for clubs with similar challenges as ours, as the new manager of Fulham. Alistair's recommendation received my complete approval and Felix has my unequivocal support."



Statement from Alistair Mackintosh

"The opportunity to bring in a manager with the experience of Felix Magath would typically be unlikely at this point in the season. However, Felix relishes this challenge. He's very impressed with our squad and commitment by Mr Khan, and his confidence is precisely what we need over these final three months of the season. I thank Mr Khan for his support and we're all looking forward to welcoming Felix to Fulham."




Ali served Fulham & MaF well since joining us from Citeh, and so to see the 'sudden' descent into chaos that engulfed the club in the last 18 months is just a little surprising if it was just down to one person.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: EJL on October 27, 2014, 03:18:57 AM
Daly's a Fulham fan, right?
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: the nutflush on October 27, 2014, 08:08:37 AM
Quote from: Nero on October 26, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
Know it doesnt mean much but jol said on talksport recently that ali mac was one of the best in the game at what he does and getting players to sign. Its not his fault he wasnt allowed to spend money

Rubbish. Ali Mac was responsible for bringing in Mitroglou.  He spent a bit there didn't he?
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: alfie on October 27, 2014, 08:27:55 AM
It's funny none of us are actually involved in any FFC meetings, decision making, who does what why and where, who is signed not signed and yet we pick a person and that person is responsible for everything, funny how we know this.


Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: Nero on October 27, 2014, 08:34:55 AM
Quote from: the nutflush on October 27, 2014, 08:08:37 AM
Quote from: Nero on October 26, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
Know it doesnt mean much but jol said on talksport recently that ali mac was one of the best in the game at what he does and getting players to sign. Its not his fault he wasnt allowed to spend money

Rubbish. Ali Mac was responsible for bringing in Mitroglou.  He spent a bit there didn't he?
Of course hes responsible thats his job but did he recommend him or was he told to get him. 11mill over 3 plus years in tbe premiership is not a lot of money. It was Mo lack of.spending getting ready to sell that has cost Fulham not ali mac who has carried out his bosses instructions. If he spent 40mill a sesaon would he still be in a job?
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: General on October 27, 2014, 08:36:17 AM
These are such knee jerk reactions - Ali Mac was at the club when Roy was appointed, when we got to the europa league final. He has also been in charge when we signed Magath who had best pedigree we've had as a manager, Jol who we were all excited about and Mark Hughes who despite his acrimonious departure was doing well for us. He also oversaw the development with Roy of our academy and for all intent and purpose the club for the most part was a very happy place loved by players. We also attracted the top british youth coaches and youth talent, which I am sure he would have been involved in too.

Be under no mistake - the main reason we plummeted was due to lack of investment and selling key players at the wrong time (the dempsey and Dembele escapade). That I put entirely on the restrictions put in place by MAF who was starting to look for a way out and recouping his money. We hardly spent any money under Al Fayed in the autumn of his ownership reign and the money we did spend was on old players past their prime.

Stop using Ali Mac as a scapegoat. It doesn't add up and you're blaming him because it's easier to blame someone who didn't have the impact Al Fayed had on this club, or that Khan (we hope) will have.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: shnlwswlkr on October 27, 2014, 08:42:24 AM
Quote from: General on October 27, 2014, 08:36:17 AM
These are such knee jerk reactions - Ali Mac was at the club when Roy was appointed, when we got to the europa league final. He has also been in charge when we signed Magath who had best pedigree we've had as a manager, Jol who we were all excited about and Mark Hughes who despite his acrimonious departure was doing well for us. He also oversaw the development with Roy of our academy and for all intent and purpose the club for the most part was a very happy place loved by players. We also attracted the top british youth coaches and youth talent, which I am sure he would have been involved in too.

Be under no mistake - the main reason we plummeted was due to lack of investment and selling key players at the wrong time (the dempsey and Dembele escapade). That I put entirely on the restrictions put in place by MAF who was starting to look for a way out and recouping his money. We hardly spent any money under Al Fayed in the autumn of his ownership reign and the money we did spend was on old players past their prime.

Stop using Ali Mac as a scapegoat. It doesn't add up and you're blaming him because it's easier to blame someone who didn't have the impact Al Fayed had on this club, or that Khan (we hope) will have.

HI5 brother. Spot on.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: the nutflush on October 27, 2014, 09:34:01 AM
Quote from: Nero on October 27, 2014, 08:34:55 AM
Quote from: the nutflush on October 27, 2014, 08:08:37 AM
Quote from: Nero on October 26, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
Know it doesnt mean much but jol said on talksport recently that ali mac was one of the best in the game at what he does and getting players to sign. Its not his fault he wasnt allowed to spend money

Rubbish. Ali Mac was responsible for bringing in Mitroglou.  He spent a bit there didn't he?
Of course hes responsible thats his job but did he recommend him or was he told to get him. 11mill over 3 plus years in tbe premiership is not a lot of money. It was Mo lack of.spending getting ready to sell that has cost Fulham not ali mac who has carried out his bosses instructions. If he spent 40mill a sesaon would he still be in a job?

To set the record straight Mitroglou came in under Meulensteens watch and Meulensteen himself stated that he never wanted to sign Mitroglou and he wasn't his choice. 
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: epsomraver on October 27, 2014, 09:40:26 AM
Quote from: alfie on October 27, 2014, 08:27:55 AM
It's funny none of us are actually involved in any FFC meetings, decision making, who does what why and where, who is signed not signed and yet we pick a person and that person is responsible for everything, funny how we know this.




Is that not what a CEO's job is then?
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Post by: Berserker on October 27, 2014, 09:44:27 AM
Funny about Mitroglou, absolutely nobody will take any responsibility for his signing. It's as if he just decided to turn up and sign his self.
On the topic in hand, sometimes it is just the time for the CEO to go. Our CEO has put his notice in, apparently headhunted by a bigger/better company. Mind you I do work for a sinking ship so I think it might be a case of rats leaving etc.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: Apprentice to the Maestro on October 27, 2014, 11:21:52 AM
Quote from: Berserker on October 27, 2014, 09:44:27 AM
Funny about Mitroglou, absolutely nobody will take any responsibility for his signing. It's as if he just decided to turn up and sign his self.
On the topic in hand, sometimes it is just the time for the CEO to go. Our CEO has put his notice in, apparently headhunted by a bigger/better company. Mind you I do work for a sinking ship so I think it might be a case of rats leaving etc.

Chelsea are looking for a new CEO. Mackintosh would be a prime candidate.
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Post by: Logicalman on October 27, 2014, 11:32:43 AM
Quote from: Berserker on October 27, 2014, 09:44:27 AM
Funny about Mitroglou, absolutely nobody will take any responsibility for his signing. It's as if he just decided to turn up and sign his self.
On the topic in hand, sometimes it is just the time for the CEO to go. Our CEO has put his notice in, apparently headhunted by a bigger/better company. Mind you I do work for a sinking ship so I think it might be a case of rats leaving etc.

Khan has already stated in a Press Release (see above) that the Jan Transfer window was all down to Mac. Not a mention of Rene anywhere. I guess that's as good as being thrown under the bus without Khan actually driving the thing himself - unless its true, of course, then Mac stood in front of the bus himself.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: b+w geezer on October 27, 2014, 11:59:35 AM
As shown above in this thread, Khan took elaborate care to publicly attribute the selection of Felix to Mackintosh. It didn't seem mysterious at the time why he did that and it doesn't now.

With Felix gone and seeming retrospectively worse by virtue of each fresh win under Symons, Mackintosh is fair game for hanging out to dry for that decision. Nothing else needs to come into it, though of course it may.
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Post by: Lighthouse on October 27, 2014, 12:02:12 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on October 27, 2014, 11:32:43 AM
Quote from: Berserker on October 27, 2014, 09:44:27 AM
Funny about Mitroglou, absolutely nobody will take any responsibility for his signing. It's as if he just decided to turn up and sign his self.
On the topic in hand, sometimes it is just the time for the CEO to go. Our CEO has put his notice in, apparently headhunted by a bigger/better company. Mind you I do work for a sinking ship so I think it might be a case of rats leaving etc.

Khan has already stated in a Press Release (see above) that the Jan Transfer window was all down to Mac. Not a mention of Rene anywhere. I guess that's as good as being thrown under the bus without Khan actually driving the thing himself - unless its true, of course, then Mac stood in front of the bus himself.

Hold on the MD is responsible for trying to get the best deal. If the MD is told to give a contract to a player because the owners son says the club must buy him. We can't blame the MD for the player. The same goes for suggested managers. Get me someone out of work and can run the club is not the same as the MD suggesting a manager off the top of his head. The MD can be blamed for stuff but not the owners whims.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: TonyGilroy on October 27, 2014, 12:39:41 PM
Quote from: b+w geezer on October 27, 2014, 11:59:35 AM
As shown above in this thread, Khan took elaborate care to publicly attribute the selection of Felix to Mackintosh. It didn't seem mysterious at the time why he did that and it doesn't now.

With Felix gone and seeming retrospectively worse by virtue of each fresh win under Symons, Mackintosh is fair game for hanging out to dry for that decision. Nothing else needs to come into it, though of course it may.


Giving the credit for a decision can soon lead to attributing the blame when the decision doesn't look so clever.

Khan is the boss and none of us is in a position to know what he's delegated to who but you'd have to think that just as underperforming (to put it very kindly) managers get sacked so would or will an underperforming CEO but actually only Khan knows how much blame it's fair to dump on AM.

I also think that most of the piss poor decisions that were taken looked better at the time than they turned out to be.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: ToodlesMcToot on October 27, 2014, 12:45:27 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 27, 2014, 12:08:10 AM
Quote from: Whitesideup on October 26, 2014, 11:50:12 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on October 26, 2014, 07:04:57 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 26, 2014, 05:12:45 PM
Sorry but Ali Mac has been made a scapegoat. He was ignored by our new owner despite trying to intervene in some of the more stupid decisions. I was all for blaming Ali Mac but it sadly seems that our new owner decided to take advice from people outside the club and who knew little about the club or football.

We hope Khan has learned from HIS mistakes. But Ali Mac, it turns out was trying to be a sane voice in an insane club. I only hope without his voice Khan doesn't make more stupid decisions.
Just curious Lighthouse, not doubting what you say, but how do you know?
Also Ali Mac was the advocate for Felix. That was made clear at the time of the appointment. Is this untrue? It was the biggest mistake of all time - not hindsight, may of us stated this from day 1. Such a mistake merits the boot all on its own.

Problem is it gets into 'he said, they said'. Where is the proof that Ali Mac was an advocate for Felix? That again flies in the face of what I see as the facts. I was very anti Ali Mac and blamed him as MD at the awful mistakes our club made. But it looks very much as if this isn't the case. We only need to look at the Greek signing to see how easy an owner and his son can ride rough shot over the MD. Felix was given control over all aspects of the club that sidelined our MD so how did the MD advocate Felix taking over? One day we may learn the truth. But our MD was not to blame for an owner who is happy to take advice from non football people and ignore that may have helped  us. 

How do we know that this is what actually happened? I've heard/read it stated as "truth". I've not heard or read how this information was verified.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: alfie on October 27, 2014, 12:47:49 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on October 27, 2014, 09:40:26 AM
Quote from: alfie on October 27, 2014, 08:27:55 AM
It's funny none of us are actually involved in any FFC meetings, decision making, who does what why and where, who is signed not signed and yet we pick a person and that person is responsible for everything, funny how we know this.




Is that not what a CEO's job is then?
You are absolutely correct, but under MAF only one person decides on anything and that was not AM, he was a spokesman with minimal power.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: TonyGilroy on October 27, 2014, 12:50:52 PM

When there's an owner a CEO's job is what the owner wants it to be. Anything is possible from sole decision maker to teaboy.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: MasterHaynes on October 27, 2014, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on October 27, 2014, 12:31:19 AM
Sorry, Lighthouse, I still don't hear an answer as to how you know Ali Mac was not listened to by the owner.  And weren't you the one who coined the phrase that "he was the one constant throughout our last three disastrous management decisions?"
On the other hand, what I do recall is that Khan said he listened to and trusted Mac as his man on the ground.  Mac should have been fired ages ago.  His advice and his management decisions were terrible.
I do agree that the club needs to ensure the next CEO continues the development of youth.  And I'm still hoping that Huw Jennings be made Director of Football above Kit Symons.
Nogood "pack up your troubles in your old Kit bag, isit" Boyo
:plus one:
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: Jack Fulham on October 27, 2014, 01:12:14 PM
Mackintosh under MAF = We enjoyed our best years as a club in Prem

Mackintosh under Khan = Our worst year in the Prem

Something tells me there was a slight change in responsibilities. New owners of any businesses like to make their mark.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: RidgeRider on October 27, 2014, 02:53:14 PM
Quote from: Jack Fulham on October 27, 2014, 01:12:14 PM
Mackintosh under MAF = We enjoyed our best years as a club in Prem

Mackintosh under Khan = Our worst year in the Prem

Something tells me there was a slight change in responsibilities. New owners of any businesses like to make their mark.

The only problem with this model is the decline of our club's performances, and the revolving door of managers, started under MAF. Roy left, because he knew he took us as far as he could, he stated that publicly and it was code for "MAF isn't investing anymore money". He left with MAF as owner. Hughes left under MAF, essentially stating our club had no ambition. MAF hired Jol.  Did well with the team  Hughes left him and then starting changing and we declined. The two D's left and we were never the same. Khan has been saddled with fixing what was left. He hasn't made all the right decisions, but he has spend money.

I don't think our problems are all on AM either, which I think was your point, so I agree with you....but while Khan has made some mistakes, he has been in the position of cleaning up the mess, a mess I am not sure he expected or was aware of, when he purchased the club.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: Lighthouse on October 27, 2014, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on October 27, 2014, 12:45:27 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 27, 2014, 12:08:10 AM
Quote from: Whitesideup on October 26, 2014, 11:50:12 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on October 26, 2014, 07:04:57 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 26, 2014, 05:12:45 PM
Sorry but Ali Mac has been made a scapegoat. He was ignored by our new owner despite trying to intervene in some of the more stupid decisions. I was all for blaming Ali Mac but it sadly seems that our new owner decided to take advice from people outside the club and who knew little about the club or football.

We hope Khan has learned from HIS mistakes. But Ali Mac, it turns out was trying to be a sane voice in an insane club. I only hope without his voice Khan doesn't make more stupid decisions.
Just curious Lighthouse, not doubting what you say, but how do you know?
Also Ali Mac was the advocate for Felix. That was made clear at the time of the appointment. Is this untrue? It was the biggest mistake of all time - not hindsight, may of us stated this from day 1. Such a mistake merits the boot all on its own.

Problem is it gets into 'he said, they said'. Where is the proof that Ali Mac was an advocate for Felix? That again flies in the face of what I see as the facts. I was very anti Ali Mac and blamed him as MD at the awful mistakes our club made. But it looks very much as if this isn't the case. We only need to look at the Greek signing to see how easy an owner and his son can ride rough shot over the MD. Felix was given control over all aspects of the club that sidelined our MD so how did the MD advocate Felix taking over? One day we may learn the truth. But our MD was not to blame for an owner who is happy to take advice from non football people and ignore that may have helped  us. 

How do we know that this is what actually happened? I've heard/read it stated as "truth". I've not heard or read how this information was verified.

This goes back to what I said before. This is becoming he said, they said. If something doesn't fit our prejudices we insist on evidence. Where is the evidence on anything? We read what we read and hear what we hear. If people don't like it than they can ignore it. People choose to blame everything on the MD, as I did but have since heard otherwise. I have not gone to a court of law or indeed a solicitor. I am not going to bother to name sources and I am not going to troll back through press releases. In all honestly the club has been so badly run of late it is easy to blame one man when the blame is wider. That really is all I am saying.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: The Enclosurite on October 27, 2014, 04:26:10 PM
Regardless of who is to blame for recent failures I believe a new CEO with a fresh vision for the club can only be a good thing to take us into a new, hopefully successful, era.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: Me-ate-Live, innit?? on October 27, 2014, 06:01:12 PM
Quote from: J.Perkins on October 26, 2014, 04:33:17 PM
Ali Mac has been a constant through out our downfall. I wouldn't lose any sleep if he left.

WE HAVE SHORT MEMORIES.
A M   was also a constant in the shaping of the Academy  and a constant  during the Roy years and Sparky year.
HE JUST  DID NOT KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH JOL ............................. BUT THEN NONE OF US DID
....................the swine   090.gif
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: Apprentice to the Maestro on October 27, 2014, 06:27:21 PM
Quote from: The Enclosurite on October 27, 2014, 04:26:10 PM
Regardless of who is to blame for recent failures I believe a new CEO with a fresh vision for the club can only be a good thing to take us into a new, hopefully successful, era.

Wrong.

Mackintosh, it is genarally agreed within the business, is one of the best CEOs around. So much is going right about the club. The u21s, u18s and now the u16s, who have just won a competition, are all at the top level in their categories. We also have the Riverside development in hand.

What we need is the new owner to settle in and to pick a first team manager with a philosophy suited to Fulham who will be with us for the medium to long term. Kit should get the job.

What we need is continuity not more change just for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: glenhodgso on October 27, 2014, 06:59:08 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on October 27, 2014, 06:27:21 PM
Quote from: The Enclosurite on October 27, 2014, 04:26:10 PM
Regardless of who is to blame for recent failures I believe a new CEO with a fresh vision for the club can only be a good thing to take us into a new, hopefully successful, era.

Wrong.

Mackintosh, it is genarally agreed within the business, is one of the best CEOs around. So much is going right about the club. The u21s, u18s and now the u16s, who have just won a competition, are all at the top level in their categories. We also have the Riverside development in hand.

What we need is the new owner to settle in and to pick a first team manager with a philosophy suited to Fulham who will be with us for the medium to long term. Kit should get the job.

What we need is continuity not more change just for the sake of it.

:plus one:

AM has, on balance, been a wonderfully positive influence on the club - it was a great coup for us to get him, he was hugely liked and respected at Man City, and worked well with both Roy and Hughes. At the time of his appointment Jol was generally regarded as a great catch, and Felix had the credentials, and the right idea in promoting the youth, but not the ability to listen.

I know nothing about David Daly, save what has been written when he was appointed to "the committee", however, he has never run a football club, and his qualifications appear to be being a football fan and director of sales and club activity at Nike.  I am sure he is a lovely bloke, but I am a Fulham Fan, have been a sales director, but you wouldn't want me running the club...
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: LBNo11 on October 27, 2014, 07:18:36 PM
Quote from: General on October 27, 2014, 08:36:17 AM
These are such knee jerk reactions - Ali Mac was at the club when Roy was appointed, when we got to the europa league final. He has also been in charge when we signed Magath who had best pedigree we've had as a manager, Jol who we were all excited about and Mark Hughes who despite his acrimonious departure was doing well for us. He also oversaw the development with Roy of our academy and for all intent and purpose the club for the most part was a very happy place loved by players. We also attracted the top british youth coaches and youth talent, which I am sure he would have been involved in too.

Be under no mistake - the main reason we plummeted was due to lack of investment and selling key players at the wrong time (the dempsey and Dembele escapade). That I put entirely on the restrictions put in place by MAF who was starting to look for a way out and recouping his money. We hardly spent any money under Al Fayed in the autumn of his ownership reign and the money we did spend was on old players past their prime.

Stop using Ali Mac as a scapegoat. It doesn't add up and you're blaming him because it's easier to blame someone who didn't have the impact Al Fayed had on this club, or that Khan (we hope) will have.

...from what I understand this is pretty much how it was. Also from what I understand the appointment of Mitroglou was nothing to do with our CEO. Yes, AM was instrumental in the appointment of Herr Quark, but it was done based on the reputation he had for turning things around for teams close to being relegated. Yes it was a disaster, but the appointment was made with good intentions and not with malicious intent, and let's face it, we were in such a state after Jol, who could we have attracted to turn things around?

That said, I am in favour of having an experienced director of football appointed at the club, so that all the decision making is not down to one man, and agreements and disagreements can be aired. Up until recently some of Shahid Khan's advisors, with virtually no football knowledge have been involved with decision making on various aspects, based on US business models. This is done with AM's knowledge but not instigated by him.

To attach the blame to AM for everything that has gone wrong whilst the previous owner was running things down with the sale of of Dempsey and Dembele (and the club shop on the Fulham Road) being approved by MAF is unfair - you didn't argue with MAF.

Rumours are that Magath had the ear of Khan and AM was somewhat sidelined in what was happening during his tenure, so is that AM's fault?

The bottom line is that AM is a numbers man, a very good bean counter, and also someone who has been instrumental in appointing the people to lay the foundations for the youth and academy that has served us well of late, and will hopefully do so in the future. AM has been able to make the figures balance, the club sustainable and save the owners money, and that is why he was appointed by one billionaire and will remain employed by another billionaire.


http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=43328.0 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=43328.0)

Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: Putney on October 27, 2014, 07:51:12 PM
Who at the club is behind the scouting network and player suggestions/acquisitions?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: MJG on October 27, 2014, 08:06:26 PM
Quote from: Putney on October 27, 2014, 07:51:12 PM
Who at the club is behind the scouting network and player suggestions/acquisitions?
Brian Talbot has taken over most of the work Barry Simmonds was doing. But don't think that position is officially his yet.
Title: Re: Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In
Post by: b+w geezer on October 27, 2014, 08:43:11 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on October 27, 2014, 07:18:36 PM
The bottom line is that AM is a numbers man, a very good bean counter, and also someone who has been instrumental in appointing the people to lay the foundations for the youth and academy that has served us well of late....AM has been able to make the figures balance, the club sustainable and save the owners money,
Prior to that quote you make an eloquent defence.  The counter-argument is that if you have the title of CEO but circumstances don't enable you to perform that job, then it's you who should be voting with your feet.  If the Director of Football route is in fact taken, as you advocate, then that would in future encompass the making-appointments aspect of what I've quoted from you, while the bean counting part sounds like the task of the (pre-existing). Financial Director.  The remit for Ali Mac's successor is then downgraded.