They took 2500 fans up to Aberdeen yesterday, while the minutes silence
was being observed by the Home fans,they were singing songs about Bobby Sands
and throwing objects at the Aberdeen fans...And to think some want them to join
our league down here, no thanks..
One good thing was they apparently got their just rewards for their behavior.
Aberdeens notorious casuals ambushed them after the game and put a few of them in
the Out Patients at the hospital. .
Disgrace. I am from Glasgow and have no time for either team. Went to a derby game once, dreadful experience. The bigotry and hatred is beyond belief.
Quote from: jarv on November 10, 2014, 02:40:26 PM
Disgrace. I am from Glasgow and have no time for either team. Went to a derby game once, dreadful experience. The bigotry and hatred is beyond belief.
Nothing wrong witb Glasgow, ive visited a couple of times lovely city.
These idiots come from all over UK and Ireland..
Whoever disrespected our veterans should be ashamed. I think a lot of them where from brave Scottish regiments. Whoever hurt them after the game should be ashamed.
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on November 10, 2014, 03:01:58 PM
Whoever disrespected our veterans should be ashamed. I think a lot of them where from brave Scottish regiments. Whoever hurt them after the game should be ashamed.
It was tbe Celtic fans who got hurt for their disrespectul behavior.
Funny that some people take exception to imperialist brutality.
Quote from: Putney on November 10, 2014, 04:03:14 PM
Funny that some people take exception to imperialist brutality.
And your point is?
Celtic for the English leagues, no chance
Quote from: epsomraver on November 10, 2014, 04:58:08 PM
Quote from: Putney on November 10, 2014, 04:03:14 PM
Funny that some people take exception to imperialist brutality.
And your point is?
I was thinking the same..What is his point?
M 'n T, sorry, I didn't mean there was anything wrong with Glasgow, just the 2 main teams and supporters. I get back there almost every year. Often used to go to Hampden for internationals. Funny thing is, the Scots national team supporters behave superbly and are welcome almost everywhere.
A Scottish friend of mine posted on Facebook that McLean (Wigan) refused to wear a Poppy
on his shirt
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on November 10, 2014, 06:05:01 PM
A Scottish friend of mine posted on Facebook that McLean (Wigan) refused to wear a Poppy
on his shirt
Thats his perogative I believe, as long as he doesnt disrespect how others
feel..
What the Celtic fans did was a disgrace their manager has come out
and lambasted them for it...No wonder the Aberdeen fans went looking
for them after the match..
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on November 10, 2014, 06:05:01 PM
A Scottish friend of mine posted on Facebook that McLean (Wigan) refused to wear a Poppy
on his shirt
To be fair to McClean, he wrote an open letter to David Whelan explaining why he felt he couldn't wear one, and having read the letter, I thought it was very well put and respectful. It's published on the official Wigan site if anyone is curious.
A minute's silence is easy to spoil, it only takes half a dozen idiots to disrupt the moment. The vast majority of Celtic fans respected the remembrance gesture. As for Mclean he is probably one of the few players who thought seriously about the poppy tribute. He decided not to wear one on his shirt, he gave a full explanation, as Chesh has pointed out, and his choice should surely be respected.
Quote from: Chesh on November 10, 2014, 06:31:06 PM
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on November 10, 2014, 06:05:01 PM
A Scottish friend of mine posted on Facebook that McLean (Wigan) refused to wear a Poppy
on his shirt
To be fair to McClean, he wrote an open letter to David Whelan explaining why he felt he couldn't wear one, and having read the letter, I thought it was very well put and respectful. It's published on the official Wigan site if anyone is curious.
Exactly, people's beliefs differ and he respects those who observe what the poppy means. Huge difference between him and his reasons and the Celtic fans. Scrotes.
Celtic were the only side in the country not to have poppies
On their shirts...
Quote from: Chesh on November 10, 2014, 06:31:06 PM
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on November 10, 2014, 06:05:01 PM
A Scottish friend of mine posted on Facebook that McLean (Wigan) refused to wear a Poppy
on his shirt
To be fair to McClean, he wrote an open letter to David Whelan explaining why he felt he couldn't wear one, and having read the letter, I thought it was very well put and respectful. It's published on the official Wigan site if anyone is curious.
I just read it and completely understand his point of view.
When living in London last year I had a huge debate over this issue (same time of course). He (also Irish) refused to observe the minutes silence at work and instead went to the toilet. I thought he was being a hypocritical x y and z, he was working and living in the UK after all.
My argument was that there were many Irish who fought for Britain during the 1st world war especially, there's a memorial in our town and that he was just being your average moronic 'hate the queen' and all things British, Irishman. (A 19 year old caused havoc recently because he wouldn't fold a pair of union jack boxers in a shop in Dublin - yes there are people in Ireland who are that narrow minded. I say that because he has most likely not been impacted in anyway by historical events and probably has received very little education on the history)
Having read McClean's letter I have to say I agree with his decision, now that I know it's celebration does not include Irish soldiers who fought for the British in ww1 and instead celebrates brave men of other campaigns.
On the matter of Celtic, if you understand the history of the club and really understand it and what it represents, who its founders were, who its supporters were and are then you would surely understand why the club could NOT wear the poppy.
I was heartened to see the Cowboys and Jaguars NFL players all wearing the red poppy veterans remembrance pins. A lot of Americans and Canadians died in those same trenches. Whatever your political stripe, death for country deserves respect. The more often people stop to think about the loss of so many the more likely, hopefully, their leadership will hesitate before rushing into another military confrontation. I lost an uncle in WWII in Europe. But maybe it's all a pipe dream. Bush's people ginned up an invasion of Iraq with hand picked and sometimes cooked up 'evidence' purporting to prove weapons of mass destruction in existence and being constructed, ignoring or shouting down evidence to the contrary. I think that's a fact beyond reasonable dispute at this point, regardless of political persuasion. So maybe such remembrances will serve to give everyone future pause about the real life consequences of rushing in with half-baked facts.
Quote from: Putney on November 10, 2014, 04:03:14 PM
Funny that some people take exception to imperialist brutality.
Yes, what actually IS your point please?
Good letter and reasons for not wishing to wear the poppy are clearly stated. I would, however, say that unless people are willing to let some things pass into history, then there is little hope for anything. He wants his daughter to grow up in a peaceful world, but perhaps she will have some preconceived ideas following her fathers stance. I speak from personal experience, a lad I grew up with, whom I respected and considered like an older brother was a British Soldier killed in the troubles. For so very long I hated all Irish people for just that one life, but as time has passed, I have come to understand it was the same for both 'sides' of the troubles, many people died for what they either believed in for, as in the case of my mate, for doing the bidding of their political masters, and I cannot disrespect all Irish just because of the actions of a few. James can have is opinion, but as much as he believes he is right, there are others that can believe he is wrong.
Letting some things pass into history and personally commemorating those who were killed in the troubles is a different thing altogether and should she not grow up with 'preconceived ideas' histories of her family's life?
Are you implying or stating that he is wrong or just stating people are entitled to believe he is wrong?
Anyway, things like this have no place on a football forum. That is the real shame of this whole incident as I'm sure its cropped up in many more.
Quote from: Irelands_number1 on November 11, 2014, 02:19:09 AM
Letting some things pass into history and personally commemorating those who were killed in the troubles is a different thing altogether and should she not grow up with 'preconceived ideas' histories of her family's life?
Are you implying or stating that he is wrong or just stating people are entitled to believe he is wrong?
Anyway, things like this have no place on a football forum. That is the real shame of this whole incident as I'm sure its cropped up in many more.
Then perhaps you shouldn't have commented or asked questions of others in either reply.
Quote from: Irelands_number1 on November 11, 2014, 02:19:09 AM
Letting some things pass into history and personally commemorating those who were killed in the troubles is a different thing altogether and should she not grow up with 'preconceived ideas' histories of her family's life?
Are you implying or stating that he is wrong or just stating people are entitled to believe he is wrong?
Anyway, things like this have no place on a football forum. That is the real shame of this whole incident as I'm sure its cropped up in many more.
Yes its a football forum and its yourself who has turned it political.
My original post was about the Celtic fans disgusting behavior as the
minutes silence was being observed. .
I've never understood this type of 'in your face' fan. Often, when the US plays one of the CONCACAF Hispanic teams either here or in their country, the US National Anthem is booed. We yanks don't do it to them. The worst are the resident immigrants who enjoy the largeness of this county but hate us non the less. I know that England and Ireland have a troubled history but that is no reason to treat a fallen soldier with disrespect.
Quote from: YankeeJim on November 11, 2014, 07:17:03 PM
I've never understood this type of 'in your face' fan. Often, when the US plays one of the CONCACAF Hispanic teams either here or in their country, the US National Anthem is booed. We yanks don't do it to them. The worst are the resident immigrants who enjoy the largeness of this county but hate us non the less. I know that England and Ireland have a troubled history but that is no reason to treat a fallen soldier with disrespect.
Agree completely Jim. The funny part for me is the whole "Respect" thing that FIFA is promoting. Guess that isn't meant for the fans. It's fine if you don't want to wear a poppy or like another country, but show some respect for those that do.
A little more tolerance would go along way in this world.
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