Who would agree it would be fitting for Mr Khan to commission a new crest, I have never liked the new/current one as in my opinion it lacks character and is at best a bit meh, I'd be very much in favour of going back to the one used in the 70's cup final, maybe with a slight evolution, as I believe there is a problem with the licensing of the former crest as the Fuham and Hammersmith council significantly upped the fees for its usage, and Al frayed told them where to stick it?! Apologies if this has already been discussed, though with the recent seeming power of the fans over decisions at the club, perhaps if enough are in favour there could be a petition and design Comp.
I think we should vote for our favourite passed badge and whatever wins should be stuck to. We have had some great badges and although our current is what I inherited I much prefer the oldies. We have the ground, oldest team in London so let's embrace our history.
I would not be opposed to it. I'm not a fan of the new crest but it could be worse. At least we're not Wolves, Bolton, Forest, Birminham, Bournemouth or MK Dons.
I actually like the original one from 1898 the most.
Got to say i for one wasn't a fan of the new crest to begin with .Having said that it's grown on me to the extent that i actually really like it.So i would say lets keep it.Apparently it's one of the most easily recognized crests in the leauge.
Sorry league.
Ray Hudson thinks we should change it back too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKQWadlYYDU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKQWadlYYDU)
Quote from: Mokes on December 17, 2014, 03:53:12 AM
Ray Hudson thinks we should change it back too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKQWadlYYDU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKQWadlYYDU)
Totally agree,horrible same as this seasons strip..
I don't think that we should change it for another new one. If we were to change it should be a reversion to an old design but, having said that, I quite like the new one. Hate this year's twee kit though.
I like the current badge and i like the current kit, so a no from me
We'll sure change our red with orange if this nonsense continues.
I like the new one but it's what I'm used to. I just feel it makes us recognisable. The FFC is so bold that anyone who knows football will know it's Fulham straight away. Other than Fleetwood we are the only football league club beginning with F.
I know that's a silly reason to like it but how many times do you walk down the street and see somone in a football top and need to be right close to recognise the badge? From a distance all badges look quite similar or unclear but ours is easy on the eye.
Wouldn't have a problem with going to an older badge again but I prefer the current one
The old 'FFC' is about as clear as it gets though..
Personally I prefer the new badge
You are right, this subject has been discussed many times, particularly when the current badge was first introduced. In my opinion, the current badge is fine. I have always held that view, though many hated it and whilst more people have got used to it, there are still some who still dislike it.
To me, the badge on the shirt comes second to the player wearing it. Also, this badge is now easily recognisable and most people now know whose badge it is.
For me it's a no, not because I'm going against the grain, but because this crest/badge is a big part of our footballing history now, which was mainly a successful one. To me, this crest/badge shows 13 years of Premiership football, some very good Fayed years, a great escape, Europa Cup final, and mainly what Fayed did for Fulham FC. We wouldn't be where we are today without him, so I think it should be left. If it was a badge that we had for say just 4-5 years without any significance, then yes, I'd agree to change it.
I'm ok with the current badge and would prefer we stick with it. But given we have had it for a decade now I would expect a re branding in the next couple of years...so hold back on the tattoo's
I always think that clubs in general miss a trick with things like this. Involve the supporters; the club can still say, for example, that the design has to feature 'FFC', but if the fans feel they've had a say it stops all the arguments and is an easy way to make everyone feel part of things. I can see the advantages of the 'new' badge, I just feel it could stand some improvements. It doesn't feel... I don't want to say 'Fulhamish' but it's what I mean.
I still have the same view as I did when I first saw the badge 13 years ago, ditch it and use a historical one instead.
Quote from: Two Ton Ted on December 17, 2014, 10:28:15 AM
I still have the same view as I did when I first saw the badge 13 years ago, ditch it and use a historical one instead.
Someone would have said that every time a new badge came along...except for the first one
I really like the current badge, it's slick as John Travolta's hair in Grease. I don't like the one that I think people will most talk about, the 1995-2001 one, why is it so bloody blue? With it's blue, white and hints of red, it genuinely looks like a QPR badge; but in black and white, I imagine it looks no where near as interesting.
We've done excellently well I feel with the colours we've been given; and you'd have to hire some world class graphic designer to show me that we can do better.
I think that the old badge could not be marketed as it was own by the council could be wrong
Quote from: Two Ton Ted on December 17, 2014, 10:28:15 AM
I still have the same view as I did when I first saw the badge 13 years ago, ditch it and use a historical one instead.
Agreed. It too much resembles a swastika for my taste. Bring back the Fulham Crest!
Quote from: 18stepsup on December 17, 2014, 11:21:54 AM
I think that the old badge could not be marketed as it was own by the council could be wrong
That was disprove as a lie year's back. We had a copyright on the old badge.
It was based on the crest of the old Fulham Metropolitan Borough, which doesn't exist anymore.
Quote from: FPT on December 17, 2014, 10:56:25 AM
I really like the current badge, it's slick as John Travolta's hair in Grease. I don't like the one that I think people will most talk about, the 1995-2001 one, why is it so bloody blue? With it's blue, white and hints of red, it genuinely looks like a QPR badge; but in black and white, I imagine it looks no where near as interesting.
We've done excellently well I feel with the colours we've been given; and you'd have to hire some world class graphic designer to show me that we can do better.
The blue represents the River Thames, which I suppose you could change to a sort of muddy brown nowadays.
The current badge was designed by our then Marketing Manager, some claimed it was but her 7 year old son.
Quote from: Two Ton Ted on December 17, 2014, 11:41:51 AM
Quote from: 18stepsup on December 17, 2014, 11:21:54 AM
I think that the old badge could not be marketed as it was own by the council could be wrong
That was disprove as a lie year's back. We had a copyright on the old badge.
It was based on the crest of the old Fulham Metropolitan Borough, which doesn't exist anymore.
True that. The Metropolitan Borough become the London Borough of Hammersmith in 1965 under the Mayorship of my very own grandfather.
This has been discussed on several occasions. We had some great past badges. All of which are better than the current one.
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/the_badge.php (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/the_badge.php)
Quote from: St Eve on December 17, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
This has been discussed on several occasions. We had some great past badges. All of which are better than the current one.
Disagree on that, I think the circular badge in the early 80's was truly terrible.
For me, the 1995 incarnation of the badge beats all others hands down. Embroidered and multi-coloured, it was a sign of quality in the strip.
I think my attitude to this over time has changed...
At the time it was a real "wtf" moment (if I can use such a term). "Why change? I like the crest. And who the hell came up with the design for the new one?"
Now however I have got used to it and (like it or not) we are instantly recognizable through it and a significant proportion of our fan base has probably grown up with it.
Quote from: Two Ton Ted on December 17, 2014, 10:28:15 AM
I still have the same view as I did when I first saw the badge 13 years ago, ditch it and use a historical one instead.
We have had a few so which historical one would you like to use?
Quote from: alfie on December 17, 2014, 12:38:54 PM
Quote from: Two Ton Ted on December 17, 2014, 10:28:15 AM
I still have the same view as I did when I first saw the badge 13 years ago, ditch it and use a historical one instead.
We have had a few so which historical one would you like to use?
Personally any variation on the Fulham Borough crest.
Quote from: SouthWest6 on December 17, 2014, 09:36:35 AM
For me it's a no, not because I'm going against the grain, but because this crest/badge is a big part of our footballing history now, which was mainly a successful one. To me, this crest/badge shows 13 years of Premiership football, some very good Fayed years, a great escape, Europa Cup final, and mainly what Fayed did for Fulham FC. We wouldn't be where we are today without him, so I think it should be left. If it was a badge that we had for say just 4-5 years without any significance, then yes, I'd agree to change it.
You make a good point there SW6!
Quote from: Skatzoffc on December 17, 2014, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: SouthWest6 on December 17, 2014, 09:36:35 AM
For me it's a no, not because I'm going against the grain, but because this crest/badge is a big part of our footballing history now, which was mainly a successful one. To me, this crest/badge shows 13 years of Premiership football, some very good Fayed years, a great escape, Europa Cup final, and mainly what Fayed did for Fulham FC. We wouldn't be where we are today without him, so I think it should be left. If it was a badge that we had for say just 4-5 years without any significance, then yes, I'd agree to change it.
You make a good point there SW6!
Yes definately a good point, I suppose I have always preferred the old badge, but as you said the players and teams associated with the current one are a special time and will always have that assosiation, so to change it now would probably bring about at least the same amount of animosity among fans as the last time... Hmmm I think you've changed my mind!
Our current badge is vulgar beyond belief, and does indeed resemble half a swastika. Great as chairman Mo was for us, I don't think he had/has particularly good taste, as the Jacko statue indicates.
I am all for a new chairman/new badge combo and would vote for the 1995/2001 vintage, which after all was also a part of our very successful time.
Quote from: SouthWest6 on December 17, 2014, 09:36:35 AM
For me it's a no, not because I'm going against the grain, but because this crest/badge is a big part of our footballing history now, which was mainly a successful one. To me, this crest/badge shows 13 years of Premiership football, some very good Fayed years, a great escape, Europa Cup final, and mainly what Fayed did for Fulham FC. We wouldn't be where we are today without him, so I think it should be left. If it was a badge that we had for say just 4-5 years without any significance, then yes, I'd agree to change it.
Someone buy that gentleman a drink!!!! I couldn't have put it any better myself and I can't really see how anyone can argue against that point.
Well played and I agree 100 percent
For Equalizer and Adi, did you know that despite the swastika's 1930s association with fascism, it actually back thousands of years and has been used as a symbol of good fortune in almost every culture in the world?
There is a badge that someone uses for thier avatar pic on FoF (J.Perkins I think), it's got the JH side roof sign at the top grey and black stripes with crossed swords and a banner at the bottom that reads fulham FC. I don't think it is a previous badge but I love it.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on December 17, 2014, 03:04:17 PM
For Equalizer and Adi, did you know that despite the swastika's 1930s association with fascism, it actually back thousands of years and has been used as a symbol of good fortune in almost every culture in the world?
They make a nice joke about that in the film "Iron Sky". A Nazi flying saucer takes off from the moon (bear with me here if you haven't seen the film) and the diplomats at the UN turn on the Indian ambassador and accuse his country of being responsible as he is wearing a ring with a swastika on it. He explains it is an ancient symbol of good fortune, and the UFO is nothing to do with him.
As with anything, it is in the eye of the beholder. If you are determined to see a resemblance with the swastika in our badge, you will. I look at it and see our current badge, no more, no less. As has been pointed out, it is now associated with our most successful era ever, so I doubt if a return to the older badges are on the cards anyway, and a new design of something radically different will only go and divide opinions yet again, with some demanding the current design back.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
I worked for NatWest at the time of the merger between Westminster Bank and National Provincial Bank, they created the now we'll known NatWest symbol, described by a lot at the time, of three maggots chasing each other. However, just like Fulham Badge, everyone knows what it is, which in my opinion, is a good thing.
I can't see that it looks like a swastika at all, perhaps the association comes from the colours - black, white and red - which just happen to look smart. We can't embargo colours indefinitely just because someone else rather unpleasant happened to like the combination as well.
Quote from: Peabody on December 17, 2014, 04:06:47 PM
I worked for NatWest at the time of the merger between Westminster Bank and National Provincial Bank, they created the now we'll known NatWest symbol, described by a lot at the time, of three maggots chasing each other. However, just like Fulham Badge, everyone knows what it is, which in my opinion, is a good thing.
A friend worked for BT whose first symbol was the T with two dots (a bit like 7") then they changed it to that character blowing his horn. My mate reckoned that they'd changed from the "7-inch club" to the "p**f with the trumpet".
Lol swastika..... I've heard some things on here but that takes the biscuit. Now its been mentioned it could be seen that way but if I grew a tiny moustache I could look like Hitler.
We can't live our lives looking to find something that isn't there, the badge says FFC and I wouldn't have even contemplated comparing it to that. If that was an issue then I've got a very strong feeling this thread wouldn't be the first time I'd heard it in 14 years.
I hope we keep the badge, like Peabody said it's recognisable. Like it or not it's part of our identity now, I think the blend of the cottage remaining forever will always be our connection to our history and our soul but the badge is our connection to the new era and what a special era it was.
I don't want to forget the past 14 years just like that and to be fair al fayed had 2 promotions in 4 years before having the audacity to change the badge. Khan has a long way to go before he starts messing around with badges etc....
I personally think the old badges are horrible, I would suffer them because it's our history and id rather that than a brand new probably American style (no offence intended, nothing wrong with the american style but its not fulham) commercialised badge but I think the current badge is both the nicest and the most recognisable
I like the new one. My favourite.
If it had to be changed, I'd rather it be the old one before the new one.
If we get a new one it should have a big jaguar for Jacksonville, but I'd prefer a car than the animal. Don't want to get lumped into a "Hull Tigers" thing.
The Badge must stay, instantly recognisable and above all a testament to the Clubs best years. Few club badges have such visual impact.
The present badge is, as said, simple and recognisable, I don't have a problem with it - have come to quite like it.
Yes, the old badges make you feel nostalgic, and will always be there in our memories, but the present one seems modern, and of the times - creating an easily recognisable brand for commercial purposes.
...many of the old badges depicted the history of the region, the latest one shows nothing about where the club was born.
As mentioned many times I don't like it, never will, it may be recognisable to the new generation of fans as they grew up with it, but I recognised the older badges, and if people who supported other teams didn't - so what?
Anyway, each time this topic crops up there are still some who prefer the previous badges, and for me the marketing department, as ever, are missing out on selling items with the older badges on, to those like me who won't buy anything with the new badge on (anything I have with the latest logo on has been bought as presents for me). They used to sell the 'Heritage' range, but in truth the embroidery jacquard they used was dreadfully substandard and the garments poorly made, but if they made a better quality resurrected 'Heritage' range I'm sure older and younger fans would buy the products...
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 18, 2014, 11:11:58 AM
...many of the old badges depicted the history of the region, the latest one shows nothing about where the club was born.
As mentioned many times I don't like it, never will, it may be recognisable to the new generation of fans as they grew up with it, but I recognised the older badges, and if people who supported other teams didn't - so what?
Anyway, each time this topic crops up there are still some who prefer the previous badges, and for me the marketing department, as ever, are missing out on selling items with the older badges on, to those like me who won't buy anything with the new badge on (anything I have with the latest logo on has been bought as presents for me). They used to sell the 'Heritage' range, but in truth the embroidery jacquard they used was dreadfully substandard and the garments poorly made, but if they made a better quality resurrected 'Heritage' range I'm sure older and younger fans would buy the products...
+1, perfectly put.
The new badge is anything but 'nice', and most self-respecting brands avoid diagonal lettering of this kind because it is actually quite an easy step to envisage a swastika given its design, even if that seems absurd to some of you. it was the first thing that jumped out at me when I saw it, much to my dismay as i was looking forward to seeing it at the time.
I lived in Germany for many years and there are different sensitivities there about this sort of thing (they wouldn't have a design remotely like that for anything these days), so I might be stretching my point a bit. But having said that, several fans who sit next to me have similar objections and have also stopped buying any merchandise with that logo on it, like me.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 17, 2014, 11:32:24 AM
Quote from: Two Ton Ted on December 17, 2014, 10:28:15 AM
I still have the same view as I did when I first saw the badge 13 years ago, ditch it and use a historical one instead.
Agreed. It too much resembles a swastika for my taste. Bring back the Fulham Crest!
I agree, except would rather have the 75 Cup Final badge.
I don't like the current 'badge' at all - for me it lacks character and class.
I liked the one preceding it, which utilised the Borough crest. This gave us a sense of identity, and even had the river on it of course.
What we have now says nothing about us as a club, and in no way reflects our location or traditions.
in short, I would be over the moon if it was ditched for a return to the old crest.
Quote from: Adi-ffc on December 18, 2014, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 18, 2014, 11:11:58 AM
...many of the old badges depicted the history of the region, the latest one shows nothing about where the club was born.
As mentioned many times I don't like it, never will, it may be recognisable to the new generation of fans as they grew up with it, but I recognised the older badges, and if people who supported other teams didn't - so what?
Anyway, each time this topic crops up there are still some who prefer the previous badges, and for me the marketing department, as ever, are missing out on selling items with the older badges on, to those like me who won't buy anything with the new badge on (anything I have with the latest logo on has been bought as presents for me). They used to sell the 'Heritage' range, but in truth the embroidery jacquard they used was dreadfully substandard and the garments poorly made, but if they made a better quality resurrected 'Heritage' range I'm sure older and younger fans would buy the products...
+1, perfectly put.
The new badge is anything but 'nice', and most self-respecting brands avoid diagonal lettering of this kind because it is actually quite an easy step to envisage a swastika given its design, even if that seems absurd to some of you. it was the first thing that jumped out at me when I saw it, much to my dismay as i was looking forward to seeing it at the time.
I lived in Germany for many years and there are different sensitivities there about this sort of thing (they wouldn't have a design remotely like that for anything these days), so I might be stretching my point a bit. But having said that, several fans who sit next to me have similar objections and have also stopped buying any merchandise with that logo on it, like me.
I just can't see how three linked letters in a shield look remotely like the "broken cross". I think it's just more an association with the colours. I liked the old badge but this is striking and the colours look very good together.
(http://www.friendsoffulham.com/images/1stClubBADGE.jpg)(http://www.friendsoffulham.com/images/crest-1931.jpg)(http://www.friendsoffulham.com/images/crest-1945.jpg)(http://www.friendsoffulham.com/images/crest-1947.jpg)(http://www.friendsoffulham.com/images/crest-1951.jpg)
(http://www.friendsoffulham.com/images/crest-1972.jpg)(http://www.friendsoffulham.com/images/crest-1981.jpg)(http://www.friendsoffulham.com/images/crest-1982.jpg)(http://www.friendsoffulham.com/images/crest-1995.jpg)(http://www.friendsoffulham.com/images/crest-2001.jpg)
The present one is very similar to the road sign when you come
Into Cambridge from the North..
Seeing all the badges together like that does put it into context. So, I'm off down the pub.
For me, stick with the present.
After seeing all the badges together I'm even more convinced we should stick to the current one. Most of them are far too dated in a bad way. I love our precious ground because despite being very old in parts, it has character and I don't see character in any of the badges above. Why do people love the boat? Yes we play by the river but we're not the navy, we're a football club. If anything it should have the cottage in it to show what we are, even a blue stream representing the river would be blue and I detest the idea of blue in our badge. For that reason as well as the ship I've been put off going back to the last one.
The only one I think is very nice and wouldn't be a bad choice is the top right hand corner. Other than that I really can't see the obsession with the older badges, I guess it's just two different generations wanting what they grew up with.... which can't be a bad thing, we've just got to find a happy middle ground.
As long as we always keep the cottage I don't think the rest matters a great deal anyway, we've had god knows how many badges already so none could have really been that important. There's only one cottage though
At this moment in time I am more concerned about the direction the kit is going. Our colours are black white and red not grey and orange.
...the reason we have "the boat" is that it is a stylized representation of the "black ship", a Viking ship that sailed the furthest up the Thames and stopped at Putney in 879, (1000 years before Fulham FC was formed). Many of the old badges represented this and other details of the area, the Bishop's hat, the crossed swords, the rose in the ships' sail, the wavy lines to represent the Thames etc.,
The 'new' badge represents a marketing ploy based on the lies put out by the club at the time that we couldn't use the borough badge, it also represents what can be achieved by doodling with crayons. Future generations will not understand the rich heritage of the area, but never mind ay...
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 18, 2014, 09:07:25 PM
...the reason we have "the boat" is that it is a stylized representation of the "black ship", a Viking ship that sailed the furthest up the Thames and stopped at Putney in 879, (1000 years before Fulham FC was formed). Many of the old badges represented this and other details of the area, the Bishop's hat, the crossed swords, the rose in the ships' sail, the wavy lines to represent the Thames etc.,
The 'new' badge represents a marketing ploy based on the lies put out by the club at the time that we couldn't use the borough badge, it also represents what can be achieved by doodling with crayons. Future generations will not understand the rich heritage of the area, but never mind ay...
I understand your dislike of the new badge and I admit it doesn't really show anything unique or traditional. But after your fights to keep the club at the cottage(which is the one thing that links us all) surely the only other thing that matters is our colours and avoiding orange etc in the future.
Unfortunately and it is unfortunate but it's also something I think the older generation has to accept, is that like all things, Fulham will evolve with each generation. Just like films, music etc.... It can't always be expected that younger generations have to do things the way it was done 50 years ago.
We have Johnny haynes' statue/stand which I'm proud to have sat in and stood in the enclosure ever since I could walk, all fans should know the basic history of the club. Past greats, achievements, the battles you went through to save the club but is it necessary to be so uptight about a viking ship from hundreds of years ago which has no link to fulham football club, maybe putney and Fulham in general but not the club. I don't many other clubs designing their badge around the area the club is situated in and I accept our new badge is the worst for being ordinary but I think the others are over the top.
Would you accept a black and white badge based around the cottage or the JH roof sign? I think most fans could relate to that. Providing we keep the things that matter most I think it needs to be accepted sponsorships, modernising the ground (not including the obvious) need to be done. Marketing decisions need to be made, sometimes losing things that matter to you but to allow the club to compete and stay with the times. Fulham are unique already because of what us fans regard as important, it's never been about glory.
Are you in anyway negotiable on aspects of the club or do you believe the club should stay the way it was when you were a boy? I think that's a fair question and I'm trying to see this from both sides, I don't mean to disrespect you if that's how you see it
...dannyboi-ffc, I fully understand about things evolving and changes that happen through the course of time. I respect that the majority of fans who started following us due to us being in the premier league have grown up with a badge that to them is synonymous with the club.
My dislike of the badge is, as mentioned, is partly because it was manufactured and excused with a falsehood, the fans had no say, and it has no bearing on our heritage.
Now all these things may sound like the ramblings of an old fool living in the past, but the history of the club is important to me and should be recognised and understood by any fan of Fulham as a basic fundamental.
Case in point, the Johnny Haynes statue, I was heavily involved in that, and and immensely proud that his name will be remembered for a few more generations - and then Mr Fayed erected a carbunkle of a statue in memory of his pop star friend in the grounds of Craven Cottage. Now put in a search engine "Fulham FC statue" select images, and see the ratio of those showing the deceased pop star is greater than those of the Maestro. I hope you get the analogy and understand my concerns...
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 18, 2014, 09:07:25 PM
...the reason we have "the boat" is that it is a stylized representation of the "black ship", a Viking ship that sailed the furthest up the Thames and stopped at Putney in 879, (1000 years before Fulham FC was formed). Many of the old badges represented this and other details of the area, the Bishop's hat, the crossed swords, the rose in the ships' sail, the wavy lines to represent the Thames etc.,
The 'new' badge represents a marketing ploy based on the lies put out by the club at the time that we couldn't use the borough badge, it also represents what can be achieved by doodling with crayons. Future generations will not understand the rich heritage of the area, but never mind ay...
Now that fact about the Viking Ship explains why, during The Festival of Britain celebrations in 1951, a Replica Viking Ship sailed (rowed) up the Thames, much to the excitement of all. We amassed by Hammersmith Bridge to watch it go by.
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 18, 2014, 10:30:42 PM
...dannyboi-ffc, I fully understand about things evolving and changes that happen through the course of time. I respect that the majority of fans who started following us due to us being in the premier league have grown up with a badge that to them is synonymous with the club.
My dislike of the badge is, as mentioned, is partly because it was manufactured and excused with a falsehood, the fans had no say, and it has no bearing on our heritage.
Now all these things may sound like the ramblings of an old fool living in the past, but the history of the club is important to me and should be recognised and understood by any fan of Fulham as a basic fundamental.
Case in point, the Johnny Haynes statue, I was heavily involved in that, and and immensely proud that his name will be remembered for a few more generations - and then Mr Fayed erected a carbunkle of a statue in memory of his pop star friend in the grounds of Craven Cottage. Now put in a search engine "Fulham FC statue" select images, and see the ratio of those showing the deceased pop star is greater than those of the Maestro. I hope you get the analogy and understand my concerns...
Of course I understand your concerns, the MJ statue was bang out of order and I hated it more for how it undermined JH rather than just the embarrassment of it.
I admire fans like you who have become a big part of the history of the club and I agree all fans should know our history. can I just point out I've been going since 94 at the age of 6. I remember very clearly from Micky Adams team onwards, not every match but the team and the celebrations of promotion. The family fun day at the cottage to celebrate, I took a penalty against Walton and the ball was heavier than me lol. I have grown up with the new badge because I don't think any boy fully understands their club or football until they reach their teens. But I'm not a premier league supporter like some might think. My grandad had the same mentality as you.
All I was saying was if the badge was to be changed I think it should be personal to the club and not putney or vikings or Fulham Palace etc.... something that is Fulham and for me that's something to do with the cottage.
Not every aspect of the club can remain historic, as long as we keep the important things and remember/honour those who deserve it, then I think the club will remain strong for a few more generations to come.
I can see your dislike of the badge but I personally think the swastika remark is ridiculous.
Quote from: Peabody on December 18, 2014, 10:42:40 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 18, 2014, 09:07:25 PM
...the reason we have "the boat" is that it is a stylized representation of the "black ship", a Viking ship that sailed the furthest up the Thames and stopped at Putney in 879, (1000 years before Fulham FC was formed). Many of the old badges represented this and other details of the area, the Bishop's hat, the crossed swords, the rose in the ships' sail, the wavy lines to represent the Thames etc.,
The 'new' badge represents a marketing ploy based on the lies put out by the club at the time that we couldn't use the borough badge, it also represents what can be achieved by doodling with crayons. Future generations will not understand the rich heritage of the area, but never mind ay...
Now that fact about the Viking Ship explains why, during The Festival of Britain celebrations in 1951, a Replica Viking Ship sailed (rowed) up the Thames, much to the excitement of all. We amassed by Hammersmith Bridge to watch it go by.
Surely many viking ships sailed up the Thames far beyond Fulham, it was navigable for many miles more and they occupied Reading, Wallingford and other places upstream. There may have been one that called at Putney in 879 but doubtless just one of many over the years of the incursions.
How about this, guys?
(http://i.imgur.com/FgLFU9W.png?1)
I may be wrong (it has been known, once or twice), but I believe that the significance of the Viking ship was that it belonged to a venturer by the name of Fulla. Having sailed up the Thames to Putney, this Fulla decided to settle there and this settlement became known as Fulla's Ham (hamlet), and in time Fulham.
I'm sure that if this is some sort of urban myth I will have the local historians on here denouncing me within the next few minutes, so feel free to let rip.
Surely we could incorporate this bit of Fulham history into a badge:
Fulham during the 18th century had a reputation of debauchery, becoming a sort of "Las Vegas retreat" for the wealthy of London, where there was much gambling and prostitution.
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 18, 2014, 09:07:25 PMThe 'new' badge represents a marketing ploy based on the lies put out by the club at the time that we couldn't use the borough badge, it also represents what can be achieved by doodling with crayons. Future generations will not understand the rich heritage of the area, but never mind ay...
^^^This ^^^
Is a nutshell, why I will never accept nor buy anything for myself with the new badge on.
And with less Fulham fans living in the locality, with us all being spread out to London's hinterland, our history is more relevent that the whim of a long departed marketing manager.
Quote from: Rupert on December 19, 2014, 10:34:20 AM
I may be wrong (it has been known, once or twice), but I believe that the significance of the Viking ship was that it belonged to a venturer by the name of Fulla. Having sailed up the Thames to Putney, this Fulla decided to settle there and this settlement became known as Fulla's Ham (hamlet), and in time Fulham.
I'm sure that if this is some sort of urban myth I will have the local historians on here denouncing me within the next few minutes, so feel free to let rip.
Without referring to any sources, from what I know of place-names, Fulla's Ham is more likely to be Saxon in origin, like all the other -ham place names, whereas places of Danish settlement tend to end in -by. That's why they're mostly in the old Danelaw (except for Holby, of course) as a quick glance at any map will reveal.
The Saxons arrived by ship anyway, of course, there was no channel tunnel then and the land-bridge had already been submerged.
Quote from: EJL on December 19, 2014, 12:21:56 AM
How about this, guys?
(http://i.imgur.com/FgLFU9W.png?1)
When you see the crest like this it looks like a bullet pointing straight down..
