The FST is due to meet the club next week.
We will be discussing on going issued such as the stand, but if you have any questions or topics you would like us to raise please let me know.
I think it has been discussed before but week day games kicking off at 7:45 rather then 8:00 makes a huge difference for alot of fans when it comes to getting home. We went with 7:45 then seemed to switch back. What are the plans for this season?
Quote from: WestCountryWhite on May 27, 2015, 08:36:22 AM
I think it has been discussed before but week day games kicking off at 7:45 rather then 8:00 makes a huge difference for alot of fans when it comes to getting home. We went with 7:45 then seemed to switch back. What are the plans for this season?
It has been discussed and we had a mixture of game times this last season.
If I remember rightly CEO favoured 8pm but following games at 745 going ok we were going to stick to that.. Apart from TV games.
When I ran a poll on kick off times there was not much difference 55-45 in favour of 745.
The quickpass system they used last year was a bit hit and miss on matchdays, is that to be retained this year? Oh and vegetarian hot food, I tried on several occassions to get a pie, even before games to be told they didn't have any. A minor gripe, but I would really like something more than a curried pie as an option even a veggie hotdog!
They are dumping the quick pass and will have contactless payments by cc/dc
How does the club rate the manager's performance since his appointment? And why do they feel he is the best man to get us promoted next season?
Quote from: WestCountryWhite on May 27, 2015, 08:36:22 AM
I think it has been discussed before but week day games kicking off at 7:45 rather then 8:00 makes a huge difference for alot of fans when it comes to getting home. We went with 7:45 then seemed to switch back. What are the plans for this season?
In the interests of balance,it also makes a lot of difference to those of us who can't get there in time for a 7.45pm kick off due to journey from work.
If the poll was only 55:45 then I don't think it's fair to push either way, as there are valid arguments for both.
Quote from: Chesh on May 27, 2015, 09:46:12 AM
Quote from: WestCountryWhite on May 27, 2015, 08:36:22 AM
I think it has been discussed before but week day games kicking off at 7:45 rather then 8:00 makes a huge difference for alot of fans when it comes to getting home. We went with 7:45 then seemed to switch back. What are the plans for this season?
In the interests of balance,it also makes a lot of difference to those of us who can't get there in time for a 7.45pm kick off due to journey from work.
If the poll was only 55:45 then I don't think it's fair to push either way, as there are valid arguments for both.
:plus one:
Any plans to discuss on the field stuff?
The new stand is fantastic but we'll end up with it empty if we continue the way we are...
It would be interesting to see how season ticket sales are doing compared to this time last year.
Will Mr Khan be attending more games this coming season.
Any chance of throwing in free coach travel for away games
Quote from: MJG on May 27, 2015, 09:15:02 AM
They are dumping the quick pass and will have contactless payments by cc/dc
And are keeping all our outstanding money!!
I think the lack of transparency is really starting to get on my nerves. Why have they not given kit their backing or got someone in. They are just saying nothing and the rumours and uncertainty continues. I'm not a ST holder but why would I buy a ticket when I don't no who is in charge, don't know when work will start on the riverside (can't be for a full season if they have let people buy tickets in the riverside), no new players in (I know they can only try to get that done). Also highly unlikely we do get promoted next season but if we did are we going to only have three stands while work goes on? (If it ever happens).
MJG,
A very trivial point from me:
As a Season ticket holder in H4, is it possible that the flag unfurling before home games could be moved from H4. I am one of those people who likes to be able to see the players coming out etc, but this is spoilt every home game by the flag!! I'm all for building a good atmosphere etc, but to my mind this just obstructs it. Why can't the club have flag bearers like they do at Arsenal and have people waving the flags before the game and when goals are scored.
Now if it had been unfurled during some of the games, that would have spared a lot of anguish!!
Plus:
What is the reasoning this coming season for removing the 2 home Cup games from the Season Ticket package.
Cheers and hope the meeting goes well.
EB
I know it will upset the majority of the traditionalists of here! BUT , times are changing , Fulham is Lords on a test match day, whereas most clubs now are The Oval on a 20/20 day and KP is striding out to bat,
By all that I mean "The Package" that Fulham Football Club offers is as dull as dishwater ! Most Clubs , if not all others, include music into the occasion, as does 20/20 , look at Chelsea for instance they hold the monopoly on Ska and Two Tone , and the fans love it , Queens Park Rangers use music and in particular Pig Bag,
Watch an Old Firm game and see how both clubs use music to enhance the day Penny Arcade being played at Ibrox as the teams kick off is magical,
As I say this will upset the majority of the silver surfers on here, but Fulham need to move with the times and the people on pay roll who are responsible for the match day package, need to get themselves along to some T20 games this summer to see how music has opened up a whole new market, and they need to start catering for the 25's and under and stop worrying about the 65's and above !
And all this from a man with grey hair who loves Test Match cricket, but I do realise how far we are behind all the other Club's , and its time for change !
Quote from: Riversider on May 27, 2015, 11:24:31 AM
I know it will upset the majority of the traditionalists of here! BUT , times are changing , Fulham is Lords on a test match day, whereas most clubs now are The Oval on a 20/20 day and KP is striding out to bat,
By all that I mean "The Package" that Fulham Football Club offers is as dull as dishwater ! Most Clubs , if not all others, include music into the occasion, as does 20/20 , look at Chelsea for instance they hold the monopoly on Ska and Two Tone , and the fans love it , Queens Park Rangers use music and in particular Pig Bag,
Watch an Old Firm game and see how both clubs use music to enhance the day Penny Arcade being played at Ibrox as the teams kick off is magical,
As I say this will upset the majority of the silver surfers on here, but Fulham need to move with the times and the people on pay roll who are responsible for the match day package, need to get themselves along to some T20 games this summer to see how music has opened up a whole new market, and they need to start catering for the 25's and under and stop worrying about the 65's and above !
And all this from a man with grey hair who loves Test Match cricket, but I do realise how far we are behind all the other Club's , and its time for change !
Oh god please no goal music - pleaseeee
How about the fans just sing more during games rather than sit with arms folded and moan?
Maybe we need cheerleaders
Quote from: Riversider on May 27, 2015, 11:24:31 AM
I know it will upset the majority of the traditionalists of here! BUT , times are changing , Fulham is Lords on a test match day, whereas most clubs now are The Oval on a 20/20 day and KP is striding out to bat,
By all that I mean "The Package" that Fulham Football Club offers is as dull as dishwater ! Most Clubs , if not all others, include music into the occasion, as does 20/20 , look at Chelsea for instance they hold the monopoly on Ska and Two Tone , and the fans love it , Queens Park Rangers use music and in particular Pig Bag,
Watch an Old Firm game and see how both clubs use music to enhance the day Penny Arcade being played at Ibrox as the teams kick off is magical,
As I say this will upset the majority of the silver surfers on here, but Fulham need to move with the times and the people on pay roll who are responsible for the match day package, need to get themselves along to some T20 games this summer to see how music has opened up a whole new market, and they need to start catering for the 25's and under and stop worrying about the 65's and above !
And all this from a man with grey hair who loves Test Match cricket, but I do realise how far we are behind all the other Club's , and its time for change !
Package? Good God, that's as bad as Match Day Experience dreamt up by some 14 year old half wit in the publicity department.
It's a bleedin' football match, not a life changing experience, and the day we need music to enhance a game is the day I stop going.
The kind of reply I would have bet my house on receiving from somebody on this board !
Its not about GOAL music its about the before and after as well , we need to cater to a different market,
And as for asking Fulham fans to sing more, have you ever been to a game ?
There would be uproar on here if 10 lads dared to stand up and start singing !
Stewards would be called amongst the cries of " Siiiiid daaaaaaaaaaaaaan"
Agree. No music or other razzmatazz, not even cheerleaders please.
Let's be different. Let's keep with the 'Original' ideals.
What would be good would be better and/or possibly cheaper food and drink and better service. It can take an age to get served. The real ale bar has been a great addition.
Also improved toilets.
Quote from: Chesh on May 27, 2015, 09:46:12 AM
Quote from: WestCountryWhite on May 27, 2015, 08:36:22 AM
I think it has been discussed before but week day games kicking off at 7:45 rather then 8:00 makes a huge difference for alot of fans when it comes to getting home. We went with 7:45 then seemed to switch back. What are the plans for this season?
In the interests of balance,it also makes a lot of difference to those of us who can't get there in time for a 7.45pm kick off due to journey from work.
If the poll was only 55:45 then I don't think it's fair to push either way, as there are valid arguments for both.
And that was always CEO reasoning behind 8pm games. It's one where you can't please everyone and who knows might be a mix of times next season again.
Quote from: Northern Cottager on May 27, 2015, 09:55:33 AM
Any plans to discuss on the field stuff?
The new stand is fantastic but we'll end up with it empty if we continue the way we are...
We do not talk about specific player's on these meetings, just touch on the running of club, supporters issues raised. Of course the playing side is key and while we might talk about the manager and coaches, not much more than that.
If the players released list has not be published I'll be raising that.
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on May 27, 2015, 10:13:00 AM
It would be interesting to see how season ticket sales are doing compared to this time last year.
Will Mr Khan be attending more games this coming season.
Any chance of throwing in free coach travel for away games
We have spoken about travel, I don't see the club doing that as a general rule at all. Maybe one offs but highly unlikely.
We will ask about ST but they will tell us the specific numbers you can guarantee that.
They do stress that while Khan is not at the games he is involved on a weekly basis with at least one conference call every Monday and more when required.
Quote from: The Enclosurite on May 27, 2015, 10:35:55 AM
Quote from: MJG on May 27, 2015, 09:15:02 AM
They are dumping the quick pass and will have contactless payments by cc/dc
And are keeping all our outstanding money!!
I doubt it, but you would need to take it up with them.
MJG - do you know if all clubs have meetings with fans representatives or are we the lucky ones?
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on May 27, 2015, 10:39:53 AM
I think the lack of transparency is really starting to get on my nerves. Why have they not given kit their backing or got someone in. They are just saying nothing and the rumours and uncertainty continues. I'm not a ST holder but why would I buy a ticket when I don't no who is in charge, don't know when work will start on the riverside (can't be for a full season if they have let people buy tickets in the riverside), no new players in (I know they can only try to get that done). Also highly unlikely we do get promoted next season but if we did are we going to only have three stands while work goes on? (If it ever happens).
The riverside will be open through all the work which is not planned till next summer now, so no reason to do anything about the tickets in that stand.
We will ask about Kit, but I do have some sympathy with the club here, he has a contract why do they need to say he's staying?
I actually like goal music :-)
Quote from: Riversider on May 27, 2015, 11:24:31 AM
I know it will upset the majority of the traditionalists of here! BUT , times are changing , Fulham is Lords on a test match day, whereas most clubs now are The Oval on a 20/20 day and KP is striding out to bat,
By all that I mean "The Package" that Fulham Football Club offers is as dull as dishwater ! Most Clubs , if not all others, include music into the occasion, as does 20/20 , look at Chelsea for instance they hold the monopoly on Ska and Two Tone , and the fans love it , Queens Park Rangers use music and in particular Pig Bag,
Watch an Old Firm game and see how both clubs use music to enhance the day Penny Arcade being played at Ibrox as the teams kick off is magical,
As I say this will upset the majority of the silver surfers on here, but Fulham need to move with the times and the people on pay roll who are responsible for the match day package, need to get themselves along to some T20 games this summer to see how music has opened up a whole new market, and they need to start catering for the 25's and under and stop worrying about the 65's and above !
And all this from a man with grey hair who loves Test Match cricket, but I do realise how far we are behind all the other Club's , and its time for change !
I completely disagree.
Less 'package' and more leave things alone. would be good. I hate the jolly announcer and what the players have on their i-pod... who cares. Music to come out to and after goals is all kids stuff to wind up 6 year olds.
we pay to see a football game and fans create atmosphere if left to their own devices a la euro 96.... what we need is a proper team on the field!
Quote from: MJG on May 27, 2015, 01:02:09 PM
Quote from: The Enclosurite on May 27, 2015, 10:35:55 AM
Quote from: MJG on May 27, 2015, 09:15:02 AM
They are dumping the quick pass and will have contactless payments by cc/dc
And are keeping all our outstanding money!!
I doubt it, but you would need to take it up with them.
I have and they are. We 'lose' any remaining balance apparently.
Quote from: nose on May 27, 2015, 01:20:21 PM
Quote from: Riversider on May 27, 2015, 11:24:31 AM
I know it will upset the majority of the traditionalists of here! BUT , times are changing , Fulham is Lords on a test match day, whereas most clubs now are The Oval on a 20/20 day and KP is striding out to bat,
By all that I mean "The Package" that Fulham Football Club offers is as dull as dishwater ! Most Clubs , if not all others, include music into the occasion, as does 20/20 , look at Chelsea for instance they hold the monopoly on Ska and Two Tone , and the fans love it , Queens Park Rangers use music and in particular Pig Bag,
Watch an Old Firm game and see how both clubs use music to enhance the day Penny Arcade being played at Ibrox as the teams kick off is magical,
As I say this will upset the majority of the silver surfers on here, but Fulham need to move with the times and the people on pay roll who are responsible for the match day package, need to get themselves along to some T20 games this summer to see how music has opened up a whole new market, and they need to start catering for the 25's and under and stop worrying about the 65's and above !
And all this from a man with grey hair who loves Test Match cricket, but I do realise how far we are behind all the other Club's , and its time for change !
I completely disagree.
Less 'package' and more leave things alone. would be good. I hate the jolly announcer and what the players have on their i-pod... who cares. Music to come out to and after goals is all kids stuff to wind up 6 year olds.
we pay to see a football game and fans create atmosphere if left to their own devices a la euro 96.... what we need is a proper team on the field!
Fulham's got talent style show at half time, bungee jumping from the lights (for a fee) before and after games. Could even do paint balling in the jh stand on none match days. So much restricted view.
Sorry MJG I wouldn't put that to the board.
Quote from: nose on May 27, 2015, 01:20:21 PM
Quote from: Riversider on May 27, 2015, 11:24:31 AM
I know it will upset the majority of the traditionalists of here! BUT , times are changing , Fulham is Lords on a test match day, whereas most clubs now are The Oval on a 20/20 day and KP is striding out to bat,
By all that I mean "The Package" that Fulham Football Club offers is as dull as dishwater ! Most Clubs , if not all others, include music into the occasion, as does 20/20 , look at Chelsea for instance they hold the monopoly on Ska and Two Tone , and the fans love it , Queens Park Rangers use music and in particular Pig Bag,
Watch an Old Firm game and see how both clubs use music to enhance the day Penny Arcade being played at Ibrox as the teams kick off is magical,
As I say this will upset the majority of the silver surfers on here, but Fulham need to move with the times and the people on pay roll who are responsible for the match day package, need to get themselves along to some T20 games this summer to see how music has opened up a whole new market, and they need to start catering for the 25's and under and stop worrying about the 65's and above !
And all this from a man with grey hair who loves Test Match cricket, but I do realise how far we are behind all the other Club's , and its time for change !
I completely disagree.
Less 'package' and more leave things alone. would be good. I hate the jolly announcer and what the players have on their i-pod... who cares. Music to come out to and after goals is all kids stuff to wind up 6 year olds.
we pay to see a football game and fans create atmosphere if left to their own devices a la euro 96.... what we need is a proper team on the field!
Precisely - Goal music makes up for lack of atmosphere generated by singing (as do drums)
As for cheerleaders and all that other crap - No thanks
Be interesting to find out if help is on the way for Kit ie with his backroom staff
Quote from: phil_magnus on May 27, 2015, 02:29:22 PM
Be interesting to find out if help is on the way for Kit ie with his backroom staff
Or a P45
Actually can we have a "Beat the Badger" (fnarr, fnarr) competition at half time, either billy playing golf or skipping, keeping goal, something like that.
In all seriousness, I've seen a few things the Jaguars mascot does at games, he's pretty impressive
Be good to get an update on how the season ticket sales drive has gone.... How many have renewed, how many are new, how many lapsed.
How big an impact will a potential overturning/loosening of the FFP regulations (if QPR "win" or at least don't face a huge fine) have on the club's spending on transfers?
What IS this project we hear about so often? Is it a long term strategy that future managers will have to buy into? Are we trying to create a "Fulham way" so that when managers leave there are already two/three potential replacements lined up? Same with players? Or are we going to face major changes every time a new manager comes in and wants to instill their philosophies on the club?
A lot of comment on the various risks of transfers - what went wrong with Mitroglou then? Lessons have to have been learnt from it - especially considering how late in the window he signed and how quickly the manager was replaced afterwards.
Considering how poorly the last few years have gone on the pitch - relegation without much of a fight and last season's performances - along with the major managerial changes, how are the club planning on selling itself to potential players to get them to sign?
Is there a plan to develop a relationship with a big continental club in order to loan young players relative regularly? Obviously not as close as Watford/Granada/Udinese but if we're focusing on getting players with Championship experience (TM) then fostering a relationship where we get good, young players from say top clubs in Italy, Germany or Spain could be hugely beneficial.
How much player turnover should we expect this close season?
Quote from: The Enclosurite on May 27, 2015, 01:49:15 PM
Quote from: MJG on May 27, 2015, 01:02:09 PM
Quote from: The Enclosurite on May 27, 2015, 10:35:55 AM
Quote from: MJG on May 27, 2015, 09:15:02 AM
They are dumping the quick pass and will have contactless payments by cc/dc
And are keeping all our outstanding money!!
I doubt it, but you would need to take it up with them.
I have and they are. We 'lose' any remaining balance apparently.
That's poor, I'll raise it.
Is Mitro coming back, and any news on friendlies and or club tour
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on May 27, 2015, 04:36:07 PM
Is Mitro coming back, and any news on friendlies and or club tour
This isn't a chance to discuss footballing matters. Any problems with urinals, Rollover HotDogs or the path outside the ground...then raise it! ;)
Quote from: snarks on May 27, 2015, 09:11:27 AM
The quickpass system they used last year was a bit hit and miss on matchdays, is that to be retained this year? Oh and vegetarian hot food, I tried on several occassions to get a pie, even before games to be told they didn't have any. A minor gripe, but I would really like something more than a curried pie as an option even a veggie hotdog!
Improved food. The cottage pie I had at the end of last season tasted like it had been there since the beginning of the season. The pie I had at Norwich was very good.
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on May 27, 2015, 04:36:07 PMIs Mitro coming back, and any news on friendlies and or club tour
He will be back... As to staying that's another issue.
Last meeting they were working out last details of tour and hopefully they will announce before next week's meeting.
Quote from: MJG on May 27, 2015, 01:02:09 PM
Quote from: The Enclosurite on May 27, 2015, 10:35:55 AM
Quote from: MJG on May 27, 2015, 09:15:02 AM
They are dumping the quick pass and will have contactless payments by cc/dc
And are keeping all our outstanding money!!
I doubt it, but you would need to take it up with them.
They did say just before the end of the season that they were scrapping quickpass. The following match I went to use my card and get rid of the credit there weren't and QP terminals at the kiosks. I did advise the Club in no uncertain terms what I thought of them. You could have got a refund for any unused amount over £10, but may have missed cut off date.
Mike, as you know I live in Spain & on match days listen to GJ giving his live commentary. However for the past couple of seasons the quality of the broadcast has been poor. It keeps cutting out whether on my PC from the Offal or using the App on my Android Tablet or my iPhone. Sometimes we loose the broadcast completely.
In this day communications should not be an issue. I can Skype with Russ & Yannis without a problem so surely a radio commentary should not beyond the Club´s capability.
Mike, can you clarify exactly what Alastair Macintosh meant in the video posted today, when he said that "We had purchased a section of The Thames"
Firstly, how is that even possible, and secondly what do we intend to do with it and what does it mean for the stand ? Is the back of the stand going to be pushed back ? Is that what was always intended ?
Quote from: Riversider on May 27, 2015, 06:20:29 PM
Mike, can you clarify exactly what Alastair Macintosh meant in the video posted today, when he said that "We had purchased a section of The Thames"
Firstly, how is that even possible, and secondly what do we intend to do with it and what does it mean for the stand ? Is the back of the stand going to be pushed back ? Is that what was always intended ?
yes, it was always the plan to reclaim a section of the thames
Quote from: Riversider on May 27, 2015, 06:20:29 PM
Mike, can you clarify exactly what Alastair Macintosh meant in the video posted today, when he said that "We had purchased a section of The Thames"
Firstly, how is that even possible, and secondly what do we intend to do with it and what does it mean for the stand ? Is the back of the stand going to be pushed back ? Is that what was always intended ?
I'll get down there with my metal detector to see if there's anything interesting on the foreshore before they put the pylons in for the new stand. If it ever happens.
What the clubs stance is on introducing safe standing.
Quote from: fulhamben on May 27, 2015, 06:26:53 PMQuote from: Riversider on May 27, 2015, 06:20:29 PMMike, can you clarify exactly what Alastair Macintosh meant in the video posted today, when he said that "We had purchased a section of The Thames"
Firstly, how is that even possible, and secondly what do we intend to do with it and what does it mean for the stand ? Is the back of the stand going to be pushed back ? Is that what was always intended ?
yes, it was always the plan to reclaim a section of the thames
That's correct they needed it to allow them to go out into the river. There are environmental things that need to be done before work in that area can happen.
It's been one of the permits/deals I could not mention.
Also when you look at the plans the stand goes a long way back over the river.
Quote from: manxman on May 27, 2015, 06:48:50 PM
What the clubs stance is on introducing safe standing.
We asked that earlier in the season. They are monitoring the situation and trials going on. But no firm backing or not backing the idea.
Quote from: MJG on May 27, 2015, 06:51:34 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on May 27, 2015, 06:26:53 PM
Quote from: Riversider on May 27, 2015, 06:20:29 PM
Mike, can you clarify exactly what Alastair Macintosh meant in the video posted today, when he said that "We had purchased a section of The Thames"
Firstly, how is that even possible, and secondly what do we intend to do with it and what does it mean for the stand ? Is the back of the stand going to be pushed back ? Is that what was always intended ?
yes, it was always the plan to reclaim a section of the thames
That's correct they needed it to allow them to go out into the river. There are environmental things that need to be done before work in that area can happen.
It's been one of the permits/deals I could not mention.
Also when you look at the plans the stand goes a long way back over the river.
so can we pressume everything is now in place
Can you ask if Curbishley is still with the club and if so in what capacity ?
If he has left, can you ask if its the club's intention to strengthen the coaching team to assist Kit.
Can you also ask on what day do the players return to training, and whats the latest on George William, and in which month is he expected to return to full training ,
Many thanks.
can you ask if kit will now be picking his own captain, as i cant see parker starting many if we are serious about top 6
Mike,
Please convey thanks for the Rigg, Symons, MacIntosh video to those from the club who show up for the FST meeting. As I've stated before, I believe that communications like this have done and will do a world of good within the supporter community. I really believe it when folks call Fulham a family club and that, as such, this kind of effort from the club along with a reciprocating effort from supporters will be essential going forward.
Just a fantastic foot put forward by the club.
I am certain that you planned to do so already but, I just wanted to encourage you.
Thanks.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on May 28, 2015, 07:26:03 PM
Mike,
Please convey thanks for the Rigg, Symons, MacIntosh video to those from the club who show up for the FST meeting. As I've stated before, I believe that communications like this have done and will do a world of good within the supporter community. I really believe it when folks call Fulham a family club and that, as such, this kind of effort from the club along with a reciprocating effort from supporters will be essential going forward.
Just a fantastic foot put forward by the club.
I am certain that you planned to do so already but, I just wanted to encourage you.
Thanks.
I would totally echo this.
Mike, the key question everyone is asking is why keep Kit on as manager when we all saw such little basic improvement from a coaching tactical and technical and even motivational basis. We know he kept us up from a dreadful start and we understand the feelgood factor he instilled (all extremely important). However, the lack of basic defending alone suggests Kit is just not the coach we need and add to that many people (incl me) doubt that Kit will attract good enough players. The minimum required if Kit remains is that we need better coaches to help him. How do they expect a Manager and Coaching staff with such little experience to get us promoted in such a tough league.
Thanks again for the video, please can we have more, and great news re the development of Craven Cottage.
Mike to add to the above, (I have just seen a tweet from you saying we should now stop discussing the manager as he is obviously staying). I understand what you are saying, but still think the club should know that the vast majority (80% in your poll) want Kit replaced. Having said that, I think its very fair to ask if we are looking to bring in more experienced coaches to help Kit... if only to teach the team how to defend properly. I think McClaren did this quite succesfully at QPR for a while. I understand Kits coaching team are those he took from the U21s. This is a massive jump to Championship level football, I just don't understand how the club can be confident Kit and his team have what it takes, we have seen no evidence of it what so ever on the pitch !!
Stuart, the coaching setup is on the list to ask about, and believe me they know the feelings of the fans and the various polls.
My tweet was more of a personal view and I think you know where I stood prior to the video. But we have to get on with where we are. If there is one message to take from video is that Rigg will try to give Kit the tools to succeed, I think early failures will mean something would be done to change that.
Quote from: MJG on May 29, 2015, 10:25:56 AM
Stuart, the coaching setup is on the list to ask about, and believe me they know the feelings of the fans and the various polls.
My tweet was more of a personal view and I think you know where I stood prior to the video. But we have to get on with where we are. If there is one message to take from video is that Rigg will try to give Kit the tools to succeed, I think early failures will mean something would be done to change that.
Thanks Mike, I agree. Not sure if there is anything in the Burton rumour, I would see this as a good move.
I see its already been mentioned, but my first thought was 'kick-off time'. I'm in the camp with a strong preference for 8:00 (rather than a desire to get home a little earlier) as half the time I can't get to midweek matches until 8:00. I was unimpressed with the decision to schedule the Nottingham Forest match for 7:45 at a week's notice.
Midweek day of the week – is it staying Wednesday (my preferred date)?
Would reverting to a hard copy Fultime magazine (and the kids' Halftime) be possible?
Quote from: The Enclosurite on May 27, 2015, 10:35:55 AM
Quote from: MJG on May 27, 2015, 09:15:02 AM
They are dumping the quick pass and will have contactless payments by cc/dc
And are keeping all our outstanding money!!
Whilst I renewed my Season Tickets I asked about my outstanding Quick Pass account. I was passed onto Customer Services at the club who immediately transferred it to my bank account when I provided the relevant details.
Apparently the use of Quick Pass had declined rapidly (no wonder, the number of working card readers decreased with each match).
So just contact the club and you will get your outstanding maney back sharpish.
What was the thought process behind retaining Symons?
Does Khan intend to utilize FFP owner loss headroom or should we infer from Riggs comments that we intend to break even at worst on transfer dealings?
Quote from: WayneKerrins on May 30, 2015, 12:46:11 AM
What was the thought process behind retaining Symons?
Does Khan intend to utilize FFP owner loss headroom or should we infer from Riggs comments that we intend to break even at worst on transfer dealings?
I'd say the first part of the question was answered in the video, stability.
Quote from: MJG on May 30, 2015, 06:15:57 AM
Quote from: WayneKerrins on May 30, 2015, 12:46:11 AM
What was the thought process behind retaining Symons?
Does Khan intend to utilize FFP owner loss headroom or should we infer from Riggs comments that we intend to break even at worst on transfer dealings?
I'd say the first part of the question was answered in the video, stability.
Yes stability and the fact that they give Kit credit for leeping us up, creating a feelgood factor and want to test him with a decent squad.
Quote from: FulhamStu on May 30, 2015, 06:21:40 AM
Quote from: MJG on May 30, 2015, 06:15:57 AM
Quote from: WayneKerrins on May 30, 2015, 12:46:11 AM
What was the thought process behind retaining Symons?
Does Khan intend to utilize FFP owner loss headroom or should we infer from Riggs comments that we intend to break even at worst on transfer dealings?
I'd say the first part of the question was answered in the video, stability.
Yes stability and the fact that they give Kit credit for leeping us up, creating a feelgood factor and want to test him with a decent squad.
Keeping us up ! We had 39 games left on the day he took over , how can "Keeping us Up " be on his CV ? Total nonsense.
Quote from: Riversider on May 30, 2015, 06:33:49 AM
Quote from: FulhamStu on May 30, 2015, 06:21:40 AM
Quote from: MJG on May 30, 2015, 06:15:57 AM
Quote from: WayneKerrins on May 30, 2015, 12:46:11 AM
What was the thought process behind retaining Symons?
Does Khan intend to utilize FFP owner loss headroom or should we infer from Riggs comments that we intend to break even at worst on transfer dealings?
I'd say the first part of the question was answered in the video, stability.
Yes stability and the fact that they give Kit credit for leeping us up, creating a feelgood factor and want to test him with a decent squad.
Keeping us up ! We had 39 games left on the day he took over , how can "Keeping us Up " be on his CV ? Total nonsense.
I am just telling you what they kept him on, Rigg said that no manager in history has kept a team up after 1 point from 7 games. I would have got rid, but this is what was said in the video... have you seen it ?
Quote from: FulhamStu on May 30, 2015, 06:39:41 AM
Quote from: Riversider on May 30, 2015, 06:33:49 AM
Quote from: FulhamStu on May 30, 2015, 06:21:40 AM
Quote from: MJG on May 30, 2015, 06:15:57 AM
Quote from: WayneKerrins on May 30, 2015, 12:46:11 AM
What was the thought process behind retaining Symons?
Does Khan intend to utilize FFP owner loss headroom or should we infer from Riggs comments that we intend to break even at worst on transfer dealings?
I'd say the first part of the question was answered in the video, stability.
Yes stability and the fact that they give Kit credit for leeping us up, creating a feelgood factor and want to test him with a decent squad.
Keeping us up ! We had 39 games left on the day he took over , how can "Keeping us Up " be on his CV ? Total nonsense.
I am just telling you what they kept him on, Rigg said that no manager in history has kept a team up after 1 point from 7 games. I would have got rid, but this is what was said in the video... have you seen it ?
That's my point, they have given us the reason and no matter if you think it's good enough or not, he is the manager and that's the thinking behind it.
To be absolutely fair, if he is the first manager since 86 to keep a team up that only had 1/7 then fair play to him.
Quote from: FulhamStu on May 30, 2015, 06:39:41 AM
Quote from: Riversider on May 30, 2015, 06:33:49 AM
Quote from: FulhamStu on May 30, 2015, 06:21:40 AM
Quote from: MJG on May 30, 2015, 06:15:57 AM
Quote from: WayneKerrins on May 30, 2015, 12:46:11 AM
What was the thought process behind retaining Symons?
Does Khan intend to utilize FFP owner loss headroom or should we infer from Riggs comments that we intend to break even at worst on transfer dealings?
I'd say the first part of the question was answered in the video, stability.
Yes stability and the fact that they give Kit credit for leeping us up, creating a feelgood factor and want to test him with a decent squad.
Keeping us up ! We had 39 games left on the day he took over , how can "Keeping us Up " be on his CV ? Total nonsense.
I am just telling you what they kept him on, Rigg said that no manager in history has kept a team up after 1 point from 7 games. I would have got rid, but this is what was said in the video... have you seen it ?
i thought they said it hasnt happened since the 70s?
Quote from: FulhamStu on May 30, 2015, 06:39:41 AM
Quote from: Riversider on May 30, 2015, 06:33:49 AM
Quote from: FulhamStu on May 30, 2015, 06:21:40 AM
Quote from: MJG on May 30, 2015, 06:15:57 AM
Quote from: WayneKerrins on May 30, 2015, 12:46:11 AM
What was the thought process behind retaining Symons?
Does Khan intend to utilize FFP owner loss headroom or should we infer from Riggs comments that we intend to break even at worst on transfer dealings?
I'd say the first part of the question was answered in the video, stability.
Yes stability and the fact that they give Kit credit for leeping us up, creating a feelgood factor and want to test him with a decent squad.
Keeping us up ! We had 39 games left on the day he took over , how can "Keeping us Up " be on his CV ? Total nonsense.
I am just telling you what they kept him on, Rigg said that no manager in history has kept a team up after 1 point from 7 games. I would have got rid, but this is what was said in the video... have you seen it ?
So were keeping a manager based on a stat that basically shows how poor Magath was rather than how good Kit is.
The only thing that Magath got right was getting McCormack he basiclly kept us up, and will probably do the same again next season.
Ok so the corollary is they're either confident he can improve as a manager or more of the same is acceptable. As I said not impressed with Riggs.
I didn't hear much to get overly excited about re signings Stu..what did I miss?
In the video they released, It was mentioned that improvements were going to be carried out on the Hammersmith End, can it be clarified exactly what they mean by improvements ?
Quote from: Riversider on May 31, 2015, 08:08:33 PM
In the video they released, It was mentioned that improvements were going to be carried out on the Hammersmith End, can it be clarified exactly what they mean by improvements ?
They are looking at converting some box's into a bar, and general upgrades of supporters facilities. Nothing with regards extra seats or taking poles down if that's what you had in mind.
I have one question and that relates to the proposed new stand.
In the 'management video' last week they said work would start next year. Why wait any longer?
The permits are in place, the area of Thames that is required for piling has been secured and the design is done. These works in the river should not affect any matchdays and could surely start now. Last year the club advised that work should start this year. The delay simply adds fuel to the argument that Mr Khan does not really want to spend any money - at least as yet.
Sorry, a second point, I still have problems with phone/internet connectivity in the Jonny Haynes stand. Intermittent at best - though iot could be partly down to service provider.
Quote from: Domino 1879 on June 01, 2015, 10:23:19 AM
I have one question and that relates to the proposed new stand.
In the 'management video' last week they said work would start next year. Why wait any longer?
The permits are in place, the area of Thames that is required for piling has been secured and the design is done. These works in the river should not affect any matchdays and could surely start now. Last year the club advised that work should start this year. The delay simply adds fuel to the argument that Mr Khan does not really want to spend any money - at least as yet.
Sorry, a second point, I still have problems with phone/internet connectivity in the Jonny Haynes stand. Intermittent at best - though iot could be partly down to service provider.
All about the tendering and availability of the companies. Its only at this late stage we have the full ok to go ahaead. And anyone who has looked at the planning will know there is a lot of work that has to be done (and could not be done till now) before we even start any heavy lifting work.
I had problems in the JH stand..went to 4G and all sorted. Its just down to the number using phones and the provider.
We have asked the club to look at stadium wide wifi and while it has a large cost to it, they are considering it.
Quote from: MJG on June 01, 2015, 10:39:48 AM
Quote from: Domino 1879 on June 01, 2015, 10:23:19 AM
I have one question and that relates to the proposed new stand.
In the 'management video' last week they said work would start next year. Why wait any longer?
The permits are in place, the area of Thames that is required for piling has been secured and the design is done. These works in the river should not affect any matchdays and could surely start now. Last year the club advised that work should start this year. The delay simply adds fuel to the argument that Mr Khan does not really want to spend any money - at least as yet.
Sorry, a second point, I still have problems with phone/internet connectivity in the Jonny Haynes stand. Intermittent at best - though iot could be partly down to service provider.
All about the tendering and availability of the companies. Its only at this late stage we have the full ok to go ahaead. And anyone who has looked at the planning will know there is a lot of work that has to be done (and could not be done till now) before we even start any heavy lifting work.
I had problems in the JH stand..went to 4G and all sorted. Its just down to the number using phones and the provider.
We have asked the club to look at stadium wide wifi and while it has a large cost to it, they are considering it.
Thanks for the response. Will look out for signs of activity early next year.
Appreciate your efforts with FST.
Quote from: WayneKerrins on May 30, 2015, 09:44:04 AM
Ok so the corollary is they're either confident he can improve as a manager or more of the same is acceptable. As I said not impressed with Riggs.
I didn't hear much to get overly excited about re signings Stu..what did I miss?
No your right, there were no specifics however they talked about spending a lot of time and effort with agents to bring in new players but wanted value. This echos what Khan said, yes we will spend but want value unlike Mitroglue. I suspect having got his hands burnt by the Mitroglue fiasco, Khan is a little more cautious that before that.
I too would want to thank the club for the Rigg/Kit/Ali Mac video. The media team at FFC has been improving steadily over the past few years, but it was really lovely to have some actual transparency from the club.
I don't think anyone is expecting the club to be 100% honest about plans (some confidentiality is necessary in every business), but it's been a tough few years for the fans and it was nice for the club to give us an honest idea of how the decision-makers will attempt to resolve things.
Quote from: Roberty on May 27, 2015, 01:04:30 PM
MJG - do you know if all clubs have meetings with fans representatives or are we the lucky ones?
I missed this question so sorry about that. We know that many clubs do not have meetings like this, so in one way we are very lucky to have an avenue like this open.
Anything to report from the meeting?
Quote from: FFC Norway on June 04, 2015, 09:27:18 AM
Anything to report from the meeting?
As usual I'll not report anything till we post on the FST website and mail members.
But I'll say I was encouraged by the meeting and we met Rigg for about 15 minutes.
Great - be interested in the response to the coaching question.
I'll be very interested to know how the club took the feedback from the Rigg, Symons, Mackintosh video and if they plan to continue this kind of communication with their supporters.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on June 04, 2015, 01:20:05 PM
I'll be very interested to know how the club took the feedback from the Rigg, Symons, Mackintosh video and if they plan to continue this kind of communication with their supporters.
They have been very pleased with the response and Sarah said they will be looking at doing more of these and as 1-2-1's as well.
They did want to stress that Sarah had not gone through the questions beforehand and none of it was scripted.
Quote from: MJG on June 04, 2015, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on June 04, 2015, 01:20:05 PM
I'll be very interested to know how the club took the feedback from the Rigg, Symons, Mackintosh video and if they plan to continue this kind of communication with their supporters.
They have been very pleased with the response and Sarah said they will be looking at doing more of these and as 1-2-1's as well.
They did want to stress that Sarah had not gone through the questions beforehand and none of it was scripted.
they obviously dont check their twitter account if they were pleased with the response.
Quote from: fulhamben on June 04, 2015, 01:41:09 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 04, 2015, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on June 04, 2015, 01:20:05 PM
I'll be very interested to know how the club took the feedback from the Rigg, Symons, Mackintosh video and if they plan to continue this kind of communication with their supporters.
They have been very pleased with the response and Sarah said they will be looking at doing more of these and as 1-2-1's as well.
They did want to stress that Sarah had not gone through the questions beforehand and none of it was scripted.
they obviously dont check their twitter account if they were pleased with the response.
Of course there are negative posts, but then no matter what the club does some will always have a go. Having seen the reaction I'd say a very large majority were pleased with it.
People claim lack of communication and moan.
They do a three person interview covering a lot of subjects they moan.
It's just the way it is.
What's a twitter account ?
Am I living in the past?
Quote from: MJG on June 04, 2015, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on June 04, 2015, 01:20:05 PM
I'll be very interested to know how the club took the feedback from the Rigg, Symons, Mackintosh video and if they plan to continue this kind of communication with their supporters.
They have been very pleased with the response and Sarah said they will be looking at doing more of these and as 1-2-1's as well.
They did want to stress that Sarah had not gone through the questions beforehand and none of it was scripted.
Very pleased to know they plan to continue with it. I have long believed that they can create an even stronger relationship with supporters....and perhaps gain new supporters from fair weather fans and tourists....by presenting the club in this way.
I think that it's good that they went unscripted with the interviews. It makes for a more honest presentation. I thought it was fairly obvious though. There was a sense of spontaneity about their responses and I don't believe any of the three are good enough actors to pull that off. :dft011:
At the end of the day the video was "responsive" to a growing amount of criticism from the fans, the time for back slapping from the club is when they post something like that in a "pro-active" way,
Every question asked, had been previously raised either on here, TIFF or Twitter,
Call me a cynical git, but do people really think that the panel didnt know what Brookes was going to ask them ? Of course they did.
People have their pretty set views and from posts they remain pretty much the same pre and post the video.
Some won't be happy unless they are told who our targets are as soon as Rigg and Kit have identified them and certainly before Mackintosh is told. Some won't believe the Riverstand Stand will be built until they have sat in one of the seats. Some simply won't be happy whatever.
For myself I heard exactly what I expected from all the other signs from and comments by the club and that most of the fears and speculation on here are just nonsense.
Quote from: MJG on June 04, 2015, 01:47:43 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 04, 2015, 01:41:09 PM
Quote from: MJG on June 04, 2015, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on June 04, 2015, 01:20:05 PM
I'll be very interested to know how the club took the feedback from the Rigg, Symons, Mackintosh video and if they plan to continue this kind of communication with their supporters.
They have been very pleased with the response and Sarah said they will be looking at doing more of these and as 1-2-1's as well.
They did want to stress that Sarah had not gone through the questions beforehand and none of it was scripted.
they obviously dont check their twitter account if they were pleased with the response.
Of course there are negative posts, but then no matter what the club does some will always have a go. Having seen the reaction I'd say a very large majority were pleased with it.
People claim lack of communication and moan.
They do a three person interview covering a lot of subjects they moan.
It's just the way it is.
Exactly.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I prefer for the club to do this sort of thing and be more transparent about what is going on than not to even bother with any engagement with its supporters. They don't have to do this, so from that perspective, fair play to them.
And as for relying on Twitter as a source of deciding whether something is good or not, I would suggest that this is not a particularly reliable way of getting feedback. The majority of people will be OK with something and not bother commenting. It's the minority at the other ends who are more likely to comment.
Quote from: Riversider on June 04, 2015, 04:47:50 PM
At the end of the day the video was "responsive" to a growing amount of criticism from the fans, the time for back slapping from the club is when they post something like that in a "pro-active" way,
Every question asked, had been previously raised either on here, TIFF or Twitter,
Call me a cynical git, but do people really think that the panel didnt know what Brookes was going to ask them ? Of course they did.
Be cynical be very cynical, welcome to the Championship. no more Premiership sky money ignore the fans, in this league bums on seats count, and anyone thinking the interview was anything more than a feelgood marketing exercise specifically to sell more season tickets is sadly mistaken.
While the riverside stand news is welcome, it will probably be used to accommodate even more away fans, which along with a full putney end makes us lose any home advantage we have.
Quote from: mikestrand on June 04, 2015, 06:25:39 PM
Quote from: Riversider on June 04, 2015, 04:47:50 PM
At the end of the day the video was "responsive" to a growing amount of criticism from the fans, the time for back slapping from the club is when they post something like that in a "pro-active" way,
Every question asked, had been previously raised either on here, TIFF or Twitter,
Call me a cynical git, but do people really think that the panel didnt know what Brookes was going to ask them ? Of course they did.
Be cynical be very cynical, welcome to the Championship. no more Premiership sky money ignore the fans, in this league bums on seats count, and anyone thinking the interview was anything more than a feelgood marketing exercise specifically to sell more season tickets is sadly mistaken.
While the riverside stand news is welcome, it will probably be used to accommodate even more away fans, which along with a full putney end makes us lose any home advantage we have.
If low cost efforts like that video sell more season tickets and puts more bums in the seats, then what exactly is your, or anyone's, problem with that? That money is desperately needed under the FFP rules. Some, here and elsewhere, seem to prefer that the club give them reason the whine, moan, and complain rather than the alternative.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on June 04, 2015, 06:43:59 PM
Quote from: mikestrand on June 04, 2015, 06:25:39 PM
Quote from: Riversider on June 04, 2015, 04:47:50 PM
At the end of the day the video was "responsive" to a growing amount of criticism from the fans, the time for back slapping from the club is when they post something like that in a "pro-active" way,
Every question asked, had been previously raised either on here, TIFF or Twitter,
Call me a cynical git, but do people really think that the panel didnt know what Brookes was going to ask them ? Of course they did.
Be cynical be very cynical, welcome to the Championship. no more Premiership sky money ignore the fans, in this league bums on seats count, and anyone thinking the interview was anything more than a feelgood marketing exercise specifically to sell more season tickets is sadly mistaken.
While the riverside stand news is welcome, it will probably be used to accommodate even more away fans, which along with a full putney end makes us lose any home advantage we have.
If low cost efforts like that video sell more season tickets and puts more bums in the seats, then what exactly is your, or anyone's, problem with that? That money is desperately needed under the FFP rules. Some, here and elsewhere, seem to prefer that the club give them reason the whine, moan, and complain rather than the alternative.
Their being more open because they have to rather than want to,
which is fair enough, I'm sure Ally and Rigg aren't low cost though.
Quote from: mikestrand on June 04, 2015, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on June 04, 2015, 06:43:59 PM
Quote from: mikestrand on June 04, 2015, 06:25:39 PM
Quote from: Riversider on June 04, 2015, 04:47:50 PM
At the end of the day the video was "responsive" to a growing amount of criticism from the fans, the time for back slapping from the club is when they post something like that in a "pro-active" way,
Every question asked, had been previously raised either on here, TIFF or Twitter,
Call me a cynical git, but do people really think that the panel didnt know what Brookes was going to ask them ? Of course they did.
Be cynical be very cynical, welcome to the Championship. no more Premiership sky money ignore the fans, in this league bums on seats count, and anyone thinking the interview was anything more than a feelgood marketing exercise specifically to sell more season tickets is sadly mistaken.
While the riverside stand news is welcome, it will probably be used to accommodate even more away fans, which along with a full putney end makes us lose any home advantage we have.
If low cost efforts like that video sell more season tickets and puts more bums in the seats, then what exactly is your, or anyone's, problem with that? That money is desperately needed under the FFP rules. Some, here and elsewhere, seem to prefer that the club give them reason the whine, moan, and complain rather than the alternative.
Their being more open because they have to rather than want to,
which is fair enough, I'm sure Ally and Rigg aren't low cost though.
Very few who are worthy of their position will be low cost.
I wasn't speaking about the individuals or what they are paid. I was speaking about the production of the video as an outreach to supporters, answering many of the questions that so many have asked for years without so much as a word on those topics from the club. Of course, what they've given us is what I'd call middle of the road type information. It's what we'd expect the answers to be given the supposed mandate from Khan to get the club promoted. That to me isn't the important thing. It's the "hearing it from the horses mouth" and seeing it being said by those who are in a place to make these things happen that carry weight and get most of us feeling a bit better about our club and the direction it's leaders are taking it. To me, it means far more coming from a video like this than it ever would coming from a quote on some website, if that makes sense.
The club are putting a much better foot forward than they ever have in my short life with them. And, if they are being made to be more open as you believe, I do not care. They are at least doing it which is much better than being secretive. Wouldn't you rather know, regardless of their motivation?
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on June 04, 2015, 07:11:33 PM
Quote from: mikestrand on June 04, 2015, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on June 04, 2015, 06:43:59 PM
Quote from: mikestrand on June 04, 2015, 06:25:39 PM
Quote from: Riversider on June 04, 2015, 04:47:50 PM
At the end of the day the video was "responsive" to a growing amount of criticism from the fans, the time for back slapping from the club is when they post something like that in a "pro-active" way,
Every question asked, had been previously raised either on here, TIFF or Twitter,
Call me a cynical git, but do people really think that the panel didnt know what Brookes was going to ask them ? Of course they did.
Be cynical be very cynical, welcome to the Championship. no more Premiership sky money ignore the fans, in this league bums on seats count, and anyone thinking the interview was anything more than a feelgood marketing exercise specifically to sell more season tickets is sadly mistaken.
While the riverside stand news is welcome, it will probably be used to accommodate even more away fans, which along with a full putney end makes us lose any home advantage we have.
If low cost efforts like that video sell more season tickets and puts more bums in the seats, then what exactly is your, or anyone's, problem with that? That money is desperately needed under the FFP rules. Some, here and elsewhere, seem to prefer that the club give them reason the whine, moan, and complain rather than the alternative.
Their being more open because they have to rather than want to,
which is fair enough, I'm sure Ally and Rigg aren't low cost though.
Very few who are worthy of their position will be low cost.
I wasn't speaking about the individuals or what they are paid. I was speaking about the production of the video as an outreach to supporters, answering many of the questions that so many have asked for years without so much as a word on those topics from the club. Of course, what they've given us is what I'd call middle of the road type information. It's what we'd expect the answers to be given the supposed mandate from Khan to get the club promoted. That to me isn't the important thing. It's the "hearing it from the horses mouth" and seeing it being said by those who are in a place to make these things happen that carry weight and get most of us feeling a bit better about our club and the direction it's leaders are taking it. To me, it means far more coming from a video like this than it ever would coming from a quote on some website, if that makes sense.
The club are putting a much better foot forward than they ever have in my short life with them. And, if they are being made to be more open as you believe, I do not care. They are at least doing it which is much better than being secretive. Wouldn't you rather know, regardless of their motivation?
The jury's out on all three of them as to whether their worthy or not, if everything was hunky dory there wouldn't be any need for this new found openness.
Actions as always will speak louder than words and I like many others eagerly await some movement on the transfer front.
When you say 'the juries out', I hope you mean with the cynics amongst us and you are not assuming that you speak for everyone?
Quote from: Peabody on June 04, 2015, 08:23:52 PM
When you say 'the juries out', I hope you mean with the cynics amongst us and you are not assuming that you speak for everyone?
The happy and content ones can be excused Jury service. :005:
Quote from: mikestrand on June 04, 2015, 08:43:18 PM
Quote from: Peabody on June 04, 2015, 08:23:52 PM
When you say 'the juries out', I hope you mean with the cynics amongst us and you are not assuming that you speak for everyone?
The happy and content ones can be excused Jury service. :005:
Rather live I my world than yours. Snigger, snigger
Quote from: mikestrand on June 04, 2015, 08:06:49 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on June 04, 2015, 07:11:33 PM
Quote from: mikestrand on June 04, 2015, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on June 04, 2015, 06:43:59 PM
Quote from: mikestrand on June 04, 2015, 06:25:39 PM
Quote from: Riversider on June 04, 2015, 04:47:50 PM
At the end of the day the video was "responsive" to a growing amount of criticism from the fans, the time for back slapping from the club is when they post something like that in a "pro-active" way,
Every question asked, had been previously raised either on here, TIFF or Twitter,
Call me a cynical git, but do people really think that the panel didnt know what Brookes was going to ask them ? Of course they did.
Be cynical be very cynical, welcome to the Championship. no more Premiership sky money ignore the fans, in this league bums on seats count, and anyone thinking the interview was anything more than a feelgood marketing exercise specifically to sell more season tickets is sadly mistaken.
While the riverside stand news is welcome, it will probably be used to accommodate even more away fans, which along with a full putney end makes us lose any home advantage we have.
If low cost efforts like that video sell more season tickets and puts more bums in the seats, then what exactly is your, or anyone's, problem with that? That money is desperately needed under the FFP rules. Some, here and elsewhere, seem to prefer that the club give them reason the whine, moan, and complain rather than the alternative.
Their being more open because they have to rather than want to,
which is fair enough, I'm sure Ally and Rigg aren't low cost though.
Very few who are worthy of their position will be low cost.
I wasn't speaking about the individuals or what they are paid. I was speaking about the production of the video as an outreach to supporters, answering many of the questions that so many have asked for years without so much as a word on those topics from the club. Of course, what they've given us is what I'd call middle of the road type information. It's what we'd expect the answers to be given the supposed mandate from Khan to get the club promoted. That to me isn't the important thing. It's the "hearing it from the horses mouth" and seeing it being said by those who are in a place to make these things happen that carry weight and get most of us feeling a bit better about our club and the direction it's leaders are taking it. To me, it means far more coming from a video like this than it ever would coming from a quote on some website, if that makes sense.
The club are putting a much better foot forward than they ever have in my short life with them. And, if they are being made to be more open as you believe, I do not care. They are at least doing it which is much better than being secretive. Wouldn't you rather know, regardless of their motivation?
The jury's out on all three of them as to whether their worthy or not, if everything was hunky dory there wouldn't be any need for this new found openness.
Actions as always will speak louder than words and I like many others eagerly await some movement on the transfer front.
Khan has deemed them worthy. He pays the bills. End of.
There has always been a need for "this new found openness". It took our current situation for those at the club to see that light.
As you say, actions speak louder than words. The club's actions off of the field speak to their intent toward returning to the PL, IMHO. I choose not to ignore these. However, I do await actions that speak to that same intent on the field.
Out of curiosity, when will a report of the meeting be published on FST?
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When you say 'the juries out', I hope you mean with the cynics amongst us and you are not assuming that you speak for everyone?
The happy and content ones can be excused Jury service. :005:
Rather live I my world than yours. Snigger, snigger
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At the end of the day the video was "responsive" to a growing amount of criticism from the fans, the time for back slapping from the club is when they post something like that in a "pro-active" way,
Every question asked, had been previously raised either on here, TIFF or Twitter,
Call me a cynical git, but do people really think that the panel didnt know what Brookes was going to ask them ? Of course they did.
Be cynical be very cynical, welcome to the Championship. no more Premiership sky money ignore the fans, in this league bums on seats count, and anyone thinking the interview was anything more than a feelgood marketing exercise specifically to sell more season tickets is sadly mistaken.
While the riverside stand news is welcome, it will probably be used to accommodate even more away fans, which along with a full putney end makes us lose any home advantage we have.
If low cost efforts like that video sell more season tickets and puts more bums in the seats, then what exactly is your, or anyone's, problem with that? That money is desperately needed under the FFP rules. Some, here and elsewhere, seem to prefer that the club give them reason the whine, moan, and complain rather than the alternative.
Their being more open because they have to rather than want to,
which is fair enough, I'm sure Ally and Rigg aren't low cost though.
Very few who are worthy of their position will be low cost.
I wasn't speaking about the individuals or what they are paid. I was speaking about the production of the video as an outreach to supporters, answering many of the questions that so many have asked for years without so much as a word on those topics from the club. Of course, what they've given us is what I'd call middle of the road type information. It's what we'd expect the answers to be given the supposed mandate from Khan to get the club promoted. That to me isn't the important thing. It's the "hearing it from the horses mouth" and seeing it being said by those who are in a place to make these things happen that carry weight and get most of us feeling a bit better about our club and the direction it's leaders are taking it. To me, it means far more coming from a video like this than it ever would coming from a quote on some website, if that makes sense.
The club are putting a much better foot forward than they ever have in my short life with them. And, if they are being made to be more open as you believe, I do not care. They are at least doing it which is much better than being secretive. Wouldn't you rather know, regardless of their motivation?
The jury's out on all three of them as to whether their worthy or not, if everything was hunky dory there wouldn't be any need for this new found openness.
Actions as always will speak louder than words and I like many others eagerly await some movement on the transfer front.
Khan has deemed them worthy. He pays the bills. End of.
There has always been a need for "this new found openness". It took our current situation for those at the club to see that light.
As you say, actions speak louder than words. The club's actions off of the field speak to their intent toward returning to the PL, IMHO. I choose not to ignore these. However, I do await actions that speak to that same intent on the field.
At the risk of sounding disagreeable its not totally correct to say "He pays the bills. End of" season ticket holders' members, and anyone buying Fulham merchandise are also contributing to paying the bills.
At this present time I'm not sharing your optimism, but hopefully will in the not to distant future.
Any news?
Women,s clothing, no no no not that i wear them, :doh:my wife always has to buy large boy,s or men,s clothing because the women,s range is so poor
please help a poor long suffering husband :012:
Sorry to say MJG, (and this isnt a dig at you) But the reporting back to members, and the length of time it takes is nothing short of diabolical !
Through Twitter and Internet forums we are living in age of instant information, taking over a week to report information back in 2015, is just unacceptable,
The likes of Rigg and Macintosh kindly give you their time as they want to be accesible to the Fulham supporters and they have a message that they want to deliver, if The FST arent careful the Club will call time on this experiment as the reporting back to members must surely be the be all and end all as far as the club are concerned,
Anyway that the reporting time scales can be dramatically shortened going forward ?
Neil who does the minutes has been busy with work and unfortunately has been quite ill the last couple of days so that's why they were not out earlier in the week.
As I have said before we check the minutes between the people who went and clarify with the club any points we need to clear up.
Once again we all do this on a voluntary basis and along with minutes we have a full year review and survey to go out.
Having spoken to Neil today I'm hopeful I will get them out tonight or tomorrow. As it happens I'm off to meet the Met Police tonight in relation to policing at London grounds so depending on what time I get home I might be able to send them tonight.
I will say since I joined the FST last summer I have tried to be more open on here and twitter about Q&A's, I'd say while things are not perfect you are all getting more information than ever before and while I wish it was next day, it can't be given all the parties involved.
Mike
Mike,
The flow of information has massively improved, thank you for keeping us all in the loop.
The reality is that whilst we live in an age of social media and immediate gratification, some things will always take a bit of time and when minutes need to be agreed by all parties then of course this will take a bit longer than an immediate tweet! Patience, y'all...
Cheers
Burt
I second dat...
Some answes to the questions raised in this thread:
Quickpass: Is being stopped, any issues about money owing must be taken up directly with club
Why Kit Symons: No change to the reasons given in the video. All about stability and the feeling that kit was given a tough job to do. (will expand more on this subject once minutes go out)
Season Tickets: Very happy with the sales so far, on a par with last season at the moment and a high take up in the kids offer
The flag: Was mentioned about changing the side pre match, have noted it (But maybe remind me at start of the season to bring up again)
Free cup games: The 15% reduction is seen more of an offer.
Pre match atmosphere and goal music: Did not discuss this time
What was the issue with the flag
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What was the issue with the flag
Someone asked if when it gets unfurled before the game it can be alternated with the other sections of the Hammy end.
An edited version of the minutes is now on the website http://fulhamsupporterstrust.squarespace.com/ (http://fulhamsupporterstrust.squarespace.com/) and members should get the full version on sunday via email.
Thanks MJG
