So todays FA Cup game is one that I want Chelsea to lose and for MK Dons to lose.
I know that can't happen so when I watch the game on TV later I will be cheering for draw so the MK Dons have to play another game.
I have lived in Milton Keynes since 1973, so when Wimbledon were bought out by so called football experts I thought that was the end of them. Milton Keynes jumped in and said that they would give Wimbledon a home to play.
They moved out here 12 years ago. At that time there were plenty of teams in the local leagues who with a bit of money could have played their way into the Football League.
I hate MK Dons with a passion.
Even their supporters sing this song.' No one likes us and we don't care.'
I'm not a fan because of what they represent. If they dropped the Dons I might stomach them a bit more. But the fact AFC Wimbledon are now an established football league club and MK still have the cheek to call themselves Dons is a joke.
IMO they will never be a proper football club but losing the Dons would maybe change that slightly. I hope Chelsea batter them so that their confidence is shattered. A draw will only give them confidence
Well I suppose someone has to live
in Milton Keynes.. :005:
Mince and Tatties.
I live in Milton Keynes, but travel to watch Fulham play every home game.
Have been a season ticket holder for about 18 years. have supported Fulham since 1961.
Come and pay a visit to Milton Keynes.
Quote from: The Swan on January 31, 2016, 06:19:28 PM
Mince and Tatties.
I live in Milton Keynes, but travel to watch Fulham play every home game.
Have been a season ticket holder for about 18 years. have supported Fulham since 1961.
Come and pay a visit to Milton Keynes.
It was a joke Mr Swan.
I'm sure it's very nice where you are..
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on January 31, 2016, 03:21:47 PM
I'm not a fan because of what they represent. If they dropped the Dons I might stomach them a bit more. But the fact AFC Wimbledon are now an established football league club and MK still have the cheek to call themselves Dons is a joke.
IMO they will never be a proper football club but losing the Dons would maybe change that slightly. I hope Chelsea batter them so that their confidence is shattered. A draw will only give them confidence
Your wish jas been granted Dannyboi - Chelski battered them.
It was 12 years ago and the hysteria about franchising was just that, hysteria. The club weren't wanted in their own town so they moved somewhere where they were wanted. Since they moved there MK has got a great stadium and surrounding complex, they've created local jobs and do a ton of work in the community.
But I guess some would just prefer the club die on it's arse than any good come from a bad situation.
P.S - Not my words, those of someone on FT316 (a Facebook page). But I echo his sentiments
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on January 31, 2016, 03:23:15 PM
Well I suppose someone has to live
in Milton Keynes.. :005:
A typical comment from someone who has never been to MK!
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on January 31, 2016, 06:25:22 PM
It was 12 years ago and the hysteria about franchising was just that, hysteria. The club weren't wanted in their own town so they moved somewhere where they were wanted. Since they moved there MK has got a great stadium and surrounding complex, they've created local jobs and do a ton of work in the community.
But I guess some would just prefer the club die on it's arse than any good come from a bad situation.
P.S - Not my words, those of someone on FT316 (a Facebook page). But I echo his sentiments
And they moved to MK Dons to do a favour for the people of Milton Keynes or to do a favour for the supporters from Wimbledon? It is irrelevant what they do for the community and young players. That isn't and will never be the reason they are despised.
Fact is the day Wimbledon was no longer able to belong in Wimbledon or at least London, it ceased to exist. Especially when the name was changed to MK which doesn't represent Wimbledon, it represents Milton Keynes. Essentially they are only able to achieve and do what they are for the MK community because they stole a football club.
Imagine Fulham moving to Northampton and becoming Northampton Cottagers. Would you still accept that as Fulham? Because I certainly wouldn't.
The thing that angers me most is the fact football and the FA have allowed this fake club to mock Wimbledon. I don't believe there is a genuine Wimbledon fan who supports MK Dons and the fact AFC Wimbledon are now an established football club backed and created by Wimbledon supporters makes the Dons in their name even more of an insult.
When they drop the Dons name I will tolerate them. Maybe even come round to the idea eventually. But to call themselves MK Dons is a piss take and a constant reminder that they stole Wimbledon from its fans.
They should be Milton Keynes FC. And any fulham fan who thinks that should be up for debate doesn't appreciate how close Fulham were to being like MK Dons.
Fulham Park Rangers. Know your history
Quote from: Fulham76 on January 31, 2016, 06:40:24 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on January 31, 2016, 03:23:15 PM
Well I suppose someone has to live
in Milton Keynes.. :005:
A typical comment from someone who has never been to MK!
Read the above,it was a joke
And I've often been to MK..
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on January 31, 2016, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on January 31, 2016, 06:25:22 PM
It was 12 years ago and the hysteria about franchising was just that, hysteria. The club weren't wanted in their own town so they moved somewhere where they were wanted. Since they moved there MK has got a great stadium and surrounding complex, they've created local jobs and do a ton of work in the community.
But I guess some would just prefer the club die on it's arse than any good come from a bad situation.
P.S - Not my words, those of someone on FT316 (a Facebook page). But I echo his sentiments
And they moved to MK Dons to do a favour for the people of Milton Keynes or to do a favour for the supporters from Wimbledon? It is irrelevant what they do for the community and young players. That isn't and will never be the reason they are despised.
Fact is the day Wimbledon was no longer able to belong in Wimbledon or at least London, it ceased to exist. Especially when the name was changed to MK which doesn't represent Wimbledon, it represents Milton Keynes. Essentially they are only able to achieve and do what they are for the MK community because they stole a football club.
Imagine Fulham moving to Northampton and becoming Northampton Cottagers. Would you still accept that as Fulham? Because I certainly wouldn't.
The thing that angers me most is the fact football and the FA have allowed this fake club to mock Wimbledon. I don't believe there is a genuine Wimbledon fan who supports MK Dons and the fact AFC Wimbledon are now an established football club backed and created by Wimbledon supporters makes the Dons in their name even more of an insult.
When they drop the Dons name I will tolerate them. Maybe even come round to the idea eventually. But to call themselves MK Dons is a piss take and a constant reminder that they stole Wimbledon from its fans.
They should be Milton Keynes FC. And any football fan who doesn't thinks that should be up for debate doesn't appreciate how close Fulham were to being like MK Dons.
Fulham Park Rangers. Know your history
I agree with most of your comments / sentiments Dannyboi.
But another point is that every other club has to climb through the leagues to reach the Championship. MK Dons effectively bought promotion. Their community efforts may well be laudible but it is in their interest to do so as they have had to develope their fanbase from scratch for the same reason, i.e. little o no history.
MK effectively bought several promotions
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on January 31, 2016, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on January 31, 2016, 06:25:22 PM
It was 12 years ago and the hysteria about franchising was just that, hysteria. The club weren't wanted in their own town so they moved somewhere where they were wanted. Since they moved there MK has got a great stadium and surrounding complex, they've created local jobs and do a ton of work in the community.
But I guess some would just prefer the club die on it's arse than any good come from a bad situation.
P.S - Not my words, those of someone on FT316 (a Facebook page). But I echo his sentiments
And they moved to MK Dons to do a favour for the people of Milton Keynes or to do a favour for the supporters from Wimbledon? It is irrelevant what they do for the community and young players. That isn't and will never be the reason they are despised.
Fact is the day Wimbledon was no longer able to belong in Wimbledon or at least London, it ceased to exist. Especially when the name was changed to MK which doesn't represent Wimbledon, it represents Milton Keynes. Essentially they are only able to achieve and do what they are for the MK community because they stole a football club.
Imagine Fulham moving to Northampton and becoming Northampton Cottagers. Would you still accept that as Fulham? Because I certainly wouldn't.
The thing that angers me most is the fact football and the FA have allowed this fake club to mock Wimbledon. I don't believe there is a genuine Wimbledon fan who supports MK Dons and the fact AFC Wimbledon are now an established football club backed and created by Wimbledon supporters makes the Dons in their name even more of an insult.
When they drop the Dons name I will tolerate them. Maybe even come round to the idea eventually. But to call themselves MK Dons is a piss take and a constant reminder that they stole Wimbledon from its fans.
They should be Milton Keynes FC. And any fulham fan who thinks that should be up for debate doesn't appreciate how close Fulham were to being like MK Dons.
Fulham Park Rangers. Know your history
Well I've always been in the mindset that just because a club moves it doesn't necessarily mean we hit the restart button on their history.
Part of Arsenal's history is the fact that they were established in Woolwich and subsequently moved. Man Utd used to be in the East part of Manchester (infact used to play on the site where The Etihad is now). West Ham are going to be moving next year, but we won't make them start their history again.
Maybe it's because I'm a fan of American sports and it's more common and accepted there. The St Louis Rams are moving BACK to L.A this summer, but they still have the history that was their team in L.A AND St Louis.
If we moved to Northampton, I wouldn't like it (because I only live 45 mins away, so home games would be a hassle), but I wouldn't go so far as to completely cut the club out of my life, say they abandoned me and hate them forever.
Fulham Park Rangers would have been merging with QPR, so that's a whole different story. (Although being born 5 years after the proposal and not knowing the full details, I may be missing something as to how everything would have been handled)
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on January 31, 2016, 06:53:51 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on January 31, 2016, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on January 31, 2016, 06:25:22 PM
It was 12 years ago and the hysteria about franchising was just that, hysteria. The club weren't wanted in their own town so they moved somewhere where they were wanted. Since they moved there MK has got a great stadium and surrounding complex, they've created local jobs and do a ton of work in the community.
But I guess some would just prefer the club die on it's arse than any good come from a bad situation.
P.S - Not my words, those of someone on FT316 (a Facebook page). But I echo his sentiments
And they moved to MK Dons to do a favour for the people of Milton Keynes or to do a favour for the supporters from Wimbledon? It is irrelevant what they do for the community and young players. That isn't and will never be the reason they are despised.
Fact is the day Wimbledon was no longer able to belong in Wimbledon or at least London, it ceased to exist. Especially when the name was changed to MK which doesn't represent Wimbledon, it represents Milton Keynes. Essentially they are only able to achieve and do what they are for the MK community because they stole a football club.
Imagine Fulham moving to Northampton and becoming Northampton Cottagers. Would you still accept that as Fulham? Because I certainly wouldn't.
The thing that angers me most is the fact football and the FA have allowed this fake club to mock Wimbledon. I don't believe there is a genuine Wimbledon fan who supports MK Dons and the fact AFC Wimbledon are now an established football club backed and created by Wimbledon supporters makes the Dons in their name even more of an insult.
When they drop the Dons name I will tolerate them. Maybe even come round to the idea eventually. But to call themselves MK Dons is a piss take and a constant reminder that they stole Wimbledon from its fans.
They should be Milton Keynes FC. And any fulham fan who thinks that should be up for debate doesn't appreciate how close Fulham were to being like MK Dons.
Fulham Park Rangers. Know your history
Well I've always been in the mindset that just because a club moves it doesn't necessarily mean we hit the restart button on their history.
Part of Arsenal's history is the fact that they were established in Woolwich and subsequently moved. Man Utd used to be in the East part of Manchester (infact used to play on the site where The Etihad is now). West Ham are going to be moving next year, but we won't make them start their history again.
Maybe it's because I'm a fan of American sports and it's more common and accepted there. The St Louis Rams are moving BACK to L.A this summer, but they still have the history that was their team in L.A AND St Louis.
If we moved to Northampton, I wouldn't like it (because I only live 45 mins away, so home games would be a hassle), but I wouldn't go so far as to completely cut the club out of my life, say they abandoned me and hate them forever.
Fulham Park Rangers would have been merging with QPR, so that's a whole different story. (Although being born 5 years after the proposal and not knowing the full details, I may be missing something as to how everything would have been handled)
Don't mean to patronise you but any Fulham fan who could accept Fulham permanently without Craven Cottage doesn't get Fulham for me. I would totally wipe myself of anything to do with the club if that happened and just keep my memories because it would never ever be the same and I would never feel the same way. It simply wouldn't be Fulham.
I think comparing a club with an FA Cup victory that was created in 1889 until 2004 with over 100 year history as Wimbledon moving outside of London. To Woolwich Arsenal who stayed in London but just moved 15 miles North with next to no history is a crazy comparison and has no legs for me. Likewise comparing West Ham who are simply moving Stadium across the road and staying in East London keeping the name West Ham United is again ridiculous to compare.
What about Spurs building a new ground or the fake Arsenal moving across the road to the Emirates from Highbury. It is in no way comparable.
And regardless of whether Fulham and Qpr were two different clubs merging makes no difference to the argument. It is actually the only similar example I can think of. Wimbledon practically merged with the opportunity of a club in MK. So which is it? Are they MK, Wimbledon or a combination of both?
Wimbledon lost their club regardless of whether MK Dons pretend they didn't. And that so very nearly happened to us. I was born in 88 so I wasn't born either. Irrelevant.
You know who Johnny Haynes is don't you? Ask any fulham fan how devastating and painful that era was. There's nothing you shouldn't know about it. That's why I made such a big deal about Jimmy Hill when he died because if it wasn't for him and the Muddyman family we wouldn't have a club.
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on January 31, 2016, 07:08:48 PM
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on January 31, 2016, 06:53:51 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on January 31, 2016, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on January 31, 2016, 06:25:22 PM
It was 12 years ago and the hysteria about franchising was just that, hysteria. The club weren't wanted in their own town so they moved somewhere where they were wanted. Since they moved there MK has got a great stadium and surrounding complex, they've created local jobs and do a ton of work in the community.
But I guess some would just prefer the club die on it's arse than any good come from a bad situation.
P.S - Not my words, those of someone on FT316 (a Facebook page). But I echo his sentiments
And they moved to MK Dons to do a favour for the people of Milton Keynes or to do a favour for the supporters from Wimbledon? It is irrelevant what they do for the community and young players. That isn't and will never be the reason they are despised.
Fact is the day Wimbledon was no longer able to belong in Wimbledon or at least London, it ceased to exist. Especially when the name was changed to MK which doesn't represent Wimbledon, it represents Milton Keynes. Essentially they are only able to achieve and do what they are for the MK community because they stole a football club.
Imagine Fulham moving to Northampton and becoming Northampton Cottagers. Would you still accept that as Fulham? Because I certainly wouldn't.
The thing that angers me most is the fact football and the FA have allowed this fake club to mock Wimbledon. I don't believe there is a genuine Wimbledon fan who supports MK Dons and the fact AFC Wimbledon are now an established football club backed and created by Wimbledon supporters makes the Dons in their name even more of an insult.
When they drop the Dons name I will tolerate them. Maybe even come round to the idea eventually. But to call themselves MK Dons is a piss take and a constant reminder that they stole Wimbledon from its fans.
They should be Milton Keynes FC. And any fulham fan who thinks that should be up for debate doesn't appreciate how close Fulham were to being like MK Dons.
Fulham Park Rangers. Know your history
Well I've always been in the mindset that just because a club moves it doesn't necessarily mean we hit the restart button on their history.
Part of Arsenal's history is the fact that they were established in Woolwich and subsequently moved. Man Utd used to be in the East part of Manchester (infact used to play on the site where The Etihad is now). West Ham are going to be moving next year, but we won't make them start their history again.
Maybe it's because I'm a fan of American sports and it's more common and accepted there. The St Louis Rams are moving BACK to L.A this summer, but they still have the history that was their team in L.A AND St Louis.
If we moved to Northampton, I wouldn't like it (because I only live 45 mins away, so home games would be a hassle), but I wouldn't go so far as to completely cut the club out of my life, say they abandoned me and hate them forever.
Fulham Park Rangers would have been merging with QPR, so that's a whole different story. (Although being born 5 years after the proposal and not knowing the full details, I may be missing something as to how everything would have been handled)
Don't mean to patronise you but any Fulham fan who could accept Fulham permanently without Craven Cottage doesn't get Fulham for me. I would totally wipe myself of anything to do with the club if that happened and just keep my memories because it would never ever be the same and I would never feel the same way. It simply wouldn't be Fulham.
What if we built a new stadium in Bishops Park? Is there a certain limit to how far we could move until we 'stopped being Fulham'.
Copthornmike .... be careful, very careful. We bought our way into the Prem. There can be no other description.
Mince N Tatties.
Sometimes I miss the joke. This time I did. Many thanks.
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on January 31, 2016, 07:14:35 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on January 31, 2016, 07:08:48 PM
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on January 31, 2016, 06:53:51 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on January 31, 2016, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on January 31, 2016, 06:25:22 PM
It was 12 years ago and the hysteria about franchising was just that, hysteria. The club weren't wanted in their own town so they moved somewhere where they were wanted. Since they moved there MK has got a great stadium and surrounding complex, they've created local jobs and do a ton of work in the community.
But I guess some would just prefer the club die on it's arse than any good come from a bad situation.
P.S - Not my words, those of someone on FT316 (a Facebook page). But I echo his sentiments
And they moved to MK Dons to do a favour for the people of Milton Keynes or to do a favour for the supporters from Wimbledon? It is irrelevant what they do for the community and young players. That isn't and will never be the reason they are despised.
Fact is the day Wimbledon was no longer able to belong in Wimbledon or at least London, it ceased to exist. Especially when the name was changed to MK which doesn't represent Wimbledon, it represents Milton Keynes. Essentially they are only able to achieve and do what they are for the MK community because they stole a football club.
Imagine Fulham moving to Northampton and becoming Northampton Cottagers. Would you still accept that as Fulham? Because I certainly wouldn't.
The thing that angers me most is the fact football and the FA have allowed this fake club to mock Wimbledon. I don't believe there is a genuine Wimbledon fan who supports MK Dons and the fact AFC Wimbledon are now an established football club backed and created by Wimbledon supporters makes the Dons in their name even more of an insult.
When they drop the Dons name I will tolerate them. Maybe even come round to the idea eventually. But to call themselves MK Dons is a piss take and a constant reminder that they stole Wimbledon from its fans.
They should be Milton Keynes FC. And any fulham fan who thinks that should be up for debate doesn't appreciate how close Fulham were to being like MK Dons.
Fulham Park Rangers. Know your history
Well I've always been in the mindset that just because a club moves it doesn't necessarily mean we hit the restart button on their history.
Part of Arsenal's history is the fact that they were established in Woolwich and subsequently moved. Man Utd used to be in the East part of Manchester (infact used to play on the site where The Etihad is now). West Ham are going to be moving next year, but we won't make them start their history again.
Maybe it's because I'm a fan of American sports and it's more common and accepted there. The St Louis Rams are moving BACK to L.A this summer, but they still have the history that was their team in L.A AND St Louis.
If we moved to Northampton, I wouldn't like it (because I only live 45 mins away, so home games would be a hassle), but I wouldn't go so far as to completely cut the club out of my life, say they abandoned me and hate them forever.
Fulham Park Rangers would have been merging with QPR, so that's a whole different story. (Although being born 5 years after the proposal and not knowing the full details, I may be missing something as to how everything would have been handled)
Don't mean to patronise you but any Fulham fan who could accept Fulham permanently without Craven Cottage doesn't get Fulham for me. I would totally wipe myself of anything to do with the club if that happened and just keep my memories because it would never ever be the same and I would never feel the same way. It simply wouldn't be Fulham.
What if we built a new stadium in Bishops Park? Is there a certain limit to how far we could move until we 'stopped being Fulham'.
Realistically I don't think that could ever happen and I think you're being unfair because the whole argument is whether Wimbledon are still Wimbledon even though they don't even play in London and aren't called Wimbledon anymore.
Bishops Park is not only still in Fulham with the same postcode, literally next door but also an iconic bit of land that thousands of Fulham fans associate as being part of the club. We may not own it but if we're being honest, Bishops Park is part of the club and it's wonderful history and it is a big part of what makes us so unique with our location.
For me it still wouldn't be the same and I would gladly protest, chain myself to the black gates of the Cottage to try and stop it if it was suggested. Craven Cottage has always been Fulham and always will be.
Quote from: The Swan on January 31, 2016, 07:25:52 PM
Mince N Tatties.
Sometimes I miss the joke. This time I did. Many thanks.
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Quote from: MikeW on January 31, 2016, 07:17:38 PM
Copthornmike .... be careful, very careful. We bought our way into the Prem. There can be no other description.
Different point completely Mike.
Yes MAF invested heavily (as other clubs have done so over the years) but my point is that FFC still had to get promoted league by league by winning games and having more points than most / all of the other competing clubs at the end of each promotion season.
Milton Keynes obtained a massive advantage in 2004 by starting off in League 1.
Quote from: copthornemike on January 31, 2016, 08:45:28 PM
Quote from: MikeW on January 31, 2016, 07:17:38 PM
Copthornmike .... be careful, very careful. We bought our way into the Prem. There can be no other description.
Different point completely Mike.
Yes MAF invested heavily (as other clubs have done so over the years) but my point is that FFC still had to get promoted league by league by winning games and having more points than most / all of the other competing clubs at the end of each promotion season.
Milton Keynes obtained a massive advantage in 2004 by starting off in League 1.
Thats another reason why I suggested they stole a club from Wimbledon's fans whilst the new Wimbledon had to do it the proper way from scratch. The more I think about this argument the more angry I get that they are called MK Dons. That fixture earlier in the season was one I was looking forward to ticking off my list but when it came down to it I couldn't give them my money and I opted to miss it. And that is the only time ever I've stayed away from a Fulham game for non financial reasons
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on January 31, 2016, 06:53:51 PM
Maybe it's because I'm a fan of American sports and it's more common and accepted there. The St Louis Rams are moving BACK to L.A this summer, but they still have the history that was their team in L.A AND St Louis.
I can tell you as an American when a sports team up and moves to another city it is not easily accepted by the fans of said team.
I can tell you my father absolutely hates to this day the Milwaukee Brewers who moved in 1970 From Seattle where they used to be the Seattle Pilots. He now supports the Seattle Mariners.
I have also worked with people who have their favorite teams move like the Hartford Whalers from Connecticut to North Carolina or the as you say the LA Rams to Saint Louis. Almost all of them now hate both the owners and the teams and wish them nothing but the worst of luck.
There are a few who are the exception to the rule and still follow the teams they love even though they are in a different state and city. For the most part though they are hated and despised.
Fact is sports teams in the States only move for one reason now a days and that due to the franchise deciding that their stadium and facilities are no long good enough. They want better, new modern facilities. Latest case in point is the City of Atlanta in which both the professional baseball and American football franchises held the city for ransom demanding newer and better facilities. In the end the city of Atlanta gave in to the American football team but held out against the baseball team. The American football team is getting a new stadium that will be a multi-use complex for both American football and a new real football team (soccer). The baseball franchise said bye bye to the city and has moved down the road to another city and county. That city and county are spending huge sums to get the baseball team.
In the end though the local tax payers pay for the teams to move and gain nothing out of it.
If we hadn't been plundered by a previous chairman we would have been very capable of getting there on our own. That is what is really unfair about statements like that. From where we were we were made smaller and worse off than almost any other football league club. We missed out on grants from government to redevelop the ground and all sorts. We missed out on promotion with Malcolm McDonald's team at a time when it was easier to get to the top league and stay there. who knows how good that team could, have been
I had a friend at school who was one of the very few Wimbledon supporters. Possibly the only one in fact. When they "moved" to Milton Keynes he switched allegiances to AFC Wimbledon with a few years hiatus whilst it was being set up. MK Dons is not Wimbledon, end of. They have their own history and continue to make history as MK Dons. People know them as MK Dons and not as "formally Wimbledon"! I agree with Danny to an extent. The Dons name should be dropped as there is now even less of a connection with Wimbledon then there ever was.
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They stole their identity and league status from another club miles away, and the awful thing is that they were allowed to get away with it.
Quote from: love4ffc on January 31, 2016, 11:22:44 PM
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on January 31, 2016, 06:53:51 PM
Maybe it's because I'm a fan of American sports and it's more common and accepted there. The St Louis Rams are moving BACK to L.A this summer, but they still have the history that was their team in L.A AND St Louis.
I can tell you as an American when a sports team up and moves to another city it is not easily accepted by the fans of said team.
I can tell you my father absolutely hates to this day the Milwaukee Brewers who moved in 1970 From Seattle where they used to be the Seattle Pilots. He now supports the Seattle Mariners.
I have also worked with people who have their favorite teams move like the Hartford Whalers from Connecticut to North Carolina or the as you say the LA Rams to Saint Louis. Almost all of them now hate both the owners and the teams and wish them nothing but the worst of luck.
There are a few who are the exception to the rule and still follow the teams they love even though they are in a different state and city. For the most part though they are hated and despised.
Fact is sports teams in the States only move for one reason now a days and that due to the franchise deciding that their stadium and facilities are no long good enough. They want better, new modern facilities. Latest case in point is the City of Atlanta in which both the professional baseball and American football franchises held the city for ransom demanding newer and better facilities. In the end the city of Atlanta gave in to the American football team but held out against the baseball team. The American football team is getting a new stadium that will be a multi-use complex for both American football and a new real football team (soccer). The baseball franchise said bye bye to the city and has moved down the road to another city and county. That city and county are spending huge sums to get the baseball team.
In the end though the local tax payers pay for the teams to move and gain nothing out of it.
By accepted I didn't mean by the fans in the particular cities, I just meant it is seen as common practice
Well said Ray Smith.
All other clubs have to qualify to even get into the lower tier of the league.
:plus one:
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on January 31, 2016, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on January 31, 2016, 06:25:22 PM
It was 12 years ago and the hysteria about franchising was just that, hysteria. The club weren't wanted in their own town so they moved somewhere where they were wanted. Since they moved there MK has got a great stadium and surrounding complex, they've created local jobs and do a ton of work in the community.
But I guess some would just prefer the club die on it's arse than any good come from a bad situation.
P.S - Not my words, those of someone on FT316 (a Facebook page). But I echo his sentiments
And they moved to MK Dons to do a favour for the people of Milton Keynes or to do a favour for the supporters from Wimbledon? It is irrelevant what they do for the community and young players. That isn't and will never be the reason they are despised.
Fact is the day Wimbledon was no longer able to belong in Wimbledon or at least London, it ceased to exist. Especially when the name was changed to MK which doesn't represent Wimbledon, it represents Milton Keynes. Essentially they are only able to achieve and do what they are for the MK community because they stole a football club.
Imagine Fulham moving to Northampton and becoming Northampton Cottagers. Would you still accept that as Fulham? Because I certainly wouldn't.
The thing that angers me most is the fact football and the FA have allowed this fake club to mock Wimbledon. I don't believe there is a genuine Wimbledon fan who supports MK Dons and the fact AFC Wimbledon are now an established football club backed and created by Wimbledon supporters makes the Dons in their name even more of an insult.
When they drop the Dons name I will tolerate them. Maybe even come round to the idea eventually. But to call themselves MK Dons is a piss take and a constant reminder that they stole Wimbledon from its fans.
They should be Milton Keynes FC. And any fulham fan who thinks that should be up for debate doesn't appreciate how close Fulham were to being like MK Dons.
Fulham Park Rangers. Know your history
