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Title: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: ..FOF.. on September 01, 2016, 03:18:56 AM
Great transfer window  :yay:

(http://footballformation.co.uk/team/4231/010916030644.png)

Left back, it is either Ryan or Malone... if there is not much threat there, then I choose Ryan.

I believe Ayite is still injured and Kebano did well in the Blackburn match.

Parker seems to defy logic and continues to work like a horse  :005:

Finally, the lone striker will be a debutant. Smith and Woodrow will have to work harder to challenge for that spot.

Having said all that, I think the biggest changes will be how our reserve will look like.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: OMalleyCat on September 01, 2016, 04:04:20 AM
Very solid lineup going forward,

Anymore insight into the Ayite injury?
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: bmasar on September 01, 2016, 04:08:50 AM
I'd like to see our new Viking in at CB
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Snibbo on September 01, 2016, 04:31:41 AM
I'd like to see our new Viking in at CB
I think he'll be a definite starter, probably in place of the excellent Madl.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: bmasar on September 01, 2016, 04:36:46 AM
I'd like to see our new Viking in at CB
I think he'll be a definite starter, probably in place of the excellent Madl.
I'd like to see them consider:

Odoi   Madl   Siggurdson   Kalas

Ses can be brought on if we need to attack.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: ..FOF.. on September 01, 2016, 05:43:48 AM
Yeah, I thought of changing the backline too but the last match was a clean sheet.

Don't want to ruffle too much feathers too early.

Joka seems to be very proactive in using the reserves. So that is a good thing in letting the new players gel in quickly.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: dannyboi-ffc on September 01, 2016, 08:09:18 AM
I'd go for

                         Button

Kalas       Madl          Sig             Odoi

                 McD         Parker

Cairney          Aluko           Kebano

                       Martin

Subs
Betts
Sess/ Malone
Ream
Johansen
LVC
Jozabed
Smith

I'm assuming Ayite is injured but if fit he makes that bench.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: bencher on September 01, 2016, 08:19:33 AM
Derby fans have been saying Martin was unfit and disinterested this season. If so, he may need a couple of weeks before he's ready to plough a lone furrow upfront. I expect Smith to start and Martin on the bench.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Roberty on September 01, 2016, 08:24:43 AM
Derby fans have been saying Martin was unfit and disinterested this season. If so, he may need a couple of weeks before he's ready to plough a lone furrow upfront. I expect Smith to start and Martin on the bench.

He's got 9 days until out next game
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: bencher on September 01, 2016, 08:30:28 AM
Derby fans have been saying Martin was unfit and disinterested this season. If so, he may need a couple of weeks before he's ready to plough a lone furrow upfront. I expect Smith to start and Martin on the bench.

He's got 9 days until out next game

True, but he's with Scotland. Let's see whether he gets minutes for them.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: HamsterWheel on September 01, 2016, 08:38:38 AM
It's just like the glory days with Woy - we can now field one very good team for the League and a pretty competent but totally different one for the cups.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Whitesideup on September 01, 2016, 09:16:32 AM
I'd like to see our new Viking in at CB
I think he'll be a definite starter, probably in place of the excellent Madl.
"In place of the excellent Madl"  ... why? Madl and Kalas have, as you say, been excellent. So why change?
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Chutney on September 01, 2016, 09:22:19 AM
I'd like to see our new Viking in at CB
I think he'll be a definite starter, probably in place of the excellent Madl.
"In place of the excellent Madl"  ... why? Madl and Kalas have, as you say, been excellent. So why change?

We own sigurdsson and kalas is on loan, I'd much rather we play our own players.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: toshes mate on September 01, 2016, 09:52:56 AM
I'd go for

                         Button

Kalas       Madl          Sig             Odoi

                 McD         Parker

Cairney          Aluko           Kebano

                       Martin

Subs
Betts
Sess/ Malone
Ream
Johansen
LVC
Jozabed
Smith

I'm assuming Ayite is injured but if fit he makes that bench.

I like the look of this.....
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Arthur on September 01, 2016, 09:54:31 AM
We own sigurdsson and kalas is on loan, I'd much rather we play our own players.

Presumably, then, this means playing Smith or Woodrow ahead of the on-loan Martin.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Chutney on September 01, 2016, 09:57:25 AM
We own sigurdsson and kalas is on loan, I'd much rather we play our own players.

Presumably, then, this means playing Smith or Woodrow ahead of the on-loan Martin.

Not the same thing, Martin is our best striker and we have an option to buy on him.

Kalas isn't better than sigurdsson and we have no option to buy.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Arthur on September 01, 2016, 10:07:18 AM
Jokanovic has shown this season that he picks whom he considers to be the best starting XI - irrespective of the previous result.

On this basis, I'm not so sure that the newest players will be introduced gradually.

He may cut straight to this:

                    Button

Kalas, Sigurdsson, Madl, Sessegnon

          Johansen, McDonald

        Kebano, Cairney, Ayite

                     Martin

Subs: Betinelli, Odoi, Malone, Parker, Aluko, Jozabed, Piazon/Woodrow/Smith
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: ..FOF.. on September 01, 2016, 10:38:21 AM
That would be the best, Arthur :D

Myself, I am excited to see the new players perform.

If the next match is a cup match, I'm sure even Jozabed & Piazon will make into that squad.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Jimmy Hill on September 01, 2016, 11:26:19 AM
Jokanovic has shown this season that he picks whom he considers to be the best starting XI - irrespective of the previous result.

On this basis, I'm not so sure that the newest players will be introduced gradually.

He may cut straight to this:

                    Button

Kalas, Sigurdsson, Madl, Sessegnon

          Johansen, McDonald

        Kebano, Cairney, Ayite

                     Martin

Subs: Betinelli, Odoi, Malone, Parker, Aluko, Jozabed, Piazon/Woodrow/Smith

Odoi for Ses
and Aluko for Ayite for me
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Deeping_white on September 01, 2016, 12:48:02 PM
Club just tweeted pictures of Piazon in training this morning, and interestingly Ayite was taking part, as well as Kmac who was replaced in the Scotland Squad for apparently being injured as well. Maybe Ayite will be fit (hopefully) for the Brum game as I think him Kebano and Aluko should be the forward 3 of the midfield because the pace there is bonkers, with Kmac and Cairney sitting deeper.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Riversider on September 01, 2016, 02:19:54 PM
Nothing to debate here, Odoi will be our first choice left back with Kalas at right back , leaving Sig and Madl in the centre,
And that's as good a back four as you will see in The Championship and better than some teams in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Fulhamerica23 on September 01, 2016, 04:02:38 PM
I'd like to see our new Viking in at CB
I think he'll be a definite starter, probably in place of the excellent Madl.
"In place of the excellent Madl"  ... why? Madl and Kalas have, as you say, been excellent. So why change?

We own sigurdsson and kalas is on loan, I'd much rather we play our own players.

Ridiculous. Play the players that will get a result, regardless of parent club. Say if playing Kalas ahead of Siggy gets us 2nd, but if you reversed the roles it would get us 7th, who do you play?
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: fulhamben on September 01, 2016, 04:09:38 PM
Nothing to debate here, Odoi will be our first choice left back with Kalas at right back , leaving Sig and Madl in the centre,
And that's as good a back four as you will see in The Championship and better than some teams in the Premier League.
plenty to debate here. slavisa hasnt used kalas out of position once, not once. so to suggest that one of our full backs, who have all been fantastic so far will be dropped for this experiment, is something i cant see happening anytime soon. our team relies on our full backs bombing on as much as they can. and as such that would put kalas bottom of the list. and just because one manager at a different team played him out of position, doesnt mean we will.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Mokes on September 01, 2016, 06:57:34 PM
If we were to put out our best 11 players I think it would look something like this. It would give Odoi and Sess the ability to play to their strengths.


If we're under the pump and need to sure up the defence you could always bring one of Aluko or Kebano off and throw on Parker, Johanson, Tunni.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: FinFFC on September 01, 2016, 07:07:09 PM
If we were to put out our best 11 players I think it would look something like this. It would give Odoi and Sess the ability to play to their strengths.

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If we're under the pump and need to sure up the defence you could always bring one of Aluko or Kebano off and throw on Parker, Johanson, Tunni.

I think that would leave us too wide open in the middle of the park. I'd rather put Cairney next to KMac, with bit more freedom to go forward and Kebano and Aluko widish, behind striker with strict orders to come to middle when we lose the ball. That way we could actually keep our own end untouched and still have some fluid movement up top, with Martin as target man, if we need to open our play with a longer ball.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: fulhamben on September 01, 2016, 07:14:19 PM
id rather see this   http://lineupbuilder.com/?sk=c6px6 (http://lineupbuilder.com/?sk=c6px6)

Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: FinFFC on September 01, 2016, 07:20:54 PM
id rather see this   http://lineupbuilder.com/?sk=c6px6 (http://lineupbuilder.com/?sk=c6px6)

I'd think it could very well be just this. I'd like to see this too... Although, I kinda feel SJ doesn't fancy Cairney as another one of the midfield pivot. I think he sees there has to be more box-to-box like workhorse along KMac, who I think is bit like deep lying playmaker/holding midfielder?
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: fulhamben on September 01, 2016, 07:25:19 PM
id rather see this   http://lineupbuilder.com/?sk=c6px6 (http://lineupbuilder.com/?sk=c6px6)

I'd think it could very well be just this. I'd like to see this too... Although, I kinda feel SJ doesn't fancy Cairney as another one of the midfield pivot. I think he sees there has to be more box-to-box like workhorse along KMac, who I think is bit like deep lying playmaker/holding midfielder?
johansen or tunni then if its box to box. i can still see cairney doing it though.  really dont see the need for two dms and four defenders. think we are good enough to be more adventurous
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Arthur on September 01, 2016, 07:29:52 PM
I can't envisage Jokanovic using Cairney as a defensive midfielder. It plays to neither Cairney's nor the team's strengths. If Slavisa employs a 4-2-3-1 system (as most of us seem to think he will), to my mind, TC has to be one of the '3'.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: fulhamben on September 01, 2016, 07:33:48 PM
I can't envisage Jokanovic using Cairney as a defensive midfielder. It plays to neither Cairney's nor the team's strengths. If Slavisa employs a 4-2-3-1 system (as most of us seem to think he will), to my mind, TC has to be one of the '3'.
who has said use him as a dm?
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: bobby01 on September 01, 2016, 07:39:53 PM
With the new arrivals,possibilities of 3,5,1,1
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: FinFFC on September 01, 2016, 07:40:02 PM
I can't envisage Jokanovic using Cairney as a defensive midfielder. It plays to neither Cairney's nor the team's strengths. If Slavisa employs a 4-2-3-1 system (as most of us seem to think he will), to my mind, TC has to be one of the '3'.
who has said use him as a dm?

Exactly. 4-2-3-1 doesn't mean two DM's (it could - and at some games, should - of course). You can have one holding one and the other attacking minded.

But to fulhamben's second to last comment, I'd say the way to be adventurous could also come from our fullbacks bombing forward. Even more than they have, thus far during the season. But that would mean we'd need bit more defensive minded "2" in the middle, who are able to read the game well enough to cover them, when our build-up play breaks up abruptly. And at that role I cannot see Cairney.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Arthur on September 01, 2016, 07:44:18 PM
I can't envisage Jokanovic using Cairney as a defensive midfielder. It plays to neither Cairney's nor the team's strengths. If Slavisa employs a 4-2-3-1 system (as most of us seem to think he will), to my mind, TC has to be one of the '3'.
who has said use him as a dm?

I looked at your line-up and Cairney's alongside McDonald in a defensive midfield position.

I can only go by what I see. If he's shown in a defensive slot, how am I supposed to know that you don't intend him to play there?
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: fulhamben on September 01, 2016, 07:56:23 PM
I can't envisage Jokanovic using Cairney as a defensive midfielder. It plays to neither Cairney's nor the team's strengths. If Slavisa employs a 4-2-3-1 system (as most of us seem to think he will), to my mind, TC has to be one of the '3'.
who has said use him as a dm?

I looked at your line-up and Cairney's alongside McDonald in a defensive midfield position.

I can only go by what I see. If he's shown in a defensive slot, how am I supposed to know that you don't intend him to play there?
probably best you go to spec savers then. look again, positions are clearly marked on there. although it has been a long time since we have seen a proper central midfielder at fulham that i can forgive you. who was the last one, murphy in his younger years?
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Arthur on September 01, 2016, 08:13:40 PM
probably best you go to spec savers then. look again, positions are clearly marked on there. although it has been a long time since we have seen a proper central midfielder at fulham that i can forgive you. who was the last one, murphy in his younger years?

Cairney and McDonald are marked with the same code. On the basis that no one would set out a team in this league without a midfield player who can 'mix it' with the opposition, I presumed that both would be responsible for doing so in your line-up.

Even if it wasn't what you meant, it was, nonetheless, a perfectly reasonable interpretation.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: fulhamben on September 01, 2016, 08:22:17 PM
probably best you go to spec savers then. look again, positions are clearly marked on there. although it has been a long time since we have seen a proper central midfielder at fulham that i can forgive you. who was the last one, murphy in his younger years?

Cairney and McDonald are marked with the same code. On the basis that no one would set out a team in this league without a midfield player who can 'mix it' with the opposition, I presumed that both would be responsible for doing so in your line-up.

Even if it wasn't what you meant, it was, nonetheless, a perfectly reasonable interpretation.
yes both marked with MC.  there are quite a few teams without dedicated defensive midfielders. and yes i would expect mccdonald to be more defensively minded, and cairney to be more box to box. but the beauty of two center mids, is it allows either one to burst on and the other drop back. really dont see the need in this team to have two protecting a defensive row of four constantly. our players are young enough and clever enough to know when to go and stay. we are a team that should be taking it to the oppo, not sitting back wait ting for counters. in my opinion anyway
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: FFC73 on September 01, 2016, 09:46:18 PM
I would start against Birmingham, injuries permitting, with: -

                Button
Kalas - Madl - Sigurdson - Odoi
         McDonnald-Parker
Cairney-Aluko-Kebano
             Martin

Subs - Betts, Ream, Sess, Johansson, LVC, Piazon, Ayite

Missing out, Joronen, Malone, Tunni, Jozabed, Woodrow and Smith

My word.  That was hard.  Those missing out could start on another day. 

LVC, Ayite or Piazon for 2 of Aluko, Kebano or Martin depending on how the game goes.  Ream and Sess for emergencies or injuries in defence.

Parker starts because of the way he has started, is performing and captaining the side.  Johansson for Parker after 60 minutes.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: fulhamben on September 01, 2016, 09:50:19 PM
I would start against Birmingham, injuries permitting, with: -

                Button
Kalas - Madl - Sigurdson - Odoi
         McDonnald-Parker
Cairney-Aluko-Kebano
             Martin

Subs - Betts, Ream, Sess, Johansson, LVC, Piazon, Ayite

Missing out, Joronen, Malone, Tunni, Jozabed, Woodrow and Smith

My word.  That was hard.  Those missing out could start on another day. 

LVC, Ayite or Piazon for 2 of Aluko, Kebano or Martin depending on how the game goes.  Ream and Sess for emergencies or injuries in defence.

Parker starts because of the way he has started, is performing and captaining the side.  Johansson for Parker after 60 minutes.
4 changes to the back 4 is crazy man. crazzzzyyyyyyyy. could work, could fail epically. slavisa wont do that
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: FFC73 on September 01, 2016, 09:55:28 PM
Agree it is a risk Ben after such a good defensive start to the season but that back 4 is, IMO, the strongest we have.  If is goes badly against Brum then there are still plenty of games to play to get it right or change it back
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: fulhamben on September 01, 2016, 10:04:43 PM
Agree it is a risk Ben after such a good defensive start to the season but that back 4 is, IMO, the strongest we have.  If is goes badly against Brum then there are still plenty of games to play to get it right or change it back
and i really dont get the love in for slotting kalas at right back. yes he did it for boro. but hasnt once for us. could get it if you didnt fancy odoi, but you are doing it because you presumably dont fancy young sess or malone at left back. two players who have played extremely well for us. would be super harsh to drop both of those out of the equation. and would be detrimental to trying to tie down sess when the time is right imo. plus i havent seen odoi play at left back, and id be personally worried that he would do what most footballers do and thats show the attacker on to his stronger foot. which would be setting them up to cut inside more often rather than forcing them out to the corner flag. thats just natural instincts, in the same way an inverted winger will cut in 80% of the time. but like i said i havent seen him down the left so cant be sure he will do that. but if he does, you run a greater risk of attackers getting  through on goal or winning apenalty if he gets it wrong
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: hopper on September 01, 2016, 11:22:06 PM
Can't imagine Jozabed not being on bench. Our recruitment this summer is so impressive, we are in a situation where several very good players will be out of the squad - which is bound to cause a few problems.

Mad that we signed Jozabed who was considered a considerable coup and that he isn't an automatic starter. Quite an amazing squad.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: love4ffc on September 02, 2016, 12:50:27 AM
The good thing going forward is that with the amount of strikers we have now we have options and can consider new formations.  Will be interesting to see if Joka continues with a 4-2-3-1 or starts a different formation. 
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: ..FOF.. on September 02, 2016, 02:08:16 AM
I would start against Birmingham, injuries permitting, with: -

                Button
Kalas - Madl - Sigurdson - Odoi
         McDonnald-Parker
Cairney-Aluko-Kebano
             Martin

Subs - Betts, Ream, Sess, Johansson, LVC, Piazon, Ayite

Missing out, Joronen, Malone, Tunni, Jozabed, Woodrow and Smith

My word.  That was hard.  Those missing out could start on another day. 

LVC, Ayite or Piazon for 2 of Aluko, Kebano or Martin depending on how the game goes.  Ream and Sess for emergencies or injuries in defence.

Parker starts because of the way he has started, is performing and captaining the side.  Johansson for Parker after 60 minutes.

Yes it was for me  :protest card:

Probably a sign that it will be a good "headache" for Joka too.

At least this is within the coach's control, instead of issues like lack of depth.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: lomotd on September 02, 2016, 07:06:36 AM
I'm gonna play things a bit more conservative than most here, considering some of our new signings are off on the international break, won't have much time to bed in and are reportedly slightly unfit.

This game has to be seen in conjunction with the game against Burton on Tuesday and we're gonna have to use the whole squad over the course of the season if we want to be successful.

Team vs Birmingham:
                  Button
Odoi     Kalas     Madl      Malone
       Parker      McDonald
Cairney     Aluko      Kebano
                Smith

Team vs Burton
                  Button
Odoi     Kalas     Sigurdsson      Sess
        Johansson     McDonald
Cairney         Aluko             Ayite
                    Martin

Comments:
• I've been impressed with Malone so far and am not to sure about limiting his and Sess' opportunities for the season. I rate Kalas highly as a CB, just don't know about him at RB, feel bad for dropping Madl but want to see Sigurdssson intergrated.
• Parker has been immense so far but shouldn't do 2 games in 4 days, save him against Burton. Feel bad that there's no place for Jozabed in either of these squads, bring him on as an impact sub.
• Don't start Martin from the off, give Smith a chance to say 'don't forget about us Gaffer'. Having said that, bring Martin on at 60'.

All these different squads from different people show our new great strength in depth. Let's see what Joka does.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on September 02, 2016, 07:23:55 AM
I'd like to see our new Viking in at CB
I think he'll be a definite starter, probably in place of the excellent Madl.

Madl won't be dropped. It will be Kalas or Kalas will move to right back.
Title: Re: Probable team against Birmingham
Post by: Deeping_white on September 02, 2016, 07:55:22 AM
               Button
Kalas-Madl-Sigurdsson-Odoi
        Cairney-Kmac
     Kebano-Aluko-Ayite
                 Martin

Subs: Betts, Malone, Johansen, Parker, Jozabed, Piazon, Smith