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Title: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Friendsoffulham on March 15, 2019, 12:35:27 AM
What is your preferred 11 v Liverpool? Let us know below..

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Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Moltobueno on March 15, 2019, 07:25:13 AM
Seri needs to start.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Milo on March 15, 2019, 09:15:36 AM
Quote from: Moltobueno on March 15, 2019, 07:25:13 AM
Seri needs to start.

Agree!

We will lose regardless and we have to remember this game is a training match for next season.

Seri for Chambers. Keep MacDonald as he will be here next year.

Anguissa on for MacDonald around 60 mins.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: The Rational Fan on March 15, 2019, 09:33:39 AM
Quote from: Milo on March 15, 2019, 09:15:36 AM
Quote from: Moltobueno on March 15, 2019, 07:25:13 AM
Seri needs to start.

Agree!

We will lose regardless and we have to remember this game is a training match for next season.

Seri for Chambers. Keep MacDonald as he will be here next year.

Anguissa on for MacDonald around 60 mins.

Good plan.  049:gif
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 09:51:08 AM
Quote from: Milo on March 15, 2019, 09:15:36 AM
Quote from: Moltobueno on March 15, 2019, 07:25:13 AM
Seri needs to start.

Agree!

We will lose regardless and we have to remember this game is a training match for next season.

Seri for Chambers. Keep MacDonald as he will be here next year.

Anguissa on for MacDonald around 60 mins.


Why drop Chambers for Seri?
Chambers has been one of our best and committed players.
Whereas Seri ??
Lets try and put up a fight the last few games.
Worry about next season later.
 
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: RaySmith on March 15, 2019, 10:08:20 AM
You've always got to try to win, and play your best team.
People are paying to watch, and cheer the team on.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 10:11:07 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on March 15, 2019, 10:08:20 AM
You've always got to try to win, and play your best team.
People are paying to watch, and cheer the team on.

Totally agree .
Lets try and beat the team that just beat Bayern Munich.
And also derail their title hopes.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Milo on March 15, 2019, 10:13:52 AM
"Worrying about next season later" was partly to blame for this season! Eg last minute signings, lots of loans.

Instead of viewing it as laying down our sword.. why not think of it as an FA cup game of next year's Championship Fulham v Liverpool. Ie, lets give it a good go!!

The earlier we build the better.

Ps it's only one position!
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 10:23:40 AM
Quote from: Milo on March 15, 2019, 10:13:52 AM
"Worrying about next season later" was partly to blame for this season! Eg last minute signings, lots of loans.

Instead of viewing it as laying down our sword.. why not think of it as an FA cup game of next year's Championship Fulham v Liverpool. Ie, lets give it a good go!!

The earlier we build the better.

Ps it's only one position!

Who knows what will happen .
Which players will be here ?
Who will the manager be?
Will some of the high earners be sold?

Play strongest side ,and show some fight.
I believe Parker will feel like this  .
Only at Fulham would  people suggest  we throw the towel in .
Laughable to say treat it like a training game.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Milo on March 15, 2019, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 10:23:40 AM
Quote from: Milo on March 15, 2019, 10:13:52 AM
"Worrying about next season later" was partly to blame for this season! Eg last minute signings, lots of loans.

Instead of viewing it as laying down our sword.. why not think of it as an FA cup game of next year's Championship Fulham v Liverpool. Ie, lets give it a good go!!

The earlier we build the better.

Ps it's only one position!

Who knows what will happen .
Which players will be here ?
Who will the manager be?
Will some of the high earners be sold?

Play strongest side ,and show some fight.
I believe Parker will feel like this  .
Only at Fulham would  people suggest  we throw the towel in .
Laughable.

Switching Seri for Chambers is throwing the towel in? Eh?
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 10:30:11 AM
Quote from: Milo on March 15, 2019, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 10:23:40 AM
Quote from: Milo on March 15, 2019, 10:13:52 AM
"Worrying about next season later" was partly to blame for this season! Eg last minute signings, lots of loans.

Instead of viewing it as laying down our sword.. why not think of it as an FA cup game of next year's Championship Fulham v Liverpool. Ie, lets give it a good go!!

The earlier we build the better.

Ps it's only one position!

Who knows what will happen .
Which players will be here ?
Who will the manager be?
Will some of the high earners be sold?

Play strongest side ,and show some fight.
I believe Parker will feel like this  .
Only at Fulham would  people suggest  we throw the towel in .
Laughable.

Switching Seri for Chambers is throwing the towel in? Eh?

Not playing just about our best and most consistent player for
someone who has done nothing since Brighton away.

Laughable'' its only one position''.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: The Rational Fan on March 15, 2019, 11:32:35 AM
Quote from: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 10:30:11 AM
Quote from: Milo on March 15, 2019, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 10:23:40 AM
Quote from: Milo on March 15, 2019, 10:13:52 AM
"Worrying about next season later" was partly to blame for this season! Eg last minute signings, lots of loans.

Instead of viewing it as laying down our sword.. why not think of it as an FA cup game of next year's Championship Fulham v Liverpool. Ie, lets give it a good go!!

The earlier we build the better.

Ps it's only one position!

Who knows what will happen .
Which players will be here ?
Who will the manager be?
Will some of the high earners be sold?

Play strongest side ,and show some fight.
I believe Parker will feel like this  .
Only at Fulham would  people suggest  we throw the towel in .
Laughable.

Switching Seri for Chambers is throwing the towel in? Eh?

Not playing just about our best and most consistent player for
someone who has done nothing since Brighton away.

Laughable'' its only one position''.

If you don't rate Seri and would prefer £35m for FFC instead, then may I remind you everyone in football is watching the next two games, a MOTM in this game may make your dreams come true (i.e. sell Seri and Anguissa for a profit and reinvest in other players). 
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Riversider on March 15, 2019, 11:33:39 AM
Playing Chambers and McDonald hasn't made the blindest bit of difference, so one of them has to make way,
So then, do we drop the player that is returning to Arsenal in 9 games time or the player that is going to be battling for us next season ?
Only an idiot would suggest we continue with Chambers , truly, what would be the point ?
Planning for 2019/2020 must start now, nothing to gain in delaying it.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Sting of the North on March 15, 2019, 11:39:02 AM
Quote from: Riversider on March 15, 2019, 11:33:39 AM
Playing Chambers and McDonald hasn't made the blindest bit of difference, so one of them has to make way,
So then, do we drop the player that is returning to Arsenal in 9 games time or the player that is going to be battling for us next season ?
Only an idiot would suggest we continue with Chambers , truly, what would be the point ?
Planning for 2019/2020 must start now, nothing to gain in delaying it.

Surely part of the planning could include getting back some dignity and confidence, at least the latter which is something the team is severely lacking at the moment. Good, competitive performances would help in that regard. That could be a reason to play Chambers if you believe that he is better than the alternatives. It is also not like McDonald is new to the club and doesn't know any of his teammates. He doesn't need settling in, and the club don't need to see him play in order to be able to assess whether or not he can be of use next season.

You may believe that I am an idiot for the above opinion, but then so be it.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: The Rational Fan on March 15, 2019, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on March 15, 2019, 11:39:02 AM
Quote from: Riversider on March 15, 2019, 11:33:39 AM
Playing Chambers and McDonald hasn't made the blindest bit of difference, so one of them has to make way,
So then, do we drop the player that is returning to Arsenal in 9 games time or the player that is going to be battling for us next season ?
Only an idiot would suggest we continue with Chambers , truly, what would be the point ?
Planning for 2019/2020 must start now, nothing to gain in delaying it.

Surely part of the planning could include getting back some dignity and confidence, at least the latter which is something the team is severely lacking at the moment. Good, competitive performances would help in that regard. That could be a reason to play Chambers if you believe that he is better than the alternatives. It is also not like McDonald is new to the club and doesn't know any of his teammates. He doesn't need settling in, and the club don't need to see him play in order to be able to assess whether or not he can be of use next season.

You may believe that I am an idiot for the above opinion, but then so be it.

Your argument is correct about  McDonald and Seri, but I don't think anyone can say Anguissa's settled in. And, if you don't want him next season then you better get him in the display cabinet, and opportunites to be seen by scouts don't come any bigger than the next two games.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 11:59:14 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 15, 2019, 11:32:35 AM
Quote from: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 10:30:11 AM
Quote from: Milo on March 15, 2019, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 10:23:40 AM
Quote from: Milo on March 15, 2019, 10:13:52 AM
"Worrying about next season later" was partly to blame for this season! Eg last minute signings, lots of loans.

Instead of viewing it as laying down our sword.. why not think of it as an FA cup game of next year's Championship Fulham v Liverpool. Ie, lets give it a good go!!

The earlier we build the better.

Ps it's only one position!

Who knows what will happen .
Which players will be here ?
Who will the manager be?
Will some of the high earners be sold?

Play strongest side ,and show some fight.
I believe Parker will feel like this  .
Only at Fulham would  people suggest  we throw the towel in .
Laughable.

Switching Seri for Chambers is throwing the towel in? Eh?

Not playing just about our best and most consistent player for
someone who has done nothing since Brighton away.

Laughable'' its only one position''.

If you don't rate Seri and would prefer £35m for FFC instead, then may I remind you everyone in football is watching the next two games, a MOTM in this game may make your dreams come true (i.e. sell Seri and Anguissa for a profit and reinvest in other players).


Can you give me some reasons since Brighton away
to rate Seri? Please tell me.
Sell Seri and Anguissa for a profit!!!
Good Luck with that one
Think it was 25 million for Seri and 30 million for Anguissa .
T.K got his pants pulled down on those two.
Mackay the agent i think  :005:
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: The Rational Fan on March 15, 2019, 12:10:37 PM
Quote from: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 11:59:14 AM

Can you give me some reasons since Brighton away
to rate Seri? Please tell me.
Sell Seri and Anguissa for a profit!!!
Good Luck with that one
Think it was 25 million for Seri and 30 million for Anguissa .
T.K got his pants pulled down on those two.
Mackay the agent i think  :005:

OK, but great game against Liverpool that determines the title can increase Seri and Anguissa's value by £5m each (however low it is now).
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Sting of the North on March 15, 2019, 12:11:46 PM
Quote from: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 11:59:14 AM

Can you give me some reasons since Brighton away
to rate Seri? Please tell me.
Sell Seri and Anguissa for a profit!!!
Good Luck with that one
Think it was 25 million for Seri and 30 million for Anguissa .
T.K got his pants pulled down on those two.
Mackay the agent i think  :005:

I'll give you one reason: Brighton at home. Seri was great that second half. Sure, others were too, but he was the best in my opinion.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: snarks on March 15, 2019, 12:14:59 PM
Actually I think we are better balanced with Chambers and McDonald/Anguissa than with McDonald/Chambers and Seri, it allows TC to play where he is most effective.

For me it's Seri or TC , as I have said all season, they both like to keep the ball moving, and both have a good eye for a pass, playing further back has been detrimental to Seri, and playing wide right is a wasteof TC's ability.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Sting of the North on March 15, 2019, 12:18:47 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 15, 2019, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on March 15, 2019, 11:39:02 AM
Quote from: Riversider on March 15, 2019, 11:33:39 AM
Playing Chambers and McDonald hasn't made the blindest bit of difference, so one of them has to make way,
So then, do we drop the player that is returning to Arsenal in 9 games time or the player that is going to be battling for us next season ?
Only an idiot would suggest we continue with Chambers , truly, what would be the point ?
Planning for 2019/2020 must start now, nothing to gain in delaying it.

Surely part of the planning could include getting back some dignity and confidence, at least the latter which is something the team is severely lacking at the moment. Good, competitive performances would help in that regard. That could be a reason to play Chambers if you believe that he is better than the alternatives. It is also not like McDonald is new to the club and doesn't know any of his teammates. He doesn't need settling in, and the club don't need to see him play in order to be able to assess whether or not he can be of use next season.

You may believe that I am an idiot for the above opinion, but then so be it.

Your argument is correct about  McDonald and Seri, but I don't think anyone can say Anguissa's settled in. And, if you don't want him next season then you better get him in the display cabinet, and opportunites to be seen by scouts don't come any bigger than the next two games.

The first part of my argument has nothing to do with the players in question, but is general (i.e. play the best team on the day). The second part I agree that it is different with Anguissa. However, I still disagree that we need to integrate them now. We have them in training, and also have a full pre-season to integrate them further. I am not worried about the players already at the club not having time to acclimatize, but rather more worried about if we will get any new players in before our pre-season games. The only reason that I could agree with not playing the best team is if we felt that we needed to give some game time to one or two of our youngsters (like O'reilly or Steven S.) in order to persuade them to stay.

However, if it is a case of two players being equally good, I would also go for the one most likely to stay. Rarely are players deemed to be equally good for a given game however I believe.   
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Southcoastffc on March 15, 2019, 12:35:12 PM
Playing for this game alone, not for next season, I'd go 4 4 2 in a (probably vain) attempt to frustrate them.  I'd give Nordveit and Ream pre-match bollockings and hope that Christie and Sess can get up and down the wings as well as bolstering the defensive shape.   Floyd starting up front might spark something (This game is not one for TC or Seri to start IMO)   Cue FFC 0 L'pool 5!

Rico

Odoi
Ream
Nordveit
Bryan

Christie
McDonald
Chambers
Sess

Mitro
Ayite
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: HamsterWheel on March 15, 2019, 01:26:58 PM
Why on earth would you play Chambers AND McDonald against Liverpool? Their game is all about bombing down the sides ad crossing the ball in. Having 2 immobile lumps in midfield won't stop their wingbacks.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Southcoastffc on March 15, 2019, 01:50:34 PM
Quote from: HamsterWheel on March 15, 2019, 01:26:58 PM
Why on earth would you play Chambers AND McDonald against Liverpool? Their game is all about bombing down the sides ad crossing the ball in. Having 2 immobile lumps in midfield won't stop their wingbacks.
Despite the name calling, Chambers is hardly what you call an immobile lump.  And while L'pool's game, IMO, is a little more sophisticated than "bombing down the sides" that's partly why I'd put Christie and Sess as the wide men in front of the fullbacks.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 01:54:58 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 15, 2019, 01:50:34 PM
Quote from: HamsterWheel on March 15, 2019, 01:26:58 PM
Why on earth would you play Chambers AND McDonald against Liverpool? Their game is all about bombing down the sides ad crossing the ball in. Having 2 immobile lumps in midfield won't stop their wingbacks.
Despite the name calling, Chambers is hardly what you call an immobile lump.  And while L'pool's game, IMO, is a little more sophisticated than "bombing down the sides" that's partly why I'd put Christie and Sess as the wide men in front of the fullbacks.

Totally agree. I also would definitely play Christie .
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: bog on March 15, 2019, 02:55:01 PM
I would never leave Chambers out.

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Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Riversider on March 15, 2019, 03:55:16 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 15, 2019, 01:50:34 PM
Quote from: HamsterWheel on March 15, 2019, 01:26:58 PM
Why on earth would you play Chambers AND McDonald against Liverpool? Their game is all about bombing down the sides ad crossing the ball in. Having 2 immobile lumps in midfield won't stop their wingbacks.
Despite the name calling, Chambers is hardly what you call an immobile lump.  And while L'pool's game, IMO, is a little more sophisticated than "bombing down the sides" that's partly why I'd put Christie and Sess as the wide men in front of the fullbacks.

Christie and Sessegnon haven't got a tackle in them, I bet both will struggle to tackle their dinner tonight, I don't see how either of them would stop Liverpool pushing forward ,
I wouldn't have either of them in my side on Sunday, some hate to face the facts, and the facts are , that sadly Sessegnon hasn't been anywhere near good enough to be playing Premier League football this season.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Sting of the North on March 15, 2019, 04:18:36 PM
Quote from: Riversider on March 15, 2019, 03:55:16 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 15, 2019, 01:50:34 PM
Quote from: HamsterWheel on March 15, 2019, 01:26:58 PM
Why on earth would you play Chambers AND McDonald against Liverpool? Their game is all about bombing down the sides ad crossing the ball in. Having 2 immobile lumps in midfield won't stop their wingbacks.
Despite the name calling, Chambers is hardly what you call an immobile lump.  And while L'pool's game, IMO, is a little more sophisticated than "bombing down the sides" that's partly why I'd put Christie and Sess as the wide men in front of the fullbacks.

Christie and Sessegnon haven't got a tackle in them, I bet both will struggle to tackle their dinner tonight, I don't see how either of them would stop Liverpool pushing forward ,
I wouldn't have either of them in my side on Sunday, some hate to face the facts, and the facts are , that sadly Sessegnon hasn't been anywhere near good enough to be playing Premier League football this season.

Regardless of your "facts", I think he have had several good games, most recently second half against Chelsea. Sadly he has generally not been very good second half of the season in my opinion, and seem to be severely lacking in confidence at the moment. He may not be good enough to shine in a really crappy team in the PL, but I have no doubt whatsoever that he is good enough to play PL football. But that is my opinion.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: filham on March 15, 2019, 04:27:21 PM
Quote from: Riversider on March 15, 2019, 11:33:39 AM
Playing Chambers and McDonald hasn't made the blindest bit of difference, so one of them has to make way,
So then, do we drop the player that is returning to Arsenal in 9 games time or the player that is going to be battling for us next season ?
Only an idiot would suggest we continue with Chambers , truly, what would be the point ?
Planning for 2019/2020 must start now, nothing to gain in delaying it.
But who knows what will happen in the summer, possible that Seri will leave and we sign Chambers, not only possible but would make good sense.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: filham on March 15, 2019, 04:40:15 PM
I noticed in the Telegraph this morning that Sess sits alongside Sterling in a list of the eleven fastest players in the premier league but I think he needs to show us more of his pace, he was poor last week. I would start with Sess on Sunday but be prepared to change him at half time with Ayite.

                                                              Rico
                                 Odoi             Ream           Nordtviet            Bryan
                                                       
                                                        McDonald  Chambers

                                             Babel            Cairney             Sess.
                       
                                                             Mirovic
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: ALG01 on March 15, 2019, 05:12:15 PM
Quote from: Milo on March 15, 2019, 09:15:36 AM
Quote from: Moltobueno on March 15, 2019, 07:25:13 AM
Seri needs to start.

Agree!

We will lose regardless and we have to remember this game is a training match for next season.

Seri for Chambers. Keep MacDonald as he will be here next year.

Anguissa on for MacDonald around 60 mins.
#
I think going into any venture with the attitude we will lose regardless is something I cannot cope with. It is not likely we will win but at least go into each match with a plan to try and win. These games are absolutely not training excersises for next season because there is no doubt the squad will look very different next season.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Robbie on March 15, 2019, 05:22:15 PM
Brick up the goal !   

If we try and play football then 5-0 to LFC.
If we actually play strategically, play 4-4-2, defend for our lives and Hoof ! the ball up to our top two... we might just get something.
I fear we will play like the Barcelona D Team .... lose the ball, and get spanked
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: FulhamStu on March 15, 2019, 05:24:07 PM
Quote from: Riversider on March 15, 2019, 11:33:39 AM
Playing Chambers and McDonald hasn't made the blindest bit of difference, so one of them has to make way,
So then, do we drop the player that is returning to Arsenal in 9 games time or the player that is going to be battling for us next season ?
Only an idiot would suggest we continue with Chambers , truly, what would be the point ?
Planning for 2019/2020 must start now, nothing to gain in delaying it.

Totally agree with this, I would play Frank and Seri.

I would rest Sess but would consider playing Chambers at the back, maybe in a 5.

Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: The Rational Fan on March 15, 2019, 05:27:24 PM
Quote from: filham on March 15, 2019, 04:27:21 PM
Quote from: Riversider on March 15, 2019, 11:33:39 AM
Playing Chambers and McDonald hasn't made the blindest bit of difference, so one of them has to make way,
So then, do we drop the player that is returning to Arsenal in 9 games time or the player that is going to be battling for us next season ?
Only an idiot would suggest we continue with Chambers , truly, what would be the point ?
Planning for 2019/2020 must start now, nothing to gain in delaying it.
But who knows what will happen in the summer, possible that Seri will leave and we sign Chambers, not only possible but would make good sense.

However plays for this game gets every scouts attention and lifts the players price.

If you want to sell Seri, then get him on the field in front of TV audience to get high price.

If you want to buy Chambers, then hide him away so no one sees him to get a low price.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: davew on March 15, 2019, 05:31:37 PM
Quote from: Riversider on March 15, 2019, 03:55:16 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 15, 2019, 01:50:34 PM
Quote from: HamsterWheel on March 15, 2019, 01:26:58 PM
Why on earth would you play Chambers AND McDonald against Liverpool? Their game is all about bombing down the sides ad crossing the ball in. Having 2 immobile lumps in midfield won't stop their wingbacks.
Despite the name calling, Chambers is hardly what you call an immobile lump.  And while L'pool's game, IMO, is a little more sophisticated than "bombing down the sides" that's partly why I'd put Christie and Sess as the wide men in front of the fullbacks.

Christie and Sessegnon haven't got a tackle in them, I bet both will struggle to tackle their dinner tonight, I don't see how either of them would stop Liverpool pushing forward ,
I wouldn't have either of them in my side on Sunday, some hate to face the facts, and the facts are , that sadly Sessegnon hasn't been anywhere near good enough to be playing Premier League football this season.
+1
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 15, 2019, 05:27:24 PM
Quote from: filham on March 15, 2019, 04:27:21 PM
Quote from: Riversider on March 15, 2019, 11:33:39 AM
Playing Chambers and McDonald hasn't made the blindest bit of difference, so one of them has to make way,
So then, do we drop the player that is returning to Arsenal in 9 games time or the player that is going to be battling for us next season ?
Only an idiot would suggest we continue with Chambers , truly, what would be the point ?
Planning for 2019/2020 must start now, nothing to gain in delaying it.
But who knows what will happen in the summer, possible that Seri will leave and we sign Chambers, not only possible but would make good sense.

However plays for this game gets every scouts attention and lifts the players price.

If you want to sell Seri, then get him on the field in front of TV audience to get high price.

If you want to buy Chambers, then hide him away so no one sees him to get a low price.



Seri 's price will go down if he plays in front of a TV audience.
He aint good.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: AnOldBrownie on March 15, 2019, 05:46:20 PM
Quote from: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 10:11:07 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on March 15, 2019, 10:08:20 AM
You've always got to try to win, and play your best team.
People are paying to watch, and cheer the team on.

Totally agree .
Lets try and beat the team that just beat Bayern Munich.
And also derail their title hopes.

Fulham lost to a league 1 side that had a new manager.   Anything can happen. 
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: AnOldBrownie on March 15, 2019, 06:06:14 PM
Quote from: filham on March 15, 2019, 04:40:15 PM
I noticed in the Telegraph this morning that Sess sits alongside Sterling in a list of the eleven fastest players in the premier league but I think he needs to show us more of his pace, he was poor last week. I would start with Sess on Sunday but be prepared to change him at half time with Ayite.

                                                              Rico
                                 Odoi             Ream           Nordtviet            Bryan
                                                       
                                                        McDonald  Chambers

                                             Babel            Cairney             Sess.
                       
                                                             Mirovic

Agree with your lineup...but in two full seasons of watching Fulham I've never seen Ryan exhibit Sterling level pace.

That's Ryan Fredericks level pace and he is waaaay faster than Sess.      Sess runs with a gait that is nice to watch...but he's not a burner.   He was slower than Kamara...is slower than Fredericks was...and is slower than Fosu-Mensah.

Heck...33 year old Babel may be faster than Sess.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: AnOldBrownie on March 15, 2019, 06:15:05 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 15, 2019, 05:27:24 PM
Quote from: filham on March 15, 2019, 04:27:21 PM
Quote from: Riversider on March 15, 2019, 11:33:39 AM
Playing Chambers and McDonald hasn't made the blindest bit of difference, so one of them has to make way,
So then, do we drop the player that is returning to Arsenal in 9 games time or the player that is going to be battling for us next season ?
Only an idiot would suggest we continue with Chambers , truly, what would be the point ?
Planning for 2019/2020 must start now, nothing to gain in delaying it.
But who knows what will happen in the summer, possible that Seri will leave and we sign Chambers, not only possible but would make good sense.

However plays for this game gets every scouts attention and lifts the players price.

If you want to sell Seri, then get him on the field in front of TV audience to get high price.

If you want to buy Chambers, then hide him away so no one sees him to get a low price.

But Seri and Chambers have both had a ton of minutes this season.   Chambers missed both Arsenal games and wasn't good until he moved to holding/box to box mid.

Seri has logged more minutes than everyone other than Mitro.

There is plenty of film on both players imo.   Enough that even if Seri had another Brighton I'd weigh his full season of work over his two really good games.   Seriously...anyone really think Seri is going to perfom well against Henderson, Fabinho and Milner?   

I honestly don't care whose in the midfield as long as TC is there.   Unless it's an U23 player.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: The Rational Fan on March 15, 2019, 06:15:38 PM
Quote from: ffcne on March 15, 2019, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 15, 2019, 05:27:24 PM
Quote from: filham on March 15, 2019, 04:27:21 PM
Quote from: Riversider on March 15, 2019, 11:33:39 AM
Playing Chambers and McDonald hasn't made the blindest bit of difference, so one of them has to make way,
So then, do we drop the player that is returning to Arsenal in 9 games time or the player that is going to be battling for us next season ?
Only an idiot would suggest we continue with Chambers , truly, what would be the point ?
Planning for 2019/2020 must start now, nothing to gain in delaying it.
But who knows what will happen in the summer, possible that Seri will leave and we sign Chambers, not only possible but would make good sense.

However plays for this game gets every scouts attention and lifts the players price.

If you want to sell Seri, then get him on the field in front of TV audience to get high price.

If you want to buy Chambers, then hide him away so no one sees him to get a low price.

Seri 's price will go down if he plays in front of a TV audience.
He aint good.

No scout is going to buy him without watching TV, the more that watch him the better chance a scout will like him forcing the price up.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: filham on March 15, 2019, 06:27:54 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on March 15, 2019, 06:06:14 PM
Quote from: filham on March 15, 2019, 04:40:15 PM
I noticed in the Telegraph this morning that Sess sits alongside Sterling in a list of the eleven fastest players in the premier league but I think he needs to show us more of his pace, he was poor last week. I would start with Sess on Sunday but be prepared to change him at half time with Ayite.

                                                              Rico
                                 Odoi             Ream           Nordtviet            Bryan
                                                       
                                                        McDonald  Chambers

                                             Babel            Cairney             Sess.
                       
                                                             Mirovic

Agree with your lineup...but in two full seasons of watching Fulham I've never seen Ryan exhibit Sterling level pace.

That's Ryan Fredericks level pace and he is waaaay faster than Sess.      Sess runs with a gait that is nice to watch...but he's not a burner.   He was slower than Kamara...is slower than Fredericks was...and is slower than Fosu-Mensah.

Heck...33 year old Babel may be faster than Sess.
I totally agree with you , Sess has never looked like a real flyer to me but the stats given in the Telegraph show Sterling at21.68mph and Sess. at 21.69mph

As a modern Fulham fans we have to have a religious belief in all thing statistical.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Facts Not Fiction on March 15, 2019, 10:41:54 PM
We're probably going to lose, badly. What ever we play.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 12:06:40 AM
I feel we are due a good performance and an encouraging result in an unexpected way. Because I would imagine that the pressure is off, because nobody, whether it's the media or the pundits or neutral fans expect Fulham to get anything out of most of the matches that are left.
However, at the very least Scott Parker wants to show that he has the ability and the desire to manage the team to pick up points, it may not be enough, but he and most of the players will want to finish in a flourish and at least restore the belief and pride that they will go down fighting.
No player should want to continue to be shown to be second best every week and be humiliated, especially when there are millions watching on TV.
As I say the pressure should be off, it's how the players apply themselves, and how the coach sets them up.
Of course it looks daunting when you imagine them going toe to toe with Liverpool for instance.
But it's all on the day.
After losing 6 in a row, and only collecting 3 points in the last possible 30, it's time for a change of fortune, surely confidence can't be that low, and surely the team and the players cannot be so bad that we cannot win another match in our remaining 8 matches.
Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: The Rational Fan on March 17, 2019, 02:13:14 AM
Quote from: Riversider on March 15, 2019, 11:33:39 AM
Playing Chambers and McDonald hasn't made the blindest bit of difference, so one of them has to make way,
So then, do we drop the player that is returning to Arsenal in 9 games time or the player that is going to be battling for us next season ?
Only an idiot would suggest we continue with Chambers , truly, what would be the point ?
Planning for 2019/2020 must start now, nothing to gain in delaying it.

Fulham needs to bounce back to the Premier League, and it needs to be 75% of Fulham's focus and the other 25% should be getting good prices for players leaving, results don't matter. No use winning with players other teams own and will take back, only to leave a huge vaccum next year like Fredricks and Targett did. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/05/17/teams-now-bounce-back-premier-league-first-season-not/

The first 8 games next season are some of the most important in our history. I am convinced if we are topping the table after 8 games, we will be ok til Christmas, winter transfers will add subsititute depth and we will get an automatic promotion. If we are in the lower half of the table our premier league players will be trying to get out in the winter transfer window and the PL dream is probably over for a while.

Title: Re: Team v Liverpool
Post by: Riversider on March 17, 2019, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Riversider on March 15, 2019, 03:55:16 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 15, 2019, 01:50:34 PM
Quote from: HamsterWheel on March 15, 2019, 01:26:58 PM
Why on earth would you play Chambers AND McDonald against Liverpool? Their game is all about bombing down the sides ad crossing the ball in. Having 2 immobile lumps in midfield won't stop their wingbacks.
Despite the name calling, Chambers is hardly what you call an immobile lump.  And while L'pool's game, IMO, is a little more sophisticated than "bombing down the sides" that's partly why I'd put Christie and Sess as the wide men in front of the fullbacks.

Christie and Sessegnon haven't got a tackle in them, I bet both will struggle to tackle their dinner tonight, I don't see how either of them would stop Liverpool pushing forward ,
I wouldn't have either of them in my side on Sunday, some hate to face the facts, and the facts are , that sadly Sessegnon hasn't been anywhere near good enough to be playing Premier League football this season.

I'm no Parker fan, but I'm delighted that changes have been made (even though it's rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic)
Dropping Sessegnon and breaking up the failed Chambers / McDonald combo is also the right thing to do so I take my hat off to Parker for at least trying.