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Title: When did
Post by: H4usuallysitting on June 07, 2019, 07:49:24 PM
Reach out replace contact....educator replace teacher, and matchday 6 replace 6th game....is it me
Title: Re: When did
Post by: bobbo on June 07, 2019, 08:04:32 PM
I'm with you mate. I can only say we probably said an say things our parents thought the same,
Classic example my daughter , lived in OZ for 23 years now and on the deli counter sham asks can I get some cheese , prawns etc , not can I have.
VERY ANNOYING.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Twig on June 07, 2019, 08:05:14 PM
Not only you. I get a bit pee'ed off with these unnecessary revisions of the English language. New words for new concepts I'm fine with but not unnecessary changes.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Burt on June 08, 2019, 08:31:05 AM
My latest pet-hate in the world of business jargon is "let's unpack this", in place of "let's look in to this in a bit more detail".

Ugh.

Title: Re: When did
Post by: sunburywhite on June 08, 2019, 09:08:44 AM
Lets Blue Sky over this
Title: Re: When did
Post by: bog on June 08, 2019, 09:13:27 AM
'From minute 1'....or 'you guys'.....


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Title: Re: When did
Post by: I Ronic on June 08, 2019, 09:58:24 AM
The phrase "enhanced user experience" gets on my tits.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: H4usuallysitting on June 08, 2019, 10:00:17 AM
Gig economy replace exploitation
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Holders on June 08, 2019, 11:13:18 AM
Quote from: bobbo on June 07, 2019, 08:04:32 PM
I'm with you mate. I can only say we probably said an say things our parents thought the same,
Classic example my daughter , lived in OZ for 23 years now and on the deli counter sham asks can I get some cheese , prawns etc , not can I have.
VERY ANNOYING.

Precisely, like beginning replies with "so", instead of "well". That's crept in over the last few years as well and I even hear adults saying it.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Cambridge Pete on June 08, 2019, 11:47:16 AM
"I hear what your saying". Does this translate to. "I don't care about your opinion".
Title: Re: When did
Post by: filham on June 08, 2019, 12:49:24 PM
No Prob. instead of yes that will be alright.

But remember Shakespear had similar complaints with the many new phrases he introduced, the English language is forever developing.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Andy S on June 08, 2019, 01:01:29 PM
I'm sure we all sound like fuddy duddies (eh!) but the English language has always changed/evolved and is able to take in  new words and expressions. It will continue to do so
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Russianrob on June 08, 2019, 02:30:01 PM
"Awesome". I've told people a hundred million times not to exaggerate by just using this word!
Title: Re: When did
Post by: bog on June 08, 2019, 02:59:37 PM
Quote from: I Ronic on June 08, 2019, 09:58:24 AM
The phrase "enhanced user experience" gets on my tits.

If I had a pair that would certainly get on them.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Twig on June 08, 2019, 08:56:09 PM
Can I get a Cappuccino? Sure the machines over there, help yourself.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Dodger53 on June 08, 2019, 09:03:56 PM
Where did 'can I get' when ordering something come from? All our (grown up) kids use it.

and when I go to the bar...... are you all right? yes thank you, just wondering if there was anyone who will serve me a drink!  You could have said can I help you or what would you like but no ..are you all right, where did that come from?
Title: Re: When did
Post by: ALG01 on June 08, 2019, 09:33:04 PM
My fav topic that unites us all
Pet hates
These are my learns instead of i learned
Ahead of the game instead of before
Ongoing instead of continuing
Rosta instead of squad
False number nine instead of smaller central striker
Third man running instead of i am an idiot that does notunderstand football
Epl instead of prem
Cuz
Fam
Bro
Innit
I gettcha
Talking with that stupid croydonish accent that makes kids sound slightly dense
Other stuff too that will come back later
Title: Re: When did
Post by: ALG01 on June 08, 2019, 09:34:50 PM
Quote from: Dodger53 on June 08, 2019, 09:03:56 PM
Where did 'can I get' when ordering something come from? All our (grown up) kids use it.

and when I go to the bar...... are you all right? yes thank you, just wondering if there was anyone who will serve me a drink!  You could have said can I help you or what would you like but no ..are you all right, where did that come from?

Can i get is a massive pet hate.... please may i have is so much nicer

Are we all getting old and cantankerous
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on June 08, 2019, 11:06:05 PM
 " This ", what on earth does that mean, has the world left me behind.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Andy S on June 09, 2019, 12:10:19 AM
You lot are a bunch of misery's. Live and let live I say it makes life much easier
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Herbie on June 09, 2019, 08:07:34 AM
Quote from: Dodger53 on June 08, 2019, 09:03:56 PM
Where did 'can I get' when ordering something come from? All our (grown up) kids use it.

and when I go to the bar...... are you all right? yes thank you, just wondering if there was anyone who will serve me a drink!  You could have said can I help you or what would you like but no ..are you all right, where did that come from?

I wonder if it evolved from mirroring the question "what can I get for you?".
Title: Re: When did
Post by: OldBrownShoe on June 09, 2019, 08:39:43 AM
I dislike when many male footballers usually manage to throw in "...like I say.." to many of their interviews or when young people constantly use the word "like". By young people I don't mean Michael Gove. Snort, snort!  092.gif
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Holders on June 09, 2019, 10:44:44 AM
"Underway" when they mean under way (even the BBC does it). It comes from vessels making way - hence giving way etc.

"Instore" when they mean in the shop. The store is out the back and it's no use out there.

Jumping "out the window" when they mean out of the window.

"If I was" rather than if I were.

"Should of" when they mean should have.

They're/their/there

You're/your

Graham Norton.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Lighthouse on June 09, 2019, 02:09:08 PM
As long as you are being understood I see no problem with the evolution of language. Although I still shiver when somebody pronounces the letter 'H' as Haitch and not Aitch. Language changes and expressions are different in different parts of one Country let alone further afield. SO, live and let live.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Cornishnick on June 09, 2019, 07:58:38 PM
'Stand out' performer instead of outstanding. ggrrr!
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Cornishnick on June 09, 2019, 08:01:43 PM
Oh and another one;  when asking after someones health. "How are you today" - "Good thanks" 
I wasn't asking where you are on the moral compass, it was an equiry about your personal health.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: kiwian on June 10, 2019, 04:59:45 AM
moving forward, offshore, at this point in time-that's enough for now
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Southdowns White on June 10, 2019, 08:46:37 AM
When people use "So, it was Like actually" then go on to describe what happened and also when discussing a project with a customer at work they say "Can WE do the math on this one" when what they really mean is can you please work out some prices for me. When did math replace maths?
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Camel Club on June 10, 2019, 09:00:42 AM
Moving forward I hope the cohort of individuals who represent Fulham on the field of play next season can show the resilience required to achieve promotion.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Holders on June 10, 2019, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: Cornishnick on June 09, 2019, 08:01:43 PM
Oh and another one;  when asking after someones health. "How are you today" - "Good thanks" 
I wasn't asking where you are on the moral compass, it was an equiry about your personal health.

Good one, rather like misuse of "if" and "whether". 
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Peabody on June 10, 2019, 11:15:22 AM
What about Soccer instead of Football. Or Off Season instead of close season
Title: Re: When did
Post by: bobbo on June 10, 2019, 12:26:36 PM
Quote from: Andy S on June 09, 2019, 12:10:19 AM
You lot are a bunch of misery's. Live and let live I say it makes life much easier
youre outvoted Andy sorry mate there's too many old miseries don't like it. But we all probably not got loads of years left that's why 😜😜😜
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Burt on June 10, 2019, 12:53:04 PM
The word "like" seems to, like, come up every second word, like.

Unless it's just my kids  :022:
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Fulham1959 on June 10, 2019, 12:53:25 PM
'Immersive' experiences (probably 'curated' just for you).  These are over-used rather than wrong. 

'Passionate', 'existential', 'evidence-based' :  all over-used, and I'm not entirely sure what 'existential' means.

'Amazing', 'awesome' :  both mean 'quite good'. 

" . . . and much, much, more" means, "We have listed everything and there is nothing else".

"Yeah, no" is often used in responses by sportspeople when being interviewed.

I've also noticed that 'question mark' is used in spoken reports, etc., when the word should be 'question'

Language is fascinating !
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Holders on June 10, 2019, 01:23:47 PM
Quote from: Burt on June 10, 2019, 12:53:04 PM
The word "like" seems to, like, come up every second word, like.

Unless it's just my kids  :022:

A choirmaster once said that it took him ages to get his choristers to sing "father-like he tends and spares us" rather than, as they wanted to sing "father, like, he tends and spares us".

True story, I believe.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: HV71 on June 10, 2019, 09:02:52 PM
I posted on the pet hates thread that the over use and incorrect use of 'like' was getting on my ample man boobs . Second to this is how everyone is now on a 'journey ' without seeming to move more than a few yards !
Title: Re: When did
Post by: cottage expat on June 10, 2019, 10:48:40 PM
 Like HV71, a pet hate is people putting "like" in front of every other word. "I was, like, trying to like get on a bus when, like, this bloke, like pushed in front of me"

Heard a new one the other day: apparently, in parts of the pc community, the term "disabled" is now offensive and should be replaced by "differently abled". The language is getting crippled.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: love4ffc on June 11, 2019, 12:50:14 AM
My wife hates when she is in a meeting and people ask "where we at with" instead of "how are we doing with" ?
Title: Re: When did
Post by: RaySmith on June 11, 2019, 01:40:37 AM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on June 10, 2019, 12:53:25 PM
'Immersive' experiences (probably 'curated' just for you).  These are over-used rather than wrong. 

'Passionate', 'existential', 'evidence-based' :  all over-used, and I'm not entirely sure what 'existential' means.

'Amazing', 'awesome' :  both mean 'quite good'. 

" . . . and much, much, more" means, "We have listed everything and there is nothing else".

"Yeah, no" is often used in responses by sportspeople when being interviewed.

I've also noticed that 'question mark' is used in spoken reports, etc., when the word should be 'question'

Language is fascinating !

I think of 'existential' with a type of philosophy, Existentialism, associated with the post-war era, and the 50's, with the likes of John - Paul Sartre sitting in Parisian  cafes  drinking coffee and talking about individual freedom and the meaning of life, while smoking  strong fags, but today it just seems to mean 'existing'. An existential threat is just an existing threat, I think.

Nothing to do with Existentialist philosophy anyway, I don't think, which has confused me, and jars with me a bit.

But, as you say language is fascinating, and evolves all the time.

The tendency today seems to be to use a lot of flowery words, as you say, when simple language  would convey your meaning far more clearly. I prefer prefer straightforward, precise language. Why use existential if you just mean that something exists, for example?
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Holders on June 11, 2019, 09:53:06 AM
Quote from: love4ffc on June 11, 2019, 12:50:14 AM
My wife hates when she is in a meeting and people ask "where we at with" instead of "how are we doing with" ?

Or even "where are we with...".

"Meeting with" instead of meeting, "talking with" instead of talking to.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Holders on June 11, 2019, 09:55:13 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on June 11, 2019, 01:40:37 AM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on June 10, 2019, 12:53:25 PM
'Immersive' experiences (probably 'curated' just for you).  These are over-used rather than wrong. 

'Passionate', 'existential', 'evidence-based' :  all over-used, and I'm not entirely sure what 'existential' means.

'Amazing', 'awesome' :  both mean 'quite good'. 

" . . . and much, much, more" means, "We have listed everything and there is nothing else".

"Yeah, no" is often used in responses by sportspeople when being interviewed.

I've also noticed that 'question mark' is used in spoken reports, etc., when the word should be 'question'

Language is fascinating !

I think of 'existential' with a type of philosophy, Existentialism, associated with the post-war era, and the 50's, with the likes of John - Paul Sartre sitting in Parisian  cafes  drinking coffee and talking about individual freedom and the meaning of life, while smoking  strong fags, but today it just seems to mean 'existing'. An existential threat is just an existing threat, I think.

Nothing to do with Existentialist philosophy anyway, I don't think, which has confused me, and jars with me a bit.

But, as you say language is fascinating, and evolves all the time.

The tendency today seems to be to use a lot of flowery words, as you say, when simple language  would convey your meaning far more clearly. I prefer prefer straightforward, precise language. Why use existential if you just mean that something exists, for example?


I've understood an existential threat to mean a fundamental threat to the existence of something. E.g. climate change is an existential threat to the polar ice-caps.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: RaySmith on June 11, 2019, 10:20:09 AM
Why not just say a threat to their continuing existence?
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Holders on June 11, 2019, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on June 11, 2019, 10:20:09 AM
Why not just say a threat to their continuing existence?

Less words?
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Fulham1959 on June 11, 2019, 03:36:06 PM
Quote from: Holders on June 11, 2019, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on June 11, 2019, 10:20:09 AM
Why not just say a threat to their continuing existence?

Less words?

Or fewer words.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Holders on June 11, 2019, 05:07:33 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on June 11, 2019, 03:36:06 PM
Quote from: Holders on June 11, 2019, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on June 11, 2019, 10:20:09 AM
Why not just say a threat to their continuing existence?

Less words?

Or fewer words.

Touche'!
Title: Re: When did
Post by: abfg on June 11, 2019, 06:07:11 PM
People saying yourself or myself as a polite version of me or you. They mean different things!!
Title: Re: When did
Post by: ALG01 on June 11, 2019, 10:42:31 PM
the oft used
revert back
should just be
revert
because revert back is a double negative
Title: Re: When did
Post by: kiwian on June 12, 2019, 05:02:13 AM
You are not wrong.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: LittleErn on June 12, 2019, 11:17:26 AM
Quote from: Holders on June 08, 2019, 11:13:18 AM
Quote from: bobbo on June 07, 2019, 08:04:32 PM
I'm with you mate. I can only say we probably said an say things our parents thought the same,
Classic example my daughter , lived in OZ for 23 years now and on the deli counter sham asks can I get some cheese , prawns etc , not can I have.
VERY ANNOYING.

Precisely, like beginning replies with "so", instead of "well". That's crept in over the last few years as well and I even hear adults saying it.

Agreed wholeheartedly - to me it is condescending, as if what is about to be said follows automatically and must be self-evident. If you need time to gather your thoughts say "Well...".
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Holders on June 12, 2019, 11:34:34 AM
Quote from: LittleErn on June 12, 2019, 11:17:26 AM
Quote from: Holders on June 08, 2019, 11:13:18 AM
Quote from: bobbo on June 07, 2019, 08:04:32 PM
I'm with you mate. I can only say we probably said an say things our parents thought the same,
Classic example my daughter , lived in OZ for 23 years now and on the deli counter sham asks can I get some cheese , prawns etc , not can I have.
VERY ANNOYING.

Precisely, like beginning replies with "so", instead of "well". That's crept in over the last few years as well and I even hear adults saying it.

Agreed wholeheartedly - to me it is condescending, as if what is about to be said follows automatically and must be self-evident. If you need time to gather your thoughts say "Well...".


Indeed.

I even saw a serious written piece today that even began with "so".
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Fulham1959 on June 12, 2019, 01:23:58 PM
Quote from: Holders on June 12, 2019, 11:34:34 AM
Quote from: LittleErn on June 12, 2019, 11:17:26 AM
Quote from: Holders on June 08, 2019, 11:13:18 AM
Quote from: bobbo on June 07, 2019, 08:04:32 PM
I'm with you mate. I can only say we probably said an say things our parents thought the same,
Classic example my daughter , lived in OZ for 23 years now and on the deli counter sham asks can I get some cheese , prawns etc , not can I have.
VERY ANNOYING.

Precisely, like beginning replies with "so", instead of "well". That's crept in over the last few years as well and I even hear adults saying it.

Agreed wholeheartedly - to me it is condescending, as if what is about to be said follows automatically and must be self-evident. If you need time to gather your thoughts say "Well...".


Indeed.

I even saw a serious written piece today that even began with "so".

That's a double 'even' !

There could be a great variation on the old Hughie Green Yes/No game :  the person would get gonged-out if they started a reply with "so".

I long to hear a radio interviewer say, "Before I ask any questions, could I please ask you not to start any of your replies with the word "so" ?
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Fulham1959 on June 12, 2019, 01:32:36 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on June 11, 2019, 10:42:31 PM
the oft used
revert back
should just be
revert
because revert back is a double negative

Not a double-negative.  It's 'tautology' or, as my English teacher called it, 'redundancy' :  "a phrase or expression in which the same thing is said twice in different words".

Another example is "return it back" when "return" would suffice.  Actually, it's a combination of "return" and "take-it-back", so maybe not pure tautology.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Jims Dentist on June 12, 2019, 01:37:35 PM
We've smashed it------------AAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!
Title: Re: When did
Post by: abfg on June 12, 2019, 07:34:41 PM
Quote from: LittleErn on June 12, 2019, 11:17:26 AM
Quote from: Holders on June 08, 2019, 11:13:18 AM
Quote from: bobbo on June 07, 2019, 08:04:32 PM
I'm with you mate. I can only say we probably said an say things our parents thought the same,
Classic example my daughter , lived in OZ for 23 years now and on the deli counter sham asks can I get some cheese , prawns etc , not can I have.
VERY ANNOYING.

Precisely, like beginning replies with "so", instead of "well". That's crept in over the last few years as well and I even hear adults saying it.

Agreed wholeheartedly - to me it is condescending, as if what is about to be said follows automatically and must be self-evident. If you need time to gather your thoughts say "Well...".

I was told I was condescending once. That means talking down to people.
Title: Re: When did
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on June 12, 2019, 07:54:33 PM
Quote from: abfg on June 12, 2019, 07:34:41 PM
Quote from: LittleErn on June 12, 2019, 11:17:26 AM
Quote from: Holders on June 08, 2019, 11:13:18 AM
Quote from: bobbo on June 07, 2019, 08:04:32 PM
I'm with you mate. I can only say we probably said an say things our parents thought the same,
Classic example my daughter , lived in OZ for 23 years now and on the deli counter sham asks can I get some cheese , prawns etc , not can I have.
VERY ANNOYING.

Precisely, like beginning replies with "so", instead of "well". That's crept in over the last few years as well and I even hear adults saying it.

Agreed wholeheartedly - to me it is condescending, as if what is about to be said follows automatically and must be self-evident. If you need time to gather your thoughts say "Well...".

I was told I was condescending once. That means talking down to people.

My boss once told me I intimidate my co-workers, so I stared at him until he apologised.