Us English used to even laugh at ourselves,and not take life too seriously.... Then along in recent times have come the PC Brigade, Enforcement officers, and loony Council's.
The latest piece of nonsense coming from a village in East Yorkshire which has told a resident to take down the Jolly Roger Pirate Flag that he has in his garden,even the locals all love it and when they walk past his home they all go Ooh Aar.
Haven't these enforcement mob and local councils got more import things to worry about.
Every day you read about the PC mob trying to put a stop to things. :031:
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 10, 2019, 03:04:42 PM
Us English used to even laugh at ourselves,and not take life too seriously.... Then along in recent times have come the PC Brigade, Enforcement officers, and loony Council's.
The latest piece of nonsense coming from a village in East Yorkshire which has told a resident to take down the Jolly Roger Pirate Flag that he has in his garden,even the locals all love it and when they walk past his home they all go Ooh Aar.
Haven't these enforcement mob and local councils got more import things to worry about.
Every day you read about the PC mob trying to put a stop to things. :031:
We still laugh. Soem of us are just being distracted by victim/grief culture that sweeps itself, mostly unanswered on social media.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 10, 2019, 03:04:42 PM
Us English used to even laugh at ourselves,and not take life too seriously.... Then along in recent times have come the PC Brigade, Enforcement officers, and loony Council's.
The latest piece of nonsense coming from a village in East Yorkshire which has told a resident to take down the Jolly Roger Pirate Flag that he has in his garden,even the locals all love it and when they walk past his home they all go Ooh Aar.
Haven't these enforcement mob and local councils got more import things to worry about.
Every day you read about the PC mob trying to put a stop to things. :031:
I've got a FFC flag on my front lawn and passing locals go "ooh arr", but I do live in Somerset [emoji6]
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Books will be burnt and films will be destroyed. Not by some despot or fascist group. But by the victims and the those who wait to be insulted. Who refuse to answer a question in an exam because it 'triggers' a bad memory or experience. Who want books to have warnings on the covers in case the book 'triggers' a reminder of a unhappy past. Who finds Toy Story 4 upsetting because the toy from the rubbish should have been recycled.
Laughing and humour causes victims. No we can't laugh anymore. Not even at ourselves. But we can be blamed and accused. As for being alive and enjoying sit coms in the 70 s and 80s or song and dance shows in the Sixties and Seventies. Tell no one you liked them.
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Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 10, 2019, 03:04:42 PM
Us English used to even laugh at ourselves,and not take life too seriously.... Then along in recent times have come the PC Brigade, Enforcement officers, and loony Council's.
The latest piece of nonsense coming from a village in East Yorkshire which has told a resident to take down the Jolly Roger Pirate Flag that he has in his garden,even the locals all love it and when they walk past his home they all go Ooh Aar.
Haven't these enforcement mob and local councils got more import things to worry about.
Every day you read about the PC mob trying to put a stop to things. :031:
I've got a FFC flag on my front lawn and passing locals go "ooh arr", but I do live in Somerset [emoji6]
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lol...🙋
Quote from: Lighthouse on July 10, 2019, 03:37:17 PM
Books will be burnt and films will be destroyed. Not by some despot or fascist group. But by the victims and the those who wait to be insulted. Who refuse to answer a question in an exam because it 'triggers' a bad memory or experience. Who want books to have warnings on the covers in case the book 'triggers' a reminder of a unhappy past. Who finds Toy Story 4 upsetting because the toy from the rubbish should have been recycled.
Laughing and humour causes victims. No we can't laugh anymore. Not even at ourselves. But we can be blamed and accused. As for being alive and enjoying sit coms in the 70 s and 80s or song and dance shows in the Sixties and Seventies. Tell no one you liked them.
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Nicholas Lyndhurst (Rodney in Fools n Horses) stated that they wouldn't be able to film certain episodes if it were made today,like saying "Paddy the Greek" who they often referred to.....Ridiculous.
Benny Hill, Alf Garnett wouldn´t get a minute of TV time these days. I watch them on YouTube so I can keep laughing.
Yeh it's all gone too PC. A line had to be drawn with the likes of Love Thy Neighbour and the fat northern comedian whose name escapes me, but it's all too ultra sensitive now. I'm Irish but I miss good Irish jokes. It's just a laugh. Don't take life so seriously [emoji16]
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Quote from: Vinnieffc on July 10, 2019, 04:13:29 PM
Yeh it's all gone too PC. A line had to be drawn with the likes of Love Thy Neighbour and the fat northern comedian whose name escapes me, but it's all too ultra sensitive now. I'm Irish but I miss good Irish jokes. It's just a laugh. Don't take life so seriously [emoji16]
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And its the Irish who make the jokes up.
Can laugh at themselves.👍
Surprise the BBC have'nt stopped showing Dads Army.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 10, 2019, 03:37:31 PM
Quote from: Vinnieffc on July 10, 2019, 03:29:26 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 10, 2019, 03:04:42 PM
Us English used to even laugh at ourselves,and not take life too seriously.... Then along in recent times have come the PC Brigade, Enforcement officers, and loony Council's.
The latest piece of nonsense coming from a village in East Yorkshire which has told a resident to take down the Jolly Roger Pirate Flag that he has in his garden,even the locals all love it and when they walk past his home they all go Ooh Aar.
Haven't these enforcement mob and local councils got more import things to worry about.
Every day you read about the PC mob trying to put a stop to things. :031:
I've got a FFC flag on my front lawn and passing locals go "ooh arr", but I do live in Somerset [emoji6]
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lol...🙋
Now some people will say this enforces a stereotype of people from the West Country and isn't funny. Me i don't care does that make me a bad person?
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Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 10, 2019, 03:37:31 PM
Quote from: Vinnieffc on July 10, 2019, 03:29:26 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 10, 2019, 03:04:42 PM
Us English used to even laugh at ourselves,and not take life too seriously.... Then along in recent times have come the PC Brigade, Enforcement officers, and loony Council's.
The latest piece of nonsense coming from a village in East Yorkshire which has told a resident to take down the Jolly Roger Pirate Flag that he has in his garden,even the locals all love it and when they walk past his home they all go Ooh Aar.
Haven't these enforcement mob and local councils got more import things to worry about.
Every day you read about the PC mob trying to put a stop to things. :031:
I've got a FFC flag on my front lawn and passing locals go "ooh arr", but I do live in Somerset [emoji6]
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lol...[emoji137]
Now some people will say this enforces a stereotype of people from the West Country and isn't funny. Me i don't care does that make me a bad person?
I think stereotypes are funny if not taken seriously. I like the 'Tik Oirishman' stereotype. We do it in Ireland - same jokes but the Kerryman is the recepient. Reality is myself and many of my Irish compatriots are Uni educated and far from stupid (well academically at least), and understand when a joke is a joke...
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I think the story was in the sun and it ,ay just be a planning consent issue. Who knows? There are stupid rules for everything.
Quote from: ALG01 on July 10, 2019, 04:40:46 PM
I think the story was in the sun and it ,ay just be a planning consent issue. Who knows? There are stupid rules for everything.
Planning permission to fly a little flag.lol
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Quote from: ALG01 on July 10, 2019, 04:40:46 PM
I think the story was in the sun and it ,ay just be a planning consent issue. Who knows? There are stupid rules for everything.
Planning permission to fly a little flag.lol
Just an aside, my house in Somerset is called Badger Run, because we have a protected one in the back garden. I didn't name the house - it was already named that when I bought it. But I keep this secret from FFC in case they do me for breach of copyright [emoji6]
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One day life will hit these people raising these non-issues and they will realise how sheltered and fragile they've made themselves. I will have no sympathy.
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on July 10, 2019, 05:00:09 PM
One day life will hit these people raising these non-issues and they will realise how sheltered and fragile they've made themselves. I will have no sympathy.
My monies on a zombie apocalypse.
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Quote from: Sgt Fulham on July 10, 2019, 05:00:09 PM
One day life will hit these people raising these non-issues and they will realise how sheltered and fragile they've made themselves. I will have no sympathy.
My monies on a zombie apocalypse.
That would be interesting but a demanding results-driven boss would send these snowflakes into the same meltdown.
It's one of mankind's consistent failings.. specialising to a point you lose track of why you're specialising or to a point you lose yourself in the detail and what actually either matters or having to become so objectively focused you lose perspective.
People and industry to justify their jobs create more work to make themselves feel validated.
It happens with the downfalls of colony's to local communities... because it always ends up with overextending yourself or annoying the common sense quotient of people whos aim is to find a healthy balance.
I read two 'revealing' stories today of relevance to this thread.
One was about a kid's playground in Holland that has been permanently shut because of the noise of the kids enjoying themselves ...
The other was about climate scientists having nervous breakdowns, depressions, anxiety and panic attacks and general poor mental health. All of the sufferers are acknowledged climate alarmists. The healthy climates scientists appear to be those who remain unconvinced that we have sufficient knowledge of the science involved to be able to know what is happening next week let alone in a decade's time, and those who know just how many untruths and lies have been told to get us to where we are.
We are being taken for a sucker culture. I am afraid that with political correctness they are driving us, and will continue to drive us, up our own exhaust pipes and oblivion. But choose Heaven for the climate and Hell for the company ...
The Girls School in Bury Lancs,that can't call it Girls school anymore,even though the 500+ pupils are all girls...lol
I am really enjoying watching a lot of those good old films from the fifties and sixties on channel 81 but am puzzled that most of them carry a warning saying that people may be offended by the content as attitudes were different when the films were made. I just can't see anything offensive in them.
It's part of the reason I'm no longer on any social media. The amount of people taking offence over the smallest of things is ridiculous.
Some need to read "the boy who cried wolf" and come back to reality.
It's similar to those that spend £100000s on a house near a football stadium and then complain that it's busy on a match day. You knew the stadium was there and in use, why buy the place!!
The Black and White Minstrel Show!
Love Thy Neighbour!
Loved them both, there I've said it and I'm a very bad person! 064.gif
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on July 10, 2019, 07:11:40 PM
The Black and White Minstrel Show!
Love Thy Neighbour!
Loved them both, there I've said it and I'm a very bad person! 064.gif
That's 100 lines for You.
"I must not be caught Laughing".😝
Anyone remember Curry and Chips , with Spike Milligan and Eric Sykes , late 1960s I think ?
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on July 10, 2019, 07:11:40 PM
The Black and White Minstrel Show!
Love Thy Neighbour!
Loved them both, there I've said it and I'm a very bad person! 064.gif
My Mum loved the Black and White Minstrel show. We bought albums for Christmas. Probably still have them. Yes I am a bad person. No doubt somebody has had an emotion triggered somewhere.
Quote from: Dr Know on July 10, 2019, 07:55:06 PM
Anyone remember Curry and Chips , with Spike Milligan and Eric Sykes , late 1960s I think ?
I remember it being awful. But don't think it lasted beyond a series. Was right at the end of the 60s I think. Mind you loved Sykes and Milligan in their own series.
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Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 10, 2019, 04:42:06 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 10, 2019, 04:40:46 PM
I think the story was in the sun and it ,ay just be a planning consent issue. Who knows? There are stupid rules for everything.
Planning permission to fly a little flag.lol
I do not know the context of the whole story but know the sun make stuff up. As i understand it you van erect a flagpole to fly the union flaf for free, no planning consent. A fkag for other purposesmay be subject to needing consent, say for advertising purposes... just as you do placing an advertising hording on your land. I am merely saying the source may have been economic with details for us to fully evaluate the situation.
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Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on July 10, 2019, 07:11:40 PM
The Black and White Minstrel Show!
Love Thy Neighbour!
Loved them both, there I've said it and I'm a very bad person! 064.gif
I know you mean it light heartedly but even as a child i thought both programmes bizzare and in poor taste. I saw no logic to watchingwhite men blacked up and then singing. Love thy neighbour was just awful writing and actinng, laugh? I never did.
The Carry On films
I am increasingly concerned that we think we are building a cage to lock all the bad stuff in but in fact the cage is being built around us with us inside. The desire to rewrite history, to ban expression of ideas, to ban books, films and plays and to prosecute people who "offend" our worldview is playing out the world as warned by Orwell (1984) and Kafka (the Trial). Context is abandoned and everything is reacted to in a knee jerk way with groups running around social media with metaphorical pitchforks looking to "string people up" we desperately need to rid ourselves of this victim mentality as we now have the ridiculous situation where evil people claim to be the victims to avoid proper scrutiny. Take Lauren booth for example, she worked for PressTv an Iranian news agency that collaborates in the torture of opponents of the Iran regime but claims to be a victim in this country and a "human rights" campaigner.
So saying that I have a black friend who tells me how it felt having to go to school in the 70's after some programme or comedian laid into "the darkie"s" knowing that his day or week would be made miserable by people repeating that rubbish to him all the time. That isn't funny and I for one don't miss it.
My advice to many people who are really annoyed with political correctness and stories like the banning of baah baah black sheep and change of names for "manholes' etc is....dont read the daily mail.
for those wanting to watch black n white minstrels and love thy neighbour, they are not banned, they are just very dated and ancient. Black n white minstrels was filmed in black n white for gawds sake.
You can get them on dvd. On reflection, you may need to seach for vhs.
Quote from: 70sPimlico on July 11, 2019, 08:49:19 AM
My advice to many people who are really annoyed with political correctness and stories like the banning of baah baah black sheep and change of names for "manholes' etc is....dont read the daily mail.
for those wanting to watch black n white minstrels and love thy neighbour, they are not banned, they are just very dated and ancient. Black n white minstrels was filmed in black n white for gawds sake.
You can get them on dvd. On reflection, you may need to seach for vhs.
What about Betamax?😊
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:blow candles:Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on July 10, 2019, 07:11:40 PM
The Black and White Minstrel Show!
Love Thy Neighbour!
Loved them both, there I've said it and I'm a very bad person! 064.gif
I know you mean it light heartedly but even as a child i thought both programmes bizzare and in poor taste. I saw no logic to watchingwhite men blacked up and then singing. Love thy neighbour was just awful writing and actinng, laugh? I never did.
As a child?
Quote from: KingofCheese on July 11, 2019, 08:00:08 AM
I am increasingly concerned that we think we are building a cage to lock all the bad stuff in but in fact the cage is being built around us with us inside. The desire to rewrite history, to ban expression of ideas, to ban books, films and plays and to prosecute people who "offend" our worldview is playing out the world as warned by Orwell (1984) and Kafka (the Trial). Context is abandoned and everything is reacted to in a knee jerk way with groups running around social media with metaphorical pitchforks looking to "string people up" we desperately need to rid ourselves of this victim mentality as we now have the ridiculous situation where evil people claim to be the victims to avoid proper scrutiny. Take Lauren booth for example, she worked for PressTv an Iranian news agency that collaborates in the torture of opponents of the Iran regime but claims to be a victim in this country and a "human rights" campaigner.
So saying that I have a black friend who tells me how it felt having to go to school in the 70's after some programme or comedian laid into "the darkie"s" knowing that his day or week would be made miserable by people repeating that rubbish to him all the time. That isn't funny and I for one don't miss it.
Very well put. Totally agree, the worrisome thing for me is, that line of acceptable and not acceptable being skewed constantly by the loud minority who seem perpetually offended by anything and everything. It's such a strange culture that I think is absolutely harboured by social media platforms.
You Brit's think you have it bad, we cannot even sing "Dixie" in the USA any longer for fear of upsetting the populous. if you like I will send you the list of cannot does here! Hell, we have people taking issue with honoring the flag of our nation.
I was born in Fulham during the War when it was common for people to keep chickens and rabbits in their gardens. In common with many people in the area my grandparents used to get the help of a butchers from behind Stephendale Road if they needed it to do the killing and cleaning. This butcher was the first black man that I had ever seen and to the whole of the Sands End area he was known as 'Darkie'. No offence was intended and none was taken by this man . Oh for such times now!
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on July 11, 2019, 01:02:17 PM
I was born in Fulham during the War when it was common for people to keep chickens and rabbits in their gardens. In common with many people in the area my grandparents used to get the help of a butchers from behind Stephendale Road if they needed it to do the killing and cleaning. This butcher was the first black man that I had ever seen and to the whole of the Sands End area he was known as 'Darkie'. No offence was intended and none was taken by this man . Oh for such times now!
"Oh for such times now!"? What do you mean? That you want to keep chickens and have them killed by local butchers or you can use derogatory terms for people?
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Absolutely. Seeing some pronounced differences in generational norms. Thought it was a Fulham FC forum. ::off_Topic::
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Quote from: KingofCheese on July 11, 2019, 08:00:08 AM
I am increasingly concerned that we think we are building a cage to lock all the bad stuff in but in fact the cage is being built around us with us inside. The desire to rewrite history, to ban expression of ideas, to ban books, films and plays and to prosecute people who "offend" our worldview is playing out the world as warned by Orwell (1984) and Kafka (the Trial). Context is abandoned and everything is reacted to in a knee jerk way with groups running around social media with metaphorical pitchforks looking to "string people up" we desperately need to rid ourselves of this victim mentality as we now have the ridiculous situation where evil people claim to be the victims to avoid proper scrutiny. Take Lauren booth for example, she worked for PressTv an Iranian news agency that collaborates in the torture of opponents of the Iran regime but claims to be a victim in this country and a "human rights" campaigner.
So saying that I have a black friend who tells me how it felt having to go to school in the 70's after some programme or comedian laid into "the darkie"s" knowing that his day or week would be made miserable by people repeating that rubbish to him all the time. That isn't funny and I for one don't miss it.
Very well put. Totally agree, the worrisome thing for me is, that line of acceptable and not acceptable being skewed constantly by the loud minority who seem perpetually offended by anything and everything. It's such a strange culture that I think is absolutely harboured by social media platforms.
What is very worrying is that people who know exactly what they are doing, such as using quotes taken totally out of context, are using these to perpetuate their own ends. A current one is Boris Johnson's "pillar box" comment. I don't like him (as a politician) and I think he is more dodgy than Flash Harry the spiv as well as having the moral compass as the Borgias, but if you read the piece he wrote that included that description he was actually defending the right of these women to dress as they like. This in opposition to Denmark banning them. He said that to ban them would be wrong "a total ban on face-covering veils would give a boost to radicals who said there was a "clash of civilisations" between Islam and the West and could lead to "a general crackdown on any public symbols of religious affiliation". He may have used words that some people find "offensive" but why choose to ignore the general thrust of his argument which was a call to avoid authoritarian actions? I believe that the users of these words out of context know that most people won't read the original article and therefore they can attack him with it and paint him as an Islamophobe even though they know that they are telling lies. I see it time and time where educated people manipulate the general public because they know that they can get away with it. Farage and his friends did the same this week with our ambassador to the US - they blatantly pretended that what Sir Kim did was somehow disgraceful whilst knowing full well that without our diplomats feeding candid information back to our government they, the government, would be blindsided in the real world. Therefore they want to paint a picture to their audience which is a total lie and they get away with it even though it is an attempt to ruin the reputation of a good servant of this country.
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Quote from: KingofCheese on July 11, 2019, 08:00:08 AM
I am increasingly concerned that we think we are building a cage to lock all the bad stuff in but in fact the cage is being built around us with us inside. The desire to rewrite history, to ban expression of ideas, to ban books, films and plays and to prosecute people who "offend" our worldview is playing out the world as warned by Orwell (1984) and Kafka (the Trial). Context is abandoned and everything is reacted to in a knee jerk way with groups running around social media with metaphorical pitchforks looking to "string people up" we desperately need to rid ourselves of this victim mentality as we now have the ridiculous situation where evil people claim to be the victims to avoid proper scrutiny. Take Lauren booth for example, she worked for PressTv an Iranian news agency that collaborates in the torture of opponents of the Iran regime but claims to be a victim in this country and a "human rights" campaigner.
So saying that I have a black friend who tells me how it felt having to go to school in the 70's after some programme or comedian laid into "the darkie"s" knowing that his day or week would be made miserable by people repeating that rubbish to him all the time. That isn't funny and I for one don't miss it.
I was just listening to musician Nitin Sawhney BBC radio's Desert Island discs, and he was talking about growing up in Rochester at a time of strong NF activity, and how as a kid he would be abused, and physically attacked, after programmes such as Love Thy Neighbour and Til Death Do Us Part had been on , with the same language used - though the latter programme was intended as a very funny satire of a racist bigot in West Ham supporting Alf Garnett, which was how I watched it as a kid, but many apparently took Alf's words about immigrants seriously.
I can see where people are coming from, and agree that in some waays we have become far too easily offended, and even if you see yourelf as pc, you can inadvertently offfend someone, and this often seems completely over the top and intolerant in itself.
Alf Garnett would never be shown today, but to see the world from the point of view of people who do face genuine abuse and harassment, such as racism and homophobia puts things in a different light.
Our society is becoming worrylingly divisive, with even people associated with the 'liberal' counter-culture, a voice of the marginalised and outsiders, like Morrisey, now gives support to the views of a far right party, whose lapel badge he wears on TV.
I was born just after the ww2, in which both my parents were in the forces - my Dad at the terrible bloodbath of Monte Cassino, which strongly damaged him mentally for the rest of his life. Growing up near Brixton, my parents taught me that all people were equal, but i saw a lot of hostility towrds the newly arrived immigrants from the Caribbean round me from my fellow schoolkids.
But I think London has become a fairly well integrated place racially.
I do read a lot about WW2, and the Holocaust though, and it worries me that I see a lot of the same situation that led to Nazi Germany today, and views that we thought were in the past are returning, even becoming acceptable.
Some may think this a good thing, I realise.
It seems that when people lose faith in the centre they rush to the extremes. Both main parties seem to be in the grip of the worst kind of people they have in their ranks.
Things can change quickly and more drastically than we can imagine.Nearing 60 now but when younger Russia was seen as an unapproachable enemy (like North Korea now).Soon l will be seeking citizenship but will remain forever Fulham wherever and whatever!
I can still laugh 064.gif ...........
At myself !!
Funniest thing I heard on the radio the other day was a discussion about the book "when a tiger came for tea"...
You had some saying it was euphemism for;
Hitler knocking on doors during German occupation.
The wife lying to her husband as she hadn't made tea for when he arrived home.
Plus many others....
When they asked the author what the story was really about? She said "just a tiger coming for tea"
I can remember seeing TV showing no blacks, no dogs, no irish posters outside B&B's in the 60/70's
Nostalgia doesn't make that right, any more than love thy neighbour or the black and white minstrel show.
Time's change, norms change - harking back to the old days, or identifying a group that we are not members of as being over sensitive isn't for us to do, it's for them to say what they find acceptable or not.
Quite rightly certain groups found the B&W minstrels denigrated them and Love they neighbuor as being offence. I accept their view.
What we need less of, is straight white men deciding what is best for everyone else.
Quote from: snarks on July 11, 2019, 03:05:26 PM
I can remember seeing TV showing no blacks, no dogs, no irish posters outside B&B's in the 60/70's
Nostalgia doesn't make that right, any more than love thy neighbour or the black and white minstrel show.
Time's change, norms change - harking back to the old days, or identifying a group that we are not members of as being over sensitive isn't for us to do, it's for them to say what they find acceptable or not.
Quite rightly certain groups found the B&W minstrels denigrated them and Love they neighbuor as being offence. I accept their view.
What we need less of, is straight white men deciding what is best for everyone else.
Imagine being emboldened enough to say this kind of cr*p 'What we need less of, is straight white men deciding what is best for everyone else.'
Absolutely no respect for this kind of dialogue.
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Quote from: snarks on July 11, 2019, 03:05:26 PM
I can remember seeing TV showing no blacks, no dogs, no irish posters outside B&B's in the 60/70's
Nostalgia doesn't make that right, any more than love thy neighbour or the black and white minstrel show.
Time's change, norms change - harking back to the old days, or identifying a group that we are not members of as being over sensitive isn't for us to do, it's for them to say what they find acceptable or not.
Quite rightly certain groups found the B&W minstrels denigrated them and Love they neighbuor as being offence. I accept their view.
What we need less of, is straight white men deciding what is best for everyone else.
Imagine being emboldened enough to say this kind of cr*p 'What we need less of, is straight white men deciding what is best for everyone else.'
Absolutely no respect for this kind of dialogue.
You may not have respect for it, but it's a fact.
The most privileged and entitled group saying what everyone else should think, feel and accept, you think that's OK.
Well that's narrow minded
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Quote from: FFC1987 on July 11, 2019, 03:07:07 PM
Quote from: snarks on July 11, 2019, 03:05:26 PM
I can remember seeing TV showing no blacks, no dogs, no irish posters outside B&B's in the 60/70's
Nostalgia doesn't make that right, any more than love thy neighbour or the black and white minstrel show.
Time's change, norms change - harking back to the old days, or identifying a group that we are not members of as being over sensitive isn't for us to do, it's for them to say what they find acceptable or not.
Quite rightly certain groups found the B&W minstrels denigrated them and Love they neighbuor as being offence. I accept their view.
What we need less of, is straight white men deciding what is best for everyone else.
Imagine being emboldened enough to say this kind of cr*p 'What we need less of, is straight white men deciding what is best for everyone else.'
Absolutely no respect for this kind of dialogue.
You may not have respect for it, but it's a fact.
The most privileged and entitled group saying what everyone else should think, feel and accept, you think that's OK.
Well that's narrow minded
Having been born in the late 80's, I've lived with policies, help and guidance from all walks of life. The only thing narrow minded is pretending that our history over the last 3 decades is solely decided by 'straight white men'. Also, suggesting there is this one binary type of people (straight white men) who have this absolute privilege over everyone else is equally absurd. There has been and still is huge hierarchy shifts between the groups so treating them as one homogeneous group is ridiculous. That's an absurdity in the UK. We're massively multi cultural and I for one am massively proud of that so it isn't a fact to suggest otherwise.
I guess I should also preface, I shouldn't have to but I will, that I don't think 'straight white men' tell people how they should feel, think or even accept. It's a fact that the group in question, do not have a monopoly on this.
Laughing has been banned as someone might find it offensive.
Quote from: snarks on July 11, 2019, 03:11:46 PM
What we need less of, is straight white men deciding what is best for everyone else.
Am I the only one who thinks straight white men have done a pretty good job of running things thus far? Presumably not given Britain remains one of the most popular places in the world to live, including among women, gays and various people of other ethnicities who risk their lives to scramble over from other parts of the world which, as far as I can tell, are all much worse places to live in than Britain.
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Quote from: snarks on July 11, 2019, 03:11:46 PM
What we need less of, is straight white men deciding what is best for everyone else.
Am I the only one who thinks straight white men have done a pretty good job of running things thus far? Presumably not given Britain remains one of the most popular places in the world to live, including among women, gays and various people of other ethnicities who risk their lives to scramble over from other parts of the world which, as far as I can tell, are all much worse places to live in than Britain.
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The gins kicked in.
I never deliberately go out to offend anyone but if I do offend them I apologise. I cannot do this walking on broken glass bit. I don't consider myself racist or sexist. Humour does not need to be about race creed or colour. It can be about anything. Why should you never use beef stew as a pass word........Because it is not stroganoff. That might not be funny but it is as funny as an Irish joke
Anyway...we signed anyone yet?
Quote from: Jamie88 on July 11, 2019, 07:28:17 PM
Anyway...we signed anyone yet?
No....But there is a med....Ooh I better not😝
What I find absolutely hilarious is how a uber-wealthy American can invest hundreds of millions of dollars in a English football team - simply as a vehicle for his son to manage
I have advised many family run companies and seen second generation offspring bring these companies to their knees - possibly why SK doesn't want his son and style of management in his main business
Nepotism rules and blood is thicker than water - and our hopes for FFC rest on an inexperienced Dof
Now that's hilarious
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Quote from: snarks on July 11, 2019, 03:05:26 PM
I can remember seeing TV showing no blacks, no dogs, no irish posters outside B&B's in the 60/70's
Nostalgia doesn't make that right, any more than love thy neighbour or the black and white minstrel show.
Time's change, norms change - harking back to the old days, or identifying a group that we are not members of as being over sensitive isn't for us to do, it's for them to say what they find acceptable or not.
Quite rightly certain groups found the B&W minstrels denigrated them and Love they neighbuor as being offence. I accept their view.
What we need less of, is straight white men deciding what is best for everyone else.
Imagine being emboldened enough to say this kind of cr*p 'What we need less of, is straight white men deciding what is best for everyone else.'
Absolutely no respect for this kind of dialogue.
You may not have respect for it, but it's a fact.
The most privileged and entitled group saying what everyone else should think, feel and accept, you think that's OK.
Well that's narrow minded
That's the point. People saying they think something is offensive is one thing. But saying people are wrong and offensive to have watched and accepted it is another. I find the behaviour of some forthright American football women players highly offensive. I find the insistence that some modern thinking allows a girl or a boy the right to change their Sex and then be insulted if you don't use the correct pronoun. In other words by all means discuss that a football player is good or bad. But allow me to disagree without telling me I am wrong. Thought I would bring it back to football to please those who hate anything non football on these pages.
Quote from: snarks on July 11, 2019, 03:05:26 PM
I can remember seeing TV showing no blacks, no dogs, no irish posters outside B&B's in the 60/70's
Nostalgia doesn't make that right, any more than love thy neighbour or the black and white minstrel show.
Time's change, norms change - harking back to the old days, or identifying a group that we are not members of as being over sensitive isn't for us to do, it's for them to say what they find acceptable or not.
Quite rightly certain groups found the B&W minstrels denigrated them and Love they neighbuor as being offence. I accept their view.
What we need less of, is straight white men deciding what is best for everyone else.
I like others are going to have to disagree and point out your own narrow mindedness which should hopefully enrich you. I don't know about your life and therefore can't speculate on your life so can't tell if you are "privilege"or not. I agree totally with you on the b&w minsiterals etc. So let's start there. I was also thrown lately to find out that the greatest resistance to inoculation was in France rather than the North African and northern sub Saharan African nations I would have guessed which shows that I have a "narrow" mind based on easy stereotypes like we all do and you also seem to be subject to. Let me explain.
Here is my white straight privilege and please do let me know which part you envy:
Born in a working class town, parents split when I was seven, by eight I was in a children's home, my sister and mother froze in a house without heating as my father refused to pay them the money they were entitld to. Coming out of foster and children's home I lived with an alcoholic step father who punched me around and mentality abused myself and my siblings and having not attended school for two years I started secondary school in special English. I left school at 15 and had to start work to feed the family, no longer wanting cheese and potato pie as our main Sunday lunch because we couldn't afford meat. My grandparents by the way had outside toilets until they died.
What part of this privilege do you envy?
On a positive note I was lucky to live in a country of fantastic opportunity with free schooling and a national health service that is still the envy of the world (I know how expensive it can be to be bitten by a spider in Africa!). With great teachers and bosses I was encouraged to work hard and to invest in my education and am now doing a masters degree (all done in my own time) whilst working and raising a fantastic family. My working class wife and I through hard work have raised children that can apply to Oxbridge and the other top universities. I always know how lucky I am but my skin colour was not a factor nor was who I spleep with..what is important was the encouragement of others and the determination to be better than I was. Btw, I am privileged to work with two brilliant black women directors of my company who are fantastic role models for women and people of colour..Again it is their hard work that got them there not their gender or skin colour.
You are only looking at yourself, and if you weren't a SWM, who knows how different your life would be.
About 72% of Fortune 500 companies are white males, it's similar for FTSE companies too, a majority of judges, MP'sand media owners are white males. The heads of FIFA, UEFA and most sports governing bodies are white males. Furthermore most heads of state are white males in the west, and the west basically drives the direction of travel with domination of the G8 for the world. I'm not looking or talking about my "little piece of turf" I'm talking geo politically. Approximately 50% of the population are female in the UK they don't even get equal pay.
Given its clear who makes decisions on a macro level I can't see where am I wrong. I accept SWM will say no we don't but that comes from the certainty of your position.
Shut this down now mods,as once again certain posters are talking sh++,which has nothing to do with what the topic was about.😵
Quote from: snarks on July 12, 2019, 06:35:55 AM
Well that's the classic "some of my friends are black so I can't be racist defence". About 72% of Fortune 500 companies are white males, it's similar for FTSE companies too, a majority of judges, MP's and media owners are white males, most heads of state are white males in the west, and the west basically drives the direction of travel with domination of the G8 for the world. I'm not looking or talking about my "little piece of turf" I'm talking geo politically. Approximately 50% of the population are female in the UK they don't even get equal pay.
Given its cleat who makes decisions on a macro level where am I wrong.
I haven't seen any "my friends are black so I am not a racist" post on here which tells me two things a)you don't actually read the replies and b) you are a "template thinker" choosing a standard template in which to make sense of your world. In this case you believe that all memebers if a certain group have privileges and therefore you use the template "shut down the debate by calling them racists" template regardless of what you are actually hearing back. It is very common nowadays sadly and shows to me that the ability to see depth in arguments and ideas is lacking. Don't worry you are in good company als all the "populists" use it, whether it's Farage, Boris, Trump or Diane Abbott. Straw men duely set up so you can feel great knocking them down.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 12, 2019, 07:00:49 AM
Shut this down now mods,as once again certain posters are talking sh++,which has nothing to do with what the topic was about.😵
That is what happens when you open a box like "isn't the PC world rubbish"! I actually enjoyed the debate but then I like to explore my world. I am sure this will be shut down and we will go back to the straight jacketed debate and all avoid saying anything that anyone can disagree with.
I've amended my post, as the analogy i was drawing was being misinterpreted, of course there will be those that don't have a private school education who make good, but who is to say why.
You may not like what i say, and you may argue against it, that's fine, debate is the whole point. i have my view, and I believe that it's right, you have yours and don't think there is any SWM privilege, that's fine too
Quote from: KingofCheese on July 12, 2019, 07:46:56 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 12, 2019, 07:00:49 AM
Shut this down now mods,as once again certain posters are talking sh++,which has nothing to do with what the topic was about.😵
That is what happens when you open a box like "isn't the PC world rubbish"! I actually enjoyed the debate but then I like to explore my world. I am sure this will be shut down and we will go back to the straight jacketed debate and all avoid saying anything that anyone can disagree with.
Its a topic about people not laughing anymore.
And you and another starting off on the road to equal rights,black v whites,women not being paid enough.
What the f+++ has that got to do with it all.
Every time you post you write a novel,I can get over what I have to say in a sentence or a paragraph... Guardian readers I Sh++ them.😒
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 12, 2019, 07:59:53 AM
Quote from: KingofCheese on July 12, 2019, 07:46:56 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 12, 2019, 07:00:49 AM
Shut this down now mods,as once again certain posters are talking sh++,which has nothing to do with what the topic was about.😵
That is what happens when you open a box like "isn't the PC world rubbish"! I actually enjoyed the debate but then I like to explore my world. I am sure this will be shut down and we will go back to the straight jacketed debate and all avoid saying anything that anyone can disagree with.
Its a topic about people not laughing anymore.
And you and another starting off on the road to equal rights,black v whites,women not being paid enough.
What the f+++ has that got to do with it all.
Every time you post you write a novel,I can get over what I have to say in a sentence or a paragraph... Guardian readers I Sh++ them.😒
Takes all sorts to make a world. BTW, I looked up the pirate flag thing..seems to be a common theme and is just the way councils respond to neighbourhood complaints. Looks like neighbours who have a disagreement with someone complains and use the flag thing as an excuse to have a go. Councils have rules written in law about what flags can be flown without planning permission and have to enforce the rules. Not a PC thing at all. The power of research.
Quote from: snarks on July 12, 2019, 07:55:29 AM
I've amended my post, as the analogy i was drawing was being misinterpreted, of course there will be those that don't have a private school education who make good, but who is to say why.
You may not like what i say, and you may argue against it, that's fine, debate is the whole point. i have my view, and I believe that it's right, you have yours and don't think there is any SWM privilege, that's fine too
Actually I of course believe there are layers of privilege in any society and certainly in ours - almost all politicians come from a certain strata of society and all went to Oxbridge (well the successful ones anyway). I am sure in China being a Han and belonging to a long standing Communist party family also puts you on top. I don't disagree with you in most of what you say but was just pointing out the dangers of essentialism. Have a great day.
Quote from: snarks on July 12, 2019, 06:35:55 AM
About 72% of Fortune 500 companies are white males, it's similar for FTSE companies too, a majority of judges, MP'sand media owners are white males. The heads of FIFA, UEFA and most sports governing bodies are white males. Furthermore most heads of state are white males in the west, and the west basically drives the direction of travel with domination of the G8 for the world.
I find it hard to respect any view that makes no effort to distinguish between disparities in gender, race and sexual orientation when all three are totally different issues.
Anyway... as to race, your stats largely just reflect the fact the most of the population of the US and UK since the industrial revolution have been white. If you don't like this Anglo-American world order, fine, move to the Middle East or Africa and see how great it is there. Maybe in the few decades the world will be run by the Chinese anyway. The current situation in Hong Kong shows how that will turn out.
The topic is about when we didn't take things so seriously..... Not if the spoiled sports council gave permission or not that's irrelevant.
Anyhow I'm not going to get involved in a discussion about it,as that will give ammo to you and a couple of others who end up putting numerous posts on different topics arguing about the same things.
Laugh for Christ sake...😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 12, 2019, 08:19:55 AM
The topic is about when we didn't take things so seriously..... Not if the spoiled sports council gave permission or not that's irrelevant.
Anyhow I'm not going to get involved in a discussion about it,as that will give ammo to you and a couple of others who end up putting numerous posts on different topics arguing about the same things.
Laugh for Christ sake...😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
Of course I will laugh..it's my natural position on life! I have to say I don't recognise that I post the same subjects on different posts..I think you have mistaken me for someone else. Just to finish on the councils, they are not being spoil sports but are following the laws as laid down for them by parliament. It is what makes this country so great to live it, that we have laws that are followed. I am off to South Africa again soon and that is a country where everyone from politicians to the police make up the laws as they see fit..or depending on what's in it for them. Not a system I would recommend.
Quote from: snarks on July 12, 2019, 06:35:55 AM
You are only looking at yourself, and if you weren't a SWM, who knows how different your life would be.
About 72% of Fortune 500 companies are white males, it's similar for FTSE companies too, a majority of judges, MP'sand media owners are white males. The heads of FIFA, UEFA and most sports governing bodies are white males. Furthermore most heads of state are white males in the west, and the west basically drives the direction of travel with domination of the G8 for the world. I'm not looking or talking about my "little piece of turf" I'm talking geo politically. Approximately 50% of the population are female in the UK they don't even get equal pay.
Given its clear who makes decisions on a macro level I can't see where am I wrong. I accept SWM will say no we don't but that comes from the certainty of your position.
I mean, you know where you're wrong really. Suggesting things like 'can you imagine your situation if you weren't a SWM' when someone has just given you the perfect response (and a horrific one from a personal perspective) to why you shouldn't generalise and pretend that groups are homogenised. This whole debate became silly when white fragility came into it.
As to laughter, we still have it. I love Ricky Gervais. He does it perfectly in my opinion. But hey, an utterly privileged white straight male from cemetery junction having lived no hardships would right.....
" Essentialism " amused me.
We could all do with a daily dose of Tommy Cooper! 064.gif
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 12, 2019, 07:59:53 AM
Quote from: KingofCheese on July 12, 2019, 07:46:56 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 12, 2019, 07:00:49 AM
Shut this down now mods,as once again certain posters are talking sh++,which has nothing to do with what the topic was about.😵
That is what happens when you open a box like "isn't the PC world rubbish"! I actually enjoyed the debate but then I like to explore my world. I am sure this will be shut down and we will go back to the straight jacketed debate and all avoid saying anything that anyone can disagree with.
Its a topic about people not laughing anymore.
And you and another starting off on the road to equal rights,black v whites,women not being paid enough.
What the f+++ has that got to do with it all.
Every time you post you write a novel,I can get over what I have to say in a sentence or a paragraph... Guardian readers I Sh++ them.😒
I do understand your frustration how the thread has gone (guilty as charged) and actually your point is well made and I have a very great deal of sympathy with your outlook.... My only issue is I never quite believe the Sun (where I read the same story) gives all the facts, it tends to only give certain bits that it wants to thus leading you to a conclusion it desires and that may be an incorrect conclusion.
Can't wait for August 3rd when we can get back to the merits of a 5 man back 4.
Quote from: west kowloon white on July 12, 2019, 09:56:35 AM
" Essentialism " amused me.
I thank you 😀 after all this is a thread about amusement!
To be fair the poster I was answering did give a very good attempt at including the whole range of human essentialist perspectives - Gender, sexuality, class, race and culture - I think only mathematics and Science were not mentioned being as they are of a non human nature.
Quote from: ALG01 on July 12, 2019, 10:30:48 AM
Can't wait for August 3rd when we can get back to the merits of a 5 man back 4.
That amuses me, it ranks along with Ringo's 8 days a week
Quote from: OldBrownShoe on July 12, 2019, 10:16:05 AM
We could all do with a daily dose of Tommy Cooper! 064.gif
Just like that !! not like that !! but like that !!
I am a straight white male, and proud of it, and very handsome also, and I love a joke. I hope that's alright with everyone.
Here is a joke...... I walked into a men's outfitters and asked the manager to show me the cheapest suit in the shop. He replied " your wearing it ". 064.gif
I hope you all laughed, because if you did not, I will try again.
Quote from: snarks on July 12, 2019, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 12, 2019, 10:30:48 AM
Can't wait for August 3rd when we can get back to the merits of a 5 man back 4.
That amuses me, it ranks along with Ringo's 8 days a week
PC alert...pc alert.....are we sure that all 5 of the back 4 are really happy with the assumed gender allocation of "man"? With the various options available nowadays, there could be a grave breach of human rights here..........
By the way, board gamers need to note that in future "Chesspersons"will be used in references to the playing pieces.
