He is really not up to first team football
Another shocking game today. Everything changed when he was subbed
He needs to develop further before playing with the First team again
Certainly he should not start before some time playing with the under 21's
We need the best 11 on the pitch.
Agree 100%.
Looked out his depth.
He must feel awful just now, really feel for him.
Trust Scotty to get an arm around him and guide him through this difficult part of his development.
Quote from: Fernhurst on October 05, 2019, 03:07:05 PM
He must feel awful just now, really feel for him.
Trust Scotty to get an arm around him and guide him through this difficult part of his development.
Away from the first team please
He just isn't ready
Yeah, very disappointed in his show today. Not sure what the problem was, but he sure didn't look like his 'head was in the game'. Very poor show.
Decent backup option IMO but the weak link in the starting XI, although Bettinelli will run him close for that title.
Odoi would be my preference at RB.
Agree he was having a bad game and had to come off, but at times he looked set to go on a run and then didn't do it. Is that Parker's orders that are putting him in two minds? He looked hesitant today, whereas in other games earlier in the season he was making positive runs into space. Loss of confidence perhaps.
Odoi for Sess all day long at the moment
Even Christie
He had a good game against Wigan, so 1 not so good half in his last 3, he's young he'll get there.
Just don't know what he adds right now. He is still very young though and I'm rooting for him to make it!
He needs a rest, he will come back better for that.
He's young and still only played a handful of games at this level. That said he was poor today for some reason with a number of stray passes. Not surprised he was subbed at half time.
He had his hands full with Williams on their left and things improved for us when Sess. was taken off.
Needs taking out the firing line for a while. He'll be a fine player but time for Odoi to have a run at RB. Failing that and if After injury not too bad, Harrison Reed can and has played RB and could be worth a go.
Quote from: Whitestone on October 05, 2019, 04:13:20 PM
He's young and still only played a handful of games at this level. That said he was poor today for some reason with a number of stray passes. Not surprised he was subbed at half time.
I remembered Ryan Sess going through a few inconsistent spell at the start of his time with the first team.
The thing was with Ryan the coach can use him to be subbed in later to get the goal or assist.
I think Steven's defensive style will be a little bit harder to slowly initiate him into the team.
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This is Ryan Sess and his first real season. Good few starts and then benched a lot but came back in second half.
Steve may take same route and if so thats great. He may be same age but injuries have meant hes a couple of years behind
Just a bit of patience needed.
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He's getting overwhelmed. At first I thought it was just him tiring later in games...but I really don't rate him over Odoi. I'd even slot in Christie over him.
T Khan said this would be the year for us to see what Steven has. I'm very meh with him right now.
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Quote from: Statto on October 05, 2019, 03:08:49 PM
Decent backup option IMO but the weak link in the starting XI, although Bettinelli will run him close for that title.
Odoi would be my preference at RB.
Odoi would be my preference as well, with the bonus of his attacking threat.
Don't mind him, but expected this thread regardless. He's young, and today was his worst game. Before that, he's been pretty solid overall. Mentally not prepared it felt like. He was overpowered on that side with the wingback, and made simple passes more complicated. In our system he tucks in more, and unfortunately was in positions to make plays, but didn't. I think he gets benched only depending on what formation we go for next time out. I really liked our 3-1-4-2 in the second half, which would mean he'd sit out.
Bit surprised at the views here. Thought our defenders served up a barbershop quartet of daft stuff in the first half. Charlton's second goal wasn't especially clever, but by then he was off. The logical player to come off in a very good tactical switch.
In an all time list of worst defensive halves for Fulham by a member of the Sessegnon family, I'm not sure that one would make the top five.
The worst defender on the pitch, by a country mile, was Charlton's left back. Cavaleiro let him off rather lightly.
"The worst defender on the pitch, by a country mile, was Charlton's left back. Cavaleiro let him off rather lightly."
Absolutely!!!!! Our whole coaching team should have been screaming at Knockaert or Cav to just walk past him.
My impression of Sess today was that when he got something wrong or something didn't come off he was so anxious to put it right that he compounded his error/inadequacy. If I'm right (and I may well be quite wrong), it's understandable and more experience will resolve it, but as of now I'd play Odoi or Christie.
As I've said already. Harrison Reed can and has played RB. If Artur fit its an option I think we should look at, although Odoi is a safe pair of hands otherwise. Wouldn't risk Christie though, very poor defender even at this level.
I think we would have lost today if Sess hadn't been subbed at half time imo. Very poor game and as has been observed got consistently more nervous and therefore more error prone with each mistake RB is a problem for us, I would prefer Odoi there, or Reed if he can cover. No to Christie from me.
Quote from: Fernhurst on October 05, 2019, 07:24:29 PM
"The worst defender on the pitch, by a country mile, was Charlton's left back. Cavaleiro let him off rather lightly."
Absolutely!!!!! Our whole coaching team should have been screaming at Knockaert or Cav to just walk past him.
My understanding was that Charlton played three 'centre halves' across the back. In that case Cav, Knock and Bryan should have murdered them. But no.
Sess had a shocker, but he's young. Back to the stiffs for a bit of recuperation. He'll be fine. Odoi it is for me.
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 05, 2019, 07:37:19 PM
As I've said already. Harrison Reed can and has played RB. If Artur fit its an option I think we should look at, although Odoi is a safe pair of hands otherwise. Wouldn't risk Christie though, very poor defender even at this level.
Not sure about the R/B option but I like this lad Reed a lot. I think he's under rated but he's very mobile, gets stuck in and seems to have a good attitude. What a contrast to the two highly paid prancers we had over from France for a holiday last year?
Quote from: MikeW on October 05, 2019, 09:16:12 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on October 05, 2019, 07:24:29 PM
"The worst defender on the pitch, by a country mile, was Charlton's left back. Cavaleiro let him off rather lightly."
Absolutely!!!!! Our whole coaching team should have been screaming at Knockaert or Cav to just walk past him.
My understanding was that Charlton played three 'centre halves' across the back.
That could explain his first half throw in. Normally when a ball takes a trajectory like that, a caddy with a rake is needed
Quote from: MikeW on October 05, 2019, 09:20:36 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 05, 2019, 07:37:19 PM
As I've said already. Harrison Reed can and has played RB. If Artur fit its an option I think we should look at, although Odoi is a safe pair of hands otherwise. Wouldn't risk Christie though, very poor defender even at this level.
Not sure about the R/B option but I like this lad Reed a lot. I think he's under rated but he's very mobile, gets stuck in and seems to have a good attitude. What a contrast to the two highly paid prancers we had over from France for a holiday last year?
Well said
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 05, 2019, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: MikeW on October 05, 2019, 09:20:36 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 05, 2019, 07:37:19 PM
As I've said already. Harrison Reed can and has played RB. If Artur fit its an option I think we should look at, although Odoi is a safe pair of hands otherwise. Wouldn't risk Christie though, very poor defender even at this level.
Not sure about the R/B option but I like this lad Reed a lot. I think he's under rated but he's very mobile, gets stuck in and seems to have a good attitude. What a contrast to the two highly paid prancers we had over from France for a holiday last year?
Well said
When Thierry Henry joined Arsenal his first dozen games were rubbish, Anguissa and Seri were written off way before they were given a dozen games (ie when Raneri joined). Fulham has become a place many players don't enjoy, and ideally we want to be the club top players want to join.
Quote from: MikeW on October 05, 2019, 09:20:36 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 05, 2019, 07:37:19 PM
As I've said already. Harrison Reed can and has played RB. If Artur fit its an option I think we should look at, although Odoi is a safe pair of hands otherwise. Wouldn't risk Christie though, very poor defender even at this level.
Not sure about the R/B option but I like this lad Reed a lot. I think he's under rated but he's very mobile, gets stuck in and seems to have a good attitude. What a contrast to the two highly paid prancers we had over from France for a holiday last year?
Spot on
Quote from: The Rational Fan on October 10, 2019, 06:03:47 AM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 05, 2019, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: MikeW on October 05, 2019, 09:20:36 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 05, 2019, 07:37:19 PM
As I've said already. Harrison Reed can and has played RB. If Artur fit its an option I think we should look at, although Odoi is a safe pair of hands otherwise. Wouldn't risk Christie though, very poor defender even at this level.
Not sure about the R/B option but I like this lad Reed a lot. I think he's under rated but he's very mobile, gets stuck in and seems to have a good attitude. What a contrast to the two highly paid prancers we had over from France for a holiday last year?
Well said
When Thierry Henry joined Arsenal his first dozen games were rubbish, Anguissa and Seri were written off way before they were given a dozen games (ie when Raneri joined). Fulham has become a place many players don't enjoy, and ideally we want to be the club top players want to join.
Please Do not compare or mention in the same breath the two prancers from France with Theirry Henry, different planet.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 10, 2019, 12:15:56 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on October 10, 2019, 06:03:47 AM
When Thierry Henry joined Arsenal his first dozen games were rubbish, Anguissa and Seri were written off way before they were given a dozen games (ie when Raneri joined). Fulham has become a place many players don't enjoy, and ideally we want to be the club top players want to join.
Please Do not compare or mention in the same breath the two prancers from France with Theirry Henry, different planet.
I think TRFs point is valid both in general and to this thread. People tend to jump to conclusions based on very small sample sizes all the time. Now for example some posters basically writes off Steven Sessegnon as not ready for the first team because he's had one bad half of football and a few so so games. This happens all the time, and some people never seem to learn. Just like a couple of good games to begin his Fulham first team career doesn't mean that he will be a star this season, a couple of not so good games doesn't equal him being not first team ready.
I was at the match and I also reviewed the match by watching it again on the web site. I closely watched Stephen Sessengnon and I feel we are being far to harsh by criticising his performance. He is being told what to do by the coaching staff and because of three or four misplaced passes people are getting on his back. But if you watch carefully much of his defensive work was good. As an 18 year old he has much to learn but he is a very promising player who must be given time to develop in our team.
I think we need to remind ourselves that this is his first season playing senior level football. With that in mind I think he's acquitted himself well. He is too prone to lapses of concentration but he will improve that. From what I've seen he offers the most going forward of all our right backs, which could be a big asset. It's a long season and he'll get more chances to impress, he has to keep working hard.
I believe SS had a poor half of football last Saturday. Was his performance influenced by an older player in midfield who I haven't been impressed with so far, who I didn't think should have started the game, who was yellow/red carded for a dive that would have embarrassed Kamara, and has a tendency to get involved where he isn't required to?
I hope SS wasn't influenced but I am really not too sure because nineteen year olds tend to soak up things like blotting paper when they feel there is a need ('I am struggling here') and it is an experienced pro who is showing them 'this is how you do it'. Just food for thought.
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What so Arter is responsible for Sessegnon's stray passes and lapses in concentration? Have to say I'm struggling to understand that reasoning
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Quote from: Statto on October 11, 2019, 09:09:43 AM
What so Arter is responsible for Sessegnon's stray passes and lapses in concentration? Have to say I'm struggling to understand that reasoning
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Must admit I am as well.😵
Quote from: toshes mate on October 11, 2019, 08:20:12 AM
I believe SS had a poor half of football last Saturday. Was his performance influenced by an older player in midfield who I haven't been impressed with so far, who I didn't think should have started the game, who was yellow/red carded for a dive that would have embarrassed Kamara, and has a tendency to get involved where he isn't required to?
I hope SS wasn't influenced but I am really not too sure because nineteen year olds tend to soak up things like blotting paper when they feel there is a need ('I am struggling here') and it is an experienced pro who is showing them 'this is how you do it'. Just food for thought.
Not sure Arter has anything to do with SS standard's on the pitch, seems like a bit of a cheap shot.
However, Mawson, who's been playing alongside SS is noticeably helpful and vocal with him. That's exactly what you need when you're young and inexperienced, a calm mature head alongside. Much like KMac was, Mawson seems to be the vocal leader on the pitch (i have no issue with TC as captain as many do).
My starter course seems to have caused indigestion. So let me have a go at causing real stomach upsets with this comment about Harry Arter from Warnock during last season (remember we are talking influence):
"You don't get players like that on loan unless there's something in their make-up," Warnock told reporters. "Eddie Howe did warn me... he said he'd get booked in training. I tell him every day, during the game, at half-time, in the second half. But I might as well keep my mouth shut." Warnock, who believes Arter has performed "really well" for Cardiff in spite of his disciplinary record, added: "Harry Arter does what he wants. You can't stop him. He's been a little bit erratic. Fans love him but he runs around like a chicken with its neck wrung at times, instead of being responsible."
This thread was about Sess not cutting it for the starting eleven not about other players
Classic deflect rather than dealing with the discussion.
Bottom line is Sess needs more work.
He isn't ready
We need wins
Best 11 only should be on the pitch
Park the sentimental loyalty and concentrate on a succession of 3 points
Quote from: Ronnief on October 10, 2019, 01:54:13 PM
I was at the match and I also reviewed the match by watching it again on the web site. I closely watched Stephen Sessengnon and I feel we are being far to harsh by criticising his performance. He is being told what to do by the coaching staff and because of three or four misplaced passes people are getting on his back. But if you watch carefully much of his defensive work was good. As an 18 year old he has much to learn but he is a very promising player who must be given time to develop in our team.
Plus 1
Not in the u21 squad tonight, hope it's not an injury...
