Best squad in the league by a mile and desperately struggling.
Get Hughton in and be done with it for christ sake.
The man is an embarrassment
I think this post is more embarrasing, but it is of course subjective.
If at Xmas we're not top 6 and / or are significantly off 2nd points wise he certainly will need to go. Luton is now another must win for Parker as manager.
Hughton! Really? I suggest a tad more research into Hughton and some people's ott expectations and then look at what was going on when Parker was appointed. We were broken and even Shahid Khan said things were better with his appointment. We have no entitlement to romp this league.
I do not see any evidence that we are the best team in the League, some players need to show more urgency and work rate first. Expectations are far too high, and because supporters expect far too much, you end up setting yourselves up for a number of disappointments and let downs.
We have if not the best, certainly one of the top 3 squads in the division and highest wage bill. Parker is 100% underachieving currently. He messed up today and has to put it right Wednesday.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 19, 2019, 06:37:40 PM
I do not see any evidence that we are the best team in the League, some players need to show more urgency and work rate first. Expectations are far too high, and because supporters expect far too much, you end up setting yourselves up for a number of disappointments and let downs.
very true
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 19, 2019, 06:39:38 PM
We have if not the best, certainly one of the top 3 squads in the division and highest wage bill. Parker is 100% underachieving currently. He messed up today and has to put it right Wednesday.
what's a high wage bill got to do with it?
Top players for this level like Mitrovic, Cairney, Cavaleiro, Knockaert, Arter, Bobby Reed etc come at premium wages. Parker isnt utilising a group of players who are generally superior to the average player in the championship
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 19, 2019, 06:39:38 PM
We have if not the best, certainly one of the top 3 squads in the division and highest wage bill. Parker is 100% underachieving currently. He messed up today and has to put it right Wednesday.
One of several very good squads but no where the best and might be pushing it for top three. A top three squad would not have its fan base crying out for more depth and specific roles, like defence, to be filled. Our bench today, with the possible exception of Rodak, would not necessarily march into a top ten side. Wage bill stats mean nothing. Many high earners are decidedly average and some of ours proved that today.
Parker is about where many of us expected him to be.
Quote from: ScalleysDad on October 19, 2019, 06:51:17 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 19, 2019, 06:39:38 PM
We have if not the best, certainly one of the top 3 squads in the division and highest wage bill. Parker is 100% underachieving currently. He messed up today and has to put it right Wednesday.
One of several very good squads but no where the best and might be pushing it for top three. A top three squad would not have its fan base crying out for more depth and specific roles, like defence, to be filled. Our bench today, with the possible exception of Rodak, would not necessarily march into a top ten side. Wage bill stats mean nothing. Many high earners are decidedly average and some of ours proved that today.
Parker is about where many of us expected him to be.
Agree to disagree then. If Parker doesn't have us top 6 he is massively underachieving. Cairney, Mitrovic, Cavaleiro and Knockaert would walk into any other side in this league and we have another handful of players who would walk into most.
Quote from: ScalleysDad on October 19, 2019, 06:51:17 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 19, 2019, 06:39:38 PM
We have if not the best, certainly one of the top 3 squads in the division and highest wage bill. Parker is 100% underachieving currently. He messed up today and has to put it right Wednesday.
One of several very good squads but no where the best and might be pushing it for top three. A top three squad would not have its fan base crying out for more depth and specific roles, like defence, to be filled. Our bench today, with the possible exception of Rodak, would not necessarily march into a top ten side. Wage bill stats mean nothing. Many high earners are decidedly average and some of ours proved that today.
Parker is about where many of us expected him to be.
I thought we'd finish the season about eighth. So far that looks about right.
People say Cardiff, Sheff Weds, Barnsley and Stoke are poor teams but we can't beat them. It's all right Parker saying the result was 'a bump in the road', but the fact is we aren't a good enough team to do better.
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 19, 2019, 07:01:49 PM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on October 19, 2019, 06:51:17 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 19, 2019, 06:39:38 PM
We have if not the best, certainly one of the top 3 squads in the division and highest wage bill. Parker is 100% underachieving currently. He messed up today and has to put it right Wednesday.
One of several very good squads but no where the best and might be pushing it for top three. A top three squad would not have its fan base crying out for more depth and specific roles, like defence, to be filled. Our bench today, with the possible exception of Rodak, would not necessarily march into a top ten side. Wage bill stats mean nothing. Many high earners are decidedly average and some of ours proved that today.
Parker is about where many of us expected him to be.
Agree to disagree then. If Parker doesn't have us top 6 he is massively underachieving. Cairney, Mitrovic, Cavaleiro and Knockaert would walk into any other side in this league and we have another handful of players who would walk into most.
Agree and disagree back at you. I think Mitro and Cairney might walk into one of the top three if they wanted a move now and for all his faults Betts might as well. However, at the moment anyway, Cav and Knockaert are too inconsistent, and a wages luxury, so that restricts them to possibly the upcoming top six January transfer gamble at best. The Reed/Reid twins and Joe B will probably get into one of the top six but the rest of the team are more top half outside of the top four at best and our bench mid table and lower. For the most part then they are where they should be.
I've said all week, they're way way better (and have been playing) than their position suggests. I'd have been happy with a point before ko, so not as down as many on here.
Also of interest was how happy most were with teamsheet prior to kick off.
parker made massive errors today. no need to repalce him as long as he learns and we are better as a result.
three at the back was a disaster
We have to realise that you don't easily build a promotion team over a single transfer window, it takes time working together,
However something is wrong if we can dominate a bottom of the table team for 50 minutes and fail to score a goal.
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 19, 2019, 06:20:57 PM
If at Xmas we're not top 6 and / or are significantly off 2nd points wise he certainly will need to go. Luton is now another must win for Parker as manager.
He will probably pick 8 defenders for that game, his strategy today was bizarre and failed miserably!
Get that QPR bloke in.
Quote from: The Old Count on October 19, 2019, 07:04:28 PM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on October 19, 2019, 06:51:17 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 19, 2019, 06:39:38 PM
We have if not the best, certainly one of the top 3 squads in the division and highest wage bill. Parker is 100% underachieving currently. He messed up today and has to put it right Wednesday.
One of several very good squads but no where the best and might be pushing it for top three. A top three squad would not have its fan base crying out for more depth and specific roles, like defence, to be filled. Our bench today, with the possible exception of Rodak, would not necessarily march into a top ten side. Wage bill stats mean nothing. Many high earners are decidedly average and some of ours proved that today.
Parker is about where many of us expected him to be.
I thought we'd finish the season about eighth. So far that looks about right.
People say Cardiff, Sheff Weds, Barnsley and Stoke are poor teams but we can't beat them. It's all right Parker saying the result was 'a bump in the road', but the fact is we aren't a good enough team to do better.
Sadly I agree. I foresee a few more bumps in the road.
On paper top 2 team ,I don't want him out and believe we have to give him a full season and believe he will get it.
However he has to get results and keep team in top 8 at very least.
We do have the best squad and with Slav managing us we would be top. Let's hope Parker can do it. Beat Luton and Borough and we are right up there
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 19, 2019, 07:01:49 PM
If Parker doesn't have us top 6 he is massively underachieving. Cairney, Mitrovic, Cavaleiro and Knockaert would walk into any other side in this league and we have another handful of players who would walk into most.
Entirely agree
Actually IMO anything below top 2 is underachieving. We have the best team. We were second favourites for promotion and the only reason we weren't first is Leeds had a more settled squad and highly-rated manager. I'd say 8-9 out of our first XI would walk into any other team - only exceptions are Ream (playing like he did today) Betts and Sessegnon
Nonetheless I don't think we should sack the manager. Hughton would leave us in another Ranieri situation - coming in mid-season to a squad totally unsuited to the way he likes to play
If we don't go up, sack Parker in April/May (and start grovelling to Jokanovic)
Quote from: Statto on October 19, 2019, 10:48:45 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 19, 2019, 07:01:49 PM
If Parker doesn't have us top 6 he is massively underachieving. Cairney, Mitrovic, Cavaleiro and Knockaert would walk into any other side in this league and we have another handful of players who would walk into most.
Entirely agree
Actually IMO anything below top 2 is underachieving. We have the best team. We were second favourites for promotion and the only reason we weren't first is Leeds had a more settled squad and highly-rated manager. I'd say 8-9 out of our first XI would walk into any other team - only exceptions are Ream (playing like he did today) Betts and Sessegnon
Nonetheless I don't think we should sack the manager. Hughton would leave us in another Ranieri situation - coming in mid-season to a squad totally unsuited to the way he likes to play
If we don't go up, sack Parker in April/May (and start grovelling to Jokanovic)
We are on the same wavelength and agree Slav would batter this division with the squad we have. However Parkers tenure actually becomes untenable if for instance we lose to Luton or are lets say outside the top 6 and 10 points or more off 2nd come December. Still think Parkers job is and will be kept or lost in relation to our success on the pitch ... and the pressure is currently on.
People seem to forget that Slav put together a great run to end the season. The rest of the time the team underachieved. He had his time and the beginning of our season in the Prem showed that Slav wasn't all that versatile. We couldn't defend and he didn't really seem to be interested in assisting or reorganizing the defense,
Our current team, while a very good Championship side, lacks pace, especially at the back. The two wingers while quick, don't seem to have that final burst to blow by a defender. Mitro's game isn't quickness and should be used at what he does best, "posting up" a defender and than scoring.
From a management perspective, I don't get Parker's love of this building from the back. It is too easily defended and if we lose the ball, a scramble ensues. He's smart enough to adjust and I think today he outsmarted himself. I'm sure the plan was to attack in mass and overwhelm the defenders. Didn't work and he didn't adjust. This team doesn't play all that well in the air and we lack size/muscle in too many instances.
I like Parker and feel that he will only get better as a manager. I do not want the team tossed into upheaval with a managerial change.
Parker, if your reading this, drop the mandatory play from the back, ESPECIALLY when player three at the back (two with the speed of a dead snail). Play from the back when the other teams allows it. If they are pressing deep, go longer. just over the heads of those pressing.
BTW, Betts could use a rest.
OP post . oh god what are you going on about ? Hughton ? Thank god you arent running the club!!
Quote from: colinwhite on October 20, 2019, 12:13:28 AM
OP post . oh god what are you going on about ? Hughton ? Thank god you arent running the club!!
???
Why is it every time Fulham lose a game, somebody wants the manager sacked.
Quote from: Sting of the North on October 19, 2019, 06:00:14 PM
I think this post is more embarrasing, but it is of course subjective.
Here here.
Slava also had periods in the Championship when the team didn't do well, and people on here called for him to be sacked.
In fact, not long before we went on that brilliant run which clinched a play-off place.
Parker has done ok i think, and definitely too early to talk of sacking him.
We again had a poor first half, and conceded a sloppy goal, which needs to be remedied, and the three at the back made us vulnerable, but we were the much better team in the second and were unlucky not to score, but were again beaten by a long ball after leaving the back door open going for the goal to get back in it.
I'm not surprised people want Parker out. He's not cutting it. The table doesn't lie. To suggest it's embarrassing is bizarre to me. I have far more inclination to sacking Parker than suggesting he's doing a good job and I'm still in the keep side. He's done more to warrant a warning at the least than any praise and I really don't think people are thinking about any sort of long term repercussions here. End of season and we don't go up and we could be in all sorts of trouble and unfortunately, I can't help but think signing on an inexperienced manager with the job of top 2 was a baptism of fire for any young manager. So I don't really blame Parker all things considered.
Quote from: Sting of the North on October 19, 2019, 06:00:14 PM
I think this post is more embarrasing, but it is of course subjective.
I would have used much stronger words but agree with you 100%
I'm not Parker out, I actually want him to do well because of the brand of football he's trying to deploy.
However results have not been good enough. We've struggled against most top half sides, and a couple of hammerings do gloss over the start to our season.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 20, 2019, 08:44:57 AM
I'm not Parker out, I actually want him to do well because of the brand of football he's trying to deploy.
However results have not been good enough. We've struggled against most top half sides, and a couple of hammerings do gloss over the start to our season.
This for me. Like the man, like the way he conducts himself, like the style, albeit with more goals and chances created, just think the results are poor. Young English manager doing well at my club. The idea that people 'want' him to not do well is absurd to me but hey. Lose to Luton and his time is up I think.
Before we get into criticising individuals I feel it is worth noting that mistakes are being made both on and off the pitch and that is not uncommon in a failing team. On the one hand I feel the coaching team is being naïve. The coaching changes being tried are too hackneyed for their own good and are based upon incorrect perception of where things are breaking down. That also happened in the Jokanovic era but there may have been a subtle difference. Jokanovic knew where the problem was but couldn't get the players to readily subscribe to the repair. Parker doesn't know where the problem really is but is getting his players to readily subscribe to the repair that is actually making things worse. The problem is the fifteen years or so gap of experience at management, and we must be patient in allowing Parker to solve things in his own way.
My criticism of Parker yesterday would be wrong team and wrong attitude, compounding a problem that goes back several games now, taking him further away from resolution. He needs to take a good few steps back to the Cardiff game if he wants answers, IMO.
The "special one" is waiting in the wings.
Quote from: St Eve on October 21, 2019, 11:45:41 PM
The "special one" is waiting in the wings.
Who?..Big Sam.😜
Quote from: Hatch007 on October 20, 2019, 07:21:30 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on October 19, 2019, 06:00:14 PM
I think this post is more embarrasing, but it is of course subjective.
I would have used much stronger words but agree with you 100%
I did, and quite rightly my post was deleted
I posted on the stats thread he has had the best start in 19 seasons at 12 games.
We might be below where we all think we should be, but its not exactly relegation fodder form is it?
Review after Birmingham has to be the stance, no rush to judgement. And thats from someone who is no fan of him.
Quote from: MJG on October 22, 2019, 08:47:09 AM
I posted on the stats thread he has had the best start in 19 seasons at 12 games.
We might be below where we all think we should be, but its not exactly relegation fodder form is it?
Review after Birmingham has to be the stance, no rush to judgement. And thats from someone who is no fan of him.
It's not relegation fodder, but its certainly below par when you look at position and fixtures played. I know people like yourself might think people are jumping the gun here but for context, Ipswich are top of league one, look very good, lost first game of season to accrington stanley in a pretty poor performance. Checked facebook and their are actually calls to sack Lambert. They're top and were unbeaten this season. Then look at what happened with WestBrom who were 4th and sacked the manager, that was jumping the gun but on paper, Parker sitting 10th with our squad isn't that unreasonable..... Now thats jumping the gun, but being fairly critical of our start is fair enough in my opinion. The start deserve some scrutiny as we're not where we should be but alas, time is, as you say on our side so making a judgement in a few games time seems more prudent.
Dislcaimer, I think he should get time but can understand if he does get the sack, particularly if we lose/draw to Luton.
I think we can conclude the "executive management team" doesn't know how to select the "head coach". I have zero confidence that if we sack the hopelessly inexperienced Parker that we will get a better manager. I don't want to see us with hopeless inexperienced manager new to the club. We could get a worse manager than Parker and probably will.
Quote from: FFC1987 on October 22, 2019, 11:32:51 AM
Quote from: MJG on October 22, 2019, 08:47:09 AM
I posted on the stats thread he has had the best start in 19 seasons at 12 games.
We might be below where we all think we should be, but its not exactly relegation fodder form is it?
Review after Birmingham has to be the stance, no rush to judgement. And thats from someone who is no fan of him.
It's not relegation fodder, but its certainly below par when you look at position and fixtures played. I know people like yourself might think people are jumping the gun here but for context, Ipswich are top of league one, look very good, lost first game of season to accrington stanley in a pretty poor performance. Checked facebook and their are actually calls to sack Lambert. They're top and were unbeaten this season. Then look at what happened with WestBrom who were 4th and sacked the manager, that was jumping the gun but on paper, Parker sitting 10th with our squad isn't that unreasonable..... Now thats jumping the gun, but being fairly critical of our start is fair enough in my opinion. The start deserve some scrutiny as we're not where we should be but alas, time is, as you say on our side so making a judgement in a few games time seems more prudent.
Dislcaimer, I think he should get time but can understand if he does get the sack, particularly if we lose/draw to Luton.
Personally i'm fairly non plussed about Parker. If he left today I wouldnt be up in arms and if he stays i'm happy to see where we are after Birmingham game.
I know we are behind where we should be and have said so elsewhere. I'm not one who said we should run away with the league but I do expect playoffs at the very least given that attacking group of players, even if the coach is wet behind the ears.
Parker has made mistakes and his lineup was wrong for a number of reasons last weekend, he needs to get it right and get a result on Wednesday to settle the nerves and comments.
Quote from: MJG on October 22, 2019, 01:30:38 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on October 22, 2019, 11:32:51 AM
Quote from: MJG on October 22, 2019, 08:47:09 AM
I posted on the stats thread he has had the best start in 19 seasons at 12 games.
We might be below where we all think we should be, but its not exactly relegation fodder form is it?
Review after Birmingham has to be the stance, no rush to judgement. And thats from someone who is no fan of him.
It's not relegation fodder, but its certainly below par when you look at position and fixtures played. I know people like yourself might think people are jumping the gun here but for context, Ipswich are top of league one, look very good, lost first game of season to accrington stanley in a pretty poor performance. Checked facebook and their are actually calls to sack Lambert. They're top and were unbeaten this season. Then look at what happened with WestBrom who were 4th and sacked the manager, that was jumping the gun but on paper, Parker sitting 10th with our squad isn't that unreasonable..... Now thats jumping the gun, but being fairly critical of our start is fair enough in my opinion. The start deserve some scrutiny as we're not where we should be but alas, time is, as you say on our side so making a judgement in a few games time seems more prudent.
Dislcaimer, I think he should get time but can understand if he does get the sack, particularly if we lose/draw to Luton.
Personally i'm fairly non plussed about Parker. If he left today I wouldnt be up in arms and if he stays i'm happy to see where we are after Birmingham game.
I know we are behind where we should be and have said so elsewhere. I'm not one who said we should run away with the league but I do expect playoffs at the very least given that attacking group of players, even if the coach is wet behind the ears.
Parker has made mistakes and his lineup was wrong for a number of reasons last weekend, he needs to get it right and get a result on Wednesday to settle the nerves and comments.
Yeh, I can't disagree with that. I guess I'm the glass half empty approach to the same argument ie very frustrated and more critical but still unfussed if he stays or leaves.
Quote from: Sting of the North on October 19, 2019, 06:00:14 PM
I think this post is more embarrasing, but it is of course subjective.
+1,000
I agree his tactical errors are getting a bit tiresome now. The inverted wingers system just isn't working and I've no idea what he's trying to do with the full-backs. Presumably something he read in a book about Guardiola, but it ain't working. Just get both wingers and both full backs down the line FFS.
My biggest concern is, is he inherently intelligent enough for this business? I said when Symons took over, you could tell he never had the nous to be a manager. Same for Mulensteen. I thought Parker might be a little bit sharper but his persistence with certain tactics and vacuous post-match interviews (except Cardiff) are concerning. Bowyer after the Charlton game was so much more insightful and articulate, and he's no Albert Einstein.
Let's look at Parker from a different angle ,
Can anybody name one single new signing that has improved under Parker or has even shown signs of improving ?
Personally I can't think of one, unless I'm mistaken they were all playing better last season .
I think Cairney looks a lot better to be honest. Started scoring goals again and gets on ball more....that might just be the drop down in standard opposition in championship though.
Cairney ,Ream, Bryan ,Mawson ,Johansen all players better this season than last,IMo
Quote from: colinwhite on October 22, 2019, 05:41:40 PM
Cairney ,Ream, Bryan ,Mawson ,Johansen all players better this season than last,IMo
Agree
All those that were here last year are performing better this year
Of the newbies, at least Sessegnon, Reed, Arter are also performing to the best of their ability IMO
If anything I think Parker has too many options up top and therefore is tinkering with formations trying to fit players in Example Bobby Reid, however this meant to keep knock and cav in the team play them as wing backs nobody could argue that was a good idea, and playing possibly the best attacking left back in the league as a third center back??? For me showing his lack of experience in team management
Quote from: Sting of the North on October 19, 2019, 06:00:14 PM
I think this post is more embarrasing, but it is of course subjective.
Agreed.
Knee jerk reactions are becoming the norm in football.
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Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on October 19, 2019, 06:48:34 PM
Top players for this level like Mitrovic, Cairney, Cavaleiro, Knockaert, Arter, Bobby Reed etc come at premium wages. Parker isnt utilising a group of players who are generally superior to the average player in the championship
Manchester City lost to Norwich, Arsenal lost to Shef Wednesday and United just drew with a reportedly much better Liverpool.
It's not about high payroll...or City, Arsenal and Liverpool s managers sucking. It's football and losses are going to happen.
I agree that based on STATS for the players we have...the potential for each of them individually to play well is there...but lets not overhype their individual ability or overlook how they play as a unit with each other.
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I hate to belittle this topic but West Brom are getting beaten at home by the bottom club and pace setters, of sorts, Swansea are also getting beaten at home by hot and cold Brentford. I wonder if their forums will have a sack the manage thread later on tonight?
Quote from: ScalleysDad on October 22, 2019, 08:31:31 PM
I hate to belittle this topic but West Brom are getting beaten at home by the bottom club and pace setters, of sorts, Swansea are also getting beaten at home by hot and cold Brentford. I wonder if their forums will have a sack the manage thread later on tonight?
Beat me to it.
That said...we have no excuse not to take Luton extra seriously tomorrow. A loss and I'll be right pissed at the entire squad.. including Scott.
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I'm certainly not anti Parker - I want him to do well and I do believe he is trying hard to formulate an effective style of play . In my mind the mistake was not to do a ur leg and stick with an extremely effective and entertaining manager in Slav and appointing Ranieri
. T K has hopefully learned from his mistakes and we have to allow SPto learn from his . This is no time to change - even if we are notwithstanding races by Christmas. Slag has sadly gone but we must give SP time
Ur leg' was meant to be Burnley.their decision not to sAck the MMA aged was both bra sand inspired
. They had the bottle - we didn't
What the F is going on !!!!! Burnley's decision was both brave and inspired
Quote from: HV71 on October 22, 2019, 09:02:41 PM
What the F is going on !!!!! Burnley's decision was both brave and inspired
Leave it there now otherwise you might mis spell something controversial and get into trouble.
You are so right .....
Quote from: Statto on October 22, 2019, 04:55:16 PM
I agree his tactical errors are getting a bit tiresome now. The inverted wingers system just isn't working and I've no idea what he's trying to do with the full-backs. Presumably something he read in a book about Guardiola, but it ain't working. Just get both wingers and both full backs down the line FFS.
My biggest concern is, is he inherently intelligent enough for this business? I said when Symons took over, you could tell he never had the nous to be a manager. Same for Mulensteen. I thought Parker might be a little bit sharper but his persistence with certain tactics and vacuous post-match interviews (except Cardiff) are concerning. Bowyer after the Charlton game was so much more insightful and articulate, and he's no Albert Einstein.
Totally agree on all counts
Quote from: HV71 on October 22, 2019, 09:02:41 PM
What the F is going on !!!!! Burnley's decision was both brave and inspired
If you look at Burnley in the season they went down and kept their manager they only lost in a row at most four games.... And that was close to end of season and once before three in a row. Slav lost six.
Burnley also had a plan based on not going bust again. So the club and fans on that initial promotion didn't break the bank and while wanting to stay up it wasn't the be all and end all. The most important but for Burnley was Bank money, have a base and push on.... Which is what they did.
I don't think comparing us... Or almost any team to Burnley is fair because every club has its own unique situations. Who knows maybe if they had lost five in a row early on they would have sacked him, but he tended to get a result every third game or so to keep everyone happy.
If Slav had beaten Huddersfield there is a good chance he would still be here.
I thought we'd finish the season about eighth. So far that looks about right.
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Actually, I was very disappointed in the relegation. I had initially hoped for a mid table finish, but feared yet another relegation to League One. That was BEFORE Mitro and Tom were confirmed to be back in the club, and the acquisitions of Knock, Cav and Reid. At that point, expectations shot up very high, and even the bet line had FFC top two starting the season. And that was in spite of still a questionable back line defense which was not upgraded during the off season. This is a good team, with good players.
If FFC cannot get itself promoted this year, I see a disaster in the waiting. Many of the better players will want out, and next season will be a challenge just to stay up. All this possession and so very few shots with it is a glaring problem. We get some help in Jan (Hector) with our defense. Our goalkeeping is still very average, if not weak. But if we could just score more goals that will overcome the defense.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 20, 2019, 12:48:42 AM
Why is it every time Fulham lose a game, somebody wants the manager sacked.
I do think it's justified to look at the manager after this seasons' body of work to date. I don't see the howling after every loss. But right now, todays Luton tilt is very important I think, showing the future direction of the club AND Parkers place with it.
parker has made errors but i think we are not that fr away from being THE top side in the division.
IMO stef jo has to play to complement TC these two seem to 'work' as a pair
then it's either harrision or arter, never both
Then odoi, what has he done wrong? play him at RB
the only other issue becomes reid and where to play him? and the way cav has played recently I think reid should be given his spot for a few games.
Slav would have had us in the top two woth this squad but he was experienced. I much prefer parker to any obvious other option and three wins in the nect four games will silence nonsensical threads like this....
what we do need in the winter break, and TK hasn't been that clever in winter so far, is to fix the defence which whilst it just about copes, that is because we keep the ball, when we lose possesion it looks mighty ropey and we just do not have any depth to the squad players available
Quote from: colinwhite on October 22, 2019, 05:41:40 PM
Cairney ,Ream, Bryan ,Mawson ,Johansen all players better this season than last,IMo
None of which are "new" signings.
Quote from: Riversider on October 23, 2019, 04:34:00 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on October 22, 2019, 05:41:40 PM
Cairney ,Ream, Bryan ,Mawson ,Johansen all players better this season than last,IMo
None of which are "new" signings.
Ok, so let's entertain this strange perspective (I mean does it really matter if SP happen to help improve new players or players that were already here?). Ivan was a bench player last season, Knockaert surely didn't set the PL alight, Arter had a decent spell at Cardiff, Reid was half decent at Cardiff as well. None of those came from really impressive seasons, did they (I mean, generally they wouldn't be loaned out if they were that great)? Admittedly though I didn't watch any of them very much at all , but I guess that goes for most of us.
Those performances were all in the PL though, as were the performances of our players, making the comparison strange to begin with. On top of that they aare now in a new team.
Wouldn't it be much more interesting to see whether FFC as a team is improving, and whether players are fitting in better with time? Personally, I thought that was the case, but the last two games have put some doubt in my mind. Hopefully this is just a bump in the road (partly caused by SP not sticking to his own plan), and improvements will generally continue.
Quote from: Sting of the North on October 23, 2019, 04:52:40 PM
Quote from: Riversider on October 23, 2019, 04:34:00 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on October 22, 2019, 05:41:40 PM
Wouldn't it be much more interesting to see whether FFC as a team is improving, and whether players are fitting in better with time? Personally, I thought that was the case, but the last two games have put some doubt in my mind. Hopefully this is just a bump in the road (partly caused by SP not sticking to his own plan), and improvements will generally continue.
Agreed. I think the team was certainly 'improving' going into the recent break. The Char first half notwithstanding, the second half was quite good. FFC coming off a short string of unbeaten results. Then into two weeks of prep for their next match v bottom table Stoke. Just a terrible result, very disappointing. Let's just hope, as you suggest, a 'bump in the road'.
Quote from: Sting of the North on October 23, 2019, 04:52:40 PM
Quote from: Riversider on October 23, 2019, 04:34:00 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on October 22, 2019, 05:41:40 PM
Cairney ,Ream, Bryan ,Mawson ,Johansen all players better this season than last,IMo
None of which are "new" signings.
Ok, so let's entertain this strange perspective (I mean does it really matter if SP happen to help improve new players or players that were already here?). Ivan was a bench player last season, Knockaert surely didn't set the PL alight, Arter had a decent spell at Cardiff, Reid was half decent at Cardiff as well. None of those came from really impressive seasons, did they (I mean, generally they wouldn't be loaned out if they were that great)? Admittedly though I didn't watch any of them very much at all , but I guess that goes for most of us.
Those performances were all in the PL though, as were the performances of our players, making the comparison strange to begin with. On top of that they aare now in a new team.
Wouldn't it be much more interesting to see whether FFC as a team is improving, and whether players are fitting in better with time? Personally, I thought that was the case, but the last two games have put some doubt in my mind. Hopefully this is just a bump in the road (partly caused by SP not sticking to his own plan), and improvements will generally continue.
Sting: I think your response is good and measured. This international nonsense does no one any favours in the autumn but going forward, we have the opportunity to get some continuity and results. I was very interested to watch and see reviews of Sheff Utd last night. What a contrast they are to the powder puff team we put into the Prem! Battlers, determind and (a team) compiled at a fraction of the cost of some we purchased based on 'stats'.
This season our tactic seems to be to bore the other side to death, wait until they wake up, concede a goal or two and the manager says it was a pleasing performance. Call me a cynic? Yes please.
