Just a short post- something I think fans should be aware of whilst the Riverside Stand development is occurring, and I don't think it was ever picked up on anyone during planning.
The number of toilets in the plans for the new stadium is massively under the number required by the latest standards. This will mean queues for bathrooms will actually be worse than at present and will make that already-small concourse feel even smaller.
The plans show 7 male toilets, 19 male urinals and 7 male basins, 17 female toilets and 8 female basins serve 4672 people with a 85:15 male:female split.
BS6465 (2009) states that in football stadia, for that number of people, we require 16 male toilets, 80 male urinals and 32 male basins, 36 female toilets and 18 female basins.
The new stand doesn't even meet historic standards such as he discontinued FSADC guidance (1993) which state that for that number of people, the stand should contain 7 male toilets, 57 male urinals and 14 male basins, 21 female toilets and 11 female basins
All of this is publicly available if someone wants to verify. May be a fairly minor point but we're only going to re-build this stand once, we should get it right and at least meet British standards. And worries me slightly that there could be other standards we might have missed.
Hard to believe that the architect has not followed the British Standard on this matter, are you sure that you have not missed something.
I'm sure. Check the plans for yourself. The numbers are broken down in the link below too. It's an easy thing to miss as it's rarely checked.
https://www.washroomcubicles.co.uk/how-many-toilets-do-you-need/#sports_entertainment
The latest plans can be found on the LBHF Planning website, number 2019/01880. This link might work too? Check the DAS for the GA Capacity and both bathrooms can be seen on the Level 00 plan.
https://public-access.lbhf.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=PTCLMZBI04900
This is probably something that should be flagged to the Fulham Supporters Trust so they can raise it at their next meeting.
So it could be said that at least they are not taking the Pi55 :)
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on October 25, 2019, 11:09:48 PM
So it could be said that at least they are not taking the Pi55 :)
or that we supports won't? 094.gif
Why do we think it's only level 00 that will be open on matchday, and not the other floors as well?
Quote from: Mr Serious on October 25, 2019, 11:53:44 PM
Quote from: Statto on October 25, 2019, 11:47:18 PM
Why do we think it's only level 00 that will be open on matchday, and not the other floors as well?
The bathrooms at Level 00 are the only ones available to the 4672 GA supporters.
Where does it say that?
Riverside fans better stay off of the beer before games then.😜
Remember though that the average age of a Riversider means visiting the loo several times before, during and after the game
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Quote from: Fulham Tup North on October 25, 2019, 11:09:48 PM
So it could be said that at least they are not taking the Pi55 :)
Ha ha. Yep, nice one😀
I agree that the FST should raise this with the FFC Board as a matter of urgency. It's an important point, perhaps the OP has missed something but it can't hurt to raise it.
How did we get a building department permit if that is the case?
They are drilling holes in the wall backing onto the river.
Hope there's one big enough for me.😂
Quote from: St Eve on October 26, 2019, 01:27:25 PM
How did we get a building department permit if that is the case?
Alas building control and planning departments at most local authorities have, like many Parks departments, been ripped to shreds over the last few years. New Planning legislation and codes of conduct are supposed to make the whole process run smoothly without a pair of highly qualified looking at a set of plans to in effect find fault with the proposal but it does'nt. Here in Exeter a new housing development is being questioned as it nears completion with lots of how, who, when, WHAT!
I hope we have'nt dropped a big fat clanger here.
Peeing into the Thames will be allowed at low tide to allow access to the pier for the ferry.
Whilst I fully appreciate a further dedicated toilet thread, this should really have been posted on April 1st.....
This will mean pisstools at dawn...poor old dawn
Does the swimming pool count?
Quote from: bobbo on October 26, 2019, 02:01:07 PM
They are drilling holes in the wall backing onto the river.
Hope there's one big enough for me.😂
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You sure Bobbo
Quote from: Mr Serious on October 25, 2019, 09:24:14 PM
The plans show 7 male toilets, 19 male urinals and 7 male basins, 17 female toilets and 8 female basins serve 4672 people with a 85:15 male:female split.
Are you sure your calculation for the number of toilets in the Riverside Stand is correct, because 7 male toilets are only enough for 1500 men, 19 male urinals are only enough for 900 men, and 17 female toilets are only enough for 300 women? No way the calculations could be that far wrong, there must be some other toilets in the stand somewhere. I am disappointed, if the Riverside stand is only provisioned for a maximum of 300 women ever.
Are you sure you are not just looking at plans for thee lower level?
Guys, please don't think a guest account called 'Mr Serious' is being serious. A quick look at the plans he linked to and I counted over 100 cubicles in the new stand and a multitude of urinals & sinks.
For the stand (minus spa & residences):
Accessible Toilets: 15
Mixed Cubicle (w. Sink): 18
Female WC: 50
Male WC: 22
Urinal: 29 (+19 more I think haven't been correctly labelled)
Regards,
I.P. Freely
Genuinely surprised so many have been sucked in by a 'guest account'....
Quote from: MartyFFC on August 10, 2021, 09:42:04 AM
Genuinely surprised so many have been sucked in by a 'guest account'....
His name is Mr Serious, what more do you want?!
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 10, 2021, 09:20:31 AM
Quote from: Mr Serious on October 25, 2019, 09:24:14 PM
The plans show 7 male toilets, 19 male urinals and 7 male basins, 17 female toilets and 8 female basins serve 4672 people with a 85:15 male:female split.
Are you sure your calculation for the number of toilets in the Riverside Stand is correct, because 7 male toilets are only enough for 1500 men, 19 male urinals are only enough for 900 men, and 17 female toilets are only enough for 300 women? No way the calculations could be that far wrong, there must be some other toilets in the stand somewhere. I am disappointed, if the Riverside stand is only provisioned for a maximum of 300 women ever.
300 women in one place.... that's asking for trouble
If this is right then it has to be corrected which should not prove difficult in view of all the space available under that stand.
Quote from: filham on August 10, 2021, 10:18:19 AM
If this is right then it has to be corrected which should not prove difficult in view of all the space available under that stand.
No - it is bullpoo (note also that 'Mr Serious' is a one time guest poster who put this message up in October 2019)!
The actual number of loos across the 3 levels that hold spectators are as follows:
Spectator areas:
19 Male toilets
47 urinals
43 female toilets
10 AWC's
When you factor in the AWC's (unisex/disabled/baby changer WC's) it suggests that the stand has slightly fewer male urinals, but more male WC's and more female WC's than the most recent guidance that the original poster refers to - BS6465 (2009).
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 10, 2021, 10:31:42 AM
Quote from: filham on August 10, 2021, 10:18:19 AM
If this is right then it has to be corrected which should not prove difficult in view of all the space available under that stand.
No - it is bullpoo (note also that 'Mr Serious' is a one time guest poster who put this message up in October 2019)!
The actual number of loos across the 3 levels that hold spectators are as follows:
Spectator areas:
19 Male toilets
47 urinals
43 female toilets
10 AWC's
When you factor in the AWC's (unisex/disabled/baby changer WC's) it suggests that the stand has slightly fewer male urinals, but more male WC's and more female WC's than the most recent guidance that the original poster refers to - BS6465 (2009).
I count a total of 119 loos for about 10,000 people, which is around 84 people per loo. Is that enough acorrding to the guidelines? and for a football crowd don't we need more urinals?
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 10, 2021, 10:31:42 AM
Quote from: filham on August 10, 2021, 10:18:19 AM
If this is right then it has to be corrected which should not prove difficult in view of all the space available under that stand.
No - it is bullpoo (note also that 'Mr Serious' is a one time guest poster who put this message up in October 2019)!
The actual number of loos across the 3 levels that hold spectators are as follows:
Spectator areas:
19 Male toilets
47 urinals
43 female toilets
10 AWC's
When you factor in the AWC's (unisex/disabled/baby changer WC's) it suggests that the stand has slightly fewer male urinals, but more male WC's and more female WC's than the most recent guidance that the original poster refers to - BS6465 (2009).
Mr Serious, our illustrious guest, only looked at one floor
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 10, 2021, 09:20:31 AM
Quote from: Mr Serious on October 25, 2019, 09:24:14 PM
The plans show 7 male toilets, 19 male urinals and 7 male basins, 17 female toilets and 8 female basins serve 4672 people with a 85:15 male:female split.
Are you sure your calculation for the number of toilets in the Riverside Stand is correct, because 7 male toilets are only enough for 1500 men, 19 male urinals are only enough for 900 men, and 17 female toilets are only enough for 300 women? No way the calculations could be that far wrong, there must be some other toilets in the stand somewhere. I am disappointed, if the Riverside stand is only provisioned for a maximum of 300 women ever.
No standing on the seat Rational Fan
Quote from: junior white on August 10, 2021, 01:53:57 PM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 10, 2021, 10:31:42 AM
Quote from: filham on August 10, 2021, 10:18:19 AM
If this is right then it has to be corrected which should not prove difficult in view of all the space available under that stand.
No - it is bullpoo (note also that 'Mr Serious' is a one time guest poster who put this message up in October 2019)!
The actual number of loos across the 3 levels that hold spectators are as follows:
Spectator areas:
19 Male toilets
47 urinals
43 female toilets
10 AWC's
When you factor in the AWC's (unisex/disabled/baby changer WC's) it suggests that the stand has slightly fewer male urinals, but more male WC's and more female WC's than the most recent guidance that the original poster refers to - BS6465 (2009).
Mr Serious, our illustrious guest, only looked at one floor
Are you sure he wasn't right? Can't imagine fans being able to stroll into the hotel, restaurant and sauna to use their bogs at half-time. Sounds to me like Mr Serious "knows his sh1t" as it were.
Quote from: Statto on August 10, 2021, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 10, 2021, 01:53:57 PM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 10, 2021, 10:31:42 AM
Quote from: filham on August 10, 2021, 10:18:19 AM
If this is right then it has to be corrected which should not prove difficult in view of all the space available under that stand.
No - it is bullpoo (note also that 'Mr Serious' is a one time guest poster who put this message up in October 2019)!
The actual number of loos across the 3 levels that hold spectators are as follows:
Spectator areas:
19 Male toilets
47 urinals
43 female toilets
10 AWC's
When you factor in the AWC's (unisex/disabled/baby changer WC's) it suggests that the stand has slightly fewer male urinals, but more male WC's and more female WC's than the most recent guidance that the original poster refers to - BS6465 (2009).
Mr Serious, our illustrious guest, only looked at one floor
Are you sure he wasn't right? Can't imagine fans being able to stroll into the hotel, restaurant and sauna to use their bogs at half-time. Sounds to me like Mr Serious "knows his sh1t" as it were.
Didnt look like t was a hotel on the plans i just looked at but who knows lol
Bazza... Is that you, Bazza.....?
Quote from: Statto on August 10, 2021, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 10, 2021, 01:53:57 PM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 10, 2021, 10:31:42 AM
Quote from: filham on August 10, 2021, 10:18:19 AM
If this is right then it has to be corrected which should not prove difficult in view of all the space available under that stand.
No - it is bullpoo (note also that 'Mr Serious' is a one time guest poster who put this message up in October 2019)!
The actual number of loos across the 3 levels that hold spectators are as follows:
Spectator areas:
19 Male toilets
47 urinals
43 female toilets
10 AWC's
When you factor in the AWC's (unisex/disabled/baby changer WC's) it suggests that the stand has slightly fewer male urinals, but more male WC's and more female WC's than the most recent guidance that the original poster refers to - BS6465 (2009).
Mr Serious, our illustrious guest, only looked at one floor
Are you sure he wasn't right? Can't imagine fans being able to stroll into the hotel, restaurant and sauna to use their bogs at half-time. Sounds to me like Mr Serious "knows his sh1t" as it were.
I've not included any of the loos in any of the lounges, director's, chairman's area etc. So, no - the plonka was not right! As other posters have mentioned - he only counted level 00 and did not include any of the loos in the main spectator area on levels 01 and 02.
I've also not included the swimming pool, which can probably be used in an emergency...
Amusing thread 🤣🤣🤣
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 10, 2021, 01:34:59 PM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 10, 2021, 10:31:42 AM
Quote from: filham on August 10, 2021, 10:18:19 AM
If this is right then it has to be corrected which should not prove difficult in view of all the space available under that stand.
No - it is bullpoo (note also that 'Mr Serious' is a one time guest poster who put this message up in October 2019)!
The actual number of loos across the 3 levels that hold spectators are as follows:
Spectator areas:
19 Male toilets
47 urinals
43 female toilets
10 AWC's
When you factor in the AWC's (unisex/disabled/baby changer WC's) it suggests that the stand has slightly fewer male urinals, but more male WC's and more female WC's than the most recent guidance that the original poster refers to - BS6465 (2009).
I count a total of 119 loos for about 10,000 people, which is around 84 people per loo. Is that enough acorrding to the guidelines? and for a football crowd don't we need more urinals?
If they are mainly corporate seats, less need for urinals. Less liquid taken on board with wines and spirits 😉
Whereas, a new Hammersmith End stand will require plenty of urinals due to the average punter consuming beer 🍻🍻🍻🍻 🤪
Of course there is always the River Thames.
I'm not sure you are correct with your count up. The plans show multiple toilets for both chaps and ladies on each level. There's certainly a lot more than nineteen urinals....I've also just noticed that others have already made the point that the OP seemed to have only counted the toilets on one level 😂🤣
Quote from: ffccornwall on August 10, 2021, 03:16:25 PM
Amusing thread 🤣🤣🤣
Yes, this sort of wind up is what the Internet was designed for! Good one. :plus one:
I absolutely love the idea that people have spent a portion of their day counting toilets
Well done Mr serious you cannot be serious!
Turning this thread to the Hammersmith End. It seemed to me on Sunday that there was a distinct lack of facilities for men (can't comment on the female facilities for obvious reasons). While there seemed to be plenty of urinals, I could only spot one cubicle in the entire Hammersmith end for male cr*pping. There is also only one disabled toilet near the turnstiles. While Mr Serious may have started a thread about a non-story, there is much more of a problem in the Hammersmith end. I've lost track of the Hammersmith End capacity but one disabled toilet and one men's cubicle is surely well under any sensible bullding minimum standard. And yes I am of an age where toilet availablity is extremely important.
I agree with Ludlow Richard here, the fact that we are more or less pissing against the same wall since I first set foot in the great stadium in 1958 is outrageous, we are paying theatre ticket prices and should be given facilities to match. Match day can be quite challenging for us older supporters.
Quote from: Ludlow Richard on August 10, 2021, 11:03:07 PM
Turning this thread to the Hammersmith End. It seemed to me on Sunday that there was a distinct lack of facilities for men (can't comment on the female facilities for obvious reasons). While there seemed to be plenty of urinals, I could only spot one cubicle in the entire Hammersmith end for male cr*pping. There is also only one disabled toilet near the turnstiles. While Mr Serious may have started a thread about a non-story, there is much more of a problem in the Hammersmith end. I've lost track of the Hammersmith End capacity but one disabled toilet and one men's cubicle is surely well under any sensible bullding minimum standard. And yes I am of an age where toilet availablity is extremely important.
Who goes for a crap at a football stadium anyway? Can't people control their bowel movements? Toilets at Hammersmith Station are cleaner than at the Stadium.
Quote from: Huxley on August 11, 2021, 08:38:27 AM
Quote from: Ludlow Richard on August 10, 2021, 11:03:07 PM
Turning this thread to the Hammersmith End. It seemed to me on Sunday that there was a distinct lack of facilities for men (can't comment on the female facilities for obvious reasons). While there seemed to be plenty of urinals, I could only spot one cubicle in the entire Hammersmith end for male cr*pping. There is also only one disabled toilet near the turnstiles. While Mr Serious may have started a thread about a non-story, there is much more of a problem in the Hammersmith end. I've lost track of the Hammersmith End capacity but one disabled toilet and one men's cubicle is surely well under any sensible bullding minimum standard. And yes I am of an age where toilet availablity is extremely important.
Who goes for a crap at a football stadium anyway? Can't people control their bowel movements? Toilets at Hammersmith Station are cleaner than at the Stadium.
That's a bit harsh. How about adults who have to take their young children who don't have the same praiseworthy bowel control you have? Or adults who need privacy to deal with their catheter or stoma bag? Or adults who are really caught short by a bout of food poisoning/diarrheoa? Or adults with the known condition of urinary hesitancy? And so on. Bluntly one cubicle for 5,000 plus people is a nonsense.
Quote from: Huxley on August 11, 2021, 08:38:27 AM
Quote from: Ludlow Richard on August 10, 2021, 11:03:07 PM
Turning this thread to the Hammersmith End. It seemed to me on Sunday that there was a distinct lack of facilities for men (can't comment on the female facilities for obvious reasons). While there seemed to be plenty of urinals, I could only spot one cubicle in the entire Hammersmith end for male cr*pping. There is also only one disabled toilet near the turnstiles. While Mr Serious may have started a thread about a non-story, there is much more of a problem in the Hammersmith end. I've lost track of the Hammersmith End capacity but one disabled toilet and one men's cubicle is surely well under any sensible bullding minimum standard. And yes I am of an age where toilet availablity is extremely important.
Who goes for a crap at a football stadium anyway? Can't people control their bowel movements? Toilets at Hammersmith Station are cleaner than at the Stadium.
Evacuating your Bowels is not something that you can slot in your diary if you are free on that occasion. It even happened to Colonel George Armstrong Custer at the Battle of the Little Big Horn, mind you he was negotiating to avoid being run through by a Sioux War Lance at the time, so he can be forgiven.
The same for many of the French Aristocracy on their way to meet their fate at the Guillotine we're caught short but then again they had a very good reason to.
So I feel you are being rather harsh to expect people to save their bowels functioning until they return home.
Therefore I hope for your sake the next Dump you take is not an angry Hedgehog.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 11, 2021, 03:25:36 PM
Quote from: Huxley on August 11, 2021, 08:38:27 AM
Quote from: Ludlow Richard on August 10, 2021, 11:03:07 PM
Turning this thread to the Hammersmith End. It seemed to me on Sunday that there was a distinct lack of facilities for men (can't comment on the female facilities for obvious reasons). While there seemed to be plenty of urinals, I could only spot one cubicle in the entire Hammersmith end for male cr*pping. There is also only one disabled toilet near the turnstiles. While Mr Serious may have started a thread about a non-story, there is much more of a problem in the Hammersmith end. I've lost track of the Hammersmith End capacity but one disabled toilet and one men's cubicle is surely well under any sensible bullding minimum standard. And yes I am of an age where toilet availablity is extremely important.
Who goes for a crap at a football stadium anyway? Can't people control their bowel movements? Toilets at Hammersmith Station are cleaner than at the Stadium.
Evacuating your Bowels is not something that you can slot in your diary if you are free on that occasion. It even happened to Colonel George Armstrong Custer at the Battle of the Little Big Horn, mind you he was negotiating to avoid being run through by a Sioux War Lance at the time, so he can be forgiven.
The same for many of the French Aristocracy on their way to meet their fate at the Guillotine we're caught short but then again they had a very good reason to.
So I feel you are being rather harsh to expect people to save their bowels functioning until they return home.
Therefore I hope for your sake the next Dump you take is not an angry Hedgehog.
Actual LOL [emoji23]
I always assumed those who defile public toilets by defecation were either depraved, or just wanted to get their money's worth
Quote from: MartyFFC on August 11, 2021, 04:46:31 PM
I always assumed those who defile public toilets by defecation were either depraved, or just wanted to get their money's worth
So you hate Robbie Savage then?
Quote from: Nick Bateman on August 11, 2021, 04:52:37 PM
Quote from: MartyFFC on August 11, 2021, 04:46:31 PM
I always assumed those who defile public toilets by defecation were either depraved, or just wanted to get their money's worth
So you hate Robbie Savage then?
Graham Poll had a few words to say about that.
Quote from: Ludlow Richard on August 11, 2021, 09:12:27 AM
Quote from: Huxley on August 11, 2021, 08:38:27 AM
Quote from: Ludlow Richard on August 10, 2021, 11:03:07 PM
Turning this thread to the Hammersmith End. It seemed to me on Sunday that there was a distinct lack of facilities for men (can't comment on the female facilities for obvious reasons). While there seemed to be plenty of urinals, I could only spot one cubicle in the entire Hammersmith end for male cr*pping. There is also only one disabled toilet near the turnstiles. While Mr Serious may have started a thread about a non-story, there is much more of a problem in the Hammersmith end. I've lost track of the Hammersmith End capacity but one disabled toilet and one men's cubicle is surely well under any sensible bullding minimum standard. And yes I am of an age where toilet availablity is extremely important.
Who goes for a crap at a football stadium anyway? Can't people control their bowel movements? Toilets at Hammersmith Station are cleaner than at the Stadium.
That's a bit harsh. How about adults who have to take their young children who don't have the same praiseworthy bowel control you have? Or adults who need privacy to deal with their catheter or stoma bag? Or adults who are really caught short by a bout of food poisoning/diarrheoa? Or adults with the known condition of urinary hesitancy? And so on. Bluntly one cubicle for 5,000 plus people is a nonsense.
Funny enough, my friend had the same problem on Sunday but I didn't want to start another toilet thread!
Quote from: Huxley on August 11, 2021, 08:38:27 AM
Quote from: Ludlow Richard on August 10, 2021, 11:03:07 PM
Turning this thread to the Hammersmith End. It seemed to me on Sunday that there was a distinct lack of facilities for men (can't comment on the female facilities for obvious reasons). While there seemed to be plenty of urinals, I could only spot one cubicle in the entire Hammersmith end for male cr*pping. There is also only one disabled toilet near the turnstiles. While Mr Serious may have started a thread about a non-story, there is much more of a problem in the Hammersmith end. I've lost track of the Hammersmith End capacity but one disabled toilet and one men's cubicle is surely well under any sensible bullding minimum standard. And yes I am of an age where toilet availablity is extremely important.
I actually have a list of stadiums I've curled one out at, and I'm proud of it.
Best? Probably Twickenham or the old Riverside.
Worst? Wembley or QPR.
Who goes for a crap at a football stadium anyway? Can't people control their bowel movements? Toilets at Hammersmith Station are cleaner than at the Stadium.
