Just been into Paddy Powers betting shop where I live in Newmarket,the manager there is always on the money as Newmarket being a horse racing town has to watch where the money goes.
He was telling me their head office took two substantial bets yesterday on Sam Allardyce becoming our new boss(apparently he was told by head office Parker has 2 games).
He never stated the odds and none are up on line where I've looked.
I did post a few weeks back that a friend in Newmarket son who works at the Express said that Sam fancied the job,some said on here that he was making it up,well I know the boy and what reason would he have to state such a thing if it weren't true,absolutely none.
Nothing might come of it as Big Sam most probably fancies a few jobs,but the substantial bets could be a gamble,or someone in the know.
Only stating what I've heard,so no need to bite my nose off.š
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on November 05, 2019, 10:17:16 AM
Just been into Paddy Powers betting shop where I live in Newmarket,the manager there is always on the money as Newmarket being a horse racing town has to watch where the money goes.
He was telling me their head office took two substantial bets yesterday on Sam Allardyce becoming our new boss(apparently he was told by head office Parker has 2 games).
He never stated the odds and none are up on line where I've looked.
I did post a few weeks back that a friend in Newmarket son who works at the Express said that Sam fancied the job,some said on here that he was making it up,well I know the boy and what reason would he have to state such a thing if it weren't true,absolutely none.
Nothing might come of it as Big Sam most probably fancies a few jobs,but the substantial bets could be a gamble,or someone in the know.
Only stating what I've heard,so no need to bite my nose off.š
If Parker has 2 games then that's 1 match too many - but Allardyce is a potential Ranieri mk2, no ta!
As I have stated before if fat Sam is manager I will not walk through the turnstile into the cottage until the end of his tenure. I know that doesn't matter a jot in the scheme of things but to me he is everything that is wrong with football.
Quote from: bobby01 on November 05, 2019, 10:26:58 AM
As I have stated before if fat Sam is manager I will not walk through the turnstile into the cottage until the end of his tenure. I know that doesn't matter a jot in the scheme of things but to me he is everything that is wrong with football.
I'm not really a fan of big Sam but thats a big statement. Could you elaborate?
No chance, for all sorts of reasons
Mince I know you like a joke and a bit of gossip but there is no way Sam would be given the job.
Statto and MJG, why wouldn't he? Just out of interest.
We are two points of the Play-Offs and it is early November.
Sounds unlikely to me.
Quote from: MJG on November 05, 2019, 10:31:28 AM
Mince I know you like a joke and a bit of gossip but there is no way Sam would be given the job.
Your right I do like a joke MJG,but this isn't.
Just what he told me this morning.
But like I've stated Sam most probably fancies a few jobs being out of work...Why wouldn't he fancy ours?
Ha ha, you'll get what you wished for some of you if you think what you're watching now doesn't float your boat.
Big Sam? I'll not be driving up from Devon each game to watch that utter utter dross.
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 05, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
Statto and MJG, why wouldn't he? Just out of interest.
Well for a start, total mismatch for
- Our club and ethos
- The Khans' image
- Our 'head coach' structure
- Stats-based transfer selection
- Our tactics
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Quote from: FFC1987 on November 05, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
Statto and MJG, why wouldn't he? Just out of interest.
Well for a start, total mismatch for
- Our club and ethos
- The Khans' image
- Our 'head coach' structure
- Stats-based transfer selection
- Our tactics
See, I don't know if the Khans would see it like that. i agree with what your saying just not that the Khan's wouldn't consider him.
Quote from: JimĀ© on November 05, 2019, 10:41:08 AM
Ha ha, you'll get what you wished for some of you if you think what you're watching now doesn't float your boat.
Big Sam? I'll not be driving up from Devon each game to watch that utter utter dross.
I don't think anyone on here is wishing for him Jim.
In his defense though not as bad a villain as made out,a few Spammers have said they played better football under him than they do now with Pelligrini.
With our current performances there are sure to be wild rumours like this floating around. Really can't se it happening but actually I have time for big Sam, his record is good, just think of all those years he kept Bolton afloat.
Quote from: JimĀ© on November 05, 2019, 10:41:08 AM
Ha ha, you'll get what you wished for some of you if you think what you're watching now doesn't float your boat.
Big Sam? I'll not be driving up from Devon each game to watch that utter utter dross.
Me neither. I was fully signed up for the rebuild and common sense always dictated it would take more than one season despite some of the threads on here thinking we have a magic wand. I still get the Coaches Association magazine from when I used my badges and Parker was/is highly regarded. The materials he has to work with when stacked up against expectation simply don't work yet.Ā I liked the comment yesterday regarding Bilic with his 300 plus games in management opposed to Parkers twenty odd, off which some were from the train wreck of last season. I fear if Mince is right the Club is taking a different path to the Fulham I embraced years ago. Mind you all the Parker out brigade will have some explaining to do. That will be hilarious.
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Quote from: FFC1987 on November 05, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
Statto and MJG, why wouldn't he? Just out of interest.
Well for a start, total mismatch for
- Our club and ethos
- The Khans' image
- Our 'head coach' structure
- Stats-based transfer selection
- Our tactics
See, I don't know if the Khans would see it like that. i agree with what your saying just not that the Khan's wouldn't consider him.
So you think Khan snr will say, "You know what Sam, I don't mind becoming linked with a major corruption scandal, we'll change our management structure, I'll humiliate my own son by demoting him below you, I'll terminate our involvement with his stats business, we'll totally change our player recruitment process for you despite refusing to do so for Jokanovic, give you total control, and let you bring in a whole new team (even though FFP means we've no money to do that) that suits your tactics, and disregard the fact that our fans won't like you or your tactics."
This an interesting thread,would fans prefer a direct winning team or football played by coaches,slav,SP etc
Me I don't like big Sam's style,but I bet a lot of fans want results first and foremost .
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on November 05, 2019, 10:35:28 AM
Quote from: MJG on November 05, 2019, 10:31:28 AM
Mince I know you like a joke and a bit of gossip but there is no way Sam would be given the job.
Your right I do like a joke MJG,but this isn't.
Just what he told me this morning.
But like I've stated Sam most probably fancies a few jobs being out of work...Why wouldn't he fancy ours?
I didn't say he wouldn't fancy it, just that he wouldn't be given it.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on November 05, 2019, 10:57:49 AM
Quote from: JimĀ© on November 05, 2019, 10:41:08 AM
Ha ha, you'll get what you wished for some of you if you think what you're watching now doesn't float your boat.
Big Sam? I'll not be driving up from Devon each game to watch that utter utter dross.
I don't think anyone on here is wishing for him Jim.
In his defense though not as bad a villain as made out,a few Spammers have said they played better football under him than they do now with Pelligrini.
True enough but still a bit suspect. I recall he lost the Spam fans in the end though leading to his great quote along the lines of ' they wanted to play the West Ham way which would have/got them relegated'. A pioneer in his day with stats and nutrition but out of the game for an age.
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Quote from: FFC1987 on November 05, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
Statto and MJG, why wouldn't he? Just out of interest.
Well for a start, total mismatch for
- Our club and ethos
- The Khans' image
- Our 'head coach' structure
- Stats-based transfer selection
- Our tactics
See, I don't know if the Khans would see it like that. i agree with what your saying just not that the Khan's wouldn't consider him.
So you think Khan snr will say, "You know what Sam, I don't mind becoming linked with a major corruption scandal, we'll change our management structure for you, I'll demote my son below you, I'll terminate our involvement with his stats business, we'll change our player recruitment process, give you total control, and let you bring in a whole new team (even though FFP means we've no money to do that) that suits your tactics, and disregard the fact that our fans won't like you or your tactics."
I don't think they'd consider him if he didn't accept large sections of our already established structure but I doubt he'd be interested in the job if he didn't accept that.
Major corruption association is a fair enough point though.
You're probably right though, I just wouldn't put it past our owners to consider him.
Quote from: hovewhite on November 05, 2019, 11:03:23 AM
This an interesting thread,would fans prefer a direct winning team or football played by coaches,slav,SP etc
Me I don't like big Sam's style,but I bet a lot of fans want results first and foremost .
It doesn't have to be one or the other. But I will say in 40 years we have had Sanchez and Magath who were our and out long ball guys.... And we hated it. OK it wasn't a winning formula but whenever we have gone down that route we haven't liked it. There is Fulham type of football which I think is play fair and play it in a good way. Not lump it long.... I swear some of you still want Hutchinson hitting percentage balls up to Matt Smith.... Horrible football.
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Quote from: JimĀ© on November 05, 2019, 10:41:08 AM
Ha ha, you'll get what you wished for some of you if you think what you're watching now doesn't float your boat.
Big Sam? I'll not be driving up from Devon each game to watch that utter utter dross.
Me neither. I was fully signed up for the rebuild and common sense always dictated it would take more than one season despite some of the threads on here thinking we have a magic wand. I still get the Coaches Association magazine from when I used my badges and Parker was/is highly regarded. The materials he has to work with when stacked up against expectation simply don't work yet.Ā I liked the comment yesterday regarding Bilic with his 300 plus games in management opposed to Parkers twenty odd, off which some were from the train wreck of last season. I fear if Mince is right the Club is taking a different path to the Fulham I embraced years ago. Mind you all the Parker out brigade will have some explaining to do. That will be hilarious.
Why would the "Parker out brigade have some explaining to do"? I don't want Big Sam & have said so, nor would I want a Pulis or similar - however there's other options out there who (in my opinion) will utilise what we have better than Parker is. How without Mitrovic (plus a few others) and under increasing pressure from ffp will we be in a better position to challenge next season. Not getting that logic at all.
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Quote from: FFC1987 on November 05, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
Statto and MJG, why wouldn't he? Just out of interest.
Well for a start, total mismatch for
- Our club and ethos
- The Khans' image
- Our 'head coach' structure
- Stats-based transfer selection
- Our tactics
See, I don't know if the Khans would see it like that. i agree with what your saying just not that the Khan's wouldn't consider him.
So you think Khan snr will say, "You know what Sam, I don't mind becoming linked with a major corruption scandal, we'll change our management structure for you, I'll demote my son below you, I'll terminate our involvement with his stats business, we'll change our player recruitment process, give you total control, and let you bring in a whole new team (even though FFP means we've no money to do that) that suits your tactics, and disregard the fact that our fans won't like you or your tactics."
I don't think they'd consider him if he didn't accept large sections of our already established structure but I doubt he'd be interested in the job if he didn't accept that.
Major corruption association is a fair enough point though.
You're probably right though, I just wouldn't put it past our owners to consider him.
I think having got burnt by a big name last year they won't do the same again.... And also with his past do we want association with that?
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Quote from: Statto on November 05, 2019, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 05, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
Statto and MJG, why wouldn't he? Just out of interest.
Well for a start, total mismatch for
- Our club and ethos
- The Khans' image
- Our 'head coach' structure
- Stats-based transfer selection
- Our tactics
See, I don't know if the Khans would see it like that. i agree with what your saying just not that the Khan's wouldn't consider him.
So you think Khan snr will say, "You know what Sam, I don't mind becoming linked with a major corruption scandal, we'll change our management structure for you, I'll demote my son below you, I'll terminate our involvement with his stats business, we'll change our player recruitment process, give you total control, and let you bring in a whole new team (even though FFP means we've no money to do that) that suits your tactics, and disregard the fact that our fans won't like you or your tactics."
I don't think they'd consider him if he didn't accept large sections of our already established structure but I doubt he'd be interested in the job if he didn't accept that.
Major corruption association is a fair enough point though.
You're probably right though, I just wouldn't put it past our owners to consider him.
I think having got burnt by a big name last year they won't do the same again.... And also with his past do we want association with that?
No, of course we don't and I don't want him.
Was just looking into why people thought the owners wouldn't consider him at all.
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Quote from: Statto on November 05, 2019, 11:01:44 AM
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Quote from: Statto on November 05, 2019, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 05, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
Statto and MJG, why wouldn't he? Just out of interest.
Well for a start, total mismatch for
- Our club and ethos
- The Khans' image
- Our 'head coach' structure
- Stats-based transfer selection
- Our tactics
See, I don't know if the Khans would see it like that. i agree with what your saying just not that the Khan's wouldn't consider him.
So you think Khan snr will say, "You know what Sam, I don't mind becoming linked with a major corruption scandal, we'll change our management structure for you, I'll demote my son below you, I'll terminate our involvement with his stats business, we'll change our player recruitment process, give you total control, and let you bring in a whole new team (even though FFP means we've no money to do that) that suits your tactics, and disregard the fact that our fans won't like you or your tactics."
I don't think they'd consider him if he didn't accept large sections of our already established structure but I doubt he'd be interested in the job if he didn't accept that.
Major corruption association is a fair enough point though.
You're probably right though, I just wouldn't put it past our owners to consider him.
I think having got burnt by a big name last year they won't do the same again.... And also with his past do we want association with that?
No, of course we don't and I don't want him.
Was just looking into why people thought the owners wouldn't consider him at all.
That's fair, I've never been anti Sam as many have been but after what happened at England it's a no.
I don't really get the negativity regarding big Sam or Hughton being FFC manager. I hear a lot saying the football would be terrible ..... . I have no doubt both of the above would relish managing this squad and results would follow. I for one think the football this season has been boring to watch!
The guy has no scruples and must be either as thick as a plank or so greedy he just can't help himself. He went on for years about how good he was and how he never got a chance at a ' big job ' . Then , low and beholdĀ , he lands the England job but cannot resist the allure of the honey jar.
It will always be a huge no thank you from me
What a load of cobblers,
I take it you've found a bookmaker offering odds on next Fulham manager and had Ā£500 on it, hope you got a good price.
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Quote from: JimĀ© on November 05, 2019, 10:41:08 AM
Ha ha, you'll get what you wished for some of you if you think what you're watching now doesn't float your boat.
Big Sam? I'll not be driving up from Devon each game to watch that utter utter dross.
Me neither. I was fully signed up for the rebuild and common sense always dictated it would take more than one season despite some of the threads on here thinking we have a magic wand. I still get the Coaches Association magazine from when I used my badges and Parker was/is highly regarded. The materials he has to work with when stacked up against expectation simply don't work yet.Ā I liked the comment yesterday regarding Bilic with his 300 plus games in management opposed to Parkers twenty odd, off which some were from the train wreck of last season. I fear if Mince is right the Club is taking a different path to the Fulham I embraced years ago. Mind you all the Parker out brigade will have some explaining to do. That will be hilarious.
Why would the "Parker out brigade have some explaining to do"? I don't want Big Sam & have said so, nor would I want a Pulis or similar - however there's other options out there who (in my opinion) will utilise what we have better than Parker is. How without Mitrovic (plus a few others) and under increasing pressure from ffp will we be in a better position to challenge next season. Not getting that logic at all.
My logic is one of those great mysteries but it's usually right.
Whatever the Club does next and whoever does the job for the rest of the season has to grasp the simple fact that this squad is simply not 'it'. The options from the bench showed that on Saturday. Anybody coming in would have to get a very large drawing board out and figure out what on earth to do and with whom and how and that will take time. The same sort of time Parker should have to get more out of this team and then continue to rebuild it properly with foundations and a quality squad of eighteen not the six or seven, even that figure is questionable, better players we apparently have.
Quote from: MJG on November 05, 2019, 10:31:28 AM
Mince I know you like a joke and a bit of gossip but there is no way Sam would be given the job.
Let's hope so. Can't think of a worse choice.
Is this the same Allardyce who this morning on Talksport said (vis-a-vis Stoke i think) 'the Championship is much more physical than the Prem, at least it used to be, I don't know if it still is'.Ā Ā A man with his finger clearly OFF the pulse.
I think the Khans would consider him, because of his track record of success, and also reputation for being someoneĀ who has been an early adopter every type of modern assistance in the game, and so would presumably be experienced in the use of stats, which all clubs use now anyway, and open to new training techniques.
But I think hisĀ association with dodgy dealing, and, importantly, ptobable adverseĀ fan reaction, would go strongly against him.
But the khans are desperate for success, i think, so would probably look at everyone.
But i think they will stickĀ with Parker at the moment .
Nothing surprises me anymore, whatever happens, it's out of our hands, as it is others that will press certain buttons, if they decide prematurely to terminate the contract of another manager the Khans signed and thenĀ not long after sacked the man they employed, which signifies that the Khans judgement has been flawed since they first arrived as green as the grass at Craven Cottage and their judgement continues to be flawed.
Big sam would be good for me
he may be getting on a bit but he is a big strong uncompromising centreback
much better than our current ones get him in quick,
Quote from: bobby01 on November 05, 2019, 10:26:58 AM
As I have stated before if fat Sam is manager I will not walk through the turnstile into the cottage until the end of his tenure. I know that doesn't matter a jot in the scheme of things but to me he is everything that is wrong with football.
100% agree - Fulham FC are better than that, we have morals, we do not need his sort at our club - dinosaur tactics, kick and run football, no class - no thanks
If that knob gets the job then I will not attend anymore matches until he is sackedš”
It's a cunning plan by PP to get mugs to put money on a non-starter.
You never come across a poor Bookmaker.
Bringing in "Big Sam" to the club in any position other than manager could be a "Master Stroke". His set pieces coaching, defensive coaching, aerial coaching and understanding of "how to play against a long-ball team" are all exceptional (maybe the best in the business), which are our weaknesses. Add to that Fulham may need to introduce a long-ball variation in addition to our possession game to make us less predictable. Making Big Sam an ideal part-time coach or consultant to fix our problems.
If I owned a business I would consider anyone to get me the Ā£120m pot from promotion! The Khans will try anything and rightly so!
Style of football, England issues aside, I see no reason not to consider bigSam from a purely "get me promoted" business aspect !
I'm less on the anti Big Sam than some but I can see some strong arguments against considering him to be honest. I don't think he's quite the super negative anti football long ball merchant that some make out but he's certainly very different to what we play.
Lets hope its bullpoo Mince. Slightly better than Pullis is the only positive thing I can think of if that was to happen.
I would have no objection to Big Sam managing Fulham at any capacity, but I would still like to see Scott Parker being given longer in his tenure, we are only a third of the way into the season, and currently expectations are far too high, and therefore, disappointment comes far too rapidly for those whose expectations are unrealistic, considering that our defence is mediocre, and not enough competition for places, too much mediocrity with a number of players.
So patience is a virtue, so let's hang on to Scott, but if push comes to shove, I would not have any objections to Big Sam.
I would rather have Sanchez or Magath back than have Alardyce any where near my Club. It could end my 66 year association if he were to be appointed.
Quote from: grandad on November 06, 2019, 12:27:30 PM
I would rather have Sanchez or Magath back than have Alardyce any where near my Club. It could end my 66 year association if he were to be appointed.
Magath was a step too far.....
It's a shame if this is true, not just in terms of having Big Sam here, but also dropping Parker so soon in to his managerial career.
It does take time to get to master a new career, let alone a new job.
Unfortunately time is one thing that is in short supply, given the ambition of the Khans to go back up this season, and given the high expectations amongst us lot.
Quote from: grandad on November 06, 2019, 12:27:30 PM
I would rather have Sanchez or Magath back than have Alardyce any where near my Club. It could end my 66 year association if he were to be appointed.
No way! I'm not an Allardyce fan but would prefer him to either of these two clowns!
Latest on that bet,I managed to get it out of PP manager,is one bet stands to win just overĀ£10,000 at 12/1 quoted,so the punter has had Ā£800 on.
Well its one of two things,he obviously has money to burn,or he has heard the rumour.
Would anyone wage Ā£800 on a whim,and take a chance?
AndĀ of course Scotty might win next two,and nobody will be coming in.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on November 06, 2019, 02:40:12 PM
Latest on that bet,I managed to get it out of PP manager,is one bet stands to win just overĀ£10,000 at 12/1 quoted,so the punter has had Ā£800 on.
Well its one of two things,he obviously has money to burn,or he has heard the rumour.
Would anyone wage Ā£800 on a whim,and take a chance?
How rich are they and how naive are they? Could easily be someone with a habit, money to burn listening to a guy he likes with a hunch projecting it as insider info. Or, he has actual insider info.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on November 06, 2019, 02:40:12 PM
Latest on that bet,I managed to get it out of PP manager,is one bet stands to win just overĀ£10,000 at 12/1 quoted,so the punter has had Ā£800 on.
Well its one of two things,he obviously has money to burn,or he has heard the rumour.
Would anyone wage Ā£800 on a whim,and take a chance?
AndĀ of course Scotty might win next two,and nobody will be coming in.
Shove a monkey on it for me mince, and i will buy you a new Shed with all the trimmings.
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Quote from: Mince n Tatties on November 06, 2019, 02:40:12 PM
Latest on that bet,I managed to get it out of PP manager,is one bet stands to win just overĀ£10,000 at 12/1 quoted,so the punter has had Ā£800 on.
Well its one of two things,he obviously has money to burn,or he has heard the rumour.
Would anyone wage Ā£800 on a whim,and take a chance?
AndĀ of course Scotty might win next two,and nobody will be coming in.
Shove a monkey on it for me mince, and i will buy you a new Shed with all the trimmings.
I'm not having any Monkees living in my shed.š
Quote from: bobby01 on November 05, 2019, 10:26:58 AM
As I have stated before if fat Sam is manager I will not walk through the turnstile into the cottage until the end of his tenure. I know that doesn't matter a jot in the scheme of things but to me he is everything that is wrong with football.
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Quote from: Burt on November 06, 2019, 12:36:59 PM
It's a shame if this is true, not just in terms of having Big Sam here, but also dropping Parker so soon in to his managerial career.
It does take time to get to master a new career, let alone a new job.
Unfortunately time is one thing that is in short supply, given the ambition of the Khans to go back up this season, and given the high expectations amongst us lot.
If we go back up this season, where are the extra fans going to go until the new stand is ready? Khan will be happy with next season i would guess
Quote from: john dempsey on November 05, 2019, 07:23:09 PM
Big sam would be good for me
he may be getting on a bit but he is a big strong uncompromising centreback
much better than our current ones get him in quick,
No one can disagree with that.
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As I have stated before if fat Sam is manager I will not walk through the turnstile into the cottage until the end of his tenure. I know that doesn't matter a jot in the scheme of things but to me he is everything that is wrong with football.
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Sadly I'm becoming more dis-inclined to walk through the turnstile now for fear of being bored silly watching us under Parker - it reminds me so much of the Wilkins & Bracewell (without the clean sheets) seasons. Am not personally vindicating Sam as my chosen replacement others are out there that would get much better from our squad than Parker is and not bore us stupid doing so.
To sack Parker now would be a knee jerk reaction he needs to be given at least until Easter and sensibly another season.
However I do wonder how long us pro Parker fans can put up with poor results and performances coupled with this boring possession football.
Quote from: filham on November 07, 2019, 11:27:43 AM
To sack Parker now would be a knee jerk reaction he needs to be given at least until Easter and sensibly another season.
However I do wonder how long us pro Parker fans can put up with poor results and performances coupled with this boring possession football.
It wouldn't be a knee jerk. But I do agree.
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Quote from: filham on November 07, 2019, 11:27:43 AM
To sack Parker now would be a knee jerk reaction he needs to be given at least until Easter and sensibly another season.
However I do wonder how long us pro Parker fans can put up with poor results and performances coupled with this boring possession football.
It wouldn't be a knee jerk. But I do agree.
Sometimes is just isn't going to happen - no matter how much people want to give a manager 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 more matches. Would Wilkins or Bracewell (my favoured SP alike comparisons) have suddenly cracked it and become legends? I somewhat doubt it - did we sack both (neither particularly long term) too soon? No (in my opinion anyway) - did we prosper with their immediate succesors? Massively as Keegan & Tigana went on to destroy the division the following season in both cases. Ok - I do take the point that trusting Tony Khan to find the next Keegan or Tigana is the sticking point here!
The one case of maybe we should have stuck rather than twisted was Slav - yes it was going badly and generally a decent argument could be made to say his time was up last season, but he had already proven his capability as a manage for us. Could he turn it around? Maybe not but games like the Liverpool away showed he was actually attempting a plan B rather than relying on trying to make plan a work better. However if we had stuck with him we knew he had already done with us in the championship (and Watford before that) and he would be a good person to have lead a promotion campaign this term. All history now I know but this is a better example of giving a manager more time.
Just realised - Tigana & Keegan are both still younger than Warnock & Hodgson - bring 'em back as the dream team with Christian Damiano & Roger Propos! Keegan the motivator & Tigana the tactician/style of play guru.Ā :wine:
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 11:31:14 AM
Quote from: filham on November 07, 2019, 11:27:43 AM
To sack Parker now would be a knee jerk reaction he needs to be given at least until Easter and sensibly another season.
However I do wonder how long us pro Parker fans can put up with poor results and performances coupled with this boring possession football.
It wouldn't be a knee jerk. But I do agree.
I have an unwritten rule that if a team lose 5 in a row then thats pretty much it for a manager (hence i understood Slav going) and when a manager gets sacked at other clubs I look at that.
If they have targets (unknow to fans) and fall short then the owners make a decsion. This is what happened to Kit.
The next is if the results and performamces are so mixed and a manager loses the crowd then they are close to the door.Ā he could win 2 and then lose 2 and be out.
Is it knee jerk to sack parker?
if the target at 16 games was to to be top 2 at the very least then I'd say as long as he was within 6 points he ok. If hes closer to 10 then that could be it.
if a realistic target was in the playoffs at the very least then hes close to boarderline and again within 6.
6pts is my figure that says they are short but within reach.
To catch say the top team if you are 6 pts ahead of you takes about 6 games if you win everyone in a row.
to catch a team in 6th which is 6 points ahead iof you it takes 5 games in a row won.
Both those are the types of runs a team make from time to time.
We are within all those boundaries at this time, hence i dont see him going anywhere as he/we still have a lot of time to catch up.....BUT hes now in that realm of form, that if he drops below a point a game over say 6 games, he could be in trouble.
Quote from: MJG on November 07, 2019, 12:34:39 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 11:31:14 AM
Quote from: filham on November 07, 2019, 11:27:43 AM
To sack Parker now would be a knee jerk reaction he needs to be given at least until Easter and sensibly another season.
However I do wonder how long us pro Parker fans can put up with poor results and performances coupled with this boring possession football.
It wouldn't be a knee jerk. But I do agree.
I have an unwritten rule that if a team lose 5 in a row then thats pretty much it for a manager (hence i understood Slav going) and when a manager gets sacked at other clubs I look at that.
If they have targets (unknow to fans) and fall short then the owners make a decsion. This is what happened to Kit.
The next is if the results and performamces are so mixed and a manager loses the crowd then they are close to the door.Ā he could win 2 and then lose 2 and be out.
Is it knee jerk to sack parker?
if the target at 16 games was to to be top 2 at the very least then I'd say as long as he was within 6 points he ok. If hes closer to 10 then that could be it.
if a realistic target was in the playoffs at the very least then hes close to boarderline and again within 6.
6pts is my figure that says they are short but within reach.
To catch say the top team if you are 6 pts ahead of you takes about 6 games if you win everyone in a row.
to catch a team in 6th which is 6 points ahead iof you it takes 5 games in a row won.
Both those are the types of runs a team make from time to time.
We are within all those boundaries at this time, hence i dont see him going anywhere as he/we still have a lot of time to catch up.....BUT hes now in that realm of form, that if he drops below a point a game over say 6 games, he could be in trouble.
Honestly, I don't disagree with that and I don't think unless we lose to Birmingham, he'll be gone but I'd like to think the owners will be at least looking at the fixtures alongside the table. If we'd of had a tough run in the last 6 games and we're within this range, I'd likely say it was a knee jerk but we really aren't. As someone else mentioned, if you look at Leeds and their run of 5 games compared to ours, and their last 5 compared to ours, you can only really deduce that the gap will likely widen unless we completely change (which it might) but if I'm the owner, I can 100% justify a replacement of someone with more experience based on performance and table against fixtures played.
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 12:44:10 PM
Quote from: MJG on November 07, 2019, 12:34:39 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 11:31:14 AM
Quote from: filham on November 07, 2019, 11:27:43 AM
To sack Parker now would be a knee jerk reaction he needs to be given at least until Easter and sensibly another season.
However I do wonder how long us pro Parker fans can put up with poor results and performances coupled with this boring possession football.
It wouldn't be a knee jerk. But I do agree.
I have an unwritten rule that if a team lose 5 in a row then thats pretty much it for a manager (hence i understood Slav going) and when a manager gets sacked at other clubs I look at that.
If they have targets (unknow to fans) and fall short then the owners make a decsion. This is what happened to Kit.
The next is if the results and performamces are so mixed and a manager loses the crowd then they are close to the door.Ā he could win 2 and then lose 2 and be out.
Is it knee jerk to sack parker?
if the target at 16 games was to to be top 2 at the very least then I'd say as long as he was within 6 points he ok. If hes closer to 10 then that could be it.
if a realistic target was in the playoffs at the very least then hes close to boarderline and again within 6.
6pts is my figure that says they are short but within reach.
To catch say the top team if you are 6 pts ahead of you takes about 6 games if you win everyone in a row.
to catch a team in 6th which is 6 points ahead iof you it takes 5 games in a row won.
Both those are the types of runs a team make from time to time.
We are within all those boundaries at this time, hence i dont see him going anywhere as he/we still have a lot of time to catch up.....BUT hes now in that realm of form, that if he drops below a point a game over say 6 games, he could be in trouble.
Honestly, I don't disagree with that and I don't think unless we lose to Birmingham, he'll be gone but I'd like to think the owners will be at least looking at the fixtures alongside the table. If we'd of had a tough run in the last 6 games and we're within this range, I'd likely say it was a knee jerk but we really aren't. As someone else mentioned, if you look at Leeds and their run of 5 games compared to ours, and their last 5 compared to ours, you can only really deduce that the gap will likely widen unless we completely change (which it might) but if I'm the owner, I can 100% justify a replacement of someone with more experience based on performance and table against fixtures played.
As I have shown on fixtures played we are maybe 1-2 points short of where we should be for 6th and about 5 points short of 2nd. We are boarderkline at this moment in time for 2nd but still short of it if looking at playoffs.
Its touch and go for Parker at the moment I reckon. Think its 60/40 in his favour at the moment...but tipping point could be soon.
Quote from: MJG on November 07, 2019, 12:56:44 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 12:44:10 PM
Quote from: MJG on November 07, 2019, 12:34:39 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 11:31:14 AM
Quote from: filham on November 07, 2019, 11:27:43 AM
To sack Parker now would be a knee jerk reaction he needs to be given at least until Easter and sensibly another season.
However I do wonder how long us pro Parker fans can put up with poor results and performances coupled with this boring possession football.
It wouldn't be a knee jerk. But I do agree.
I have an unwritten rule that if a team lose 5 in a row then thats pretty much it for a manager (hence i understood Slav going) and when a manager gets sacked at other clubs I look at that.
If they have targets (unknow to fans) and fall short then the owners make a decsion. This is what happened to Kit.
The next is if the results and performamces are so mixed and a manager loses the crowd then they are close to the door.Ā he could win 2 and then lose 2 and be out.
Is it knee jerk to sack parker?
if the target at 16 games was to to be top 2 at the very least then I'd say as long as he was within 6 points he ok. If hes closer to 10 then that could be it.
if a realistic target was in the playoffs at the very least then hes close to boarderline and again within 6.
6pts is my figure that says they are short but within reach.
To catch say the top team if you are 6 pts ahead of you takes about 6 games if you win everyone in a row.
to catch a team in 6th which is 6 points ahead iof you it takes 5 games in a row won.
Both those are the types of runs a team make from time to time.
We are within all those boundaries at this time, hence i dont see him going anywhere as he/we still have a lot of time to catch up.....BUT hes now in that realm of form, that if he drops below a point a game over say 6 games, he could be in trouble.
Honestly, I don't disagree with that and I don't think unless we lose to Birmingham, he'll be gone but I'd like to think the owners will be at least looking at the fixtures alongside the table. If we'd of had a tough run in the last 6 games and we're within this range, I'd likely say it was a knee jerk but we really aren't. As someone else mentioned, if you look at Leeds and their run of 5 games compared to ours, and their last 5 compared to ours, you can only really deduce that the gap will likely widen unless we completely change (which it might) but if I'm the owner, I can 100% justify a replacement of someone with more experience based on performance and table against fixtures played.
As I have shown on fixtures played we are maybe 1-2 points short of where we should be for 6th and about 5 points short of 2nd. We are boarderkline at this moment in time for 2nd but still short of it if looking at playoffs.
Its touch and go for Parker at the moment I reckon. Think its 60/40 in his favour at the moment...but tipping point could be soon.
Thats fair. I just still can't get my head around the fixtures we've dropped points in specifically.
Quote from: MJG on November 07, 2019, 12:56:44 PM
As I have shown on fixtures played we are maybe 1-2 points short of where we should be for 6th and about 5 points short of 2nd. We are boarderkline at this moment in time for 2nd but still short of it if looking at playoffs.
Its touch and go for Parker at the moment I reckon. Think its 60/40 in his favour at the moment...but tipping point could be soon.
I remember the tables you produced in our two more successful Championship seasons where you clearly demonstrated how difficult it is to play catch-up, and I agree it will not take much for Parker to cross the line which says 'enough is enough'.Ā Parker was signed up to get promotion; he was seemingly involved in all recruitment matters; supporters have high expectations given the apparent power we have up front but what is consistently missing are the results that put three points in the bag.Ā If the catching up process isn't bad enough (and it is much under estimated by some on here), it is also the need to stay at that level once you are up there with the leaders.Ā Parker has to produce a team that not only consistently puts points in the bag but looks the part when it is doing so, because that is how and where you obtain a psychological advantage over your opponents.
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 05, 2019, 11:06:54 AM
Quote from: Statto on November 05, 2019, 11:01:44 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 05, 2019, 10:56:31 AM
Quote from: Statto on November 05, 2019, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 05, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
Statto and MJG, why wouldn't he? Just out of interest.
Well for a start, total mismatch for
- Our club and ethos
- The Khans' image
- Our 'head coach' structure
- Stats-based transfer selection
- Our tactics
See, I don't know if the Khans would see it like that. i agree with what your saying just not that the Khan's wouldn't consider him.
So you think Khan snr will say, "You know what Sam, I don't mind becoming linked with a major corruption scandal, we'll change our management structure for you, I'll demote my son below you, I'll terminate our involvement with his stats business, we'll change our player recruitment process, give you total control, and let you bring in a whole new team (even though FFP means we've no money to do that) that suits your tactics, and disregard the fact that our fans won't like you or your tactics."
I don't think they'd consider him if he didn't accept large sections of our already established structure but I doubt he'd be interested in the job if he didn't accept that.
Major corruption association is a fair enough point though.
You're probably right though, I just wouldn't put it past our owners to consider him.
I wouldn't put it passed out owners to splash out on Mourinho
Quote from: Jims Dentist on November 08, 2019, 05:53:17 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 05, 2019, 11:06:54 AM
Quote from: Statto on November 05, 2019, 11:01:44 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 05, 2019, 10:56:31 AM
Quote from: Statto on November 05, 2019, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 05, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
Statto and MJG, why wouldn't he? Just out of interest.
Well for a start, total mismatch for
- Our club and ethos
- The Khans' image
- Our 'head coach' structure
- Stats-based transfer selection
- Our tactics
See, I don't know if the Khans would see it like that. i agree with what your saying just not that the Khan's wouldn't consider him.
So you think Khan snr will say, "You know what Sam, I don't mind becoming linked with a major corruption scandal, we'll change our management structure for you, I'll demote my son below you, I'll terminate our involvement with his stats business, we'll change our player recruitment process, give you total control, and let you bring in a whole new team (even though FFP means we've no money to do that) that suits your tactics, and disregard the fact that our fans won't like you or your tactics."
I don't think they'd consider him if he didn't accept large sections of our already established structure but I doubt he'd be interested in the job if he didn't accept that.
Major corruption association is a fair enough point though.
You're probably right though, I just wouldn't put it past our owners to consider him.
I wouldn't put it passed out owners to splash out on Mourinho
I forsee a Bracewell - Tigana scenario at the end of the season. Us finishing 8th to 12th, Parker makes way for Mourinho / Benitez / A N Other
Quote from: MJG on November 07, 2019, 12:34:39 PM
I have an unwritten rule that if a team lose 5 in a row then thats pretty much it for a manager (hence i understood Slav going) and when a manager gets sacked at other clubs I look at that. If they have targets (unknow to fans) and fall short then the owners make a decsion. This is what happened to Kit.
The next is if the results and performamces are so mixed and a manager loses the crowd then they are close to the door,Ā he could win 2 and then lose 2 and be out. Is it knee jerk to sack parker?
If the target at 16 games was to to be top 2 at the very least then I'd say as long as he was within 6 points he ok. If hes closer to 10 then that could be it. If a realistic target was in the playoffs at the very least then hes close to boarderline and again within 6. 6pts is my figure that says they are short but within reach. To catch say the top team if you are 6 pts ahead of you takes about 6 games if you win everyone in a row, to catch a team in 6th which is 6 points ahead of you it takes 5 games in a row won. Both those are the types of runs a team make from time to time.
We are within all those boundaries at this time, hence i dont see him going anywhere as he/we still have a lot of time to catch up.....BUT hes now in that realm of form, that if he drops below a point a game over say 6 games, he could be in trouble.
Another brilliant post by MJG, as you hinted its the expectations Scott Parker has set "The Khans" that will ultimately determine this season and if he falls short of those expectations he will gone. Just as important, is Scott Parker explanation for the causes of last years under performance, because obviously FFC would have done everything to address that problem and if fixing it doesn't make a difference, then "The Khans" will doubt his abilities as manager.
The most likely explanations that Parker gave for last years performance problems were TK's recruitment and/or Slavisa's tactics, but there could be other reasons. If they fix what Parker said were Fulham's problems and bad performance continues, then there must be another problem that Parker didn't identify. If Parker fails to identify the problems at the club for the season of 18/19, then I really doubt they will want him taking the team forward.
I have never believed that recruitment was last years problem, we had a decent enough team to at least finish 17th ahead of Brighton and Cardiff. I am happy to acknowledge the Ā£100m wasn't spent well, but we were better than Cardiff in early 2018, we got better players than them in the summer and then Cardiff were then better than us in late 2018.
Think todays result at least kills all this talk for two weeks at least
Well, let's at least hope we can finally build on this now. We just want to get ya up that table! Although no points gained on top 2 frustratingly.
We ground it out today, but sometimes we have to, otherwise we won't win a coconut. Mitro was superb today, it's surprising what can be achieved if players play as a unit, and roll up their sleeves and bust a gut.
Which is something not enough Fulham players have done often enough in the last 15 months. A successful team has to have a heart beat, without that its doome'd, no matter how many big time charlie's who are basically passengers are in the team. Playing as a unit, whether it's going forwards sideways and backwards. This result will at least improve moral, team spirit and confidence, and we needed it after last week. As I have often said a week let alone a month is a long time in football.
Don't panic Mr Mannering, not yet anyway.
