Reports that Seri has been so successful at Galatasaray that they are in talks to send him back to Fulham. His mistakes have cost them so far and they want him out. Could be the hard working midfield genius we need to....oh hang on.
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 05, 2019, 03:51:02 PM
Reports that Seri has been so successful at Galatasaray that they are in talks to send him back to Fulham. His mistakes have cost them so far and they want him out. Could be the hard working midfield genius we need to....oh hang on.
Ovaltine and a soft biscuit then bed.
What next ? A plague of locusts?
Where too? His own country? :doh:
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Quote from: ScalleysDad on November 05, 2019, 07:41:16 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 05, 2019, 03:51:02 PM
Reports that Seri has been so successful at Galatasaray that they are in talks to send him back to Fulham. His mistakes have cost them so far and they want him out. Could be the hard working midfield genius we need to....oh hang on.
Ovaltine and a soft biscuit then bed.
Nurse says I can only have hot drinks before bedtime under supervision. But I can still have the biscuit.
Seri in the team against Real Madrid.
0:2 after 7 min
Quote from: humussapiens on November 06, 2019, 08:08:22 PM
Seri in the team against Real Madrid.
0:2 after 7 min
So is Babel and I know which one I would like to come back.
Losing 4-0 at half time so they are having a tough time
It's unlikely to happen but I'd welcome him if he did. He has a point to prove and has real quality.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on November 06, 2019, 08:58:08 PM
It's unlikely to happen but I'd welcome him if he did. He has a point to prove and has real quality.
But a poor attitude I reckon. Best a long way from our squad.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on November 06, 2019, 08:58:08 PM
It's unlikely to happen but I'd welcome him if he did. He has a point to prove and has real quality.
Frankly, it wouldn't do Cairney any harm to get subbed off every game at 65 mins and have some competition.
one of the biggest factors allegedly in the terrible dressing room morale/team spirit. Never wanted to be here, body language was awful, terrible attitude - no ta, keep him well away.
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 10:10:46 AM
one of the biggest factors allegedly in the terrible dressing room morale/team spirit. Never wanted to be here, body language was awful, terrible attitude - no ta, keep him well away.
Yep, think a player like him can be hugely toxic for the atmosphere- especially when things aren't going well.
Quote from: Jim© on November 07, 2019, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 10:10:46 AM
one of the biggest factors allegedly in the terrible dressing room morale/team spirit. Never wanted to be here, body language was awful, terrible attitude - no ta, keep him well away.
Yep, think a player like him can be hugely toxic for the atmosphere- especially when things aren't going well.
I don't doubt for a minute that certain players can negatively effect the dressing room morale/team spirit. However, outside of people being disappointed in his performances, and subjectively thinking that his body language or whatever was proof of a bad attitude, has there even been any reports whatsoever of Seri being a bad egg within the team? Genuine question, as I cannot remember it.
Quote from: Sting of the North on November 07, 2019, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: Jim© on November 07, 2019, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 10:10:46 AM
one of the biggest factors allegedly in the terrible dressing room morale/team spirit. Never wanted to be here, body language was awful, terrible attitude - no ta, keep him well away.
Yep, think a player like him can be hugely toxic for the atmosphere- especially when things aren't going well.
I don't doubt for a minute that certain players can negatively effect the dressing room morale/team spirit. However, outside of people being disappointed in his performances, and subjectively thinking that his body language or whatever was proof of a bad attitude, has there even been any reports whatsoever of Seri being a bad egg within the team? Genuine question, as I cannot remember it.
I can only remember a comment from Ream I believe it was suggesting new players who came in weren't working/training hard enough or something to those lines and presumably that was largely aimed at Seri/Anguissa? No out and out names and I've not seen anything officially pointing at them, but i think you can assume it was likely these two.
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 12:22:32 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on November 07, 2019, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: Jim© on November 07, 2019, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 10:10:46 AM
one of the biggest factors allegedly in the terrible dressing room morale/team spirit. Never wanted to be here, body language was awful, terrible attitude - no ta, keep him well away.
Yep, think a player like him can be hugely toxic for the atmosphere- especially when things aren't going well.
I don't doubt for a minute that certain players can negatively effect the dressing room morale/team spirit. However, outside of people being disappointed in his performances, and subjectively thinking that his body language or whatever was proof of a bad attitude, has there even been any reports whatsoever of Seri being a bad egg within the team? Genuine question, as I cannot remember it.
I can only remember a comment from Ream I believe it was suggesting new players who came in weren't working/training hard enough or something to those lines and presumably that was largely aimed at Seri/Anguissa? No out and out names and I've not seen anything officially pointing at them, but i think you can assume it was likely these two.
Not saying you are wrong, and Ream may very well have meant Seri, but why those two in particular and not any of the other 9 or so new players last season? Maybe he meant Bryan and Mawson? Maybe I am just rather not fond of assuming things based on very little evidence. Particularly I think it is very easy to attribute such things to players that one is not a fan of to begin with (not saying that is what you are doing, but more generally when judging players).
Quote from: Sting of the North on November 07, 2019, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 12:22:32 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on November 07, 2019, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: Jim© on November 07, 2019, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 10:10:46 AM
one of the biggest factors allegedly in the terrible dressing room morale/team spirit. Never wanted to be here, body language was awful, terrible attitude - no ta, keep him well away.
Yep, think a player like him can be hugely toxic for the atmosphere- especially when things aren't going well.
I don't doubt for a minute that certain players can negatively effect the dressing room morale/team spirit. However, outside of people being disappointed in his performances, and subjectively thinking that his body language or whatever was proof of a bad attitude, has there even been any reports whatsoever of Seri being a bad egg within the team? Genuine question, as I cannot remember it.
I can only remember a comment from Ream I believe it was suggesting new players who came in weren't working/training hard enough or something to those lines and presumably that was largely aimed at Seri/Anguissa? No out and out names and I've not seen anything officially pointing at them, but i think you can assume it was likely these two.
Not saying you are wrong, and Ream may very well have meant Seri, but why those two in particular and not any of the other 9 or so new players last season? Maybe he meant Bryan and Mawson? Maybe I am just rather not fond of assuming things based on very little evidence. Particularly I think it is very easy to attribute such things to players that one is not a fan of to begin with (not saying that is what you are doing, but more generally when judging players).
Put it this way, I think it was definitely including more than just Anguissa and Seri, but we have hindsight and can see body language and can see relationships within the squad then and now. Do you really think he meant Mawson and Bryan, compared to say Anguissa and Seri? if Mawson had these problems, he'd of been out on loan like these two and parker wouldn't be picking him. I think Seri was in that bracket. Not sure about Anguissa but probably. Mawson and bryan seem to have strong relationships from social media and banter amongst the team so I'm way more inclined to suggest these two were very likely part of what ream meant. I'd rather stronger evidence, sure, but the deductions above would point to them I'd say.
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 12:35:48 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on November 07, 2019, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 12:22:32 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on November 07, 2019, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: Jim© on November 07, 2019, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 10:10:46 AM
one of the biggest factors allegedly in the terrible dressing room morale/team spirit. Never wanted to be here, body language was awful, terrible attitude - no ta, keep him well away.
Yep, think a player like him can be hugely toxic for the atmosphere- especially when things aren't going well.
I don't doubt for a minute that certain players can negatively effect the dressing room morale/team spirit. However, outside of people being disappointed in his performances, and subjectively thinking that his body language or whatever was proof of a bad attitude, has there even been any reports whatsoever of Seri being a bad egg within the team? Genuine question, as I cannot remember it.
I can only remember a comment from Ream I believe it was suggesting new players who came in weren't working/training hard enough or something to those lines and presumably that was largely aimed at Seri/Anguissa? No out and out names and I've not seen anything officially pointing at them, but i think you can assume it was likely these two.
Not saying you are wrong, and Ream may very well have meant Seri, but why those two in particular and not any of the other 9 or so new players last season? Maybe he meant Bryan and Mawson? Maybe I am just rather not fond of assuming things based on very little evidence. Particularly I think it is very easy to attribute such things to players that one is not a fan of to begin with (not saying that is what you are doing, but more generally when judging players).
Put it this way, I think it was definitely including more than just Anguissa and Seri, but we have hindsight and can see body language and can see relationships within the squad then and now. Do you really think he meant Mawson and Bryan, compared to say Anguissa and Seri? if Mawson had these problems, he'd of been out on loan like these two and parker wouldn't be picking him. I think Seri was in that bracket. Not sure about Anguissa but probably. Mawson and bryan seem to have strong relationships from social media and banter amongst the team so I'm way more inclined to suggest these two were very likely part of what ream meant. I'd rather stronger evidence, sure, but the deductions above would point to them I'd say.
At this point (and I don't like doing this generally), I'll say I've a reliable source who works within Motspur Park (who for obvious reasons cannot be named) and Seri was part of a very prominent clique that used to keep themselves away from the rest of the squad whenever possible. This included these players (yes Anguissa also included) sitting together always at meal times after training & the like. Now I've been very critical of Parker ... but to his credit one of the first things he did when he took over last season was to get rid of that and basically forced that group to integrate. Seri generally was never happy to be a Fulham & only joined for £££ and as his French club wanted to sell at the price on offer, he was quoted as saying he had never even heard of Fulham prior to joining.
Seri can stay well away - bad attitude, bad influence, send him back to a French ligue 1 side on loan and hope he does well so we can get a chunk of our dosh back.
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 12:35:48 PM
Put it this way, I think it was definitely including more than just Anguissa and Seri, but we have hindsight and can see body language and can see relationships within the squad then and now. Do you really think he meant Mawson and Bryan, compared to say Anguissa and Seri? if Mawson had these problems, he'd of been out on loan like these two and parker wouldn't be picking him. I think Seri was in that bracket. Not sure about Anguissa but probably. Mawson and bryan seem to have strong relationships from social media and banter amongst the team so I'm way more inclined to suggest these two were very likely part of what ream meant. I'd rather stronger evidence, sure, but the deductions above would point to them I'd say.
I don't really think anything in particular regarding who was the target of a quote from Ream from a year ago. Maybe Bryan was lazy at practice initially but still liked by most because he's a great guy. Or maybe not. Deductions based on an almost complete lack of evidence and context is just not my forte. Maybe one day someone will write about this in a book, and then we'd at least have some (very subjective) more tangible evidence.
I remember though that I thought at the time that Ream's comment was something that sounded counter productive and frankly like he was trying to blame everyone else when he should have looked to himself first and foremost. But that is because I believe that such matters are better kept within the team and better said to someone's face if your goal is to resolve the issues. Blaming teammates in the media is not very impressive in my book. Then again, I have no further context to this, so maybe Ream's comment was somewhat justified.
Quote from: Sting of the North on November 07, 2019, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 12:35:48 PM
Put it this way, I think it was definitely including more than just Anguissa and Seri, but we have hindsight and can see body language and can see relationships within the squad then and now. Do you really think he meant Mawson and Bryan, compared to say Anguissa and Seri? if Mawson had these problems, he'd of been out on loan like these two and parker wouldn't be picking him. I think Seri was in that bracket. Not sure about Anguissa but probably. Mawson and bryan seem to have strong relationships from social media and banter amongst the team so I'm way more inclined to suggest these two were very likely part of what ream meant. I'd rather stronger evidence, sure, but the deductions above would point to them I'd say.
I don't really think anything in particular regarding who was the target of a quote from Ream from a year ago. Maybe Bryan was lazy at practice initially but still liked by most because he's a great guy. Or maybe not. Deductions based on an almost complete lack of evidence and context is just not my forte. Maybe one day someone will write about this in a book, and then we'd at least have some (very subjective) more tangible evidence.
I remember though that I thought at the time that Ream's comment was something that sounded counter productive and frankly like he was trying to blame everyone else when he should have looked to himself first and foremost. But that is because I believe that such matters are better kept within the team and better said to someone's face if your goal is to resolve the issues. Blaming teammates in the media is not very impressive in my book. Then again, I have no further context to this, so maybe Ream's comment was somewhat justified.
To be fair, you asked where the accusation came from or if anything was said, I've told you it likely comes from the Ream comment and laid out why it's likely those two+ others but we're specifically talking about Seri along with reasons why Ream's statement is likely talking about Seri (or including) including social media interaction, squad interaction and body language, and we now have someone claiming an ITK account pointing the finger to him. It's not really a witch hunt scenario but I'd argue theres potentially a valuable point here that something wasn't quite right with his attitude. If you don't think any of that can be used as evidence then we'll just agree to disagree but I still think its laughable not to really consider it all things considered.
I'd also disagree on Ream saying something or not. hes actually a good egg and if anything wasn't right, I think he has enough integrity to point it out as he has done.
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 12:54:47 PM
At this point (and I don't like doing this generally), I'll say I've a reliable source who works within Motspur Park (who for obvious reasons cannot be named) and Seri was part of a very prominent clique that used to keep themselves away from the rest of the squad whenever possible. This included these players (yes Anguissa also included) sitting together always at meal times after training & the like. Now I've been very critical of Parker ... but to his credit one of the first things he did when he took over last season was to get rid of that and basically forced that group to integrate. Seri generally was never happy to be a Fulham & only joined for £££ and as his French club wanted to sell at the price on offer, he was quoted as saying he had never even heard of Fulham prior to joining.
Seri can stay well away - bad attitude, bad influence, send him back to a French ligue 1 side on loan and hope he does well so we can get a chunk of our dosh back.
What? A new player in a new country who speaks French found it easier to socialise with another player who had joined at the same time and from the same country, spoke the same language and came from a similar cultural background, rather than socialising with the existing gang of British lads who'd known each other for years?
I am just so shocked and disgusted by this!!
Seri doesn't fit in Fulham for lots of reasons, the game in England is too physical for him, including the fact that he couldn't be bothered either to make an effort to integrate.
Bring him back,,,could do with another bricklayer or labourer to build the stand !
Absolutley usless in this league.....
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 01:30:07 PM
To be fair, you asked where the accusation came from or if anything was said, I've told you it likely comes from the Ream comment and laid out why it's likely those two+ others but we're specifically talking about Seri along with reasons why Ream's statement is likely talking about Seri (or including) including social media interaction, squad interaction and body language, and we now have someone claiming an ITK account pointing the finger to him. It's not really a witch hunt scenario but I'd argue theres potentially a valuable point here that something wasn't quite right with his attitude. If you don't think any of that can be used as evidence then we'll just agree to disagree but I still think its laughable not to really consider it all things considered.
I'd also disagree on Ream saying something or not. hes actually a good egg and if anything wasn't right, I think he has enough integrity to point it out as he has done.
I asked, and you provided one possible explanation. I didn't try to discredit your claim as such and neither did I say that your reasoning lacked logic. I just tried to explain that such vague "evidence" is not worth much in my book (which is not about whether something should be considered as "evidence", but more on how one subjectively value the specific information, which is actually quite a big difference). I considered it, and attached a very low value to it as evidence. The additional information provided by Spirit of 2000 is worth a little more to me, because although completely unconfirmed (as is often the nature in most such cases) and lacking much context it at least directly claims that Seri was a bad influence (meaning that one didn't have to make that part up from bits and pieces of other information).
I do respect that you have a different view here, and have no problem with that (I don't even feel the need to call your strong faith in this "evidence" laughable, but maybe that is where we differ on a more fundamental level).
As for Ream I don't feel the need to question your claim that Ream is a good egg, because you may well be right (and you can maybe even back it up), but that is first and foremost because other than the mentioned interview I have seen nothing that gives me a reason to believe that he isn't (a good egg). I still don't attach much value to the claim though (since without context it just comes out of thin air). I also don't think that even if he's generally a good egg, that calling your teammates out in the media is the correct course of action when the team is struggling (as always I am perfectly fine with others not agreeing with this view).
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2019, 02:21:07 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 12:54:47 PM
At this point (and I don't like doing this generally), I'll say I've a reliable source who works within Motspur Park (who for obvious reasons cannot be named) and Seri was part of a very prominent clique that used to keep themselves away from the rest of the squad whenever possible. This included these players (yes Anguissa also included) sitting together always at meal times after training & the like. Now I've been very critical of Parker ... but to his credit one of the first things he did when he took over last season was to get rid of that and basically forced that group to integrate. Seri generally was never happy to be a Fulham & only joined for £££ and as his French club wanted to sell at the price on offer, he was quoted as saying he had never even heard of Fulham prior to joining.
Seri can stay well away - bad attitude, bad influence, send him back to a French ligue 1 side on loan and hope he does well so we can get a chunk of our dosh back.
What? A new player in a new country who speaks French found it easier to socialise with another player who had joined at the same time and from the same country, spoke the same language and came from a similar cultural background, rather than socialising with the existing gang of British lads who'd known each other for years?
I am just so sho4cked and disgusted by this!!
It wasn't just Seri and Anguissa it was about a group of 6 in a clique and Parker thought it unhealthy enough to put a stop to it immediately
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2019, 02:21:07 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 12:54:47 PM
At this point (and I don't like doing this generally), I'll say I've a reliable source who works within Motspur Park (who for obvious reasons cannot be named) and Seri was part of a very prominent clique that used to keep themselves away from the rest of the squad whenever possible. This included these players (yes Anguissa also included) sitting together always at meal times after training & the like. Now I've been very critical of Parker ... but to his credit one of the first things he did when he took over last season was to get rid of that and basically forced that group to integrate. Seri generally was never happy to be a Fulham & only joined for £££ and as his French club wanted to sell at the price on offer, he was quoted as saying he had never even heard of Fulham prior to joining.
Seri can stay well away - bad attitude, bad influence, send him back to a French ligue 1 side on loan and hope he does well so we can get a chunk of our dosh back.
What? A new player in a new country who speaks French found it easier to socialise with another player who had joined at the same time and from the same country, spoke the same language and came from a similar cultural background, rather than socialising with the existing gang of British lads who'd known each other for years?
I am just so sho4cked and disgusted by this!!
It wasn't just Seri and Anguissa it was about a group of 6 in a clique and Parker thought it unhealthy enough to put a stop to it immediately
So even if all this is true, it doesn't really need to mean that Seri in particular is worse than most players, does it? Money is one of the most important things for many players. Likewise, why would it matter if Seri had heard of Fulham beforehand? Nothing here really explains why he is such a bad influence.
However, if true that he really doesn't want to be here (and it may very well be true), then it is probably better for the team if he isn't.
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2019, 02:21:07 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 12:54:47 PM
At this point (and I don't like doing this generally), I'll say I've a reliable source who works within Motspur Park (who for obvious reasons cannot be named) and Seri was part of a very prominent clique that used to keep themselves away from the rest of the squad whenever possible. This included these players (yes Anguissa also included) sitting together always at meal times after training & the like. Now I've been very critical of Parker ... but to his credit one of the first things he did when he took over last season was to get rid of that and basically forced that group to integrate. Seri generally was never happy to be a Fulham & only joined for £££ and as his French club wanted to sell at the price on offer, he was quoted as saying he had never even heard of Fulham prior to joining.
Seri can stay well away - bad attitude, bad influence, send him back to a French ligue 1 side on loan and hope he does well so we can get a chunk of our dosh back.
What? A new player in a new country who speaks French found it easier to socialise with another player who had joined at the same time and from the same country, spoke the same language and came from a similar cultural background, rather than socialising with the existing gang of British lads who'd known each other for years?
I am just so sho4cked and disgusted by this!!
It wasn't just Seri and Anguissa it was about a group of 6 in a clique and Parker thought it unhealthy enough to put a stop to it immediately
Well I'm guessing the 3rd was Le Marchand who joined with Seri from Nice (again, perfectly understandable IMO) and a few of the other new lads.
Having followed most of the players closely on social media for some time, I wouldn't be surprised if the most blameworthy group was actually the existing core of British players (Bettinelli, McDonald et al) because they strike me as having the most discernible "clique"
In any case, I don't consider a mild divide between new/foreign and existing/domestic players as unusual or worrisome, nor do I think it a particularly profound or novel idea for Parker to have tried to integrate them more closely (if indeed he did do anything that Jokanovic and Ranieri hadn't already done before him)
What I will say is it reflects poorly on our transfer strategy and TK, for not anticipating this as an inevitable consequences of bringing in a large number of new, foreign-based players in a short space of time
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 05, 2019, 03:51:02 PM
Reports that Seri has been so successful at Galatasaray that they are in talks to send him back to Fulham. His mistakes have cost them so far and they want him out. Could be the hard working midfield genius we need to....oh hang on.
Watched some of that Galatasaray 6 nil drubbing at the hands of Real Madrid yesterday. Seri looked very un-impressive to say the least. Former Cottager Babel looked ok, just ok, but they were totally outmatched in that game. Not sure a Seri return is all that favorable for FFC?
