I know I know, it's yet another thread on him, but here's my two cents. I like him, I think he's doing fairly well for his first manager job. Has he even got a year's experience?
I think he's been brave to get us playing such expansive football and I like how we play albeit I think we need to make several tactical tweaks. I also think he is trying different things to make it work better.
We've all too often been let down by individual errors rather than tactical errors, which isn't to say there's been no tactical errors. It falls under his remit to coach players and motivate players to cut out the errors. It's also the job of the players to take responsibility for that themselves.
I will be very very upset if we sign a negative manager like Moyes or Allardyce.
All in all I think we need to give him till Christmas so long as we're in or around the play offs and I think he can and will do better.
Is anyone with me?
I am with you.
I was thrilled how he started, feel like he has got things a bit wrong at the moment and maybe the international break will be a good time for him to reflect. But I am less sure of him now because this is possesion for its own sake, not with a purpose and our set pieces are shambolic. But certainly I would not make a change yet, we are still well placed and a couple of wins on the bounce and we will see confidence soar. IMO TC needs to be played deeper and more central and that will be 65% of the tweaks done.
Expansive football? Explain. Boring one dimensional in my view.
He is doing very well for us as first manager, that will became a great manager and as a Fulham fan so what.
If we stay in this division and we keep him, then in a couple of years he will probably get us to the playoffs with no money, only to get beaten by some big budget parchuate payment club. People will say he deserves a team with a bigger budget.
Everyone in the land will be singing Parker's praises as he gets offerred a premier league team like Tottenham or Chelsea (which he'll take), while we are struggling to build a team with our gate receipts and Mr Khans money who is now bored financially supporting a mid-table championship club that cannot invest due to FFP rules.
I'm with you too , I really don't think we'll be good enough for promotion or maybe even the play offs level (quite) this season. Let's hope he learns and gathers invaluable experience from the whole season.
Slightly off the subject I personally don't like so many lone players as good as they may be, because next season they could begone and we need to start a new jelling process.
Quote from: bobbo on November 06, 2019, 11:32:52 PM
I'm with you too , I really don't think we'll be good enough for promotion or maybe even the play offs level (quite) this season. Let's hope he learns and gathers invaluable experience from the whole season.
Slightly off the subject I personally don't like so many lone players as good as they may be, because next season they could begone and we need to start a new jelling process.
Agreed
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on November 06, 2019, 09:06:06 PM
I know I know, it's yet another thread on him, but here's my two cents. I like him, I think he's doing fairly well for his first manager job. Has he even got a year's experience?
I think he's been brave to get us playing such expansive football and I like how we play albeit I think we need to make several tactical tweaks. I also think he is trying different things to make it work better.
We've all too often been let down by individual errors rather than tactical errors, which isn't to say there's been no tactical errors. It falls under his remit to coach players and motivate players to cut out the errors. It's also the job of the players to take responsibility for that themselves.
I will be very very upset if we sign a negative manager like Moyes or Allardyce.
All in all I think we need to give him till Christmas so long as we're in or around the play offs and I think he can and will do better.
Is anyone with me?
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Got mixed views about the best course of action at this point, but if we don't get promoted he absolutely should be unceremoniously sacked at the end of the season
Amazing how y'all know what Parker and Khan are thinking. Can't wait until they both are gone so I can read you guys complaining about their replacements.
There is a baseball team in the US (Chicago Cubs) who play in an iconic century old stadium and hadn't won anything in 71 years. When they finally did I saw some fan interviews and they seemed almost disappointed. It was if they enjoyed losing. Masochistic so to speak. I noticed some of that when I came on board at Fulham in 2004. Didn't understand the Cubs fans and don't understand some of you.
Khan, despite his many mistakes, really seems to have the best long term interest of FFC at heart. Parker, despite his mistakes, has my confidence. If you brought in Sir Alex and gave him a blank check, FFC would not be winning in the Prem without being bankrupt in short order. There is no way a club the size of Fulham is going to be a consistent winner in the Prem of today. Tear down the cottage and build some generic 70k seat stadium and they might have a chance but then, it wouldn't be Fulham, now would it?
Enjoy when you can and cry when you must.
COYW!
Quote from: YankeeJim on November 06, 2019, 11:58:21 PM
Amazing how y'all know what Parker and Khan are thinking. Can't wait until they both are gone so I can read you guys complaining about their replacements.
There is a baseball team in the US (Chicago Cubs) who play in an iconic century old stadium and hadn't won anything in 71 years. When they finally did I saw some fan interviews and they seemed almost disappointed. It was if they enjoyed losing. Masochistic so to speak. I noticed some of that when I came on board at Fulham in 2004. Didn't understand the Cubs fans and don't understand some of you.
Khan, despite his many mistakes, really seems to have the best long term interest of FFC at heart. Parker, despite his mistakes, has my confidence. If you brought in Sir Alex and gave him a blank check, FFC would not be winning in the Prem without being bankrupt in short order. There is no way a club the size of Fulham is going to be a consistent winner in the Prem of today. Tear down the cottage and build some generic 70k seat stadium and they might have a chance but then, it wouldn't be Fulham, now would it?
Enjoy when you can and cry when you must.
COYW!
Well, I do have to say that for whetver reason that is a massive misunderstanding of what most of us are saying.
Hardly anyone doubts Mr Khan's intention. What we do wonder aboput is making obvious errors and repeating them as if somehow that will achieve a different outcome. Leaving his son in situ, most of us agree, is massive indulgence that has substantially harmed our team. Under Mr Khan's stewardship, if he would have been more rational or sensible or any other word you may choose, and brought in top professionals such as MAF did with Keegan to run things, then we would still be in the Prem, probably.
Our return to the top flight was a massively avoidable and obviously foreseeable bit of negligence on his part, indulging his son, in world that he is totally unsuited too. The money we have chucked away that could have been spent much better is criminal, and would you have us say, wow that was £100M well spent, continue like that.
And this season, the squad is better.... but a massive deliquency, we do not have a proper defence or back up centre forward. I give 9/10 for effort and being a nice guy, 3/10 for results. He continues to make very avoidable errors and I am still concerned we are actually going long term backwards not forwar because he does not learn and keeps his son in situ is just the main error I can see..
Quote from: YankeeJim on November 06, 2019, 11:58:21 PM
Amazing how y'all know what Parker and Khan are thinking. Can't wait until they both are gone so I can read you guys complaining about their replacements.
There is a baseball team in the US (Chicago Cubs) who play in an iconic century old stadium and hadn't won anything in 71 years. When they finally did I saw some fan interviews and they seemed almost disappointed. It was if they enjoyed losing. Masochistic so to speak. I noticed some of that when I came on board at Fulham in 2004. Didn't understand the Cubs fans and don't understand some of you.
Khan, despite his many mistakes, really seems to have the best long term interest of FFC at heart. Parker, despite his mistakes, has my confidence. If you brought in Sir Alex and gave him a blank check, FFC would not be winning in the Prem without being bankrupt in short order. There is no way a club the size of Fulham is going to be a consistent winner in the Prem of today. Tear down the cottage and build some generic 70k seat stadium and they might have a chance but then, it wouldn't be Fulham, now would it?
Enjoy when you can and cry when you must.
COYW!
I can only presume you've commented on the wrong thread to be honest......That hasn't said really anything about what peopel here and most places of the forum are talking about so I'm somewhat confused.
not sure where i stand on the Parker out movement, i think i am in the corer of him staying. I am not a fan of chopping and changing managers, we have been there and it didnt work. I also believe that we have ore points this season than we did in any full championship season under Slav. While we had a great run the year we got to the playoffs it was needed just to make them, to make the play offs this season we don't need that, for auto promotion we will need something similar.
I didnt think we would steam roller the division, i thought that if we got 3 wins, a draw and a defeat every 5 games (on average over the season) we wouldn't be far off where we wanted to be. We are not doing that right now, think its just under but I am hopeful we can push on.
I don't think we are far from being successful under Parker.
i think we have the players, but need to take find ways to brekl down packed defences and score the goals that our possession and attacking play should score, and tighten up at the back obviously, and not be so vulnerable to being hit on the break.
WE need to score early in games, not waste chances as we have been, so that teams are forced to come out at us,, and not concede early, which is the worst thing for us, especially at home.
I do think Parker can turn things round, and that we will begin to mount a promotion challenge as other contenders fall away.
If Parker is to be the new Eddie How then we need to let him have time or what was the point in giving him the job!? Young Manager who needs time.
I think Parker is fighting a battle between instilling modern football tactics with a support base that does not want to lose their own perceived tactical identity. He's losing the battle because his tactics are not producing direct results, as in more goals scored and less goals conceded = higher standings, thus validating the concern from supporters. It's further validated because of his lack of experience and the strength and power of suggestion. For every positive suggestion that comes up, there are multiple negative suggestions. It's human nature, collectively, to jump on the negatives than it is the positives - which further pushes into the perception of Parker.
Personally, I'd rather have a fundamental base tactic that creates an identity and supports the players we have on the pitch. I believe players under Parker are only going to get better, regardless of their seniority. His system will force players to be better because they have to be brave to be able to pass the ball on the ground and maintain possession as much as we do. It's quite similar to why Slav would stress bravery as well - so much so that it became a cliche'. I stand firm in that our final ball and player production is the missing element.
We have several players who were signed to score goals, but are not finding the back of the net. I am not sure what else Parker, or his coaches, can do to force these players to get shots on target and score goals for the team. I do feel we are a 4-0 win away from everyone developing that confidence though. It just needs to happen soon, and that kind of demand, whether it be from supporters or Parker himself, cannot just magically appear.
I would love for the answer to our problems to be some type of tactical adjustment, but I believe it's not, which as a result makes things a bit more out of control. That scares some into defending their own assumptions, or it frees up the worry. I'm the latter at this point, and I defer to trusting Parker, Stuart Gray, Matt Wells, other coaches, and our players, to do what they need to do.
@Matt10, I like a lot of your posts but WTF are you on about here?
"A support base that does not want to lose their own perceived tactical identity"? No. The majority on here fully appreciate the beauty and potential of the passing game. The criticisms of Parker aren't derived from us all being long-ball cavemen.
What I, and I think most on here, want is things like an organised defence, quick movement and passing, some guile from our wingers, more intelligent shot and cross choices, better substitutions etc.
The basic tactical template is fine, but Parker is implementing it badly.
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2019, 02:50:40 PM
@Matt10, I like a lot of your posts but WTF are you on about here?
"A support base that does not want to lose their own perceived tactical identity"? No. The majority on here fully appreciate the beauty and potential of the passing game. The criticisms of Parker aren't derived from us all being long-ball cavemen.
What I, and I think most on here, want is things like an organised defence, quick movement and passing, some guile from our wingers, more intelligent shot and cross choices, better substitutions etc.
The basic tactical template is fine, but Parker is implementing badly.
This pretty much.
Let's get off Parker's back, he hasn't been in the roll long enough, plus he will be learning all the time,
especially when we get beaten.
What makes anyone think bringing another manager is going work any better. How often does that work, when 6 months later their sacked for one reason or another. We have had far too many managers since the Khans arrived and it's been proved that they have had to sack everyone of them apart from SP, all of them hired under the Khans, that tells you more about the Khans than the managers they hired then sacked.
Time to relax and show some patience and vision.
We are Fulham not Arsenal or Tottenham Hotspur or Chelsea or West Ham United, and probably never will be, and do I care, no not really, we are dear old Fulham FC, we are unique. An onlooker would probably put us in the same category as Charlton Athletic and Queens Park Rangers and Brentford and even Millwall will always fancy their chances against us. Some time ago I would have put Crystal Palace in that bracket but they have moved ahead of us while we have stood still. But it is what it is. I am enjoying this season far more than last season anyway. Whatever happens, If players want to leave at the end of the season for one reason or another then so be it.
I never ever thought we would be a shoe in for first or second, maybe top 6, but my expectations are a lot lower than others, so I won't be disappointed if we don't make it, because some of our players as individuals have not the quality to qualify for promotion at the moment, and as a team, definitely not, having said that, we have every chance of qualifying for the top 6.
A lot depends on the January sales.
But whilst we have so many loans, I do not think that is beneficial for team spirit and moral every time.
Nevertheless, by replacing SP at this stage of proceedings would be like jumping out of a frying pan that is being warmed up, into a blazing and out of control fire is foolhardy, and an error of judgement. We are good old Fulham FC it's as simple as that.
The mistakes in tactics or errors in formation are pretty obvious. At least after the fact. But Parker strikes me as a coach still very much taking the gamble with a few things and trying out a few others. I don't mind that. As usual we can be frustrating and annoying to watch when it isn't going well. But again I make the point about this not being a great squad. It has good elements but a fair few poor ones as well.
But drawing away from home with ten men for most of the game. Then losing 3-0 at home to a very average side. Well it is interesting. I simply have no idea what will happen next. However this idea of sacking him and bringing in managers and coaches who are just ill suited to us. Coaches who like to build from the back and have a strong defence. Well we did that last time and it was horrible.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on November 06, 2019, 09:06:06 PM
We've all too often been let down by individual errors rather than tactical errors, which isn't to say there's been no tactical errors. It falls under his remit to coach players and motivate players to cut out the errors. It's also the job of the players to take responsibility for that themselves. All in all I think we need to give him till Christmas so long as we're in or around the play offs and I think he can and will do better. Is anyone with me?
From a tactical standpoint, I don't think Parker knows what to do with all of this possession. Does not know how to convert into "quality" chances. This remains a consistent problem/issue throughout the first 15 games, with just a couple of exceptions.
I would agree with you that Xmas time might be the proper "wait time" regarding his future at FFC.
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2019, 02:50:40 PM
@Matt10, I like a lot of your posts but WTF are you on about here?
"A support base that does not want to lose their own perceived tactical identity"? No. The majority on here fully appreciate the beauty and potential of the passing game. The criticisms of Parker aren't derived from us all being long-ball cavemen.
What I, and I think most on here, want is things like an organised defence, quick movement and passing, some guile from our wingers, more intelligent shot and cross choices, better substitutions etc.
The basic tactical template is fine, but Parker is implementing it badly.
What I mean by that is each individual's perception of what tactics we should be using. It's all over the place. Generic desires are one thing, but they can be argued just as easily as it is to list them. Look around here, social media, the second someone mentions another club, or another manager, it goes on about their playstyle and tactics. As if you can just copy and paste that template. I'm guilty of it too for when I edit clips for fulham focus and find myself wondering why we can't play like Roy had us playing in 2009, or how Tigana had us playing in 2000. Why aren't we able to do that? Of course Parker is up against that.
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2019, 02:50:40 PM
@Matt10, I like a lot of your posts but WTF are you on about here?
"A support base that does not want to lose their own perceived tactical identity"? No. The majority on here fully appreciate the beauty and potential of the passing game. The criticisms of Parker aren't derived from us all being long-ball cavemen.
What I, and I think most on here, want is things like an organised defence, quick movement and passing, some guile from our wingers, more intelligent shot and cross choices, better substitutions etc.
The basic tactical template is fine, but Parker is implementing it badly.
With you totally Statto
Good Op .Im with you .
I want to be entertained, I want to go home knackered from the excitement and I want to be impatient for the next game to arrive.
None of that is happening for me this season and I put that squarely at Parker's door.
I'd probably feel a bit better if we were romping the league and could reconcile the dullnes of the Football as a means to an end, but his tactics of Slow slow, possession is everything football, leave me cold.
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2019, 02:50:40 PM
@Matt10, I like a lot of your posts but WTF are you on about here?
"A support base that does not want to lose their own perceived tactical identity"? No. The majority on here fully appreciate the beauty and potential of the passing game. The criticisms of Parker aren't derived from us all being long-ball cavemen.
What I, and I think most on here, want is things like an organised defence, quick movement and passing, some guile from our wingers, more intelligent shot and cross choices, better substitutions etc.
The basic tactical template is fine, but Parker is implementing it badly.
If we have diagnosed last seasons problems incorrectly, then we will improve minor problem and not fix last years major problems.
There are four possible problems last season either:
i) the "statistics are bullpoo" causing us to recruit terrible players (accountable person DOF);
ii) the "tactics were wrong" getting the worst out of our players (responsible person manager);
iii) the "players got statistical worse" under the coaching staff (responsible all football staff);
iv) the "players were new" and didn't adjust to be a cohesive new team (responsible all football staff).
All are partly correct, but not fixing the biggest problem will mean we won't improve.
Depending on the problem, there are various solutions:
i) if the "recruitment was the problem", then recruit players from the english leagues (done)
ii) if the "tactics were wrong", then try a manager with the opposite tactics like Raneri and Parker (done)
iii) the "players got worse", then try different coaching staff to improve them (not done).
iv) the "players took time to adjust"; then keep these players for a 2nd season to be more cohesive (not done).
For me its clear, last season we blamed "recruitment" and "tactics" (minor problems),
but the real problems were "player performance" and "team cohesion" (major problems).
Was involved in a podcast recently and one of the cohosts said something that really stuck out to me. In our promotion year under Slav we had a perfect combination in the midfield with Kmac covering, Tom making the creative passes and Johansen making the penetrating runs that linked up the midfield and Mitro or other strike partners.
When Fulham have been at their best this season has occurred when Johansen was in the starting XI. In that starting XI we had either Harry or Harrison playing the Kmac role of holding midfielder. This allows Tom to be creative with his free role of attacking, passing or taking the chance with one of his left footed wonder shots.
I am in the Parker stays camp and believes he still needs time to fully develop his coaching style and implement it. With that support however I do believe that Parker has shown that at times he is both out of his current depth and tactics prowess. I would say though in the same breath that he has shown on two occasions that he can adjust under circumstances and make the right calls to get a positive result.
• Changing to a back three at home
• Going down to 10 players
I think he needs to be given the season. I think he needs to up the tempo of play. More one touch passing with wingers / outside backs making runs to the corners looking for the crosses. Quicker positive penetrating passes with less square or backward passing.
We are only 1/3 of the way into the season. Still within shouting of promotion and just a little skip off of playoffs. I'm not giving up on this team or Parker yet.
Even though they are driving me crazy more and more.
Quote from: love4ffc on November 08, 2019, 03:31:23 AM
Was involved in a podcast recently and one of the cohosts said something that really stuck out to me. In our promotion year under Slav we had a perfect combination in the midfield with Kmac covering, Tom making the creative passes and Johansen making the penetrating runs that linked up the midfield and Mitro or other strike partners.
When Fulham have been at their best this season has occurred when Johansen was in the starting XI. In that starting XI we had either Harry or Harrison playing the Kmac role of holding midfielder. This allows Tom to be creative with his free role of attacking, passing or taking the chance with one of his left footed wonder shots.
I am in the Parker stays camp and believes he still needs time to fully develop his coaching style and implement it. With that support however I do believe that Parker has shown that at times he is both out of his current depth and tactics prowess. I would say though in the same breath that he has shown on two occasions that he can adjust under circumstances and make the right calls to get a positive result.
• Changing to a back three at home
• Going down to 10 players
I think he needs to be given the season. I think he needs to up the tempo of play. More one touch passing with wingers / outside backs making runs to the corners looking for the crosses. Quicker positive penetrating passes with less square or backward passing.
We are only 1/3 of the way into the season. Still within shouting of promotion and just a little skip off of playoffs. I'm not giving up on this team or Parker yet.
Even though they are driving me crazy more and more.
We have until May 2021 to get promoted; Parker has been at the club years, but he doesn't seem to know our best XI, best formation and how to get the best out of the players. Giving Parker 16 months in the position (i.e. till the end of the season), means only giving the next manager 12 months in the position before parachute payments ends (like QPR, Hull and Middlesboughs ended in May 2019). If Parker cannot get the team to respond against Birmingham, then I doubt his coaching skills.
If Parker cannot get us promoted this seasons after 16 months and lots of money. Do you think the next manager can get us promoted in 12 months and less money? If you think another manager can get us promoted with less time and less money, hire him now.
Good post love 4ffc . I agree that he has shown that he can adapt on more than one ocassion. Luka ....You obviously have never been through the bad times pal!
Quote from: love4ffc on November 08, 2019, 03:31:23 AM
Was involved in a podcast recently and one of the cohosts said something that really stuck out to me. In our promotion year under Slav we had a perfect combination in the midfield with Kmac covering, Tom making the creative passes and Johansen making the penetrating runs that linked up the midfield and Mitro or other strike partners.
When Fulham have been at their best this season has occurred when Johansen was in the starting XI. In that starting XI we had either Harry or Harrison playing the Kmac role of holding midfielder. This allows Tom to be creative with his free role of attacking, passing or taking the chance with one of his left footed wonder shots.
I am in the Parker stays camp and believes he still needs time to fully develop his coaching style and implement it. With that support however I do believe that Parker has shown that at times he is both out of his current depth and tactics prowess. I would say though in the same breath that he has shown on two occasions that he can adjust under circumstances and make the right calls to get a positive result.
• Changing to a back three at home
• Going down to 10 players
I think he needs to be given the season. I think he needs to up the tempo of play. More one touch passing with wingers / outside backs making runs to the corners looking for the crosses. Quicker positive penetrating passes with less square or backward passing.
We are only 1/3 of the way into the season. Still within shouting of promotion and just a little skip off of playoffs. I'm not giving up on this team or Parker yet.
Even though they are driving me crazy more and more.
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Quote from: Luka on November 07, 2019, 09:19:21 PM
I want to be entertained, I want to go home knackered from the excitement and I want to be impatient for the next game to arrive.
None of that is happening for me this season and I put that squarely at Parker's door.
I'd probably feel a bit better if we were romping the league and could reconcile the dullnes of the Football as a means to an end, but his tactics of Slow slow, possession is everything football, leave me cold.
Everyone has their own experience and opinions, but personally I always has butterflies in my stomach on my way to a Fulham game, and feel excited, and during the game too mostly, even in the bottom division , when the football often was awful, and the atmosphere pretty dead, with less than 5,00 fans in attendance, and space to sit down on the Enclosure terracing.
I just wish I was still able to watch Fulham every week, but if i did boredom is definitely one thing I would not feel too often. t
Even listening to GJ is seldom boring - in fact the opposite, and definitely worse in terms of tension to actually being at the game, and being able to vent your stress and frustration, and joy - if we actually score, and especially if we win.
EG - that game at Middlesborough, a 0-0, but I was on the edge of my seat listening to Jim - would we hold out with 10 men, and when we did it felt as if we'd won, which we almost did.
But others felt differently, about that and other games, I appreciate. For me he result is the thing - I really enjoy a win, and feel depressed at a loss.
If we win I don't care how we got it. I'd rather see an ugly win, though I appreciate all styles of football, than play beautifully, however you perceive that, and lose.
To me, the style should be the most effective in getting the desired result, nothing to do with considerations of entertainment.
Most fans won't be happy if their team keeps losing, however they play.
At the moment we obviously aren't getting the results, and this is why fans are frustrated.
I think out style is evolving, and admire Parker for sticking to his guns, but he obviously must realise that some changes are needed - his job is on the line for a start, apart from his professional pride.
Slava took some time before he got things right, and also faced criticisms of his style of play, and calls for him to be replaced.
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Quote from: love4ffc on November 08, 2019, 03:31:23 AM
Was involved in a podcast recently and one of the cohosts said something that really stuck out to me. In our promotion year under Slav we had a perfect combination in the midfield with Kmac covering, Tom making the creative passes and Johansen making the penetrating runs that linked up the midfield and Mitro or other strike partners.
When Fulham have been at their best this season has occurred when Johansen was in the starting XI. In that starting XI we had either Harry or Harrison playing the Kmac role of holding midfielder. This allows Tom to be creative with his free role of attacking, passing or taking the chance with one of his left footed wonder shots.
I am in the Parker stays camp and believes he still needs time to fully develop his coaching style and implement it. With that support however I do believe that Parker has shown that at times he is both out of his current depth and tactics prowess. I would say though in the same breath that he has shown on two occasions that he can adjust under circumstances and make the right calls to get a positive result.
• Changing to a back three at home
• Going down to 10 players
I think he needs to be given the season. I think he needs to up the tempo of play. More one touch passing with wingers / outside backs making runs to the corners looking for the crosses. Quicker positive penetrating passes with less square or backward passing.
We are only 1/3 of the way into the season. Still within shouting of promotion and just a little skip off of playoffs. I'm not giving up on this team or Parker yet.
Even though they are driving me crazy more and more.
We have until May 2021 to get promoted; Parker has been at the club years, but he doesn't seem to know our best XI, best formation and how to get the best out of the players. Giving Parker 16 months in the position (i.e. till the end of the season), means only giving the next manager 12 months in the position before parachute payments ends (like QPR, Hull and Middlesboughs ended in May 2019). If Parker cannot get the team to respond against Birmingham, then I doubt his coaching skills.
If Parker cannot get us promoted this seasons after 16 months and lots of money. Do you think the next manager can get us promoted in 12 months and less money? If you think another manager can get us promoted with less time and less money, hire him now.
IMO we have until May 2020 to get promoted - i.e. this season as next term we will be significantly weaker, it's why my personal stance is we can ill afford to allow Parker much more time unless he begins to deliver starting Saturday.
Quote from: Matt10 on November 07, 2019, 04:55:00 PM
What I mean by that is each individual's perception of what tactics we should be using. It's all over the place. Generic desires are one thing, but they can be argued just as easily as it is to list them. Look around here, social media, the second someone mentions another club, or another manager, it goes on about their playstyle and tactics. As if you can just copy and paste that template. I'm guilty of it too for when I edit clips for fulham focus and find myself wondering why we can't play like Roy had us playing in 2009, or how Tigana had us playing in 2000. Why aren't we able to do that? Of course Parker is up against that.
I think in essence you are right. In Jokanovic's first full season here the big wins wins at home against Reading and Huddersfield visibly lifted morale across the board in spite of it being a fairly moderate season in many respects. It was so much better than the dross before. Parker is not just up against the memories of Tigana, Macdonald, and Hodgson, he is also up against the memories of Jokanovic's sides
at their best, when players were delivering spectacular goals when it mattered. We want to forget the bad and Parker will know, like any involved in professional football, that you are only ever just one game away from that lift or depression a single result can bring. Jokanovic delivered when it mattered most to the Club; Parker needs to do the same and
he can do it unless and until someone else in charge makes it impossible for him.
I think those who have been calling for Scott's sacking are far too quick to forget the antics of last season. I am admittedly frustrated with where we're at - although i'm more frustrated with the way we play on most occasions. I think that most on here agree that we're far too slow in possession... While Millwall aren't by any stretch of the imagination the greatest team in the land, the lads clearly showed what they're capable of and it really was mesmerising.
I think the reason as to why I'm less inclined to call for his head is simply because I never expected too much at the start of the season (yes even with the quality in our squad). I was - and still am - expecting a top 6 finish, and believe we are certainly capable of achieving that. I don't, however, think that replacing Scott with Sam, Hughton or anyone (within reason) for that matter will resolve our issues. Stability is key for a football team. We are still in a decent spot albeit below the expectations of many including myself.
IIRC many of the players came out to say how pleased they were that Scotty got the job: He is clearly liked by the players and that in itself is incredibly important. Are his tactics underpar at this level? Perhaps, however it is his first job. If, suppose, we are 10 points off play offs by christmas then yes something is fundamentally wrong and he should therefore be sacked. However I don't think matters are as bad many on here make them out to be. If one could objectively analyse our current predicament, that is not taking into account your prior expectations, biases and so on, then one presumably wouldn't be so negative about the whole situation. I like Scotty and hope he pulls through this. The team and the gaffer need our support though
