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Title: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Friendsoffulham on November 07, 2019, 09:28:36 PM
With Bryan out this Saturday, how do you see us lining up against Birmingham, and who fills in at LB? Let us know your preferred 11 below

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Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Statto on November 07, 2019, 09:48:52 PM
If I were the manager... as above but Knockaert (or Reid) on LEFT and Cavalerio on RIGHT
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: We Are Premier League on November 07, 2019, 11:00:41 PM
Let's go for it...

Mitro
Knock Reid Cava
Reed Cair
Odoi Ream Maw Sess
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: The Rational Fan on November 07, 2019, 11:08:17 PM
For the next two games, I would like to see the same back four as against Liverpool(A), Southampton (H), Chelsea(A) and Leicester (H); where we conceeded seven goals in four tough games. The defense was better then thsn now with three against Hull, two against Luton, two against Stoke and two against Charlton.

The back four of Christie, Odoi, Mawson and MLM should be able to improve in their 1.75 goals per game in the premier league to be better than our current 1.3 goal per game our last 11 Chsmpionship games.

Logic is, I think we need to try a RB with ability to get up and back as Christie can do; we need a CB with more pace tlike Odoi; at LCB i would try Mawson while Reams on the international break and MLM will fill the LB role until Bryan comes back.

Cav   Mitro   Knockaert
    Cairney  Stefjo
            Reed
MLM Mawson Odoi Christie
             Betts

Subs to Use: S.Sess for a full back, Onamah for Stefjo and Reid for Mitro
Subs for Cover: Rodak, KMac, Kebano and Kamara

Not the best team, but a little backline rotation will help us long term, especially as the backline can train together through the international break.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Riversider on November 08, 2019, 07:09:20 AM
If Mitrovic picks up a yellow he misses the QPR game.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: SuffolkWhite on November 08, 2019, 07:14:39 AM
Lets try 4 in midfield and change tact.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: twang on November 08, 2019, 08:20:45 AM
                      Bettinelli
            Odoi - Mawson - Ream
Cavaleiro - Reed - Johansen - Knockaert
                       Cairney
                   Reid - Mitrovic

As we have no decent full back fit and in form, why play them? I know the back three backfired horribly against Stoke and should never have been used in that match but IMHO this is a much better balanced one with Mawson in the middle where he's most comfortable and Odoi and Ream wider where they have experience of playing.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Spirit of 2000 on November 08, 2019, 08:30:43 AM
I think the tactics & style of play are currently a lot more important than the line-up/formation, 4-4-1-1, 3-5-2, 4-3-3 playing Reid, Knockaert, Sess or uncle Tom Cobley will all be equally ineffective whilst we pass the ball 35 times backwards & sideways in our own half & on the half way line whilst the opposition look on totally un-concerned before one of our inverted wingers cuts in and balloons one 15 yards over the bar or tries a hopeful/hopeless cross from deep as our style of play isn't conducive to wingers getting to the bi-line & cutting the ball back.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Andy S on November 08, 2019, 09:08:47 AM
I'm wondering if the game will still be on after all that rain
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Andy S on November 08, 2019, 09:12:11 AM
Three at the back is what lost us last weeks game. We do not have the players to play it
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: filham on November 08, 2019, 09:24:33 AM
Quote from: Andy S on November 08, 2019, 09:12:11 AM
Three at the back is what lost us last weeks game. We do not have the players to play it
For us three at the back means three in the back of our net, don't even think about it.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: The Rational Fan on November 08, 2019, 09:24:43 AM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 08, 2019, 08:30:43 AM
I think the tactics & style of play are currently a lot more important than the line-up/formation, 4-4-1-1, 3-5-2, 4-3-3 playing Reid, Knockaert, Sess or uncle Tom Cobley will all be equally ineffective whilst we pass the ball 35 times backwards & sideways in our own half & on the half way line whilst the opposition look on totally un-concerned before one of our inverted wingers cuts in and balloons one 15 yards over the bar or tries a hopeful/hopeless cross from deep as our style of play isn't conducive to wingers getting to the bi-line & cutting the ball back.

The players in Parker's team look big and strong, plus they are very good at passing backwards and sideways. Is this Rugby Football?
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: SuffolkWhite on November 08, 2019, 09:25:23 AM
4411 for me gives us more in midfield and also Reid behind Mitro for some over the top balls to run on to. Depending on the team we are playing you can switch the midfield around with Johanson and Artur.
                 
                Betts

Chrisitie  Mawson Ream  Odoi

Knockhart Reed Cairny  Cav
                 
                  Reid
                 
                 Mitro
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: alfulham on November 08, 2019, 09:38:10 AM
Can we change the goalkeeper
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Statto on November 08, 2019, 09:52:34 AM
Quote from: alfulham on November 08, 2019, 09:38:10 AM
Can we change the goalkeeper
Wouldnt be unreasonable to give Rodak another shot IMO but can see it happening
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: filham on November 08, 2019, 12:41:02 PM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on November 08, 2019, 07:14:39 AM
Lets try 4 in midfield and change tact.
Yes, and play Cairney deeper with instructions to get long early balls forward to strkers and wide men in space.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Maidstone Lee on November 08, 2019, 12:56:20 PM
We need Knockhaert on the left and Cav on the right. We are far too narrow.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: KJS on November 08, 2019, 01:50:42 PM
Team as posted but I would think about leaving TC out and playing Reid
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Jim© on November 08, 2019, 02:12:31 PM
Quote from: KJS on November 08, 2019, 01:50:42 PM
Team as posted but I would think about leaving TC out and playing Reid

You realise he's created the 2nd highest amount of chances in the division?

I wish we had a Brede to play here- Brum score loads of headed goals...
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Dixie on November 08, 2019, 02:31:05 PM
Why not have Sess on the left - that's where he seems to play for England U21s, with good effect...
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Classic94 on November 08, 2019, 03:00:32 PM
Rodak > Betts, Odoi > MLM. No other preferences. Our issues are tactical rather than personnel.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: fulhamfan on November 08, 2019, 03:01:57 PM
Don't want MLM anywhere near the starting lineup.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: gang on November 08, 2019, 03:31:54 PM
Quote from: Statto on November 08, 2019, 09:52:34 AM
Quote from: alfulham on November 08, 2019, 09:38:10 AM
Can we change the goalkeeper
Wouldnt be unreasonable to give Rodak another shot IMO but can't see it happening.

Rodak should play.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: WokingFFC on November 08, 2019, 03:44:50 PM
Is Bryan definitely out injured? Parker says in his preview that there are a couple of niggles after Hull game which they are looking in to, but other than that, a clean bill of health
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Mince n Tatties on November 08, 2019, 05:02:34 PM
Macedo

Cohen
Langley

Mullery
Bentley
Lowe

Leggat
Cook
Doherty
Haynes
Chamberlain.

Coyw.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: gang on November 08, 2019, 05:10:27 PM
John Doherty, what a happy go lucky man he was; he wanted to leave Fulham but we held him to his contract. The days when the player didn't have choices.  :016:
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Twig on November 08, 2019, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: Statto on November 07, 2019, 09:48:52 PM
If I were the manager... as above but Knockaert (or Reid) on LEFT and Cavalerio on RIGHT

That gets my vote. It's about time we tried the obvious alternative to our inverted wingers.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Twig on November 08, 2019, 05:42:14 PM
Quote from: fulhamross on November 08, 2019, 03:01:57 PM
Don't want MLM anywhere near the starting lineup.


:plus one:

Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: filham on November 08, 2019, 07:14:37 PM
Quote from: KJS on November 08, 2019, 01:50:42 PM
Team as posted but I would think about leaving TC out and playing Reid
Cairney didn't have the best of games last and it may pay off to flood the midfield with ball winners, Reed, Arter and Johansen but Ried has had more than his share of opportunities, he has yet to score a goal for us.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Skatzoffc on November 08, 2019, 07:56:01 PM
I don't get this inverted wingers business. Our crosses are non existent. Our corners are laughable.


For me a team can cover one luxury player in the team.

We have two in Knock and Cav.
Cav is the weaker as he delivers little in goals and defence.


Knock works hard so I'd keep him as the carried, luxury player.

Neither support Mitro enough.

So Reid must play in support of Mitro.

We need a change of tactics desperately.
Coyw!
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: The Rational Fan on November 08, 2019, 09:14:38 PM
Quote from: KJS on November 08, 2019, 01:50:42 PM
Team as posted but I would think about leaving TC out and playing Reid

Bobby Reid's first job is backup striker, given Mitro is on four yellows, he should concentrate on this super important position.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: sunburywhite on November 08, 2019, 09:31:18 PM
Have we ever won a game when MLM started?
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2019, 01:40:20 AM
Quote from: sunburywhite on November 08, 2019, 09:31:18 PM
Have we ever won a game when MLM started?

Yes we have won games with MLM starting, actually he has won lots of games , Burnley (H), Milwall (cup), Southampton (A), Brighton (H), Everton (H), Bournmouth (A), Cardiff (H), Brighton (pre-season) and he played half the game against Hudderfield (H). Since MLM has arrived, we haven't beaten a single Premier League team without MLM playing at least half the game.

In 18/19,
a) FFC got 18 points in 19 games with MLM as a centre-back
b) FFC got 5 points in 7 games with MLM as a left back
c) FFC got 3 points in 12 games with MLM not featuring

In the EPL, in the games MLM played without Ream we got 8 points in 10 games, in the games Ream played without MLM we got 2 points in 9 games.

In many cases "your eyes deceive you", statistics show that when MLM plays Fulham play better. Our current team is filled with players that look great but when they play the team gets the wrong result and MLM is the absolute opposite.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: love4ffc on November 09, 2019, 02:07:57 AM
Just was reading on the FFC website that the only player in doubt for Birmingham is Harry. 

http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2019/november/08/matchday-preview

With that in mind, I think the back four will stay the same with Odoi, Mawson, Ream and Bryan.

No idea who Parker will pick for goalie.  I guess I lean towards Rodak. 

Still think Fulham do better when Steff is in the starting XI.  Need Harrison to play the strong holding midfieldier who stops the break aways from overwhelming and conquering our back four. 
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Nero on November 09, 2019, 08:56:05 AM
Quote from: Skatzoffc on November 08, 2019, 07:56:01 PM
I don't get this inverted wingers business. Our crosses are non existent. Our corners are laughable.


For me a team can cover one luxury player in the team.

We have two in Knock and Cav.
Cav is the weaker as he delivers little in goals and defence.


Knock works hard so I'd keep him as the carried, luxury player.

Neither support Mitro enough.

So Reid must play in support of Mitro.

We need a change of tactics desperately.
Coyw!

wouldnt say Knock was a luxury he works his socks off
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Sgt Fulham on November 09, 2019, 08:58:22 AM
Looking forward to everything but the football today. I'm firmly in the Parker Out camp and expect another 3 nil loss. Let's hope I am proven massively wrong and look like an idiot by 5pm today.
Title: Re: Line-up v Birmingham
Post by: Statto on November 09, 2019, 10:55:54 AM
Quote from: Nero on November 09, 2019, 08:56:05 AM
Quote from: Skatzoffc on November 08, 2019, 07:56:01 PM
I don't get this inverted wingers business. Our crosses are non existent. Our corners are laughable.


For me a team can cover one luxury player in the team.

We have two in Knock and Cav.
Cav is the weaker as he delivers little in goals and defence.


Knock works hard so I'd keep him as the carried, luxury player.

Neither support Mitro enough.

So Reid must play in support of Mitro.

We need a change of tactics desperately.
Coyw!

wouldnt say Knock was a luxury he works his socks off

Equally, Cavaleiro has 4 goals and 4 assists (twice as many as Knockaert in both respects) so not sure how he "delivers little"