After all his ups and downs - he did a job for us today.
Not sure about Josh though - kept giving the ball away.
Yes really good to see. He is not a bad player - hopefully gives him some confidence to build on. Fantastic performance by Mitro (as ever)....
Onomah should not be coming in as our first sub on 65 minutes that is for sure.
Christie take a bow son.
Yep. Hopefully a turning point for him. I've been critical previously but would love to see him do well and help push this team forward.
Pity Mitro will now miss the Ha Ha's game after his yellow card though 🤨
I listened to GG commentary and it sounded as though Christie had a good game, in particular the assist for the goal.
Christie, top class today
Rodak did well too... The rested faces performed well.
Quote from: OhConnah on November 09, 2019, 05:03:36 PM
Onomah should not be coming in as our first sub on 65 minutes that is for sure.
Christie take a bow son.
Onamah shouldn´t be coming on at all, full stop!
I just posted exactly that on the team in thread. Thought Christie did really well today when he came on. Not impressed with Onomah. I think he's unhappy to have been hoofed out of Spurs as part of the Sess deal and looks like hed rather be elsewhere.
I like Christie and was glad to see him play well, hope he can keep it up. Onomah...I just feel bad for him, he looks like he was plucked out of the crowd and given kit.
We could certainly do with an in form Cyrus Christie.
Good for Christie.
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Quote from: OhConnah on November 09, 2019, 05:03:36 PM
Onomah should not be coming in as our first sub on 65 minutes that is for sure.
Christie take a bow son.
Onamah shouldn´t be coming on at all, full stop!
:plus one: It's a case of trying to justify buying a poor player imo, wells and sp equally culpable here. Onomah has shown absolutely nothing to even be on the subs bench let alone play.
Good for Fulham.
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Quote from: OhConnah on November 09, 2019, 05:03:36 PM
Onomah should not be coming in as our first sub on 65 minutes that is for sure.
Christie take a bow son.
Onamah shouldn´t be coming on at all, full stop!
:plus one: It's a case of trying to justify buying a poor player imo, wells and sp equally culpable here. Onomah has shown absolutely nothing to even be on the subs bench let alone play.
Give the guy a break he's only had minutes in games which is no good he needs to play and then you will see how good he really is🙄
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Quote from: OhConnah on November 09, 2019, 05:03:36 PM
Onomah should not be coming in as our first sub on 65 minutes that is for sure.
Christie take a bow son.
Onamah shouldn´t be coming on at all, full stop!
:plus one: It's a case of trying to justify buying a poor player imo, wells and sp equally culpable here. Onomah has shown absolutely nothing to even be on the subs bench let alone play.
Is he SP's project. I can't see any other reason why he would pick him. He looks lost on the pitch, poor passing and missed Bobby Reid's run up the middle after a quick turn over
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Quote from: OhConnah on November 09, 2019, 05:03:36 PM
Onomah should not be coming in as our first sub on 65 minutes that is for sure.
Christie take a bow son.
Onamah shouldn´t be coming on at all, full stop!
:plus one: It's a case of trying to justify buying a poor player imo, wells and sp equally culpable here. Onomah has shown absolutely nothing to even be on the subs bench let alone play.
Give the guy a break he's only had minutes in games which is no good he needs to play and then you will see how good he really is🙄
Don't agree. Christie hasn't played for ages and hasn't even been on our bench much recently but came on today and did an excellent job for us. As someone else has posted Onomah seems to be some kind of SP project which I personally wish he'd give up on!
Thought he done a good job, was nice to see a full back overlapping for once!
Completely agree. I was hoping for good things and didn't disappoint.
Haven't seen any highlights as yet, however sorely tempted to vote for Christie from GJ's commentary and for the fact the guy has been through a tough season so far.
Christie was good and Staff Jo excellent.
Quote from: Buffalo76 on November 09, 2019, 05:04:30 PM
Pity Mitro will now miss the Ha Ha's game after his yellow card though 🤨
QPR will be without Geoff Cameron for the same reason, clutching at straws I know but they'll be without a "key" defender whilst we've lost our most potent attacker, perhaps they cancel each other?
Glad to see Cyrus do well. He provides attacking down the right flank that we haven't had this season, his generally erratic crossing aside.
I don't know what Parker sees in Onomah, but I haven't seen anything that says he should receive playing time.
Was at the game and a great fighting performance from all the players (except Onomah who looks like he couldn't give a fig about FFC other than to collect his wages)
SJo and Mitro absolute class
His overlapping run to deliver cross leading to the goal was exactly what we lacked against Hull. Well done Cyrus.
Agreed . Well done Cyrus . Sometimes players need a turning point .
Quote from: Carborundum on November 09, 2019, 07:48:10 PM
His overlapping run to deliver cross leading to the goal was exactly what we lacked against Hull. Well done Cyrus.
Good to hear
Fair play to the bloke
Was well received by the Fulham fans when he came on and had a good game. Hopefully it's the start of a redemption between the two.
I've always liked Christie. Last season was forgettable, and the part that bugged me with him is how poor his crosses were in the PL. Compared to our promo season he crossed in two goals, both for Mitro (including Mitro's debut goal for us). He's got pace and strength, and is a very capable right back. I hope he continues and eventually earns his spot back. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy as well.
We need a right back ! Christie please be it ....
I am very pleased for Christie, maybe this is the turning point and the break he needs.Â
Wasn't at the game but really pleased to hear positive reports about Cyrus Christie. I'm unsure why he hasn't started a game in the Championship this season. Lets be fair the whole defence we're out of their depth last season so don't understand why Cyrus has been left out this season. He's proven at this level and gives us an attacking threat that Denis Odoi doesn't.
I gave him MOTM vote, just for the pressure he may well have been under
Quote from: Whitestone on November 09, 2019, 10:40:00 PM
Wasn't at the game but really pleased to hear positive reports about Cyrus Christie. I'm unsure why he hasn't started a game in the Championship this season. Lets be fair the whole defence we're out of their depth last season so don't understand why Cyrus has been left out this season. He's proven at this level and gives us an attacking threat that Denis Odoi doesn't.
If you look back to the start of the season the reason he was dropped was that this was Sessignon's time. Odoi was seen as better cover. Then Sess has one bad game and is dropped to oblivion now and Christie is back. For a guy desperately short of confidence this was a steady performance, good for him!
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Quote from: Whitestone on November 09, 2019, 10:40:00 PM
Wasn't at the game but really pleased to hear positive reports about Cyrus Christie. I'm unsure why he hasn't started a game in the Championship this season. Lets be fair the whole defence we're out of their depth last season so don't understand why Cyrus has been left out this season. He's proven at this level and gives us an attacking threat that Denis Odoi doesn't.
If you look back to the start of the season the reason he was dropped was that this was Sessignon's time. Odoi was seen as better cover. Then Sess has one bad game and is dropped to oblivion now and Christie is back. For a guy desperately short of confidence this was a steady performance, good for him!
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Trouble is, Sess has now been frozen out like. Christie was. Parker is no man manager. These guys are assets; they need an arm round them. With Parker it seems you are either flavour of the month or nowhere.
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Christie is very, very quick and just might be our new Fredericks. What is often missed is that he's also quite tall 6ft 2ins - taller than Ream and with pace to burn. But yes there's a slip waiting to happen too...
Glad to hear Cyrus played well. Perhaps another Chris Baird. He used to get booed when he came on but under Roy became a revered hero called Bairdinho! Christonio!
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I was crying out for Cyrus to start at RB and Odoi at left back as he has played many times in his career. I was so annoyed to see MLM on the team sheet instead. It worrys me the length of time it took Parker to realise this is our best option without Bryan.
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Wasn't at the game but really pleased to hear positive reports about Cyrus Christie. I'm unsure why he hasn't started a game in the Championship this season. Lets be fair the whole defence we're out of their depth last season so don't understand why Cyrus has been left out this season. He's proven at this level and gives us an attacking threat that Denis Odoi doesn't.
If you look back to the start of the season the reason he was dropped was that this was Sessignon's time. Odoi was seen as better cover. Then Sess has one bad game and is dropped to oblivion now and Christie is back. For a guy desperately short of confidence this was a steady performance, good for him!
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Trouble is, Sess has now been frozen out like. Christie was. Parker is no man manager. These guys are assets; they need an arm round them. With Parker it seems you are either flavour of the month or nowhere.
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'Frozen Out' he's missed one game. He's in his first full season and was never expected to pkay every game. Just like any other youngster he has hit a blip of bad form and found step up tough. Hardly frozen out.
Quote from: Dodgin on November 10, 2019, 08:03:00 AM
I gave him MOTM vote, just for the pressure he may well have been under
Rodak and Christie played so well in the two positions (GK and RB) that we most need a settled player, not proven #1s yet but definitely deserve to start a few games and very solid reserves. If they continue to play this well, the winter transfer budget maybe spent in other positions.
Fair play to Cyrus. He's had a rough last 12 months, but put in a commendable performance when called upon. Hopefully he can make the RB spot his this season.
All the clamour for a RB in the summer and even this coming January completely miis the fact... Even if you don't like it.... That on paper we have Odoi, Sess, Christie, Fossey and even Reed who can all play RB.
There is and was no way we are signing another unless at least one leaves. Christie is good enough for Championship for sure. He was signed when it was clear Fredericks was leaving or might even have left that January.
I think Fredericks having Christie right behind him actually improved Fredericks, his performances had to be good as he knew he had a challenge. Without it and a big money move to WHU on the horizon he could well have coasted the last few months.
Agreed, great performance from Christie yesterday. He SHOULD be a decent RB at this level. It will take more than 55 mins to convince me but yesterday looked like a big step in the right direction.
Did Odoi move to left back ?
How did he look ?
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Well if now we all give Christie a good welcome against QPR there is no knowing what he may achieve, could prove to be the ideal replacement for Fredericks.
Not even in the squad. Not put on when Bryan was injured. A harsh price for a poor 45 mins.
Should be back on the horse. He is our future, Odoi and Christie arent.
The guy has the character to take as difficult an opportunity as he could probably have had, in circumstances that, perhaps, gave him the chance to be the assured professional he is. He nailed the chance and has thus proven that he has something more to offer than his competitors for the right back spot. I am really pleased that a corner has been turned for Cyrus and look forward to seeing him make the most of what was a very assured performance yesterday by getting ever better as his appearances mount up. It'll be interesting to see how Parker sets the team up for the local derby given injuries, suspensions etc., and the general adversity of the times may be just what the doctor ordered for him, his players and his coaches.
Quote from: MJG on November 10, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
All the clamour for a RB in the summer and even this coming January completely miis the fact... Even if you don't like it.... That on paper we have Odoi, Sess, Christie, Fossey and even Reed who can all play RB.
There is and was no way we are signing another unless at least one leaves.
Sorry but can you name a single position where we don't have that level of cover if you include two youth players and another player out of position?
When you also factor in that the best player in that list, Odoi, is also backup for two other positions (CB and LB) it is still probably the position where we have (perhaps joint) least cover.
With that said I agree with your fundamental point we may not need to bring in a RB, but only because I don't think we need to bring any new players at all beyond Hector (unless others leave as you say)
Quote from: Statto on November 10, 2019, 10:42:42 AM
Quote from: MJG on November 10, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
All the clamour for a RB in the summer and even this coming January completely miis the fact... Even if you don't like it.... That on paper we have Odoi, Sess, Christie, Fossey and even Reed who can all play RB.
There is and was no way we are signing another unless at least one leaves.
Sorry but can you name a single position where we don't have that level of cover if you include two youth players and another player out of position?
When you also factor in that the best player in that list, Odoi, is also backup for two other positions (CB and LB) it is still probably the position where we have (perhaps joint) least cover.
With that said I agree with your fundamental point we may not need to bring in a RB, but only because I don't think we need to bring any new players at all beyond Hector (unless others leave as you say)
I think you can count Odoi and Christie as not starters in the sense of picking Parkers preferred XI of all fit. Hence to bring in yrt another doesn't make sense for RB. Every outfield player should be able to cover any number of positions and we have cover in everyone. I'd say RB is possibly the one position where we have more than any other.
Quote from: MJG on November 10, 2019, 10:51:02 AM
Quote from: Statto on November 10, 2019, 10:42:42 AM
Quote from: MJG on November 10, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
All the clamour for a RB in the summer and even this coming January completely miis the fact... Even if you don't like it.... That on paper we have Odoi, Sess, Christie, Fossey and even Reed who can all play RB.
There is and was no way we are signing another unless at least one leaves.
Sorry but can you name a single position where we don't have that level of cover if you include two youth players and another player out of position?
When you also factor in that the best player in that list, Odoi, is also backup for two other positions (CB and LB) it is still probably the position where we have (perhaps joint) least cover.
With that said I agree with your fundamental point we may not need to bring in a RB, but only because I don't think we need to bring any new players at all beyond Hector (unless others leave as you say)
I think you can count Odoi and Christie as not starters in the sense of picking Parkers preferred XI of all fit. Hence to bring in yrt another doesn't make sense for RB. Every outfield player should be able to cover any number of positions and we have cover in everyone. I'd say RB is possibly the one position where we have more than any other.
Christie not a starter after that solid performance really, he'd keep Fredericks out of the team if he played that well every week.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 10, 2019, 11:44:31 AM
Quote from: MJG on November 10, 2019, 10:51:02 AM
Quote from: Statto on November 10, 2019, 10:42:42 AM
Quote from: MJG on November 10, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
All the clamour for a RB in the summer and even this coming January completely miis the fact... Even if you don't like it.... That on paper we have Odoi, Sess, Christie, Fossey and even Reed who can all play RB.
There is and was no way we are signing another unless at least one leaves.
Sorry but can you name a single position where we don't have that level of cover if you include two youth players and another player out of position?
When you also factor in that the best player in that list, Odoi, is also backup for two other positions (CB and LB) it is still probably the position where we have (perhaps joint) least cover.
With that said I agree with your fundamental point we may not need to bring in a RB, but only because I don't think we need to bring any new players at all beyond Hector (unless others leave as you say)
I think you can count Odoi and Christie as not starters in the sense of picking Parkers preferred XI of all fit. Hence to bring in yrt another doesn't make sense for RB. Every outfield player should be able to cover any number of positions and we have cover in everyone. I'd say RB is possibly the one position where we have more than any other.
Christie not a starter after that solid performance really, he'd keep Fredericks out of the team if he played that well every week.
Sorry to disagree, but I thought he was good, but that's over egging it somewhat. He wasn't better than Fredericks on a 6/10 performance.
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Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 10, 2019, 11:44:31 AM
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Quote from: Statto on November 10, 2019, 10:42:42 AM
Quote from: MJG on November 10, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
All the clamour for a RB in the summer and even this coming January completely miis the fact... Even if you don't like it.... That on paper we have Odoi, Sess, Christie, Fossey and even Reed who can all play RB.
There is and was no way we are signing another unless at least one leaves.
Sorry but can you name a single position where we don't have that level of cover if you include two youth players and another player out of position?
When you also factor in that the best player in that list, Odoi, is also backup for two other positions (CB and LB) it is still probably the position where we have (perhaps joint) least cover.
With that said I agree with your fundamental point we may not need to bring in a RB, but only because I don't think we need to bring any new players at all beyond Hector (unless others leave as you say)
I think you can count Odoi and Christie as not starters in the sense of picking Parkers preferred XI of all fit. Hence to bring in yrt another doesn't make sense for RB. Every outfield player should be able to cover any number of positions and we have cover in everyone. I'd say RB is possibly the one position where we have more than any other.
Christie not a starter after that solid performance really, he'd keep Fredericks out of the team if he played that well every week.
Sorry to disagree, but I thought he was good, but that's over egging it somewhat. He wasn't better than Fredericks on a 6/10 performance.
TRF I don't believe if everyone was fit and Parker had to pick what he considered his best XI that Christie would be a starter. I didn't say he would not start next game or deserved not to.
Quote from: MJG on November 10, 2019, 10:51:02 AM
I think you can count Odoi and Christie as not starters in the sense of picking Parkers preferred XI of all fit.
Well if that means our first choice is Sessegnon then it surely remains our weakest position because he would certainly be the weakest player in our current best XI (assuming Rodak maintains yesterday's level of performance)Â
To reiterate, I'm not saying we need to bring anyone in but if you told me our January budget was say ÂŁ5m and we could only bring in one player, I'd probably want us to go for a right back
For me, the main problem with Christie was always his positional play and a tendency to stand off his winger, allowing time for a cross. (That might not have been such a problem if we'd had solid aerial defence at CB). His attacking contribution was never in doubt, although his crosses were not always productive. Yesterday he showed improvement in all of those aspects. If he can maintain that improvement then he will be our best RB.
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Quote from: Statto on November 10, 2019, 10:42:42 AM
Quote from: MJG on November 10, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
All the clamour for a RB in the summer and even this coming January completely miis the fact... Even if you don't like it.... That on paper we have Odoi, Sess, Christie, Fossey and even Reed who can all play RB.
There is and was no way we are signing another unless at least one leaves.
Sorry but can you name a single position where we don't have that level of cover if you include two youth players and another player out of position?
When you also factor in that the best player in that list, Odoi, is also backup for two other positions (CB and LB) it is still probably the position where we have (perhaps joint) least cover.
With that said I agree with your fundamental point we may not need to bring in a RB, but only because I don't think we need to bring any new players at all beyond Hector (unless others leave as you say)
I think you can count Odoi and Christie as not starters in the sense of picking Parkers preferred XI of all fit. Hence to bring in yrt another doesn't make sense for RB. Every outfield player should be able to cover any number of positions and we have cover in everyone. I'd say RB is possibly the one position where we have more than any other.
Christie not a starter after that solid performance really, he'd keep Fredericks out of the team if he played that well every week.
Sorry to disagree, but I thought he was good, but that's over egging it somewhat. He wasn't better than Fredericks on a 6/10 performance.
TRF I don't believe if everyone was fit and Parker had to pick what he considered his best XI that Christie would be a starter. I didn't say he would not start next game or deserved not to.
I was just disagreeing that even on yesterdays performance, he'd keep Freds out the team.
Quote from: JimOG on November 10, 2019, 08:41:57 AM
Christie is very, very quick and just might be our new Fredericks. What is often missed is that he's also quite tall 6ft 2ins - taller than Ream and with pace to burn. But yes there's a slip waiting to happen too...
You can't have seen much of him play if you think he's the new Fredericks
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Quote from: JimOG on November 10, 2019, 08:41:57 AM
Christie is very, very quick and just might be our new Fredericks. What is often missed is that he's also quite tall 6ft 2ins - taller than Ream and with pace to burn. But yes there's a slip waiting to happen too...
You can't have seen much of him play if you think he's the new Fredericks
Fredericks was crap for two years before becoming useful so actually I think Christie could be following his path exactly !!
Perhaps Christie played well because it was an away game and he didn't get grumbles from the supporters, which he normally gets from the Craven Cottage moaners, when his name was announced!!
Quote from: MJG on November 10, 2019, 10:51:02 AM
Quote from: Statto on November 10, 2019, 10:42:42 AM
Quote from: MJG on November 10, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
All the clamour for a RB in the summer and even this coming January completely miis the fact... Even if you don't like it.... That on paper we have Odoi, Sess, Christie, Fossey and even Reed who can all play RB.
There is and was no way we are signing another unless at least one leaves.
Sorry but can you name a single position where we don't have that level of cover if you include two youth players and another player out of position?
When you also factor in that the best player in that list, Odoi, is also backup for two other positions (CB and LB) it is still probably the position where we have (perhaps joint) least cover.
With that said I agree with your fundamental point we may not need to bring in a RB, but only because I don't think we need to bring any new players at all beyond Hector (unless others leave as you say)
I think you can count Odoi and Christie as not starters in the sense of picking Parkers preferred XI of all fit. Hence to bring in yrt another doesn't make sense for RB. Every outfield player should be able to cover any number of positions and we have cover in everyone. I'd say RB is possibly the one position where we have more than any other.
Statto, I can name several positions we don't have that level of quality cover (GK - Rodak & Betts, LB - Bryan only, #8 box to box CM - Stefjo (Arter a better #6) and LW Kebano only (as Knockaert and Cav are better on the RW). Where is the depth in these positions?
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 12, 2019, 10:35:30 AM
Statto, I can name several positions we don't have that level of quality cover (GK - Rodak & Betts, LB - Bryan only, #8 box to box CM - Stefjo (Arter a better #6) and LW Kebano only (as Knockaert and Cav are better on the RW). Where is the depth in these positions?
My issue was that MJG's list included a youth player who's never played competitive football (Fossey) and a midfielder who's played barely a handful of career games at RB (Reed). In reality, we only have 3 first team options at RB -
Sessegnon, Christie and Odoi
We have at least that level of cover in all the positions you've mentioned
LB - Bryan, Ream, Odoi, MLM
CM - Johansen, Onomah, Reed, Arter, Cisse, McDonald, Cairney, ReidÂ
LW - Cavaleiro, Kebano, Knockaert (who is left-footed BTW), Reid...
Quote from: Statto on November 12, 2019, 12:06:56 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 12, 2019, 10:35:30 AM
Statto, I can name several positions we don't have that level of quality cover (GK - Rodak & Betts, LB - Bryan only, #8 box to box CM - Stefjo (Arter a better #6) and LW Kebano only (as Knockaert and Cav are better on the RW). Where is the depth in these positions?
My issue was that MJG's list included a youth player who's never played competitive football (Fossey) and a midfielder who's played barely a handful of career games at RB (Reed). In reality, we only have 3 first team options at RB -
Sessegnon, Christie and Odoi
We have at least that level of cover in all the positions you've mentioned
LB - Bryan, Ream, Odoi, MLM
CM - Johansen, Onomah, Reed, Arter, Cisse, McDonald, Cairney, ReidÂ
LW - Cavaleiro, Kebano, Knockaert (who is left-footed BTW), Reid...
I genuinely cannot bare the thought of either Ream or MLM at left back, I don't know why we still go on like they are a decent option there..
Decent player at this level. The stick he got was always unwarranted but fans always seem to love having a bogeyman to slate (see also: Senderos back in the day)
