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Title: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Fernhurst on January 08, 2020, 12:51:50 PM
How much would it take ??

Source: Sky Sports transfer talk.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Milo on January 08, 2020, 01:11:27 PM
Probably as little as the £6m paid.

Starting to become evident he is defensively frail at this level and his strengths may well be as a converted winger in the future.

However, we have Cav, Kamara, Knockaert, and Reid so such a project may not be in our best interests this season.

Do we need a new LB?
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Mince n Tatties on January 08, 2020, 01:22:31 PM
Sell Sell Sell😜
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Robertprocter1 on January 08, 2020, 01:25:59 PM
If we could get £8-£10m I'd say go for him and try and get that Vinagre from Wolves either on loan or perm.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Tabby on January 08, 2020, 01:30:44 PM
Doubt he'd be sold unless Watford come in with a sizeable bid.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Maidstone Lee on January 08, 2020, 01:32:44 PM
Think we need a better LB anyway so selling Bryan (provided we had a replacement lined up) wouldn't be the worst thing.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 08, 2020, 01:43:02 PM
Now, we have some money for a little while lets buy the next left-back one transfer window before selling our current left back.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: charlieFFC on January 08, 2020, 01:56:54 PM
I would want at least 12m for him. Still wouldn't be pleased to see him go but for that money we could get a good replacement and have some left over to bolster the RB position.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: General on January 08, 2020, 02:50:00 PM
Being a selfish Fulham first fan I wouldn't sell him until we have a better replacement signed up. Seems stupid to get rid of such a consistent performer for us who is good at this level and who plays in defence, our weakest area, without having already bought someone in who is better. Bryan is very good for this level.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: ffcne on January 08, 2020, 03:06:59 PM
Get a good offer and take it .Cannot defend or head a ball.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: grandad on January 08, 2020, 03:12:45 PM
We don't need to sell any of our players. We would need to buy before any outgoing in any case. The quality of our back up players is not good enough as it is. Sure buy a better LB but there is no need to sell Bryan who would do a good job as understudy.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Fernhurst on January 08, 2020, 03:42:08 PM
Interesting, if a 10mill bid is made.
I thought Odio played very well in Joes position last time out. Joe definitely has issues defensively. Take the bid, keep Dennis there and buy an upgrade for right back. Summer transfer window to upgrade left back position.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Lordedmundo on January 08, 2020, 03:52:36 PM
We actually need back-up for his position, so unless we sell and bring in two left backs for the fee - then it would not make any sense at all to sell!
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Fernhurst on January 08, 2020, 03:59:36 PM
We don't need to sell any of our players. We would need to buy before any outgoing in any case. The quality of our back up players is not good enough as it is. Sure buy a better LB but there is no need to sell Bryan who would do a good job as understudy.

!!!!! Keep Joe as back up!!!!! - he is being offered Premier Football (and wages) ???
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: twang on January 08, 2020, 04:03:19 PM
If we got a good offer (£10m+) and could get an up-and-coming left back with Championship experience like Max Lowe, Rico Henry or Antonee Robinson for less than what we receive then I'm all for it. Wouldn't mind Odoi as first choice to shore things upp at the back and one of the mentioned three to challange him for the left back spot.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: filham on January 08, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
It was difficult to understand why Bryan played wide left last Saturday with Odoi at left back. Just a Parker experiment I assumed but it could be that Parker is looking to see if he can manage without Bryan at left back.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Matt10 on January 08, 2020, 04:42:00 PM
I actually liked Joe as a winger. He saved a goal, backheel flick to Cav which should've been an assist, set up Knockaert for his, then almost scored twice with both feet. Not saying it's Chambers level of conversion, but if Parker gets Bryan to be a true winger, with defensive prowess, he will be a huge asset. Yes, it will result in some mixes of the formation - but there is a lot of potential there.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: AnOldBrownie on January 08, 2020, 05:13:06 PM
Probably as little as the £6m paid.

Starting to become evident he is defensively frail at this level and his strengths may well be as a converted winger in the future.

However, we have Cav, Kamara, Knockaert, and Reid so such a project may not be in our best interests this season.

Do we need a new LB?

i like joe.   

But if we could get  6 million from anyone I'd immediately turn it around and get the starting left back from Wigan (Robinson).  I think he can do everything Joe has done for us, and is faster, taller...and arguably a better defender.

I'd also be fine keeping Joe.   I just don't think he'll ever be a premiere league LB, which we'll need when we move up.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: We Are Premier League on January 08, 2020, 07:01:27 PM
How much would it take ??

Source: Sky Sports transfer talk.

about €9m for me
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Mike the White on January 08, 2020, 07:27:51 PM
Whatever we do, do not sell any of our defenders until we have adequate replacements on board.  JB is not doing too bad imo.  We're already thin on backup as it is. 
Am sill hopeful that Marlon Fossey gets fit and starts getting some time on the pitch (any news on his progress)?
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: howitis on January 08, 2020, 09:03:20 PM
For whatever reason his career at Fulham has never got going. Admittedly he came into a team that struggled at Prem level but he was very much part of the problem. Since dropping down back to champ he hasn't looked any more comfortable. It maybe that another club can get more from him but I think its sell sell sell...
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: SP on January 08, 2020, 09:10:27 PM
Don't go Joe!
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Matt10 on January 08, 2020, 09:14:39 PM
I know it's not saying much, but he is our highest rated defender, believe it or not. I am not sure why we would want to sell him. He's also bagged a goal, and will most likely set up others if continued to be played in that LWB/LW spot. I hope he stays, but won't blame him if he leaves. Think we've just barely tapped into his potential last match vs Villa.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 09, 2020, 12:14:06 AM
I actually liked Joe as a winger. He saved a goal, backheel flick to Cav which should've been an assist, set up Knockaert for his, then almost scored twice with both feet. Not saying it's Chambers level of conversion, but if Parker gets Bryan to be a true winger, with defensive prowess, he will be a huge asset. Yes, it will result in some mixes of the formation - but there is a lot of potential there.

Agree
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 09, 2020, 12:15:10 AM
I know it's not saying much, but he is our highest rated defender, believe it or not. I am not sure why we would want to sell him. He's also bagged a goal, and will most likely set up others if continued to be played in that LWB/LW spot. I hope he stays, but won't blame him if he leaves. Think we've just barely tapped into his potential last match vs Villa.

I also agree with this post of yours.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 09, 2020, 01:33:56 AM
I actually liked Joe as a winger. He saved a goal, backheel flick to Cav which should've been an assist, set up Knockaert for his, then almost scored twice with both feet. Not saying it's Chambers level of conversion, but if Parker gets Bryan to be a true winger, with defensive prowess, he will be a huge asset. Yes, it will result in some mixes of the formation - but there is a lot of potential there.

Agree

I have wanted to see Joe Bryan as a left-winger for a while now, because I wanted to see a player that is strong defensively in his position. Bryan is very strong defensively as a left winger, like Ryan Sessegnon was and we need to defend high up the pitch. Many of our best players Cairney, Reid, Knockaert, Cav and Mitro are better at the attacking duties of their positions, being no better defensively than average Championshio players like Onamah, Kebano, Ayite and Kamara.

We should keep Joe Bryan as he is great upfront of we are ahead or in defense if we are behind, plus he is not bad if the score is even (upfront or in defense). In addition, Joe Bryan has played about 13 games as a central midfielder for Bristol, a few times at right back and even once as a central back so a good utility player.

If we had another LB, we could have used Joe Bryan as holding midfielder during our holding midfielder injury crisis instead of Onamah, Stefjo or Cairney allowing those players to work further forward. Denis Odoi (RB, RCB, LCB & LB), Joe Bryan (LB, DM & LW) and Bobby Reid (CM, AM, RW, CF & LW) can virtually cover any outfield position between them, which will be important as the budget and squad gets smaller.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 09, 2020, 02:12:12 AM
I actually liked Joe as a winger. He saved a goal, backheel flick to Cav which should've been an assist, set up Knockaert for his, then almost scored twice with both feet. Not saying it's Chambers level of conversion, but if Parker gets Bryan to be a true winger, with defensive prowess, he will be a huge asset. Yes, it will result in some mixes of the formation - but there is a lot of potential there.

Agree

I have wanted to see Joe Bryan as a left-winger for a while now, because I wanted to see a player that is strong defensively in his position. Bryan is very strong defensively as a left winger, like Ryan Sessegnon was and we need to defend high up the pitch. Many of our best players Cairney, Reid, Knockaert, Cav and Mitro are better at the attacking duties of their positions, being no better defensively than average Championshio players like Onamah, Kebano, Ayite and Kamara.

We should keep Joe Bryan as he is great upfront of we are ahead or in defense if we are behind, plus he is not bad if the score is even (upfront or in defense). In addition, Joe Bryan has played about 13 games as a central midfielder for Bristol, a few times at right back and even once as a central back so a good utility player.

If we had another LB, we could have used Joe Bryan as holding midfielder during our holding midfielder injury crisis instead of Onamah, Stefjo or Cairney allowing those players to work further forward. Denis Odoi (RB, RCB, LCB & LB), Joe Bryan (LB, DM & LW) and Bobby Reid (CM, AM, RW, CF & LW) can virtually cover any outfield position between them, which will be important as the budget and squad gets smaller.

Agree Rational Fan, good observations and philosophy. 
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 09, 2020, 07:31:55 AM
If Watford want Joe Bryan, then it’s because Watford’s DOF thinks Joe Bryan is the best available LB. If we sell Joe Bryan, then Tony Khan will have to buy the left back that Watford’s DOF didn’t want.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: filham on January 09, 2020, 10:25:04 AM
For whatever reason his career at Fulham has never got going. Admittedly he came into a team that struggled at Prem level but he was very much part of the problem. Since dropping down back to champ he hasn't looked any more comfortable. It maybe that another club can get more from him but I think its sell sell sell...
I tend to agree but left back is not an easy position to fill, we should not let Bryan leave until we have a good replacement who we can get in this window.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Bill2 on January 09, 2020, 11:59:14 AM
I cannot understand this anti Joe Bryan rhetoric. I feel that he is a good left back, gets forward well and has a good shot on him. Is he the best, of course not otherwise he would be playing for Man City but is he the worst, far from it.

If we sell we sell, as long was they have someone lined up to replace him as I cant think of anyone coming through the system or on the bench to replace him with.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: MikeTheCubed on January 09, 2020, 12:13:03 PM
Paul Konchesky used to get a lot of criticism, was then signed by Roy for Liverpool and I don't think we've had a better left back since (not counting Sess as left back).
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Dr Quinzel on January 09, 2020, 01:51:54 PM
Good authority this is a story planted by his agent.

Pushing for a new contract already? One from the TC playbook.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Andy S on January 09, 2020, 01:58:08 PM
Senderos wasn’t a bad left back but he was guilt6 of having going to sleep moments in games. Liverpool supporters never rated him. As far as joe Bryan is concerned he plays on the left and most of the goals against us have Been from the left because he hasn’t picked up his man. Wake up and smell the coffee
 
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 09, 2020, 06:38:23 PM
We are short of left backs/wing backs as it is, so what logic is there in selling Joe Bryan who we need in our squad, it should not even be considered.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: JEEVES on January 09, 2020, 09:48:01 PM
Senderos wasn’t a bad left back but he was guilt6 of having going to sleep moments in games. Liverpool supporters never rated him. As far as joe Bryan is concerned he plays on the left and most of the goals against us have Been from the left because he hasn’t picked up his man. Wake up and smell the coffee
 

Senderos wasn't a good CB! Let alone LB.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 09, 2020, 10:18:04 PM
We are short of left backs/wing backs as it is, so what logic is there in selling Joe Bryan who we need in our squad, it should not even be considered.

We have a financial advantage this season, we should be using that to bring in some new players and keep the old players. I believe in buying players partly based on their performance at their previous club, but until such players have decent performance and statistics at Fulham, it doesn’t mean much. Compare statistics (or video footage) for many players at different clubs for example Salah and De Bruyne, and the difference is huge.

If we bring better players we shouldn’t be selling Mawson, Ream or Bryan until after those players have frozen them out of the matchday 18. We don’t sell players because they are “probably not needed“, we sell them when they are definitely not needed (not in the matchday 18) and/or the offer is too good to refused plus will never be offered again (e.g. £20m for Bryan).

Tony Khan cannot be expected to get every signing correct, the average DOF (ie club recruitment) gets good value on 40% of their purchases and 60% of their sales. Tony Khan is good at some aspects of his role (getting the owner to back him) but at getting good value has demonstrated to be “very average” so 40% success is all we should expect and this we should keep Joe Bryan and Tim Ream.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 11, 2020, 04:58:41 AM
About Watford, if I was them I’d try to get Ryan Sessegnon on loan as a left back. Spurs might be willing, they want him to be left back a half season would do him good as LB.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: RaySmith on January 11, 2020, 05:06:09 AM
We need to keep Joe.

Maybe has some  defensive limitations, but is very good going forward, and looked a revelation in a further advanced role v Villa.

Sess, who is  a right back, has been injured for a long time, and is just coming back.

Whatver,  selling Joe would be a loss at the moment. I hope and believe he can  prosper further at Fulham.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 11, 2020, 06:35:59 AM
We need to keep Joe.

Maybe has some  defensive limitations, but is very good going forward, and looked a revelation in a further advanced role v Villa.

Sess, who is  a right back, has been injured for a long time, and is just coming back.

Whatver,  selling Joe would be a loss at the moment. I hope and believe he can  prosper further at Fulham.

Maybe, we should sell Watford MLM for left back.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Dr Quinzel on January 11, 2020, 09:27:09 AM
This is an agent stirring things up. He's going nowhere.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Skatzoffc on January 11, 2020, 10:21:23 AM
Foolish to sell without an up and running better replacement.

Sell MLM, now that's a different story.

Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: SP on January 14, 2020, 07:41:19 PM
Now the Saints are interested?
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: AnOldBrownie on January 16, 2020, 11:11:06 PM
Joe may be gone now that we've signed Kongolo.    Guess we'll see what happens now.   


I say he's gone if the right $$$ comes in.   LB = Kongolo, Odoi and MLM (never want to see MLM there)

I already thought Denise was the better defending LB.

On the right we've got Cyrus, Steven...

Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 16, 2020, 11:43:54 PM
Joe may be gone now that we've signed Kongolo.    Guess we'll see what happens now.   


I say he's gone if the right $$$ comes in.   LB = Kongolo, Odoi and MLM (never want to see MLM there)

I already thought Denise was the better defending LB.

On the right we've got Cyrus, Steven...

If we get promoted into premier league, the first two £20m signings should be right-back and left back.
A better right back would be nice but plenty of teams have been promoted with worse rights backs than Christie or Odoi.

In fact, this years whoscored statistics say Odoi is good enough and importantly better than anyone at WBA, Leeds or Brentford.
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 17, 2020, 05:03:03 AM
Joe may be gone now that we've signed Kongolo.    Guess we'll see what happens now.   


I say he's gone if the right $$$ comes in.   LB = Kongolo, Odoi and MLM (never want to see MLM there)

I already thought Denise was the better defending LB.

On the right we've got Cyrus, Steven...

If we get promoted into premier league, the first two £20m signings should be right-back and left back.
A better right back would be nice but plenty of teams have been promoted with worse rights backs than Christie or Odoi.

In fact, this years whoscored statistics say Odoi is good enough and importantly better than anyone at WBA, Leeds or Brentford.


I wonder what the anagram of statistics is, and why is the word abbreviation so long.   
Title: Re: Watford want to sign Joe Bryan!
Post by: Riverside on January 17, 2020, 12:55:11 PM
With the Kongolo signing - more a LCB than LB

I think it is MORE likely Bryan will stay - flying wingback with 3 CBs Kongolo , Ream and Hector ?