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Title: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Finnans Right Peg on January 12, 2020, 03:14:51 PM
With Betts not in yesterdays squad unless he is injured it looks like he is going.So who would you like to sign as his replacement .

I would like to bring back neil etheridge has experience of promotion and the premier league and he was dropped today over speculation over his future
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: ffcne on January 12, 2020, 03:19:07 PM
Most news saying Etheridge was dropped because of performances.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: South Coast White on January 12, 2020, 03:31:57 PM
Cardiff manager apparently saying now for sale, maybe worth getting back if Betts departs.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Whitestone on January 12, 2020, 03:36:47 PM
Can’t see him going to another championship side as a number two. Certainly developed into a fine goalkeeper since he left Fulham.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: MJG on January 12, 2020, 03:54:29 PM
Personally I like Norman, wish he had a few more games under his belt but I'd not worry if he started.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 12, 2020, 03:59:46 PM
I would prefer to see Norman given a chance as I have been impressed with his development. Of course he lacks experience but I feel he deserves his chance as number 2 if Betts leaves.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: snarks on January 12, 2020, 05:19:20 PM
Vorm from spurs, only re signed by spurs when Lloris was injured. Good to have in the squad
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: filham on January 12, 2020, 05:31:29 PM
I would prefer to see Norman given a chance as I have been impressed with his development. Of course he lacks experience but I feel he deserves his chance as number 2 if Betts leaves.
Play Norman in the Cup against City and we will soon see if he is up to it or not.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: res on January 12, 2020, 05:38:25 PM
I would prefer to see Norman given a chance as I have been impressed with his development. Of course he lacks experience but I feel he deserves his chance as number 2 if Betts leaves.
Play Norman in the Cup against City and we will soon see if he is up to it or not.

 From the way City are playing this afternoon, not a good idea...unless you need to know how the ball is retrieved from our net. Never seen Norman play, he's not used in the U23s but is the next in line below Betts. Represented England in a low age band (U18 ?)
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Mickeyboro on January 12, 2020, 05:43:47 PM
Saw Norman play for Farnborough on loan a few seasons ago.

Had a rush of blood a la Rodak earlier this season, chopped down an onrushing attacker  and was dismissed...

Hopefully has learned a bit since then...
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Finnans Right Peg on January 12, 2020, 06:04:19 PM
Would like to see norman out on loan 1st a bit like rodak
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: brightster on January 12, 2020, 07:10:29 PM
With Betts not in yesterdays squad unless he is injured it looks like he is going.So who would you like to sign as his replacement .

I would like to bring back neil etheridge has experience of promotion and the premier league and he was dropped today over speculation over his future


Cardiff boss said NE dropped to bench because of transfer rumours, apparently West Ham!
As for Betts I noticed he was number 3 for the cup game as well, he was in goal most of the time for the shooting practice, with Norman still with the GK coach and Rodak on the kicking practice, which is usually Betts role!
Could be NE to West Ham and Betts to Cardiff as number 1.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 12, 2020, 11:10:50 PM
I like Fabri, if Betts goes he’d might consider coming back. Fabri still has conceeded less than a goal per game in his last 70 league games.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Hatch007 on January 12, 2020, 11:26:30 PM
I like Fabri, if Betts goes he’d might consider coming back. Fabri still has conceeded less than a goal per game in his last 70 league games.

I respect we are all entitled to our opinion but I think you might be in the minority there. I’m not one hoping he returns.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Barrett487 on January 12, 2020, 11:26:48 PM
Most goalies are of similar shot-stopping ability imo.

What sets them aside imo is to dominate the penalty area and organise their own defence.

I have no issue with whatever the club decides, whoever will benefit the club is ok by me, however............. Betts is Fulham through & through and i love loyalty. Do what's best for him if he's surplus.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 13, 2020, 02:06:59 AM
I like Fabri, if Betts goes he’d might consider coming back. Fabri still has conceeded less than a goal per game in his last 70 league games.

I like Sharon Stone but I wouldn’t put her in goal either, even though she is taller than Fabri and catches the ball at its highest point, as opposed to flapping at it.
If you are Fabri’s agent, please own up now, which would explain your undeniable support for him.
I cannot see him with any chance of playing for the first XL again, unless there is an injury crisis of epic proportions.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 13, 2020, 04:29:03 AM
I like Fabri, if Betts goes he’d might consider coming back. Fabri still has conceeded less than a goal per game in his last 70 league games.

I like Sharon Stone but I wouldn’t put her in goal either, even though she is taller than Fabri and catches the ball at its highest point, as opposed to flapping at it.
If you are Fabri’s agent, please own up now, which would explain your undeniable support for him.
I cannot see him with any chance of playing for the first XL again, unless there is an injury crisis of epic proportions.

Say what you want, but Fabri makes saves and keeps clean sheets like he did this weekend in the Copa del Rey. A decent number two for Liga A and for us.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Mince n Tatties on January 13, 2020, 06:10:27 AM
Most news saying Etheridge was dropped because of performances.

Nothing to do with performance, he's been to Cardiff what Rodak is too us.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Mince n Tatties on January 13, 2020, 06:16:33 AM
I like Fabri, if Betts goes he’d might consider coming back. Fabri still has conceeded less than a goal per game in his last 70 league games.

I like Sharon Stone but I wouldn’t put her in goal either, even though she is taller than Fabri and catches the ball at its highest point, as opposed to flapping at it.
If you are Fabri’s agent, please own up now, which would explain your undeniable support for him.
I cannot see him with any chance of playing for the first XL again, unless there is an injury crisis of epic proportions.


I had to get the police to Sharon Stone,she keeps texting me in middle of the night saying she coming over to film in London, she hates hotels and could she come and stay with me.
And that bleedin Kylie Minogue keeps following me round supermarket, who do they think they are.😜
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 13, 2020, 10:17:55 AM
I had to get the police to Sharon Stone,she keeps texting me in middle of the night saying she coming over to film in London, she hates hotels and could she come and stay with me. And that bleedin Kylie Minogue keeps following me round supermarket, who do they think they are.😜

Not something to joke about given the papers have reported that police have had problems with people following around Kylie Minogue near Fulham last year.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Jamie88 on January 13, 2020, 10:28:04 AM
I like Fabri, if Betts goes he’d might consider coming back. Fabri still has conceeded less than a goal per game in his last 70 league games.

Yes but he can’t even get into Mallorca’s first team - he has made one league start for them all season and has been on the bench the entire season. Also, it’s important to mention that those 70 league games you refer to were in the Turkish League when he was playing for one of the strongest teams in Besiktas. Those matches were also over two seasons ago.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Penfold on January 13, 2020, 10:41:42 AM
I like Fabri, if Betts goes he’d might consider coming back. Fabri still has conceeded less than a goal per game in his last 70 league games.

I like Sharon Stone but I wouldn’t put her in goal either, even though she is taller than Fabri and catches the ball at its highest point, as opposed to flapping at it.
If you are Fabri’s agent, please own up now, which would explain your undeniable support for him.
I cannot see him with any chance of playing for the first XL again, unless there is an injury crisis of epic proportions.

Say what you want, but Fabri makes saves and keeps clean sheets like he did this weekend in the Copa del Rey. A decent number two for Liga A and for us.

I wouldn't big up a clean sheet against Zamora (4th tier of Spain). Could easily point out one league game (v Valladolid) and 3 goals conceded.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Jim© on January 13, 2020, 12:15:25 PM
People love to be harsh about Fabri yet he's clearly a more competent keeper than Betts (who FFC fans rightly love as he's always been here).
His save rate was the best of all our keepers in the prem last season by some distance. The worst? Betts (in fact 37th out of 38 keepers used in the division).
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Jamie88 on January 13, 2020, 12:33:34 PM
People love to be harsh about Fabri yet he's clearly a more competent keeper than Betts (who FFC fans rightly love as he's always been here).
His save rate was the best of all our keepers in the prem last season by some distance. The worst? Betts (in fact 37th out of 38 keepers used in the division).


I don’t think that’s clear at all. Let’s not forget Betts has won us matches over the years despite him going downhill of late. He’s never been perfect but he played a big part in our promotion.
Fabri, on the other hand, looked poor from the off and is yet to prove himself for us.
So no idea how you think he’s clearly a more competent keeper!
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Jim© on January 13, 2020, 12:59:12 PM
Fabri played two games for us last season in which he faced 21 (!!!) shots on target and conceded 5. For balance, Betts came in the nest two, faced 7 shots on target and conceded 4.
Surely people cannot blame him for defeats when he was that busy?

I saw enough shot stopping ability from him in those first two games to merit a run- he was IMO chucked under the bus a little early.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: MJG on January 13, 2020, 01:02:49 PM
Fabri played two games for us last season in which he faced 21 (!!!) shots on target and conceded 5. For balance, Betts came in the nest two, faced 7 shots on target and conceded 4.
Surely people cannot blame him for defeats when he was that busy?

I saw enough shot stopping ability from him in those first two games to merit a run- he was IMO chucked under the bus a little early.
I'll keep saying it,. go back to the Spurs game and we were only still in it because him at times.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Mince n Tatties on January 13, 2020, 01:16:09 PM
I had to get the police to Sharon Stone,she keeps texting me in middle of the night saying she coming over to film in London, she hates hotels and could she come and stay with me. And that bleedin Kylie Minogue keeps following me round supermarket, who do they think they are.😜

Not something to joke about given the papers have reported that police have had problems with people following around Kylie Minogue near Fulham last year.

Give it a rest...
You wouldn't understand the joke.
It was Pete n Dud and Sophia Loren originally.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 13, 2020, 01:20:42 PM

Fabri, on the other hand, looked poor from the off and is yet to prove himself for us.
So no idea how you think he’s clearly a more competent keeper!

Why I think he’s clearly a more competent keeper? Simple in the season of 17/18, Fabri's performance for Betikas was better than Betts performances for Fulham. Betts 17/18 was his best ever season by far, and Fabri's 16/17 and 17/18 were equally good, but most importantly Betts had an injury since then where as there is every reason to believe Fabri is the same keeper he was in 17/18.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj-aAr8ixfI

It was absolutely ridiculous that Fabri wasn't put back in the team after we were relegated. He would have clearly proven himself to be a more competent keeper or not, why were we giving loanee Rico practice when ideally we need to either make Fabri our number one or put him in the shop window to sell him.

If you want to have a go at those that think Fabri is a competent keeper, you should talk to Marcelo Bielsa who tried to get him once. It has been rumored that Mauricio Pochettino thinks that Fabri is ok too, I assume he was interested in him only as a backup but still thats something.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: MikeW on January 13, 2020, 01:24:45 PM
Surely we don't need any more 'keepers?  We've got about 8 on our books already!
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Statto on January 13, 2020, 01:30:00 PM
People love to be harsh about Fabri yet he's clearly a more competent keeper than Betts (who FFC fans rightly love as he's always been here).
His save rate was the best of all our keepers in the prem last season by some distance. The worst? Betts (in fact 37th out of 38 keepers used in the division).


I don’t think that’s clear at all. Let’s not forget Betts has won us matches over the years despite him going downhill of late. He’s never been perfect but he played a big part in our promotion.
Fabri, on the other hand, looked poor from the off and is yet to prove himself for us.
So no idea how you think he’s clearly a more competent keeper!

I like Betts. He's been with us for a long time, through thick and thin, including some iconic moments after the play-off final and semi-final second leg, and I get the impression he's a top character in the dressing room.
But he's never been a good keeper, even at Championship level IMHO.
Scroll back to transfer threads on this forum in 2016 and 2017 and IIRC it was generally recognised even back then that he was one of the weakest players in the team and the highest priorities for replacement if we wanted to challenge for the top 6.
Yes he has good spells but ultimately he's never really been more than a bottom half/mid-table Championship keeper for me.
And I think the stats are just backing that up.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Penfold on January 13, 2020, 01:47:03 PM

Fabri, on the other hand, looked poor from the off and is yet to prove himself for us.
So no idea how you think he’s clearly a more competent keeper!

Why I think he’s clearly a more competent keeper? Simple in the season of 17/18, Fabri's performance for Betikas was better than Betts performances for Fulham. Betts 17/18 was his best ever season by far, and Fabri's 16/17 and 17/18 were equally good, but most importantly Betts had an injury since then where as there is every reason to believe Fabri is the same keeper he was in 17/18.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj-aAr8ixfI

It was absolutely ridiculous that Fabri wasn't put back in the team after we were relegated. He would have clearly proven himself to be a more competent keeper or not, why were we giving loanee Rico practice when ideally we need to either make Fabri our number one or put him in the shop window to sell him.

If you want to have a go at those that think Fabri is a competent keeper, you should talk to Marcelo Bielsa who tried to get him once. It has been rumored that Mauricio Pochettino thinks that Fabri is ok too, I assume he was interested in him only as a backup but still thats something.

Problem for Fabri is that coaches at club he's at don't rate him.

Jokanovic, Ranieri and Parker at Fulham and the Mallorca coach has, so far, only selected him as first choice on 3 occasions, twice in cup games v much lower level opposition.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 13, 2020, 01:51:30 PM

Fabri, on the other hand, looked poor from the off and is yet to prove himself for us.
So no idea how you think he’s clearly a more competent keeper!

Why I think he’s clearly a more competent keeper? Simple in the season of 17/18, Fabri's performance for Betikas was better than Betts performances for Fulham. Betts 17/18 was his best ever season by far, and Fabri's 16/17 and 17/18 were equally good, but most importantly Betts had an injury since then where as there is every reason to believe Fabri is the same keeper he was in 17/18.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj-aAr8ixfI

It was absolutely ridiculous that Fabri wasn't put back in the team after we were relegated. He would have clearly proven himself to be a more competent keeper or not, why were we giving loanee Rico practice when ideally we need to either make Fabri our number one or put him in the shop window to sell him.

If you want to have a go at those that think Fabri is a competent keeper, you should talk to Marcelo Bielsa who tried to get him once. It has been rumored that Mauricio Pochettino thinks that Fabri is ok too, I assume he was interested in him only as a backup but still thats something.

Problem for Fabri is that coaches at club he's at don't rate him.

Jokanovic, Ranieri and Parker at Fulham and the Mallorca coach has, so far, only selected him as first choice on 3 occasions, twice in cup games v much lower level opposition.

That is true, still it was absolutely ridiculous that Fabri wasn't put back in the team after we were relegated, even if only to help sell him for a good price. If we played him and he did ok, we could have easily got an extra £3m which is enough to buy Harrison Reed outright.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Jim© on January 13, 2020, 01:56:35 PM
If I was Fabri, I'd have been a pretty pee'd off person last season. A defence allows 21 shots on target in two games, you play pretty well in both and end up taking the blame.
I'm hardly coming bouncing back into training after that.
And using Ranieri's take on anything doesn't sit hugely well with me.

One thing I'd love to know the ins and outs of, was the sudden change in GK coaching staff early last season. I'm guessing that had something, somehow to do with Fabri.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Penfold on January 13, 2020, 02:09:16 PM
If I was Fabri, I'd have been a pretty pee'd off person last season. A defence allows 21 shots on target in two games, you play pretty well in both and end up taking the blame.
I'm hardly coming bouncing back into training after that.
And using Ranieri's take on anything doesn't sit hugely well with me.

One thing I'd love to know the ins and outs of, was the sudden change in GK coaching staff early last season. I'm guessing that had something, somehow to do with Fabri.

I read somewhere that a goalkeeping coach recommended Fabri and left the club fairly soon after. Might be bull though.

Not sure how long his contract is, but it's probably going to be spent out on loan. His lack of game time in last year and a half is unlikely to encourage many buyers.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Jamie88 on January 13, 2020, 03:09:03 PM
Still don’t see why we want a guy who can’t even manage being Mallorca’s no. 1
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Jim© on January 13, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
Still don’t see why we want a guy who can’t even manage being Mallorca’s no. 1

You could have said the same about
Saha- don't want the guy who's hardly scored for Metz
Boa- Fans at Southampton laugh about how bad he is
Murphy- can't get any game time at all at Spurs
Brede- playing in the Danish league is hardly top level
etc etc etc etc
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: junior white on January 13, 2020, 10:16:44 PM
Apparently Cardiff want 12 million for etheridge, also think we have offered Norman to clubs. Press reports of that before christmas
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Plodder on January 14, 2020, 12:26:46 AM
People love to be harsh about Fabri yet he's clearly a more competent keeper than Betts (who FFC fans rightly love as he's always been here).
His save rate was the best of all our keepers in the prem last season by some distance. The worst? Betts (in fact 37th out of 38 keepers used in the division).


I don’t think that’s clear at all. Let’s not forget Betts has won us matches over the years despite him going downhill of late. He’s never been perfect but he played a big part in our promotion.
Fabri, on the other hand, looked poor from the off and is yet to prove himself for us.
So no idea how you think he’s clearly a more competent keeper!

I like Betts. He's been with us for a long time, through thick and thin, including some iconic moments after the play-off final and semi-final second leg, and I get the impression he's a top character in the dressing room.
But he's never been a good keeper, even at Championship level IMHO.
Scroll back to transfer threads on this forum in 2016 and 2017 and IIRC it was generally recognised even back then that he was one of the weakest players in the team and the highest priorities for replacement if we wanted to challenge for the top 6.
Yes he has good spells but ultimately he's never really been more than a bottom half/mid-table Championship keeper for me.
And I think the stats are just backing that up.
We all make our own judgements, but "he has never been a good keeper, even at Championship level" seems extreme to me. Would Southgate have called him up for the England squad if that were the case?
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 14, 2020, 12:49:35 AM
Still don’t see why we want a guy who can’t even manage being Mallorca’s no. 1

It doesn't matter if we want him, unless we can sell him we are paying him until 30.06.2021. No one wants to buy Fabri at his wages, because our coaches don't think he's currently even as good as Betts and they Betts isn't a top division keeper since his injury. In 17/18, Fabri made lots of saves (such as against and got lots of clean sheets, since then he hasn't been injured but has been rated by coaches as rubbish which means we cannot sell him (ie. we need to keep him).

Financial we didn't throw Fabri under the Bus as he still gets paid about the same as Cairney, we threw a Fulham asset under the bus, so we now have to keep him.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 14, 2020, 05:56:36 AM
I like Fabri, if Betts goes he’d might consider coming back. Fabri still has conceeded less than a goal per game in his last 70 league games.

I like Sharon Stone but I wouldn’t put her in goal either, even though she is taller than Fabri and catches the ball at its highest point, as opposed to flapping at it.
If you are Fabri’s agent, please own up now, which would explain your undeniable support for him.
I cannot see him with any chance of playing for the first XL again, unless there is an injury crisis of epic proportions.

Say what you want, but Fabri makes saves and keeps clean sheets like he did this weekend in the Copa del Rey. A decent number two for Liga A and for us.

Ok thank you I shall say what I want again. Fabri may have clean sheets, because there is nothing to do, in one game he read a newspaper sitting in a Deckchair in the penalty area whilst the game was in progress, it’s a holiday camp, there is no comparison, that’s because it’s a picnic where he is, it equates to Sunday morning football compared to England. Fabri may save, but Jesus saves more.
Plus I have a Garden Gnome on my front lawn taller than Fabri.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 14, 2020, 05:59:44 AM
I like Fabri, if Betts goes he’d might consider coming back. Fabri still has conceeded less than a goal per game in his last 70 league games.

I like Sharon Stone but I wouldn’t put her in goal either, even though she is taller than Fabri and catches the ball at its highest point, as opposed to flapping at it.
If you are Fabri’s agent, please own up now, which would explain your undeniable support for him.
I cannot see him with any chance of playing for the first XL again, unless there is an injury crisis of epic proportions.


I had to get the police to Sharon Stone,she keeps texting me in middle of the night saying she coming over to film in London, she hates hotels and could she come and stay with me.
And that bleedin Kylie Minogue keeps following me round supermarket, who do they think they are.😜

It must be your Garden Shed that is attracting them, I hope you have a bar and a shower in it.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 14, 2020, 06:01:25 AM
Surely we don't need any more 'keepers?  We've got about 8 on our books already!

and that is without including the Green-keeper.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 14, 2020, 06:03:33 AM
I had to get the police to Sharon Stone,she keeps texting me in middle of the night saying she coming over to film in London, she hates hotels and could she come and stay with me. And that bleedin Kylie Minogue keeps following me round supermarket, who do they think they are.😜

Not something to joke about given the papers have reported that police have had problems with people following around Kylie Minogue near Fulham last year.

Are you by any chance the local Vicar, because it was reported that an individual dressed as a Vicar was following people around near Fulham last year.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Statto on January 14, 2020, 09:27:34 AM
We all make our own judgements, but "he has never been a good keeper, even at Championship level" seems extreme to me. Would Southgate have called him up for the England squad if that were the case?

Well considering he hadn't even been tested outside the Championship at the time, and was 4th choice after Butland who was playing for a poor Championship team, yes.

Although I will concede that for the second half of 17/18 he was performing at the level of a good Championship keeper. Whether performing at that level for barely half a season actually made him a "good keeper" is debatable I suppose
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Jamie88 on January 14, 2020, 04:03:56 PM
Still don’t see why we want a guy who can’t even manage being Mallorca’s no. 1

It doesn't matter if we want him, unless we can sell him we are paying him until 30.06.2021. No one wants to buy Fabri at his wages, because our coaches don't think he's currently even as good as Betts and they Betts isn't a top division keeper since his injury. In 17/18, Fabri made lots of saves (such as against and got lots of clean sheets, since then he hasn't been injured but has been rated by coaches as rubbish which means we cannot sell him (ie. we need to keep him).

Financial we didn't throw Fabri under the Bus as he still gets paid about the same as Cairney, we threw a Fulham asset under the bus, so we now have to keep him.

How do you know how much Fabri is on, and how do you know how much Cairney is on?
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 14, 2020, 10:18:15 PM
Still don’t see why we want a guy who can’t even manage being Mallorca’s no. 1

It doesn't matter if we want him, unless we can sell him we are paying him until 30.06.2021. No one wants to buy Fabri at his wages, because our coaches don't think he's currently even as good as Betts and they Betts isn't a top division keeper since his injury. In 17/18, Fabri made lots of saves (such as against and got lots of clean sheets, since then he hasn't been injured but has been rated by coaches as rubbish which means we cannot sell him (ie. we need to keep him).

Financial we didn't throw Fabri under the Bus as he still gets paid about the same as Cairney, we threw a Fulham asset under the bus, so we now have to keep him.

How do you know how much Fabri is on, and how do you know how much Cairney is on?

Football Manager estimates it, and they estimate that Fabri is on £5k more than Cairney. I don’t know if it’s right, but they have people who’s job it is to estimate wages for all teams so probably a good guess.

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2019/team/654/fulham
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 15, 2020, 09:59:42 AM
Still don’t see why we want a guy who can’t even manage being Mallorca’s no. 1

It doesn't matter if we want him, unless we can sell him we are paying him until 30.06.2021. No one wants to buy Fabri at his wages, because our coaches don't think he's currently even as good as Betts and they Betts isn't a top division keeper since his injury. In 17/18, Fabri made lots of saves (such as against and got lots of clean sheets, since then he hasn't been injured but has been rated by coaches as rubbish which means we cannot sell him (ie. we need to keep him).

Financial we didn't throw Fabri under the Bus as he still gets paid about the same as Cairney, we threw a Fulham asset under the bus, so we now have to keep him.

How do you know how much Fabri is on, and how do you know how much Cairney is on?

Football Manager estimates it, and they estimate that Fabri is on £5k more than Cairney. I don’t know if it’s right, but they have people who’s job it is to estimate wages for all teams so probably a good guess.

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2019/team/654/fulham

Fabri is short for Fabricated.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: MikeTheCubed on January 15, 2020, 10:19:29 AM
Still don’t see why we want a guy who can’t even manage being Mallorca’s no. 1

It doesn't matter if we want him, unless we can sell him we are paying him until 30.06.2021. No one wants to buy Fabri at his wages, because our coaches don't think he's currently even as good as Betts and they Betts isn't a top division keeper since his injury. In 17/18, Fabri made lots of saves (such as against and got lots of clean sheets, since then he hasn't been injured but has been rated by coaches as rubbish which means we cannot sell him (ie. we need to keep him).

Financial we didn't throw Fabri under the Bus as he still gets paid about the same as Cairney, we threw a Fulham asset under the bus, so we now have to keep him.

How do you know how much Fabri is on, and how do you know how much Cairney is on?

Football Manager estimates it, and they estimate that Fabri is on £5k more than Cairney. I don’t know if it’s right, but they have people who’s job it is to estimate wages for all teams so probably a good guess.

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2019/team/654/fulham

Worth pointing out that Cairney has signed a new deal since that estimation following relegation, whereas Fabri will have subsequently undergone a wage reduction.
Title: Re: 2nd goalkeeper
Post by: elgreenio on January 15, 2020, 10:26:22 AM
Still don’t see why we want a guy who can’t even manage being Mallorca’s no. 1

It doesn't matter if we want him, unless we can sell him we are paying him until 30.06.2021. No one wants to buy Fabri at his wages, because our coaches don't think he's currently even as good as Betts and they Betts isn't a top division keeper since his injury. In 17/18, Fabri made lots of saves (such as against and got lots of clean sheets, since then he hasn't been injured but has been rated by coaches as rubbish which means we cannot sell him (ie. we need to keep him).

Financial we didn't throw Fabri under the Bus as he still gets paid about the same as Cairney, we threw a Fulham asset under the bus, so we now have to keep him.

How do you know how much Fabri is on, and how do you know how much Cairney is on?

Football Manager estimates it, and they estimate that Fabri is on £5k more than Cairney. I don’t know if it’s right, but they have people who’s job it is to estimate wages for all teams so probably a good guess.

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2019/team/654/fulham

as somebody who used to be involved in this, it's basically an amalgamation of all reported sources. Only a few clubs have very very good researchers and links with the actual clubs to be anywhere near accurate in these figures.