Can we talk about how good Hector was. Calm, dominant. A+ for me. Everything we were missing
Absolute beast at the back, just what we have been missing
First time I've seen a Fulham CB dominate Gestede in the air. He is usually a nightmare for our defenders.
Solid in his tackles, and very good in the air which we have been missing.
I notice he puts the ball out of play and doesn't attempt to find a fulham shirt with his clearances.. effective but against the status quo.
He will be the differencence between promotion or not
Massive signing
I absolutely love the way he not only wins almost every header with ease (against Gestede who's extremely good in the air, no less) but also manages to direct them either to a team mate or a danger free area on the pitch.
Do we play Kongolo at LCB then?
Stronger CB gives Bryan freedom to roam forward and looks a much better player as isn't defending as much (ironically..)
He was excellent. Put a nimber of great tackles in. Very good at winning the ball with a standing tackle.
I was being sceptical about him but totally agree with posters here.
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Quote from: Milo on January 17, 2020, 09:52:52 PM
Do we play Kongolo at LCB then?
Stronger CB gives Bryan freedom to roam forward and looks a much better player as isn't defending as much (ironically..)
Not sure we want to be messing with our back four at the moment. Ream did well tonight.
A calm, reassuring presence, makes a lot of difference to our defence.
Can't believe we got another clean sheet - really thought they'd get one back, and we'd rued the missed chances and disallowed goal.
Well done Scott and the team.
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Quote from: Milo on January 17, 2020, 09:52:52 PM
Do we play Kongolo at LCB then?
Stronger CB gives Bryan freedom to roam forward and looks a much better player as isn't defending as much (ironically..)
We've won both games Hector and Ream have played together and haven't let in a single goal.
Quote from: Milo on January 17, 2020, 09:52:52 PM
Do we play Kongolo at LCB then?
Stronger CB gives Bryan freedom to roam forward and looks a much better player as isn't defending as much (ironically..)
Not sure we'll see Kongolo in a league match for a while. Can't drop Ream after a clean sheet, and even when we do, I can't see Kongolo leapfrogging Mawson in the queue
Agreed - it's about defensive combinations than individuals.
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
Was immense today
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
TK has done a great job this season IMO
Quote from: Statto on January 17, 2020, 09:57:25 PM
Quote from: Milo on January 17, 2020, 09:52:52 PM
Do we play Kongolo at LCB then?
Stronger CB gives Bryan freedom to roam forward and looks a much better player as isn't defending as much (ironically..)
Not sure we'll see Kongolo in a league match for a while. Can't drop Ream after a clean sheet, and even when we do, I can't see Kongolo leapfrogging Mawson in the queue
Future left back for the team, not future CB.
Quote from: DevonFFC on January 17, 2020, 09:48:26 PM
Absolute beast at the back, just what we have been missing
+1 hopefully he continues like this
Quote from: Ordar on January 17, 2020, 09:45:36 PM
Can we talk about how good Hector was. Calm, dominant. A+ for me. Everything we were missing
He's obviously a monster. Clean sheets since he came in; no coincidence about that. Somebody just pondered if we'd had him in August...
My MOM, immense.
Hector was Mustard, big and dominating and physical, which is what any successful team needs, in other words a proper defender who can marshal our defence, and his physical presence rubs off on other players.
We need players like him across the back Division to increase our Ariel ability, with strong upper body strength , not lightweights and short in height players. We were uncompromising tonight which is an ingredient we need to get promotion. You take no prisoners, it is no coincidence that we had yet another clean sheet, and although we should have scored 4 or 5, we had to settle for one, which was enough, because we kept a clean sheet, and when you do that one goal is enough.
Make ourselves hard to beat and hard to score against, have a strong spine and steel along the back Division.
That is 4 of the Ten Commandments on Defence, three others are balance, depth and delay.
I shall let you decide who the other three are.
Very impressed with Hector tonight...... Icy cool even when under severe pressure. Looks like a very astute signing.
Where would we be in the league if we'd got him at the start of the season? thank you Mr Levy.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: Statto on January 17, 2020, 09:57:25 PM
Quote from: Milo on January 17, 2020, 09:52:52 PM
Do we play Kongolo at LCB then?
Stronger CB gives Bryan freedom to roam forward and looks a much better player as isn't defending as much (ironically..)
Not sure we'll see Kongolo in a league match for a while. Can't drop Ream after a clean sheet, and even when we do, I can't see Kongolo leapfrogging Mawson in the queue
Future left back for the team, not future CB.
He is not a left back and when he is forced to play there is not very good. Has to have been bought as cover as a centre back. Ream and Mawson have both been poor this season. A few decent games by Ream does not change the fact.
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 17, 2020, 11:16:55 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: Statto on January 17, 2020, 09:57:25 PM
Quote from: Milo on January 17, 2020, 09:52:52 PM
Do we play Kongolo at LCB then?
Stronger CB gives Bryan freedom to roam forward and looks a much better player as isn't defending as much (ironically..)
Not sure we'll see Kongolo in a league match for a while. Can't drop Ream after a clean sheet, and even when we do, I can't see Kongolo leapfrogging Mawson in the queue
Future left back for the team, not future CB.
He is not a left back and when he is forced to play there is not very good. Has to have been bought as cover as a centre back. Ream and Mawson have both been poor this season. A few decent games by Ream does not change the fact.
We'll see where SCOTT plays him. Chambers wasn't a CDM but he worked it out.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 11:24:54 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 17, 2020, 11:16:55 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: Statto on January 17, 2020, 09:57:25 PM
Quote from: Milo on January 17, 2020, 09:52:52 PM
Do we play Kongolo at LCB then?
Stronger CB gives Bryan freedom to roam forward and looks a much better player as isn't defending as much (ironically..)
Not sure we'll see Kongolo in a league match for a while. Can't drop Ream after a clean sheet, and even when we do, I can't see Kongolo leapfrogging Mawson in the queue
Future left back for the team, not future CB.
He is not a left back and when he is forced to play there is not very good. Has to have been bought as cover as a centre back. Ream and Mawson have both been poor this season. A few decent games by Ream does not change the fact.
We'll see where SCOTT plays him. Chambers wasn't a CDM but he worked it out.
yes, but only because he sucked in the position he was bought in to play.
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 11:24:54 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 17, 2020, 11:16:55 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: Statto on January 17, 2020, 09:57:25 PM
Quote from: Milo on January 17, 2020, 09:52:52 PM
Do we play Kongolo at LCB then?
Stronger CB gives Bryan freedom to roam forward and looks a much better player as isn't defending as much (ironically..)
Not sure we'll see Kongolo in a league match for a while. Can't drop Ream after a clean sheet, and even when we do, I can't see Kongolo leapfrogging Mawson in the queue
Future left back for the team, not future CB.
He is not a left back and when he is forced to play there is not very good. Has to have been bought as cover as a centre back. Ream and Mawson have both been poor this season. A few decent games by Ream does not change the fact.
We'll see where SCOTT plays him. Chambers wasn't a CDM but he worked it out.
yes, but only because he sucked in the position he was bought in to play.
This season Terence played more on the left than he did centrally. Does Huddersfield play a 3 at the back?
Hector reads the game better than Mawson and Ream, that's why he's better.
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on January 17, 2020, 11:37:38 PM
Hector reads the game better than Mawson and Ream, that's why he's better.
yep he reminds me of Alain goma. And I'd absolutely loved Alain goma. Been a really long time since I've been impressed with a cb. I've seen mawson have an outstanding game recently but hector is on another level
I think Hector will push Mawson to improve and hopefully become the player we thought we were buying. Our CB competition has been so poor for a while now and you'd think watching from the bench to be agony for Alfie and a timely wake up call. I like Ream though, just think there is a ceiling as to what level he can attain, whereas Mawsons could go much further. In a related side note, I think Kongolo spells the end for MLM, who although I didn't fancy much as a player, I will miss his chant.
I thought that first half hour was not only sublime with the profusion of first time passing movements, it was as good a football if not better than any football that not only Fulham have produced so far this season, but any team in this Division which shows there is a light at the end of the tunnel, even without Mitro we tore them apart, with Mitro we may have scored more. But that is not taking anything away from the players who were in the line up, they produced some scintillating football, it was a 1 0 massacre. I like the 0 part also, and that is because we have more steel in the spine, more height and a more physical presence in Josh and Hector, and that's what it takes to grind out results and gives us that edge with tenacity and resilience. It has increased our Ariel power which is important whether be set pieces or open play, but there is still room for improvement in that department.
I hope the club have not finished recruiting as you cannot achieve automatic promotion with a skeleton squad, what with injuries, loss of form, suspensions etc. We need players that can win games and players that can save games and midfield players that can win the ball, pass the ball and score goals with plenty of energy and pace throughout the team, all a recipe for success if you accompany it with desire, hunger, appetite and commitment.
A massive three points last night against Middsborough who came to the Cottage under a load of hype from the media about how they were the in form team and they were there to spoil the party. Well we sent them packing back home to lick their wounds and they had nothing to complain about.
So we just look no further than the next game in a few days time at the Valley v Charlton, and that is only match that matters until after we have played it.
Looking further ahead is futile and it only ends up taking your eye off the ball.
We just focus on Charlton and organise and be prepared. No other game matters until that one is played, and then we focus on the one after.
That is why players like Hector who is a natural calm leader and a warrior, and a massive presence are a must in any team that wants to dominate the Championship which is full of teams waiting to take our scalp.
Hector was our best player for me how we have missed him. Will be huge in our chances of top 2
Woke up this morning remembering that 1 on 1 at the end of the game where we all held our breath but he just stood still and stamped out the threat effortlessly.
I think our ground will soon be Hectors Cottage
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 17, 2020, 10:49:17 PM
Hector was Mustard, big and dominating and physical, which is what any successful team needs, in other words a proper defender who can marshal our defence, and his physical presence rubs off on other players.
We need players like him across the back Division to increase our Ariel ability, with strong upper body strength , not lightweights and short in height players. We were uncompromising tonight which is an ingredient we need to get promotion. You take no prisoners, it is no coincidence that we had yet another clean sheet, and although we should have scored 4 or 5, we had to settle for one, which was enough, because we kept a clean sheet, and when you do that one goal is enough.
Make ourselves hard to beat and hard to score against, have a strong spine and steel along the back Division.
That is 4 of the Ten Commandments on Defence, three others are balance, depth and delay.
I shall let you decide who the other three are.
Spot on Woolly , this is the man we've needed at the back for the last three seasons.
Hector has, IMHO, demonstrated just how much is gained from being composed on the pitch, most of the time, and I sincerely hope he is completely resistant to the panic virus that has being doing the rounds at FFC and a good few other football venues to be fair.
the centre half we have been looking for . the potential to have an impact like mitros arrival in the promotion season . I'm always on edge when we have a slender lead and felt boro would score but when you actually analyse it , did boro fashion a chance in our box ? i don't think they did . great performance , snuffed out danger at source .
Hector is looking good, early days but the class is there to see. Dealt with the aerial threat from Boro very well last night.
If only we had signed him a few weeks earlier I suspect we could be top of the table now.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
Not sure leopards change their spots just like that.
Likely along with others on here, I have been aware of Hector's qualities for a few seasons, no doubt SP has also.
Let's not kid ourselves that TK has scouted him and so decided to sign him.
Recruitment has improved, but likely down to others rather than TK.
I struggle to see that TK would have been aware of Harrison Reed's attributes.
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 18, 2020, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
Not sure leopards change their spots just like that.
Likely along with others on here, I have been aware of Hector's qualities for a few seasons, no doubt SP has also.
Let's not kid ourselves that TK has scouted him and so decided to sign him.
Recruitment has improved, but likely down to others rather than TK.
I struggle to see that TK would have been aware of Harrison Reed's attributes.
TK is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't with some fans.
Who would be in charge of recruitment if that has improved? Did TK bring in a new recruitment team?
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 18, 2020, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
Not sure leopards change their spots just like that.
Likely along with others on here, I have been aware of Hector's qualities for a few seasons, no doubt SP has also.
Let's not kid ourselves that TK has scouted him and so decided to sign him.
Recruitment has improved, but likely down to others rather than TK.
I struggle to see that TK would have been aware of Harrison Reed's attributes.
Yeah - 'scouting' the best players in the league isn't exactly rocket science.. we tend to go for another teams best player or player of the year and that's it. Not worth applauding someone in the same way as working to a budget an unearthing a gem.
What a display from a man under a lot of pressure. Had a big weight on his shoulders but my god hes delivering. Big fan.
Defense, at its core, is about coordination. As a group, strikers are quicker, faster and better on the ball than CBs. You put a quality striker against a quality CB and add some room to maneuver, the striker will win out more often than not. If you look back at many of the goals we have given up, they were often a case of a striker with a wide opening in the back four. One or the other of the other CBs was absent. That is what someone previously called panic goals. Neither Brede or Aaron were super footballers on their own but boy did they complement each other. Perhaps the Thames Barrier will be reconstructed. We do have a construction crew on hand, do we not. LOL
Quote from: General on January 18, 2020, 07:00:33 PM
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 18, 2020, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
Not sure leopards change their spots just like that.
Likely along with others on here, I have been aware of Hector's qualities for a few seasons, no doubt SP has also.
Let's not kid ourselves that TK has scouted him and so decided to sign him.
Recruitment has improved, but likely down to others rather than TK.
I struggle to see that TK would have been aware of Harrison Reed's attributes.
Yeah - 'scouting' the best players in the league isn't exactly rocket science.. we tend to go for another teams best player or player of the year and that's it. Not worth applauding someone in the same way as working to a budget an unearthing a gem.
.👍👍 Well said General.
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 18, 2020, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
Not sure leopards change their spots just like that.
Likely along with others on here, I have been aware of Hector's qualities for a few seasons, no doubt SP has also.
Let's not kid ourselves that TK has scouted him and so decided to sign him.
Recruitment has improved, but likely down to others rather than TK.
I struggle to see that TK would have been aware of Harrison Reed's attributes.
As I said on another thread, frankly nonsensical suggestion, requiring one to (a) believe that TK completely fabricated all the detailed claims he made about the relationship with Mendes which led to us signing Cavaliero, the discussions with Spurs regarding Sessegnon, etc., and (b) completely disregard the facts that we were linked with Cavaliero in previous windows, that Huddersfield signed Kongolo using a similar stats system to TK's, etc.
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 18, 2020, 07:34:49 PM
Quote from: General on January 18, 2020, 07:00:33 PM
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 18, 2020, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
Not sure leopards change their spots just like that.
Likely along with others on here, I have been aware of Hector's qualities for a few seasons, no doubt SP has also.
Let's not kid ourselves that TK has scouted him and so decided to sign him.
Recruitment has improved, but likely down to others rather than TK.
I struggle to see that TK would have been aware of Harrison Reed's attributes.
Yeah - 'scouting' the best players in the league isn't exactly rocket science.. we tend to go for another teams best player or player of the year and that's it. Not worth applauding someone in the same way as working to a budget an unearthing a gem.
.👍👍 Well said General.
Can I also just point out that General has completely contradicted you regarding Reed. He was a revelation at Blackburn and won their "newcomer of the year" award. So whilst I have some sympathy for General's point that TK should only get limited credit for 'scouting' players who are already well known for their success at peer clubs, it is inconsistent with your suggestion that it wasn't TK who identified him.
Quote from: Statto on January 17, 2020, 10:01:34 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
TK has done a great job this season IMO
For sure
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 18, 2020, 07:34:49 PM
Quote from: General on January 18, 2020, 07:00:33 PM
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 18, 2020, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
Not sure leopards change their spots just like that.
Likely along with others on here, I have been aware of Hector's qualities for a few seasons, no doubt SP has also.
Let's not kid ourselves that TK has scouted him and so decided to sign him.
Recruitment has improved, but likely down to others rather than TK.
I struggle to see that TK would have been aware of Harrison Reed's attributes.
Yeah - 'scouting' the best players in the league isn't exactly rocket science.. we tend to go for another teams best player or player of the year and that's it. Not worth applauding someone in the same way as working to a budget an unearthing a gem.
.👍👍 Well said General.
Yes, very good points General and Jims Dentist.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 17, 2020, 10:49:17 PM
his physical presence rubs off on other players.
Bet that's a bit distracting for them.
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Quote from: Statto on January 17, 2020, 10:01:34 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
TK has done a great job this season IMO
For sure
Honestly the only thing that seems to have genuinely shifted is after the complete balls up under slavisa and two summers back where he spent on what proved to be useless players he now seems to listen more to what's needed and take on advice of the manager. Bout time too. Imagine being made a fool of in national news, getting promoted and subsequently relegated as quickly as possible under a set of ego-centric views and being almost solely to blame for making same mistakes with management again and again probably helped.
Quote from: DevonFFC on January 18, 2020, 06:25:12 PM
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 18, 2020, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
Not sure leopards change their spots just like that.
Likely along with others on here, I have been aware of Hector's qualities for a few seasons, no doubt SP has also.
Let's not kid ourselves that TK has scouted him and so decided to sign him.
Recruitment has improved, but likely down to others rather than TK.
I struggle to see that TK would have been aware of Harrison Reed's attributes.
TK is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't with some fans.
Who would be in charge of recruitment if that has improved? Did TK bring in a new recruitment team?
It's nothing to do with being damned, the bloke is out of his depth in English Football or any Association Football, you cannot defend the indefensible, he has been found incompetent and has embarrassed himself on more than one occasion. He has only survived because he is his fathers son, so I am hoping there are others who are having an input and influencing decision making because TK has on so many occasion shown so many errors of judgement that it is clear he is unqualified for the job, and my opinion was reinforced after to listening to that arranged interview we heard when all the question were clearly vetted before being allowed to be asked, and he still showed that he is not the man for the job. It was meant to be a PR exercise, and it fell short as soon as he opened his mouth.
But at the moment we are stuck with him. I have no truck with his father, except that he has been badly advised by whoever he listens to. If Khan Senior only wants to come to Fulham when the Jags are in town playing that hyped up full of hot air game with no content where the players are all dressed up as Crash Test Dummies and do high fives for running 5 yards with or without a ball then so be it.
I am sure there are worse owners out there and better ones also, but he appears to be influenced by his son for better or for worse and that's his Achilles heel.
Getting rid of TKs best mate CK was one of his better decisions as CK was toxic, and a carbuncle on the backside of the club.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 19, 2020, 08:09:49 AM
Quote from: DevonFFC on January 18, 2020, 06:25:12 PM
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 18, 2020, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
Not sure leopards change their spots just like that.
Likely along with others on here, I have been aware of Hector's qualities for a few seasons, no doubt SP has also.
Let's not kid ourselves that TK has scouted him and so decided to sign him.
Recruitment has improved, but likely down to others rather than TK.
I struggle to see that TK would have been aware of Harrison Reed's attributes.
TK is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't with some fans.
Who would be in charge of recruitment if that has improved? Did TK bring in a new recruitment team?
It's nothing to do with being damned, the bloke is out of his depth in English Football or any Association Football, you cannot defend the indefensible, he has been found incompetent and has embarrassed himself on more than one occasion. He has only survived because he is his fathers son, so I am hoping there are others who are having an input and influencing decision making because TK has on so many occasion shown so many errors of judgement that it is clear he is unqualified for the job, and my opinion was reinforced after to listening to that arranged interview we heard when all the question were clearly vetted before being allowed to be asked, and he still showed that he is not the man for the job. It was meant to be a PR exercise, and it fell short as soon as he opened his mouth.
But at the moment we are stuck with him. I have no truck with his father, except that he has been badly advised by whoever he listens to. If Khan Senior only wants to come to Fulham when the Jags are in town playing that hyped up full of hot air game with no content where the players are all dressed up as Crash Test Dummies and do high fives for running 5 yards with or without a ball then so be it.
I am sure there are worse owners out there and better ones also, but he appears to be influenced by his son for better or for worse and that's his Achilles heel.
Getting rid of TKs best mate CK was one of his better decisions as CK was toxic, and a carbuncle on the backside of the club.
I'm not saying the guy is right guy or wrong guy for the DOF role
However with him having so much stick previously and now certain posters saying how well we have done with the recruitment recently, namely with the signing of Hector.
If he picked Hector himself great, good on him but if he didn't and it was his recruitment team great good on them, it still ultimately boils down to TK and his recruitment team/policies.
Just give the guy some credit if he deserves, he certainly gets enough stick.
Quote from: DevonFFC on January 18, 2020, 06:25:12 PM
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 18, 2020, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
Not sure leopards change their spots just like that.
Likely along with others on here, I have been aware of Hector's qualities for a few seasons, no doubt SP has also.
Let's not kid ourselves that TK has scouted him and so decided to sign him.
Recruitment has improved, but likely down to others rather than TK.
I struggle to see that TK would have been aware of Harrison Reed's attributes.
TK is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't with some fans.
Who would be in charge of recruitment if that has improved? Did TK bring in a new recruitment team?
It's the lifelong issue of some people being emotionally invested to a point where they'll learn and let be or learn and remember as they figure out what makes something or someone worthwhile/acceptable.
Some will begrudge him because if it wasn't for his dad he would've been fired a while ago - a) because he wouldn't have as much money to play around with and b) because he'd likely be held to higher standards in terms of his working relationships and ability to get results. - ie we've been relegated twice in his tenure, whereas for the previous 14 years or so we hadn't - and maf didn't allow for decisions to be made so thoughtlessly (hiring and firing three managers for example a season in the premier league).
Others will still remember being told to go to hell and in many ways implied to like what he does or find another club as unforgivable..
And others tolerance will be higher. Bigger picture or less caring.. - his dad has money and they so far are willing to spend it to get things done - riverside stand, and we've yet to go through a transfer window without spending to fill gaps in the squad - albeit at time with wrong priorities (not sorting defence out last summer).
Quote from: General on January 18, 2020, 07:00:33 PM
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 18, 2020, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
Not sure leopards change their spots just like that.
Likely along with others on here, I have been aware of Hector's qualities for a few seasons, no doubt SP has also.
Let's not kid ourselves that TK has scouted him and so decided to sign him.
Recruitment has improved, but likely down to others rather than TK.
I struggle to see that TK would have been aware of Harrison Reed's attributes.
Yeah - 'scouting' the best players in the league isn't exactly rocket science.. we tend to go for another teams best player or player of the year and that's it. Not worth applauding someone in the same way as working to a budget an unearthing a gem.
Wasnt Stearman the best player in the league the season before andthere was another one as well i think that didnt work out
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Quote from: General on January 18, 2020, 07:00:33 PM
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 18, 2020, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
Not sure leopards change their spots just like that.
Likely along with others on here, I have been aware of Hector's qualities for a few seasons, no doubt SP has also.
Let's not kid ourselves that TK has scouted him and so decided to sign him.
Recruitment has improved, but likely down to others rather than TK.
I struggle to see that TK would have been aware of Harrison Reed's attributes.
Yeah - 'scouting' the best players in the league isn't exactly rocket science.. we tend to go for another teams best player or player of the year and that's it. Not worth applauding someone in the same way as working to a budget an unearthing a gem.
Wasnt Stearman the best player in the league the season before andthere was another one as well i think that didnt work out
Think so.
Ream was also bolton's player of the year... johansen. Most in truth have held that moniker within the year or two before we sign them.
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Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
Not sure leopards change their spots just like that.
Likely along with others on here, I have been aware of Hector's qualities for a few seasons, no doubt SP has also.
Let's not kid ourselves that TK has scouted him and so decided to sign him.
Recruitment has improved, but likely down to others rather than TK.
I struggle to see that TK would have been aware of Harrison Reed's attributes.
Yeah - 'scouting' the best players in the league isn't exactly rocket science.. we tend to go for another teams best player or player of the year and that's it. Not worth applauding someone in the same way as working to a budget an unearthing a gem.
Wasnt Stearman the best player in the league the season before andthere was another one as well i think that didnt work out
Think so.
Ream was also bolton's player of the year... johansen. Most in truth have held that moniker within the year or two before we sign them.
What about Mark Fotheringham, which club was he player of the year with ?
As far as I am aware every club has the same player database and virtually the same* statistical analysis which tends to suggest recruitment is more than just finding someone's name, rank and number. It is about approaching players who are available in the right way. Since we mostly only know for certain about done deals everything else is speculative. Who can be sure who thinks of a name first unless that name calls you first?
Has FFC done recruitment better in the past is a much more interesting topic for conversation, IMO.
(* The statistics used are pretty irrelevant for player suitability when they fall into in a very wide mid-range group with a large error range and that is where other measuring methods could come into play.)
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 17, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
Not sure leopards change their spots just like that.
Likely along with others on here, I have been aware of Hector's qualities for a few seasons, no doubt SP has also.
Let's not kid ourselves that TK has scouted him and so decided to sign him.
Recruitment has improved, but likely down to others rather than TK.
I struggle to see that TK would have been aware of Harrison Reed's attributes.
Yep let's not give someone you don't like any credit even if it is deserved. After all it must be true that all bad things come from TK and all good things from someone else..
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Good scouting Tony Khan.
Hector appears to be exactly what we needed...and Scott and Tony deserve credit for bringing him in.
TK has done a great job this season IMO
You need to be careful or your job at the centre of the Fulham management team will be under threat.
For sure
Honestly the only thing that seems to have genuinely shifted is after the complete balls up under slavisa and two summers back where he spent on what proved to be useless players he now seems to listen more to what's needed and take on advice of the manager. Bout time too. Imagine being made a fool of in national news, getting promoted and subsequently relegated as quickly as possible under a set of ego-centric views and being almost solely to blame for making same mistakes with management again and again probably helped.
My question to the cynics on here having a pop at TK for recruiting some really great players.
1) is the division won by the team who have recruited the most "unknown players" in the season or
2) recruiting players who may have been good elsewhere and are now great for our team and helping us win more games than other teams.
If you want our owners to be in the business of discovering new talent that no body has heard of before I suggest that on Saturdays you concentrate on The Voice.
Quote from: KingofCheese on January 19, 2020, 11:06:50 PM
My question to the cynics on here having a pop at TK for recruiting some really great players.
1) is the division won by the team who have recruited the most "unknown players" in the season or
2) recruiting players who may have been good elsewhere and are now great for our team and helping us win more games than other teams.
If you want our owners to be in the business of discovering new talent that no body has heard of before I suggest that on Saturdays you concentrate on The Voice.
:plus one: Great point 👏 Well made. Wish I'd thought of expressing it that way.
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Quote from: KingofCheese on January 19, 2020, 11:06:50 PM
My question to the cynics on here having a pop at TK for recruiting some really great players.
1) is the division won by the team who have recruited the most "unknown players" in the season or
2) recruiting players who may have been good elsewhere and are now great for our team and helping us win more games than other teams.
If you want our owners to be in the business of discovering new talent that no body has heard of before I suggest that on Saturdays you concentrate on The Voice.
:plus one: Great point 👏 Well made. Wish I'd thought of expressing it that way.
Thanks! Tired of the negativity..in 3rd with great players playing great football..what else do we want?
Quote from: KingofCheese on January 19, 2020, 11:06:50 PM
My question to the cynics on here having a pop at TK for recruiting some really great players.
1) is the division won by the team who have recruited the most "unknown players" in the season or
2) recruiting players who may have been good elsewhere and are now great for our team and helping us win more games than other teams.
If you want our owners to be in the business of discovering new talent that no body has heard of before I suggest that on Saturdays you concentrate on The Voice.
Well put and hopefully some ungrateful fans will read this and digest it. Gets boring the TK bashing all the time.
The real question is where does Mawson rank in terms of worst ever Fulham signings? I would say he is the worst ever in terms of amount spent
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Quote from: KingofCheese on January 19, 2020, 11:06:50 PM
My question to the cynics on here having a pop at TK for recruiting some really great players.
1) is the division won by the team who have recruited the most "unknown players" in the season or
2) recruiting players who may have been good elsewhere and are now great for our team and helping us win more games than other teams.
If you want our owners to be in the business of discovering new talent that no body has heard of before I suggest that on Saturdays you concentrate on The Voice.
:plus one: Great point 👏 Well made. Wish I'd thought of expressing it that way.
:plus one:
Quote from: KingofCheese on January 19, 2020, 11:06:50 PM
My question to the cynics on here having a pop at TK for recruiting some really great players.
1) is the division won by the team who have recruited the most "unknown players" in the season or
2) recruiting players who may have been good elsewhere and are now great for our team and helping us win more games than other teams.
If you want our owners to be in the business of discovering new talent that no body has heard of before I suggest that on Saturdays you concentrate on The Voice.
I find the rhetoric a little bit Black & White. I have been accused of exaggeration for much less! I little bit of new talent discovering can be much more rewarding than expensive flops.
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The real question is where does Mawson rank in terms of worst ever Fulham signings? I would say he is the worst ever in terms of amount spent
I would say this post ranks as the worst I've seen. Just looking at our current squad, Seri, Anguissa, MLM, Fabri, Cisse and even Kebano have delivered less than Mawson in a Fulham shirt, proportionate to the money spent and our budget when we signed them. I can think of just as many from previous seasons (Fonte, Jozabed, Sigurdson...) And unlike most of them (an exception being Anguissa IMO) I suspect that in the next few years Mawson will fully recover the £15m valuation (or whatever it was) he had when we signed him.
