Should not be starting for us unless we have injuries, both very poor tonight.
Admittedly AK hasn't had much of a sniff and Arter has been injured.. both need a few games before judgment can be passed.. but agree AK was largely ineffective and Arter only really offered us a sideways pass. Arter did however find space on occasion and offered an outlet.. always wanted the ball etc.
Agree. Today showed that it's not just Rodak and Hector that completes our side, McDonald does too.
Bobby Reid had a mare also.
Don't know what people see in AK,looks like a league 1 player sometimes.. Got no football brain imo.
Quote from: Fernhurst on February 12, 2020, 09:54:48 PM
Bobby Reid had a mare also.
I was at the game on Saturday and thought he was lucky not to be subbed. A quality player on his day but had a couple of poor performances in the last two matches
Harry Arter had a big part in the opening goal. He does worry with his persistsnt arguing, that he is waiting for another red card.
Cav couldn't get into the game exactly the same as AK couldn't
They blocked those channels out - despite Hector lumping it into the corners all first half
Thought we were extremely unlucky (again)
Without their ridiculous goal we would have walked that game - and to hit the bar in the last minute was desperately unlucky
Agree with the above and I really cannot remember cairney doing a forward pass, always backwards and sideways.
Quote from: Baszab on February 12, 2020, 10:14:28 PM
Cav couldn't get into the game exactly the same as AK couldn't
They blocked those channels out - despite Hector lumping it into the corners all first half
Thought we were extremely unlucky (again)
Without their ridiculous goal we would have walked that game - and to hit the bar in the last minute was desperately unlucky
Unlucky?
More lucky they missed pen.
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on February 12, 2020, 09:50:47 PM
Should not be starting for us unless we have injuries, both very poor tonight.
Well we do have injuries
Reed and Knockaert and McDonald likely fatigued
Not to mention Kongolo and Mawson
Although with that said, tonight's starting XI wouldn't have been my choice
Quote from: Baszab on February 12, 2020, 10:14:28 PM
Cav couldn't get into the game exactly the same as AK couldn't
They blocked those channels out - despite Hector lumping it into the corners all first half
Thought we were extremely unlucky (again)
Without their ridiculous goal we would have walked that game - and to hit the bar in the last minute was desperately unlucky
Glad someone else has noticed Hector's passing flaws.
He is great across the floor.. but as soon as he goes in the air it balloons straight to their man and we lose possession.
Quote from: bobby01 on February 12, 2020, 10:20:47 PM
Agree with the above and I really cannot remember cairney doing a forward pass, always backwards and sideways.
Agree !
What is Kamara doing in this team? Cavaleiro, Knockhaert and Kebano are all far better players. Kamara did nothing tonight and looked totally out of his depth. Like Mince and Tatties above I can't understand what some on this board see in him. It just shows we all have different opinions, I suppose. When Kebano came on he looked more threatening in a few minutes, as he did earlier in the season against Bristol City. We should see more of him, if not starting but off the bench.
Quote from: Hatch007 on February 12, 2020, 09:56:42 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on February 12, 2020, 09:54:48 PM
Bobby Reid had a mare also.
I was at the game on Saturday and thought he was lucky not to be subbed. A quality player on his day but had a couple of poor performances in the last two matches
Me too and I agree; Bobby was poor on Saturday and poor tonight ! Saturday was not great and considering Blackburn were very poor going forward our MOTM was Hector 🤔 !
Hector superb, passing in the air apart he defended brilliantly and was my MOM. AK47 as ever offers nothing but pace and power, poor technique and intelligence, as for Arter he offered nothing, Stef Jo must be gutted hes not getting a look in. Parker was generally poor tonight IMO based on selection and tactics.
AK should be an impact sub only to cause mayhem
On the Radio London commentary last night Paul Parker was quite scathing about Harry Arter's performance. How did he play?
Very poor. Contributed very little and a liability in the sense that he is a red card waiting to happen.
Don't rate him,should have returned him to bouremouth the last window!
He clearly has talent, just seems to be an incredibly inconsistent player. Not sure if it's an effort thing but he's better as an impact guy off the bench for me.
Seems to have a real problem with personal discipline. Constantly in the ref's ear - and not politely - so yellow/red/off is inevitable. And frankly looks past it as a player. Stephjo every time in his position.
I have been a fan of Harry Arter, but he blotted his copy book again Tuesday night, and he did not look match fit.
His constant nagging of the referee was tiresome. I know he not as match fit as he can be, but he must control his discipline.
Quote from: bog on February 13, 2020, 03:51:16 PM
On the Radio London commentary last night Paul Parker was quite scathing about Harry Arter's performance. How did he play?
Captain, in truth we had a few off the pace, Harry, Bobby Reid , Kamara did not make sufficient impact to have an effect on the result.
Currently we do not look as "grown up" or confident as WBA.
Let's hope we can bag a good result on Saturday and increase our confidence.
I thought he was pretty ineffective and as others have said, his constant complaining to the ref was an irritating distraction.
AK did struggle to make an impact but at least he plugging away. Bobby D-R showed flashes but it wasn't really his day. But these two players will have better days, I'm not convinced Arter will, Stef Jo every time for me.
He was rubbish, but was not alone! Very poor all round and we are not looking like automatic promotion candidates, with a lot of sub standard performances this year I am amazed we are in the top 6 let alone 3rd and tied with Leeds! We cannot continue to ride our luck, a lot of teams on a good run and more importantly they are playing well, we have to raise our standards, sooner rather than later.
Bog, have merged your thread with this one as there was quite a lot of good debate on Arter that was relevant to your OP.
I have always admired Arter's commitment and enthusiasm - this is a guy who wants to play the game and give it his all . The problem is that the enthusiasm, commitment and tenacity seems to come with equal measures of stupidity . He cannot be thinking about what he is doing - his constant arguing with the officials last night( even when coming off ) was simply brain dead. Toshes Mate , on another thread ,was rightly calling for us to show some composure- well that's almost impossible when this guy is on the pitch
I am certainly no fan of Arter, and think he has been quite poor most games this season. But reading this thread you would think that he got red carded and cost us the game. He was just one of many who didn't look up to it yesterday, no need for one of these threads against flavor of the week scape goat every time we don't win (and sometimes even when we win) in my opinion. It's Onomah one week, Ream another, or Kamara, or Knockaert, or Cav. Or Cairney. Maybe players have bad games and that can be it. Arter is a half decent player that may still have a part to play this season.
I also believe AK had a pretty poor game, but am surprised that many still can't understand what he brings when he's on his game. It's not as if he has had a chance to really come into his own this season. If we compare with Kebano, at least AK actually scores quite often (although I admit that Kebano's been unlucky, but it's been 3 years now without him contributing much in goals or assists). AK may look poor sometimes, but he scores more than his fair share, whereas Kebano is kind of the opposite. I know what I prefer. Neither player gets a very fair chance to establish themselves though...
Quote from: Sting of the North on February 13, 2020, 08:09:34 PM
I am certainly no fan of Arter, and think he has been quite poor most games this season. But reading this thread you would think that he got red carded and cost us the game. He was just one of many who didn't look up to it yesterday, no need for one of these threads against flavor of the week scape goat every time we don't win (and sometimes even when we win) in my opinion. It's Onomah one week, Ream another, or Kamara, or Knockaert, or Cav. Or Cairney. Maybe players have bad games and that can be it. Arter is a half decent player that may still have a part to play this season.
I also believe AK had a pretty poor game, but am surprised that many still can't understand what he brings when he's on his game. It's not as if he has had a chance to really come into his own this season. If we compare with Kebano, at least AK actually scores quite often (although I admit that Kebano's been unlucky, but it's been 3 years now without him contributing much in goals or assists). AK may look poor sometimes, but he scores more than his fair share, whereas Kebano is kind of the opposite. I know what I prefer. Neither player gets a very fair chance to establish themselves though...
Agree with all this.
He was desperately poor last night but so were most others and, for me, I think he comes on late for Mitro/covers CF. Where he is a bit more free, can press from the front (like that game against QPR) and cause havoc. Playing wide doesn't suit his skill set. Yes, he has superb pace, but he doesn't have the crossing ability, the final ball or the creative intelligence to play that position. Play to his (quite considerable) strengths by playing him at CF or don't play him.
Quote from: One Martin Thomas on February 12, 2020, 10:57:34 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on February 12, 2020, 10:20:47 PM
Agree with the above and I really cannot remember cairney doing a forward pass, always backwards and sideways.
Agree !
Yes. But, presumably under instruction
Quote from: ByTheRiver on February 13, 2020, 11:18:53 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on February 13, 2020, 08:09:34 PM
I am certainly no fan of Arter, and think he has been quite poor most games this season. But reading this thread you would think that he got red carded and cost us the game. He was just one of many who didn't look up to it yesterday, no need for one of these threads against flavor of the week scape goat every time we don't win (and sometimes even when we win) in my opinion. It's Onomah one week, Ream another, or Kamara, or Knockaert, or Cav. Or Cairney. Maybe players have bad games and that can be it. Arter is a half decent player that may still have a part to play this season.
I also believe AK had a pretty poor game, but am surprised that many still can't understand what he brings when he's on his game. It's not as if he has had a chance to really come into his own this season. If we compare with Kebano, at least AK actually scores quite often (although I admit that Kebano's been unlucky, but it's been 3 years now without him contributing much in goals or assists). AK may look poor sometimes, but he scores more than his fair share, whereas Kebano is kind of the opposite. I know what I prefer. Neither player gets a very fair chance to establish themselves though...
Agree with all this.
Me also
For me both KMac and a fit Harrison Reed at DMF before Arter.
Agree AK best suited as an impact sub.
Bobby Reid's best games have been in the 10 role behind Mitro, but has only rarely been selected to play there.
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on February 12, 2020, 09:50:47 PM
Should not be starting for us unless we have injuries, both very poor tonight.
It's easy to say in hindsight, because nobody knows how anyone will play until they actually play, they may well have been great in training.
